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June 18, 2018, 02:28:24 PM
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You said ''The scientific laws are scientific facts, not scientific theories, because they have never been found to be wrong''

You are wrong. A scientific law cannot become a scientific law. You have 4 different things, fact,theory,law,hypothesis each one will feed into the others in different ways, with laws informing hypotheses and hypotheses developing laws, and everything coming together in a big amalgam to make a theory. This is also why scientists hold the term theory in such high regard.

So in fact a scientific theory holds more weight or it's more respected among scientists.

Well, if you don't even understand that we are talking from the standpoint of the fact that we don't know everything, what would even be the point of stating any of this?

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June 18, 2018, 02:35:54 PM
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You said ''The scientific laws are scientific facts, not scientific theories, because they have never been found to be wrong''

You are wrong. A scientific law cannot become a scientific law. You have 4 different things, fact,theory,law,hypothesis each one will feed into the others in different ways, with laws informing hypotheses and hypotheses developing laws, and everything coming together in a big amalgam to make a theory. This is also why scientists hold the term theory in such high regard.

So in fact a scientific theory holds more weight or it's more respected among scientists.

Well, if you don't even understand that we are talking from the standpoint of the fact that we don't know everything, what would even be the point of stating any of this?

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Huh What does that have to do with anything right now lmao. You are factually wrong stating that scientific laws are laws and not theories because they have never been found to be wrong.



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June 18, 2018, 03:05:49 PM
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You said ''The scientific laws are scientific facts, not scientific theories, because they have never been found to be wrong''

You are wrong. A scientific law cannot become a scientific law. You have 4 different things, fact,theory,law,hypothesis each one will feed into the others in different ways, with laws informing hypotheses and hypotheses developing laws, and everything coming together in a big amalgam to make a theory. This is also why scientists hold the term theory in such high regard.

So in fact a scientific theory holds more weight or it's more respected among scientists.

Well, if you don't even understand that we are talking from the standpoint of the fact that we don't know everything, what would even be the point of stating any of this?

Cool

Huh What does that have to do with anything right now lmao. You are factually wrong stating that scientific laws are laws and not theories because they have never been found to be wrong.

A simple example is that of big bang theory. One might take a bunch of factually accurate math, and combine it with the ideas about what goes on currently in the universe (some of which are probably quite accurate), and come up with the idea of a BB, that such a thing could exist, and that it might even be the way our universe came into being. Yet, there is so much "stuff" in the universe that is not explained by BB theory, that the possibility of a BB doesn't make it to have anything to do with our universe at all. The idea that BB has anything to do with our universe is based on consensus of a bunch of scientists and others, whose only reason for reaching that consensus is that they want to.

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June 18, 2018, 03:13:58 PM
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You said ''The scientific laws are scientific facts, not scientific theories, because they have never been found to be wrong''

You are wrong. A scientific law cannot become a scientific law. You have 4 different things, fact,theory,law,hypothesis each one will feed into the others in different ways, with laws informing hypotheses and hypotheses developing laws, and everything coming together in a big amalgam to make a theory. This is also why scientists hold the term theory in such high regard.

So in fact a scientific theory holds more weight or it's more respected among scientists.

Well, if you don't even understand that we are talking from the standpoint of the fact that we don't know everything, what would even be the point of stating any of this?

Cool

Huh What does that have to do with anything right now lmao. You are factually wrong stating that scientific laws are laws and not theories because they have never been found to be wrong.

A simple example is that of big bang theory. One might take a bunch of factually accurate math, and combine it with the ideas about what goes on currently in the universe (some of which are probably quite accurate), and come up with the idea of a BB, that such a thing could exist, and that it might even be the way our universe came into being. Yet, there is so much "stuff" in the universe that is not explained by BB theory, that the possibility of a BB doesn't make it to have anything to do with our universe at all. The idea that BB has anything to do with our universe is based on consensus of a bunch of scientists and others, whose only reason for reaching that consensus is that they want to.

Cool

''simple example'' First of all the big bang theory does have a few competing theories, unlike evolution theory which really doesn't. Second of all the big bang is not just a bunch of accurate math, it's far more than that-

''As for the Big Bang, like most theories within cosmology, it is derived from extrapolation, projection and conjecture. It represents the conjecture that if you reverse the expanding universe, then you get a shrinking universe and that if you extrapolate that shrinking universe long enough, you get a recombination of everything into one small entity - called a singularity.''

''Once we made that assumption, we looked for evidence or confirmation that it did or could have happened…and we found it, we think. If it happened the way we think it did, then it would have produced something like the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR)…and we found it. There are other math and empirical indicators also.''

But all of this has nothing to do with the fact that you were wrong, you were wrong about the definition of a scientific theory and also the difference between a scientific theory and a law, you were also wrong about entropy thinking that it disproves evolution. As you can see, you are wrong about a lot of things, factually, of course Smiley



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June 18, 2018, 03:16:20 PM
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Evolution cannot explain the complex designs that the universe displays. Humans and animals will generally remain the way they are. They are not evolving into something else.
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June 18, 2018, 03:22:23 PM
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Evolution cannot explain the complex designs that the universe displays. Humans and animals will generally remain the way they are. They are not evolving into something else.

What complex designs? How do you know they are ''designs'' ?



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June 18, 2018, 03:42:59 PM
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''simple example'' First of all the big bang theory does have a few competing theories, unlike evolution theory which really doesn't. Second of all the big bang is not just a bunch of accurate math, it's far more than that-

''As for the Big Bang, like most theories within cosmology, it is derived from extrapolation, projection and conjecture. It represents the conjecture that if you reverse the expanding universe, then you get a shrinking universe and that if you extrapolate that shrinking universe long enough, you get a recombination of everything into one small entity - called a singularity.''

''Once we made that assumption, we looked for evidence or confirmation that it did or could have happened…and we found it, we think. If it happened the way we think it did, then it would have produced something like the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR)…and we found it. There are other math and empirical indicators also.''

But all of this has nothing to do with the fact that you were wrong, you were wrong about the definition of a scientific theory and also the difference between a scientific theory and a law, you were also wrong about entropy thinking that it disproves evolution. As you can see, you are wrong about a lot of things, factually, of course Smiley

Are we not all mistaken in many things? That someone would use extrapolation to think that evolution is real, when there is no example of evolution having ever been found, shows how deep mistakes run.

I am not mistaken about scientific theory. Simply the fact that scientific theory includes the idea of constant changeability of scientific theories shows that scientific theories are, beyond a shadow of a doubt, simply theories... if even that much.

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''simple example'' First of all the big bang theory does have a few competing theories, unlike evolution theory which really doesn't. Second of all the big bang is not just a bunch of accurate math, it's far more than that-

''As for the Big Bang, like most theories within cosmology, it is derived from extrapolation, projection and conjecture. It represents the conjecture that if you reverse the expanding universe, then you get a shrinking universe and that if you extrapolate that shrinking universe long enough, you get a recombination of everything into one small entity - called a singularity.''

''Once we made that assumption, we looked for evidence or confirmation that it did or could have happened…and we found it, we think. If it happened the way we think it did, then it would have produced something like the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR)…and we found it. There are other math and empirical indicators also.''

But all of this has nothing to do with the fact that you were wrong, you were wrong about the definition of a scientific theory and also the difference between a scientific theory and a law, you were also wrong about entropy thinking that it disproves evolution. As you can see, you are wrong about a lot of things, factually, of course Smiley

Are we not all mistaken in many things? That someone would use extrapolation to think that evolution is real, when there is no example of evolution having ever been found, shows how deep mistakes run.

I am not mistaken about scientific theory. Simply the fact that scientific theory includes the idea of constant changeability of scientific theories shows that scientific theories are, beyond a shadow of a doubt, simply theories... if even that much.

Cool

What would be a ''real'' example of evolution exactly?
http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-evolution.html
https://www.wired.com/2008/12/evolutionexampl/

You can find thousands.


I'm sure you believe in gravity because I have seen you defend it, isn't gravity just a theory? What you seem to not understand is that a scientific theory, although it can be changed, it's the best explanation we have at the time of a certain phenomena, in this case evolution.



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June 18, 2018, 04:01:32 PM
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''simple example'' First of all the big bang theory does have a few competing theories, unlike evolution theory which really doesn't. Second of all the big bang is not just a bunch of accurate math, it's far more than that-

''As for the Big Bang, like most theories within cosmology, it is derived from extrapolation, projection and conjecture. It represents the conjecture that if you reverse the expanding universe, then you get a shrinking universe and that if you extrapolate that shrinking universe long enough, you get a recombination of everything into one small entity - called a singularity.''

''Once we made that assumption, we looked for evidence or confirmation that it did or could have happened…and we found it, we think. If it happened the way we think it did, then it would have produced something like the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR)…and we found it. There are other math and empirical indicators also.''

But all of this has nothing to do with the fact that you were wrong, you were wrong about the definition of a scientific theory and also the difference between a scientific theory and a law, you were also wrong about entropy thinking that it disproves evolution. As you can see, you are wrong about a lot of things, factually, of course Smiley

Are we not all mistaken in many things? That someone would use extrapolation to think that evolution is real, when there is no example of evolution having ever been found, shows how deep mistakes run.

I am not mistaken about scientific theory. Simply the fact that scientific theory includes the idea of constant changeability of scientific theories shows that scientific theories are, beyond a shadow of a doubt, simply theories... if even that much.

Cool

What would be a ''real'' example of evolution exactly?
http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-evolution.html
https://www.wired.com/2008/12/evolutionexampl/

You can find thousands.


I'm sure you believe in gravity because I have seen you defend it, isn't gravity just a theory? What you seem to not understand is that a scientific theory, although it can be changed, it's the best explanation we have at the time of a certain phenomena, in this case evolution.


Those examples of evolution are adaptation according to evolution as simple change, not evolution that fits evolution theory.

I don't believe in gravity. Rather, I know that it exists because I use it all the time, have always used it, have never seen an example of it not working, have never heard of an example of it not working, etc.

Why gravity works is explained by theory in its lesser form, called scientific theory. You are an example of why scientific theory is weaker than theory. Simple theory is known to be theoretical. Scientific theory is suggested to be truth at times simply because a bunch of people feel like it is truth.

This means that theory express honesty - we don't know for sure - while you never know if scientific theory is being honest or not, especially if it expresses that the thing that it says is the truth.

Wouldn't you rather have honesty than delusion?

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June 18, 2018, 04:15:24 PM
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''simple example'' First of all the big bang theory does have a few competing theories, unlike evolution theory which really doesn't. Second of all the big bang is not just a bunch of accurate math, it's far more than that-

''As for the Big Bang, like most theories within cosmology, it is derived from extrapolation, projection and conjecture. It represents the conjecture that if you reverse the expanding universe, then you get a shrinking universe and that if you extrapolate that shrinking universe long enough, you get a recombination of everything into one small entity - called a singularity.''

''Once we made that assumption, we looked for evidence or confirmation that it did or could have happened…and we found it, we think. If it happened the way we think it did, then it would have produced something like the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR)…and we found it. There are other math and empirical indicators also.''

But all of this has nothing to do with the fact that you were wrong, you were wrong about the definition of a scientific theory and also the difference between a scientific theory and a law, you were also wrong about entropy thinking that it disproves evolution. As you can see, you are wrong about a lot of things, factually, of course Smiley

Are we not all mistaken in many things? That someone would use extrapolation to think that evolution is real, when there is no example of evolution having ever been found, shows how deep mistakes run.

I am not mistaken about scientific theory. Simply the fact that scientific theory includes the idea of constant changeability of scientific theories shows that scientific theories are, beyond a shadow of a doubt, simply theories... if even that much.

Cool

What would be a ''real'' example of evolution exactly?
http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-evolution.html
https://www.wired.com/2008/12/evolutionexampl/

You can find thousands.


I'm sure you believe in gravity because I have seen you defend it, isn't gravity just a theory? What you seem to not understand is that a scientific theory, although it can be changed, it's the best explanation we have at the time of a certain phenomena, in this case evolution.


Those examples of evolution are adaptation according to evolution as simple change, not evolution that fits evolution theory.

I don't believe in gravity. Rather, I know that it exists because I use it all the time, have always used it, have never seen an example of it not working, have never heard of an example of it not working, etc.

Why gravity works is explained by theory in its lesser form, called scientific theory. You are an example of why scientific theory is weaker than theory. Simple theory is known to be theoretical. Scientific theory is suggested to be truth at times simply because a bunch of people feel like it is truth.

This means that theory express honesty - we don't know for sure - while you never know if scientific theory is being honest or not, especially if it expresses that the thing that it says is the truth.

Wouldn't you rather have honesty than delusion?

Cool

Evolution is happening all around you all the time, it always has, I have never seen an example of an instantaneous animal creation, they all evolve, they don't just pop into existence like the bible claims. So I don't believe in evolution, I know it exists.

''Those examples of evolution are adaptation according to evolution as simple change, not evolution that fits evolution theory.'' That's a claim without anything to back it up.



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June 18, 2018, 04:29:43 PM
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Evolution is happening all around you all the time, it always has, I have never seen an example of an instantaneous animal creation, they all evolve, they don't just pop into existence like the bible claims. So I don't believe in evolution, I know it exists.

''Those examples of evolution are adaptation according to evolution as simple change, not evolution that fits evolution theory.'' That's a claim without anything to back it up.

Evolution in the form of simple change happens all the time.

Evolution according to evolution theory has never been factually seen. In addition, simple searches of the Internet show many reasons why it is impossible. The so-called debunking of these impossibilities are full of way more flaws than evolution theory alone.

Bible doesn't claim anything just popped into existence.

Adaptation is found all over the place. A simple example is diseases becoming medicine resistant. But there is not even one factual sighting of evolution theory evolution.

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June 18, 2018, 05:15:34 PM
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Evolution is happening all around you all the time, it always has, I have never seen an example of an instantaneous animal creation, they all evolve, they don't just pop into existence like the bible claims. So I don't believe in evolution, I know it exists.

''Those examples of evolution are adaptation according to evolution as simple change, not evolution that fits evolution theory.'' That's a claim without anything to back it up.

Evolution in the form of simple change happens all the time.

Evolution according to evolution theory has never been factually seen. In addition, simple searches of the Internet show many reasons why it is impossible. The so-called debunking of these impossibilities are full of way more flaws than evolution theory alone.

Bible doesn't claim anything just popped into existence.

Adaptation is found all over the place. A simple example is diseases becoming medicine resistant. But there is not even one factual sighting of evolution theory evolution.

Cool

''Bible doesn't claim anything just popped into existence.'' Yes it does, the bible clearly states how god made the earth and stars and animals instantly because he wanted, so yes, animals popped into existence. As I said I haven't seen an example of that yet, do you have one?



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June 18, 2018, 08:50:26 PM
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Evolution is happening all around you all the time, it always has, I have never seen an example of an instantaneous animal creation, they all evolve, they don't just pop into existence like the bible claims. So I don't believe in evolution, I know it exists.

''Those examples of evolution are adaptation according to evolution as simple change, not evolution that fits evolution theory.'' That's a claim without anything to back it up.

Evolution in the form of simple change happens all the time.

Evolution according to evolution theory has never been factually seen. In addition, simple searches of the Internet show many reasons why it is impossible. The so-called debunking of these impossibilities are full of way more flaws than evolution theory alone.

Bible doesn't claim anything just popped into existence.

Adaptation is found all over the place. A simple example is diseases becoming medicine resistant. But there is not even one factual sighting of evolution theory evolution.

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''Bible doesn't claim anything just popped into existence.'' Yes it does, the bible clearly states how god made the earth and stars and animals instantly because he wanted, so yes, animals popped into existence. As I said I haven't seen an example of that yet, do you have one?

Making things in a day or a week like the Bible says, isn't popping them into existence. You are trying to mix the Bible up with big bang.

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Evolution is happening all around you all the time, it always has, I have never seen an example of an instantaneous animal creation, they all evolve, they don't just pop into existence like the bible claims. So I don't believe in evolution, I know it exists.

''Those examples of evolution are adaptation according to evolution as simple change, not evolution that fits evolution theory.'' That's a claim without anything to back it up.

Evolution in the form of simple change happens all the time.

Evolution according to evolution theory has never been factually seen. In addition, simple searches of the Internet show many reasons why it is impossible. The so-called debunking of these impossibilities are full of way more flaws than evolution theory alone.

Bible doesn't claim anything just popped into existence.

Adaptation is found all over the place. A simple example is diseases becoming medicine resistant. But there is not even one factual sighting of evolution theory evolution.

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''Bible doesn't claim anything just popped into existence.'' Yes it does, the bible clearly states how god made the earth and stars and animals instantly because he wanted, so yes, animals popped into existence. As I said I haven't seen an example of that yet, do you have one?

Making things in a day or a week like the Bible says, isn't popping them into existence. You are trying to mix the Bible up with big bang.

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Oh really? God made the stars in 1 day, how did he do it? Basically popped them into existence from nothing, just like he created the universe as you claim, again from nothing, give me a break with your science fiction.



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June 18, 2018, 10:24:12 PM
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I think evolution is quite real and rather scientifically correct but there are still a lot of open questions.
There is no link between the earth monkey and the modern homo sapiens what scientifically tells us that something in our history is seriously missing.
My "wild" theory is that the earth has been colonated from the stars and the real genetic lineage of man through evolution can be found on another planet some lightyears away.
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June 19, 2018, 02:41:03 AM
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^^^ The first and most important question is, where is at least one example of evolution. All supposed examples of evolution fit adaptation or something else better. All we have is ideas and talk. Not even one factual evolution event has been found.

Evolution is a hoax.

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June 19, 2018, 02:45:59 AM
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Oh really? God made the stars in 1 day, how did he do it? Basically popped them into existence from nothing, just like he created the universe as you claim, again from nothing, give me a break with your science fiction.

If we knew how God did it, we would be like the angels.

Since you are the one who says the popping thing, maybe you should pop yourself up some popcorn. God didn't pop anything into existence. He simply created them rapidly, piece by piece. Read the 6 days of creation in the Bible.

Why do you resist the idea of things coming into being from nothing? Even big bang suggests things popping into existence from nothing - we don't know what nothing is made up of.

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The programming for all of the physical, and many of the mental processes, is found in the DNA. But the forms of DNA programming that would constitute evolution have never been found.

Copy a tape a million times and you will only find devolution... never evolution.

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You do realize that there is no evolution gene? Evolution is changes, any changes, which happens every single day in millions of species offspring’s. And there is no such thing as devolution. The usability of any evolution (any change) is in the view of the beholder – or rather its accepters and usability in the given community a species live in. Maybe more short said, the edge it gives in the mating game.

So a tape copied a million time is not devolution, it is evolution. You may not like how the new song turned out, but others may. If enough to make platinum, it essentially won the mating game. Evolution in progress. For every time a change sticks to a species for good, another 10000 did not.

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June 19, 2018, 10:23:14 AM
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Oh really? God made the stars in 1 day, how did he do it? Basically popped them into existence from nothing, just like he created the universe as you claim, again from nothing, give me a break with your science fiction.

If we knew how God did it, we would be like the angels.

Since you are the one who says the popping thing, maybe you should pop yourself up some popcorn. God didn't pop anything into existence. He simply created them rapidly, piece by piece. Read the 6 days of creation in the Bible.

Why do you resist the idea of things coming into being from nothing? Even big bang suggests things popping into existence from nothing - we don't know what nothing is made up of.

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So, as I said, popping them into existence, we have yet to find an animal just popping into existence, we should find plenty of examples like that if creation was true.
https://youtu.be/lIEoO5KdPvg

Very easy video explaining the evolution of whales, something that shouldn't happen if god created everything, all the animals should be different and not related in time.



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Oh really? God made the stars in 1 day, how did he do it? Basically popped them into existence from nothing, just like he created the universe as you claim, again from nothing, give me a break with your science fiction.

If we knew how God did it, we would be like the angels.

Since you are the one who says the popping thing, maybe you should pop yourself up some popcorn. God didn't pop anything into existence. He simply created them rapidly, piece by piece. Read the 6 days of creation in the Bible.

Why do you resist the idea of things coming into being from nothing? Even big bang suggests things popping into existence from nothing - we don't know what nothing is made up of.

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we don't know what nothing is made up of. < fairy tales

I think your brains have popped .
We evolve from a sperm cell into a human   BUT  i still thinks your a sperm cell..
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