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August 24, 2018, 06:22:57 PM
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Here is the issue with your arguments, badecker, are you a god? How is it that you always know better than top scientists in their fields? Because you always seem to know the answer to questions that thousands of scientists haven't been able to respond for decades. Right now radioactive decay is defined as a ''stochastic (i.e. random) process at the level of a singular quantum of single atoms, in that, according to quantum theory, it is impossible to predict when a particular atom will decay'' This is what the quantum theory says right now, you claim to know somehow that it's not true. How? Are you god?

Yep, I'm a god. Jesus said in John 10:34-36:
34Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ’? 35If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
Since the Word of God has come to me in more ways than one, I am a god. Why do you attempt to throw away the small amount of "Godness" you have left?

Actually, the scientists have responded for decades, now. The impossibility of evolution has been known for a long time. The improbability of evolution was known long before that. Many scientists have responded in this way for a long time. But those who don't are simply denying their scientist nature in themsleves.

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You have no evidence for your claims, Quantum theory states the processes are random. Not to be confused with ''causeless'' They have a cause but the outcome is unpredictable, so C&E doesn't affect the random part here. You can type as much as you want but 0 evidence.



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August 25, 2018, 01:32:50 AM
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Actually, the scientists have responded for decades, now. The impossibility of evolution has been known for a long time. The improbability of evolution was known long before that. Many scientists have responded in this way for a long time. But those who don't are simply denying their scientist nature in themsleves.

In reality, 97% of scientists believe in evolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution

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The level of support for evolution among scientists, the public and other groups is a topic that frequently arises in the creation-evolution controversy and touches on educational, religious, philosophical, scientific and political issues. The subject is especially contentious in countries where significant levels of non-acceptance of evolution by general society exist although evolution is taught at school and university.

Nearly all (around 97%) of the scientific community accepts evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological diversity.[1][2] Scientific associations have strongly rebutted and refuted the challenges to evolution proposed by intelligent design proponents.[3]

There are religious sects and denominations in several countries for whom the theory of evolution is in conflict with creationism that is central to their beliefs, and who therefore reject it: in the United States,[4][5][6][7][8][9] South Africa,[10] India, South Korea, Singapore, the Philippines, and Brazil, with smaller followings in the United Kingdom, the Republic of Ireland, the Netherlands, Japan, Italy, Germany, Israel,[11] Australia,[12] New Zealand,[13] and Canada.[14]

Several publications discuss the subject of acceptance,[15][16] including a document produced by the United States National Academy of Sciences.[17]

17 citations for just the opening section... that's enough sources even for BADLogic, right?
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August 25, 2018, 02:32:00 AM
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In reality, 97% of scientists believe in evolution


Actually, this is almost exactly what I have been talking about.

When you believe something, you trust that it is true. If you knew that it were true, you wouldn't have to trust. You wouldn't have to believe.

Your "97% of scientists" have a religion going for themselves in evolution... because they believe rather than know. If they knew, they would have proof, one way or another. Since they don't have proof for evolution, all they can do is believe... if they want to.

If the dean of your college/university, and the president/CEO of your company, lets you know that you will be fired if you prove that evolution is false, most folks would rather keep their job... even scientists. What they believe is not known. What they express might be known. The polls can twist things all out of shape to produce the desired results of the pollsters.

Are you getting the point, yet? All you are saying is that promoting evolution as a fact when it is not known to be a fact is simply adding fuel to the fact that...

Evolution is a hoax.

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August 25, 2018, 02:48:55 AM
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You have no evidence for your claims, Quantum theory states the processes are random. Not to be confused with ''causeless'' They have a cause but the outcome is unpredictable, so C&E doesn't affect the random part here. You can type as much as you want but 0 evidence.

Who needs evidence for facts?

Thank you for backing me up. Evolution is a theory - not known to be factual, but believed to be by many - just as Quantum Theory is not known to be fact.

Science theories come and go and are changed on a daily basis. Why? Because they are known to be fact? Wake up! Scientific theories are the guesstimations that lead toward facts... hopefully. Evolution theory is one of them that should have been dropped as theory long ago, because it is so ridiculous.

Brian Cox explains quantum mechanics in 60 seconds - BBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcfQkxwz4Oo


But... what are we talking about in this thread? Quantum theory or evolution theory? Loads of websites will tell you that there are random mutations and non-random mutations in evolution. What is the difference between random and non-random? Isn't it the same as caused and causeless?

There is no proof of pure random, just as there is no proof of evolution. As cause and effect is observable in countless operations, even so adaptation and like-begets-like is observable in countless operations. Where is the proof that anything is evolution? There isn't any. But stating that there is when there isn't, simply shows that...

Evolution is a hoax.

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August 25, 2018, 02:52:53 AM
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cats will still be cats and cats will not change shape or evolve, cats will still be cats

Would a picture help?



That's what you call breeding, even if it is done by nature.

Evolution is a hoax.

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August 25, 2018, 03:02:43 AM
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It’s much like the same situation humans are in with artificial intelligence, and the doomsdays scenarios we create around this. Once intelligence or rather awareness, free will maybe, is acquired, the creator is out of the loop. You are no more in control of the programming. Programming is neither a roadmap nor hinderers for randomness. You cannot predict combinations or patterns, as your creation has free will to do what it likes. Randomness multiply in the trillions each second, even if it is at the very bottom is programmable bits and bytes that decide for you. Too many options, under too many different circumstances, with too many individuals making decisions – well is that not actually random?


Actually, if an electron bumped the next electron a little to the left of where it bumped it, the second would bump the third a little differently. but the reason the first bumped exactly where it did was, it was bumped in exactly the way it was bumped. If it was bumped differently, then it would bump differently.

We see nothing else in nature or the universe. Cause and effect act exactly as they were programmed to act - EXACTLY - with nothing (like random) making a difference in the way they acted. The whole thing was programmed.

Why do you think that some tremendous numbers of cause and effect are too many to keep them from being pure random? Just because computer programmers work like crazy to make computer programs work right, why do you think that there can't be an Intelligence that is farther above us than we are above a microbe? Just because you feel like thinking that way?

Everything is programmed. Since this is against evolution theory...

Evolution is a hoax.

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You have no evidence for your claims, Quantum theory states the processes are random. Not to be confused with ''causeless'' They have a cause but the outcome is unpredictable, so C&E doesn't affect the random part here. You can type as much as you want but 0 evidence.

Who needs evidence for facts?

Thank you for backing me up. Evolution is a theory - not known to be factual, but believed to be by many - just as Quantum Theory is not known to be fact.

Science theories come and go and are changed on a daily basis. Why? Because they are known to be fact? Wake up! Scientific theories are the guesstimations that lead toward facts... hopefully. Evolution theory is one of them that should have been dropped as theory long ago, because it is so ridiculous.

Brian Cox explains quantum mechanics in 60 seconds - BBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcfQkxwz4Oo


But... what are we talking about in this thread? Quantum theory or evolution theory? Loads of websites will tell you that there are random mutations and non-random mutations in evolution. What is the difference between random and non-random? Isn't it the same as caused and causeless?

There is no proof of pure random, just as there is no proof of evolution. As cause and effect is observable in countless operations, even so adaptation and like-begets-like is observable in countless operations. Where is the proof that anything is evolution? There isn't any. But stating that there is when there isn't, simply shows that...

Evolution is a hoax.

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''There is no proof of pure random, just as there is no proof of evolution.'' Claiming there is no proof for quantum theory or evolution theory shows how you argue. I give you evidence and facts, you argue with feelings and beliefs, even quoting the bible. If you think you are smarter than all scientists, go ahead and prove them all wrong, no point in arguing any further.



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August 25, 2018, 12:15:24 PM
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''There is no proof of pure random, just as there is no proof of evolution.'' Claiming there is no proof for quantum theory or evolution theory shows how you argue. I give you evidence and facts, you argue with feelings and beliefs, even quoting the bible. If you think you are smarter than all scientists, go ahead and prove them all wrong, no point in arguing any further.

I don't see any point debating someone who is closed minded and simply makes up nonsense... I'm surprised anyone posts in this thread besides BADLogic

Just block/ignore him and move on with your life like the rest of us
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August 25, 2018, 12:31:57 PM
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''There is no proof of pure random, just as there is no proof of evolution.'' Claiming there is no proof for quantum theory or evolution theory shows how you argue. I give you evidence and facts, you argue with feelings and beliefs, even quoting the bible. If you think you are smarter than all scientists, go ahead and prove them all wrong, no point in arguing any further.

I don't see any point debating someone who is closed minded and simply makes up nonsense... I'm surprised anyone posts in this thread besides BADLogic

Just block/ignore him and move on with your life like the rest of us

I wouldn't mind debating someone who is closed minded if he wasn't making up shit constantly. Badecker simply wants us to throw out the window almost all scientific theories because he says so. Fuck quantum physics, fuck evolution theory, C&E means we are programmed but somehow science hasn't realized this yet, don't worry, badecker knows better. Entropy? After explaining how entropy does not violate evolution theory, do you think badecker accepted defeat? Of course not, he keeps rambling about the same plain wrong argument. I guess he thinks all scientists that have worked and accepted evolution missed that evolution can't exist with entropy or something. No, badecker, they didn't miss it, they know entropy does not make evolution impossible just like your other arguments which were also debunked several times. Yelling adaption like a lunatic isn't an argument, adaption is part of evolution and when that adaption is passed onto future generations, that specific animal/specie is evolving, it's truly a simple concept deep down and yet you don't seem to be able to grasp it.



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August 25, 2018, 12:40:11 PM
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August 25, 2018, 03:22:39 PM
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''There is no proof of pure random, just as there is no proof of evolution.'' Claiming there is no proof for quantum theory or evolution theory shows how you argue. I give you evidence and facts, you argue with feelings and beliefs, even quoting the bible. If you think you are smarter than all scientists, go ahead and prove them all wrong, no point in arguing any further.

What are you saying? The theories certainly exist. The point isn't the existence of the theories. Copies of the theories exist all over the place.

The point is that the main hypotheses that the theories are trying to explain, are the things that nobody knows factually exist. And comparing the factualness of QT with factualness of ET is like comparing apples and mountains. They can't be compared in the same way, because they are extremely different.

A simple example is the difference between gravity and gravity theory. Everybody knows that gravity exists, because we all use it every day. So, gravity theory is not trying to explain the existence of gravity. Rather, gravity theory is trying to explain how gravity works. Nobody knows that gravity theory is explaining it right. But the existence of gravity, itself, is obvious. The existence of gravity theory is obvious. But how factual gravity theory is, is unknown.

The difference with evolution is that nobody knows that evolution exists. Why not? Because, unlike gravity which is in use all over by average people every day, we don't know by simple observation if we are seeing evolution or not. The things we can easily see are that adaptation and like-begets-like exist all over the place.

Evolution theory exists. But unlike gravity theory explaining gravity, evolution theory has to explain that evolution exists. Gravity theory doesn't have to explain that gravity exists because gravity is obvious. Evolution isn't obvious because the things that might suggest that evolution is obvious are explained much better and easier by adaptation and like-begets-like. So far, nothing has proven that evolution is factual.


In police forensics, police use science to prove this or that about a crime. The police forensics scientist gets on the stand and swears that something happened factually, because forensics science facts are real. Nobody gets on the stand and testifies that the things of evolution are fact in an evolution way, because nobody knows that evolution exists. If they get on the stand and say that according to evolution theory such and such are evolution facts, all they are doing is stating that such and such may be changed right along with evolution theory... possibly in the next minute, if evolution theory changes then. Forensics is real fact; evolution is not.

What is evolution like? It is like religion. A Bible scholar might get on the stand and say that something is for-a-fact recorded in the Bible. But unless there is corroborating evidence in the real world, he doesn't say that this "something" is a fact that makes the Bible factually real.

Same with evolution. An evolution scientist might get on the stand and say that something is for-a-fact written in evolution theory. But unless there is corroborating evidence in the real world, he doesn't say that this "something" is a fact that makes evolution factually real. Why not? Two reasons. One, there are too many unknowns regarding whether it is evolution, or adaptation or like-begets-like. Two, there are too many basic things like cause and effect, which totally eliminate the possibility of evolution according to any evolution theory we can dream up.


In other words, you don't have any facts that evolution is real. And since there are facts that show that it can't be real, those who promote evolution are at the best, misguided, but at the worst, hoaxers.

Evolution is a hoax.

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August 25, 2018, 03:39:39 PM
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I wouldn't mind debating someone who is closed minded if he wasn't making up shit constantly. Badecker simply wants us to throw out the window almost all scientific theories because he says so. Fuck quantum physics, fuck evolution theory, C&E means we are programmed but somehow science hasn't realized this yet, don't worry, badecker knows better. Entropy? After explaining how entropy does not violate evolution theory, do you think badecker accepted defeat? Of course not, he keeps rambling about the same plain wrong argument. I guess he thinks all scientists that have worked and accepted evolution missed that evolution can't exist with entropy or something. No, badecker, they didn't miss it, they know entropy does not make evolution impossible just like your other arguments which were also debunked several times. Yelling adaption like a lunatic isn't an argument, adaption is part of evolution and when that adaption is passed onto future generations, that specific animal/specie is evolving, it's truly a simple concept deep down and yet you don't seem to be able to grasp it.

Why do you think that I want to throw theories out? Since evolution is proven to not exist, its theory is proven ridiculous.

Somehow you want to drop the idea of C&E, just to let impossible evolution exist. Even evolution theory doesn't do that.

Entropy is in existence all around us. It is obvious. Thinking that it is not, is simply denying reality. Entropy has to do with devolution, not evolution.

In theory, adaptation might be part of evolution. But the whole point is, can evolution be a part of adaptation. Why? Because adaptation is obvious, but evolution isn't.

The simplicity of the evolution idea isn't what makes it real. What would make it real would be some proof for evolution found in the things that are real. So far, no proof... just a bunch of "yelling" that evolution is real.

Did you never see a scientist, or a group of scientists, that made one or more mistakes? You can find hundreds of them simply regarding evolution over the last hundred years. At the same time, there were many other scientists that recognized the mistakes, almost immediately. That's why the mistakes were found out, and those mistaken scientists put to shame.

It's time to put the whole idea of evolution to bed. There isn't any ETE. It's been proven wrong and impossible so many times that anybody who looks can easily see that it doesn't exist.

Now, I know it is difficult for anybody to put down his pet religion. But state evolution as it is (if you are honest), a religion. Why continue to distract people with evolution foolishness? Rather, find out what the truth really is.

Evolution is a hoax.

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August 25, 2018, 06:09:19 PM
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I wouldn't mind debating someone who is closed minded if he wasn't making up shit constantly. Badecker simply wants us to throw out the window almost all scientific theories because he says so. Fuck quantum physics, fuck evolution theory, C&E means we are programmed but somehow science hasn't realized this yet, don't worry, badecker knows better. Entropy? After explaining how entropy does not violate evolution theory, do you think badecker accepted defeat? Of course not, he keeps rambling about the same plain wrong argument. I guess he thinks all scientists that have worked and accepted evolution missed that evolution can't exist with entropy or something. No, badecker, they didn't miss it, they know entropy does not make evolution impossible just like your other arguments which were also debunked several times. Yelling adaption like a lunatic isn't an argument, adaption is part of evolution and when that adaption is passed onto future generations, that specific animal/specie is evolving, it's truly a simple concept deep down and yet you don't seem to be able to grasp it.

Why do you think that I want to throw theories out? Since evolution is proven to not exist, its theory is proven ridiculous.

Somehow you want to drop the idea of C&E, just to let impossible evolution exist. Even evolution theory doesn't do that.

Entropy is in existence all around us. It is obvious. Thinking that it is not, is simply denying reality. Entropy has to do with devolution, not evolution.

In theory, adaptation might be part of evolution. But the whole point is, can evolution be a part of adaptation. Why? Because adaptation is obvious, but evolution isn't.

The simplicity of the evolution idea isn't what makes it real. What would make it real would be some proof for evolution found in the things that are real. So far, no proof... just a bunch of "yelling" that evolution is real.

Did you never see a scientist, or a group of scientists, that made one or more mistakes? You can find hundreds of them simply regarding evolution over the last hundred years. At the same time, there were many other scientists that recognized the mistakes, almost immediately. That's why the mistakes were found out, and those mistaken scientists put to shame.

It's time to put the whole idea of evolution to bed. There isn't any ETE. It's been proven wrong and impossible so many times that anybody who looks can easily see that it doesn't exist.

Now, I know it is difficult for anybody to put down his pet religion. But state evolution as it is (if you are honest), a religion. Why continue to distract people with evolution foolishness? Rather, find out what the truth really is.

Evolution is a hoax.

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''What would make it real would be some proof for evolution found in the things that are real. So far, no proof... just a bunch of "yelling" that evolution is real.'' I gave you proof of what you asked but you always go to another argument when confronted with the truth. What would be enough evidence for you, badecker? Just tell me and I will provide it.



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August 25, 2018, 09:02:16 PM
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''What would make it real would be some proof for evolution found in the things that are real. So far, no proof... just a bunch of "yelling" that evolution is real.'' I gave you proof of what you asked but you always go to another argument when confronted with the truth. What would be enough evidence for you, badecker? Just tell me and I will provide it.

All you gave me is the same old blab that can't be confirmed as truth or fact. What everybody is looking for is evolution proof that is not adaptation or like-begets like.

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August 25, 2018, 09:06:33 PM
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''What would make it real would be some proof for evolution found in the things that are real. So far, no proof... just a bunch of "yelling" that evolution is real.'' I gave you proof of what you asked but you always go to another argument when confronted with the truth. What would be enough evidence for you, badecker? Just tell me and I will provide it.

All you gave me is the same old blab that can't be confirmed as truth or fact. What everybody is looking for is evolution proof that is not adaptation or like-begets like.

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Tell me precisely what you would consider evidence for evolution and I will provide it, but don't puss out like you always do, don't ignore the evidence.



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August 25, 2018, 09:19:45 PM
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''What would make it real would be some proof for evolution found in the things that are real. So far, no proof... just a bunch of "yelling" that evolution is real.'' I gave you proof of what you asked but you always go to another argument when confronted with the truth. What would be enough evidence for you, badecker? Just tell me and I will provide it.

All you gave me is the same old blab that can't be confirmed as truth or fact. What everybody is looking for is evolution proof that is not adaptation or like-begets like.

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Tell me precisely what you would consider evidence for evolution and I will provide it, but don't puss out like you always do, don't ignore the evidence.

As so often, you quote it but then ask it again. Your problem seems to be that you can't read. Or do you have ADHD, and you forgot your Ritalin?

Actually it doesn't matter what I think. The scientific community by maintaining evolution in theory form shows that they don't know it is fact. Actually, evolution theory is so weak that it doesn't deserve to even be considered a theory.

The only science besides science fiction that is in ETE is, political science. This is where a bunch of ignorant people or trolls think that they can make a physical science form exist by blabbing about it a lot.

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''What would make it real would be some proof for evolution found in the things that are real. So far, no proof... just a bunch of "yelling" that evolution is real.'' I gave you proof of what you asked but you always go to another argument when confronted with the truth. What would be enough evidence for you, badecker? Just tell me and I will provide it.

All you gave me is the same old blab that can't be confirmed as truth or fact. What everybody is looking for is evolution proof that is not adaptation or like-begets like.

Cool

Tell me precisely what you would consider evidence for evolution and I will provide it, but don't puss out like you always do, don't ignore the evidence.

As so often, you quote it but then ask it again. Your problem seems to be that you can't read. Or do you have ADHD, and you forgot your Ritalin?

Actually it doesn't matter what I think. The scientific community by maintaining evolution in theory form shows that they don't know it is fact. Actually, evolution theory is so weak that it doesn't deserve to even be considered a theory.

The only science besides science fiction that is in ETE is, political science. This is where a bunch of ignorant people or trolls think that they can make a physical science form exist by blabbing about it a lot.

Cool

Afraid to ask for specific evidence? I see...



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August 27, 2018, 06:32:36 AM
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cats will still be cats and cats will not change shape or evolve, cats will still be cats

Would a picture help?



That's what you call breeding, even if it is done by nature.

Evolution is a hoax.

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Heh very funny. While it is indeed breeding, by nature, everybody else would simply look at this image and call this evolution. You do realize that breeding is evolution, right?  - nature or man made, does not really matter. Evolution is a fact. No getting around it!

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Actually, if an electron bumped the next electron a little to the left of where it bumped it, the second would bump the third a little differently. but the reason the first bumped exactly where it did was, it was bumped in exactly the way it was bumped. If it was bumped differently, then it would bump differently.

We see nothing else in nature or the universe. Cause and effect act exactly as they were programmed to act - EXACTLY - with nothing (like random) making a difference in the way they acted. The whole thing was programmed.

Why do you think that some tremendous numbers of cause and effect are too many to keep them from being pure random? Just because computer programmers work like crazy to make computer programs work right, why do you think that there can't be an Intelligence that is farther above us than we are above a microbe? Just because you feel like thinking that way?

Everything is programmed. Since this is against evolution theory...

Evolution is a hoax.

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BADecker you are not actually listing.

I fully agree if you bump the same electron the same way and the exact same circumstances, you will (most likely, because I really don’t know, neither do you) get the very same outcome every time. My point is circumstances are never, ever, the same! Not even in a lab, under a controlled experiment, it will be the same. All other things being equal – if you somehow could make that, time has gone by, thus nothing is ever 100% the same as last time.

What you can do is eliminate some factors that does not have influence on your given experiment, but that does not mean the experiment is 100% the same as the previous. And this is exactly what we do, whether you sit in your garage playing with switches and lightbulbs or with atoms at CERN.

It is not me that says pure random does not exist – you said it! Because it has never been observed.  I beg the difference, on two fronts – First, it is not needed, because you got enough randomness, multiplying by the second, without it – and if you can’t recreate any situation 100% again, don’t you actually have pure randomness? Second, what has never been observed in nature, or man made for that matter, is circumstances that are 100% the same as previously. So in a weird twist of fate, what has never happened in 4.5 billion years of this planet life is a situation that has occurred 100% identical, twice. Now how is that for randomness?

And for the record, I very much believe that there are far more intelligent beings in this universe, than us. The universe is a pretty big place – I would be shocked if we happened to be the top dogs in this big place. But hey I don’t really know. But apparently you do! – please share Smiley

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August 27, 2018, 09:14:17 PM
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Actually, if an electron bumped the next electron a little to the left of where it bumped it, the second would bump the third a little differently. but the reason the first bumped exactly where it did was, it was bumped in exactly the way it was bumped. If it was bumped differently, then it would bump differently.

We see nothing else in nature or the universe. Cause and effect act exactly as they were programmed to act - EXACTLY - with nothing (like random) making a difference in the way they acted. The whole thing was programmed.

Why do you think that some tremendous numbers of cause and effect are too many to keep them from being pure random? Just because computer programmers work like crazy to make computer programs work right, why do you think that there can't be an Intelligence that is farther above us than we are above a microbe? Just because you feel like thinking that way?

Everything is programmed. Since this is against evolution theory...

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

BADecker you are not actually listing.

I fully agree if you bump the same electron the same way and the exact same circumstances, you will (most likely, because I really don’t know, neither do you) get the very same outcome every time. My point is circumstances are never, ever, the same! Not even in a lab, under a controlled experiment, it will be the same. All other things being equal – if you somehow could make that, time has gone by, thus nothing is ever 100% the same as last time.

What you can do is eliminate some factors that does not have influence on your given experiment, but that does not mean the experiment is 100% the same as the previous. And this is exactly what we do, whether you sit in your garage playing with switches and lightbulbs or with atoms at CERN.

It is not me that says pure random does not exist – you said it! Because it has never been observed.  I beg the difference, on two fronts – First, it is not needed, because you got enough randomness, multiplying by the second, without it – and if you can’t recreate any situation 100% again, don’t you actually have pure randomness? Second, what has never been observed in nature, or man made for that matter, is circumstances that are 100% the same as previously. So in a weird twist of fate, what has never happened in 4.5 billion years of this planet life is a situation that has occurred 100% identical, twice. Now how is that for randomness?

And for the record, I very much believe that there are far more intelligent beings in this universe, than us. The universe is a pretty big place – I would be shocked if we happened to be the top dogs in this big place. But hey I don’t really know. But apparently you do! – please share Smiley

Nothing is programmed, Evolution is a fact!



You fully agree? Who are you agreeing with? Nobody has been talking about bumping any electrons exactly the same way twice.

The thing that is being talked about, is how one electron bumps another. The way the first electron bumps the second electron determines how the second one will act. This is a progression that goes all the way back to the beginning of the first electron being set into motion.

The way the first electron was set in motion determined how it bumped the second. And how the second was set in motion determined how it bumped the third... etc. right down to the present. If the first one had been set in motion slightly differently, it would have bumped the second one differently, etc.,... right on down to the present, and things would be different.

There is no random activity. Everything acts exactly according to the way it was caused to act by whatever caused it to act that way. That's exactly how programming works.

Because the laws of physics don't change, there is and can be no pure random. The thing that we generally call random is simply a word for our inability to see and understand the super-complex programming of the universe.

As far as there being more intelligent beings out there, anybody who can program a universe as complex as ours is, certainly has to be way more complex than we are. What are you trying to say? That you believe that God exists?

Everything is programmed. Because of this, the thing that some people call evolution is programming, not evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

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