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For the past several months, Democrats have based their "Resist 45" movement on unsubstantiated assertions that the Trump campaign coordinated with Russian intelligence officials to undermine the 2016 Presidential Election thereby 'stealing' the White House from Hillary Clinton.  Day after day we've all suffered through one anonymously sourced, "shock" story after another from the New York Times and/or The Washington Post with new allegations of the 'wrongdoing'.

But, new evidence surfacing in the Seth Rich murder investigation may just quash the "Russian hacking" conspiracy theory.  According to a new report from Fox News [4], it was former DNC staffer Seth Rich who supplied 44,000 DNC emails to WikiLeaks and not some random Russian cyber terrorist, as we've all been led to believe.

According to Fox News, though admittedly via yet another anonymous FBI source, Rich made contact with WikiLeaks through Gavin MacFadyen, an American investigative reporter and director of WikiLeaks who was living in London at the time.  According to Fox News sources, federal law enforcement investigators found 44,053 emails and 17,761 attachments sent between DNC leaders from January 2015 to May 2016 that Rich shared with WikiLeaks before he was gunned down on July 10, 2016.


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For the past several months, Democrats have based their "Resist 45" movement on unsubstantiated assertions that the Trump campaign coordinated with Russian intelligence officials to undermine the 2016 Presidential Election thereby 'stealing' the White House from Hillary Clinton.  Day after day we've all suffered through one anonymously sourced, "shock" story after another from the New York Times and/or The Washington Post with new allegations of the 'wrongdoing'.

But, new evidence surfacing in the Seth Rich murder investigation may just quash the "Russian hacking" conspiracy theory.  According to a new report from Fox News [4], it was former DNC staffer Seth Rich who supplied 44,000 DNC emails to WikiLeaks and not some random Russian cyber terrorist, as we've all been led to believe.

According to Fox News, though admittedly via yet another anonymous FBI source, Rich made contact with WikiLeaks through Gavin MacFadyen, an American investigative reporter and director of WikiLeaks who was living in London at the time.  According to Fox News sources, federal law enforcement investigators found 44,053 emails and 17,761 attachments sent between DNC leaders from January 2015 to May 2016 that Rich shared with WikiLeaks before he was gunned down on July 10, 2016.


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Kill this, less it become the phoenix that was PizzaGate.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/16/slain-dnc-staffer-had-contact-with-wikileaks-investigator-says.html

The family of the Democratic National Committee staffer who was gunned down on July 10 on a Washington, D.C., blasted reports that he was a source of emails leaked to WikiLeaks.
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Wheeler told host Sean Hannity the investigator "came across [as] very credible. When you look at that, with the totality of everything else that I found in this case, it’s very consistent for a person with my experience to begin to think, 'Well, perhaps there were some email communication between Seth and Wikileaks.'"

But a spokesman for Rich's family on Tuesday said Wheeler was not authorized to speak for the family and called assertions Seth Rich sent emails to WikiLeaks "unsubstantiated." Brad Bauman said even if purported emails were to surface, it would not necessarily mean Rich had helped WikiLeaks.

"Even if tomorrow, an email was found, it is not a high enough bar of evidence to prove any interactions as emails can be altered and we've seen that those interested in pushing conspiracies will stop at nothing to do so," Bauman said. "We are a family who is committed to facts, not fake evidence that surfaces every few months to fill the void and distract law enforcement and the general public from finding Seth's murderers."


But, unofficially a federal investigator (according to Fox) has said emails exist, but the investigation is stalled. We will see, but I'm thinking this one might be bunk. If it is true and he did get wrapped up in some shit, it will get buried in the Trumpian news cycle.



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May 17, 2017, 03:55:10 AM
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Wheeler also told Hannity point blank that the family hired him and that his source said Seth Rich was in contact with Wikileaks.

Don't let the families fear get in the way of the biggest story of the decade. Obviously the family is scared of something.
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May 17, 2017, 07:41:29 AM
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Seth Rich is just a number in the Clinton body count, which is getting bigger and bigger with every passing day. I am disappointed that even Donald Trump has failed to put an end to the mass murders and assassinations by this cartel.

 
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May 17, 2017, 10:28:17 AM
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Seth Rich is just a number in the Clinton body count, which is getting bigger and bigger with every passing day. I am disappointed that even Donald Trump has failed to put an end to the mass murders and assassinations by this cartel.
"even Donald Trump" You are too many expectations put on him. He's old and stupid man. Sure he can't do any reforms. I'm afraid that when patience he can become a victim. Too many people are dissatisfied with his actions.

 
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"Even if tomorrow, an email was found, it is not a high enough bar of evidence to prove any interactions as emails can be altered and we've seen that those interested in pushing conspiracies will stop at nothing to do so," Bauman said. "We are a family who is committed to facts, not fake evidence that surfaces every few months to fill the void and distract law enforcement and the general public from finding Seth's murderers."[/b]

But, unofficially a federal investigator (according to Fox) has said emails exist, but the investigation is stalled. We will see, but I'm thinking this one might be bunk. If it is true and he did get wrapped up in some shit, it will get buried in the Trumpian news cycle.

Emails can be altered? Bauman isn't very familiar with computer forensics. 

Buried in the Trumpian news cycle? You mean some people wouldn't like it to be proved that the LEAK was a DNC staffer who was murdered, and not Russia?

What exactly do you wish to happen on this?
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"Even if tomorrow, an email was found, it is not a high enough bar of evidence to prove any interactions as emails can be altered and we've seen that those interested in pushing conspiracies will stop at nothing to do so," Bauman said. "We are a family who is committed to facts, not fake evidence that surfaces every few months to fill the void and distract law enforcement and the general public from finding Seth's murderers."[/b]

But, unofficially a federal investigator (according to Fox) has said emails exist, but the investigation is stalled. We will see, but I'm thinking this one might be bunk. If it is true and he did get wrapped up in some shit, it will get buried in the Trumpian news cycle.

Emails can be altered? Bauman isn't very familiar with computer forensics. 

Buried in the Trumpian news cycle? You mean some people wouldn't like it to be proved that the LEAK was a DNC staffer who was murdered, and not Russia?

What exactly do you wish to happen on this?

Oh, I give few fucks. I hate that the young man perished, I hate to see anyone suffer. But maybe we have more pressing concerns at the moment, and his family is asking for privacy. Just because you ask doesn't mean you get, but respect for the dead and all that jazz. I actually think there is something to this, it just won't see the light, esp in this 'Trumpian news cycle'. Let me explain.

Go to any major new source. not the political section, the general us news. See Trump? Exactly. Jesus could return right now and I think people would still be talking about Comey.

Think of the implications. The gov killed him, that's the most obviously motivated actor. You think that's going to get resolved anytime soon? Hold your breath. Trump will be in jail before this is a msm talking point again. Much as y'all hate the msm, that's Mammon, in all its substance. More the mouthpiece of the beast, but that another convo. You can't deny Mammon, you can only adapt. We are creatures of substance. Acknowledge the world you live in, it's corrupt to shit.

Cool to be paranoid, but be real.
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"Even if tomorrow, an email was found, it is not a high enough bar of evidence to prove any interactions as emails can be altered and we've seen that those interested in pushing conspiracies will stop at nothing to do so," Bauman said. "We are a family who is committed to facts, not fake evidence that surfaces every few months to fill the void and distract law enforcement and the general public from finding Seth's murderers."[/b]

But, unofficially a federal investigator (according to Fox) has said emails exist, but the investigation is stalled. We will see, but I'm thinking this one might be bunk. If it is true and he did get wrapped up in some shit, it will get buried in the Trumpian news cycle.

Emails can be altered? Bauman isn't very familiar with computer forensics.  

Buried in the Trumpian news cycle? You mean some people wouldn't like it to be proved that the LEAK was a DNC staffer who was murdered, and not Russia?

What exactly do you wish to happen on this?

Oh, I give few fucks. I hate that the young man perished, I hate to see anyone suffer. But maybe we have more pressing concerns at the moment, and his family is asking for privacy. Just because you ask doesn't mean you get, but respect for the dead and all that jazz. I actually think there is something to this, it just won't see the light, esp in this 'Trumpian news cycle'. Let me explain.

Go to any major new source. not the political section, the general us news. See Trump? Exactly. Jesus could return right now and I think people would still be talking about Comey.

Think of the implications. The gov killed him, that's the most obviously motivated actor. You think that's going to get resolved anytime soon? Hold your breath. Trump will be in jail before this is a msm talking point again. Much as y'all hate the msm, that's Mammon, in all its substance. More the mouthpiece of the beast, but that another convo. You can't deny Mammon, you can only adapt. We are creatures of substance. Acknowledge the world you live in, it's corrupt to shit.

Cool to be paranoid, but be real.

The murders seem to swirl around the Clintons. (I'd like to blame some of them on Obama lol), but they really do seem to be around the Clintons. I think it's fair to say a lot of people would disagree with "the gov killed him," because this goes back to when Bill Clinton was president and back beyond that, to when he was Governor.

Three in one month -

http://yournewswire.com/three-anti-clinton-officials-found-dead-in-one-month/

This is all real. I'm not really sure what's going on, but it's been one of those "where there's smoke there's fire" kind of things. If Trump has kicked the Clintons out of the power systems he's done everybody a favor.

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"Even if tomorrow, an email was found, it is not a high enough bar of evidence to prove any interactions as emails can be altered and we've seen that those interested in pushing conspiracies will stop at nothing to do so," Bauman said. "We are a family who is committed to facts, not fake evidence that surfaces every few months to fill the void and distract law enforcement and the general public from finding Seth's murderers."[/b]

But, unofficially a federal investigator (according to Fox) has said emails exist, but the investigation is stalled. We will see, but I'm thinking this one might be bunk. If it is true and he did get wrapped up in some shit, it will get buried in the Trumpian news cycle.

Emails can be altered? Bauman isn't very familiar with computer forensics.  

Buried in the Trumpian news cycle? You mean some people wouldn't like it to be proved that the LEAK was a DNC staffer who was murdered, and not Russia?

What exactly do you wish to happen on this?

Oh, I give few fucks. I hate that the young man perished, I hate to see anyone suffer. But maybe we have more pressing concerns at the moment, and his family is asking for privacy. Just because you ask doesn't mean you get, but respect for the dead and all that jazz. I actually think there is something to this, it just won't see the light, esp in this 'Trumpian news cycle'. Let me explain.

Go to any major new source. not the political section, the general us news. See Trump? Exactly. Jesus could return right now and I think people would still be talking about Comey.

Think of the implications. The gov killed him, that's the most obviously motivated actor. You think that's going to get resolved anytime soon? Hold your breath. Trump will be in jail before this is a msm talking point again. Much as y'all hate the msm, that's Mammon, in all its substance. More the mouthpiece of the beast, but that another convo. You can't deny Mammon, you can only adapt. We are creatures of substance. Acknowledge the world you live in, it's corrupt to shit.

Cool to be paranoid, but be real.

The murders seem to swirl around the Clintons. (I'd like to blame some of them on Obama lol), but they really do seem to be around the Clintons. I think it's fair to say a lot of people would disagree with "the gov killed him," because this goes back to when Bill Clinton was president and back beyond that, to when he was Governor.

Three in one month -

http://yournewswire.com/three-anti-clinton-officials-found-dead-in-one-month/

This is all real. I'm not really sure what's going on, but it's been one of those "where there's smoke there's fire" kind of things. If Trump has kicked the Clintons out of the power systems he's done everybody a favor.



Alright, let's examine your article.

A fine use of rhetoric here, this is pretty clean. Let me point out some issues:

1)  Victor Thorn is the most legit claim of this article. My problems with his death; there certainly was a motive to kill him, if the Clintons are what you say, but why did they wait til his birthday, the day he would be most likely to be in contact with his social network/family, to come kill him on his mountaintop home? Operational security aside, this would be a nightmare job. To many unknown unknowns, extracting from a mountaintop could be problematic without cover, etc. The idea that he walked outside and killed himself makes alot more sense. Esp since it was his bday, statistically, would be about right.

But don't take my word for it:
http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/05/victor-thorn-death-report/

2)  Shawn Lucas was a process server in a viral video. Don't see how offing him advances the agenda. Didn't have sensitive information, wasn't connected. So, the explanation that he died from an opiod overdose (oh, and kratom, my bad I forgot), seems really plausible. Contrary to the article, most people don't voluntarily sleep on the bathroom floor when there is a bed with a girlfriend in it, so very close. Also, his death was unnecessary optics that were predictable, wouldn't have been worth the risk for this seeming non gain.

Survey says:
http://www.snopes.com/2016/11/04/dnc-lawsuit-process-server-shawn-lucas-has-died/


3)  Seth Rich, oh somebody did that shit. You don't get mugged in DC with a wallet intact. But the Clintons? I see a reach to attribute this to her. See an overzealous gov agent capping him, the FBI in the preliminary throes of its Trump investigation (becuase this was going on even before he was elected). People aren't stupid. The leak was illegal, would have been much better to make him a whipping boy. Would have painted RNC collusion against the DNC, would have sold the public on a DNC vote. And the emails/info was already passed. Killing him again didn't 'advance the agenda' so to speak.

I see an article using sourced rumors to perpetuate a long running theme: Satanic, kid fucking Clintons. I certainly believe Bill has had a few young girls, but systemic pedophilia for both him and his wife, no. Also, they are Christian. Hillary might have even been raised Evangelical, I think I read.
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....Seth Rich, oh somebody did that shit. You don't get mugged in DC with a wallet intact. But the Clintons? I see a reach to attribute this to her. See an overzealous gov agent capping him, the FBI in the preliminary throes of its Trump investigation (becuase this was going on even before he was elected). People aren't stupid. The leak was illegal, would have been much better to make him a whipping boy. Would have painted RNC collusion against the DNC, would have sold the public on a DNC vote. And the emails/info was already passed. Killing him again didn't 'advance the agenda' so to speak.

I see an article using sourced rumors to perpetuate a long running theme: Satanic, kid fucking Clintons. I certainly believe Bill has had a few young girls, but systemic pedophilia for both him and his wife, no. Also, they are Christian. Hillary might have even been raised Evangelical, I think I read.
Many sociopaths and psychopaths attend church routinely, and some even run churches.

Try to look at a bigger picture. Like I said, dead people seem to have been cropping up around the Clintons, well, since the 1980s.....  There's no need to exaggerate or goal shift the matter into ridiculous stuff like pedophilia and Satanics.
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....Seth Rich, oh somebody did that shit. You don't get mugged in DC with a wallet intact. But the Clintons? I see a reach to attribute this to her. See an overzealous gov agent capping him, the FBI in the preliminary throes of its Trump investigation (becuase this was going on even before he was elected). People aren't stupid. The leak was illegal, would have been much better to make him a whipping boy. Would have painted RNC collusion against the DNC, would have sold the public on a DNC vote. And the emails/info was already passed. Killing him again didn't 'advance the agenda' so to speak.

I see an article using sourced rumors to perpetuate a long running theme: Satanic, kid fucking Clintons. I certainly believe Bill has had a few young girls, but systemic pedophilia for both him and his wife, no. Also, they are Christian. Hillary might have even been raised Evangelical, I think I read.
Many sociopaths and psychopaths attend church routinely, and some even run churches.

Try to look at a bigger picture. Like I said, dead people seem to have been cropping up around the Clintons, well, since the 1980s.....  There's no need to exaggerate or goal shift the matter into ridiculous stuff like pedophilia and Satanics.

But this is literally the party line on this. I think she's an old, rich white woman, not a Satanist, and I didn't make the shit up. The rumors on the Clintons are ridiculous. I'm just repeating the taking points I've seen around the forum concerning the matter. I could link you to Clinton conspiracy kinks on this very forum, and this is a well known talking point of the extreme right. Other people have more pressing shit to worry about than who the ancient ass Clintons are fucking.
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....Seth Rich, oh somebody did that shit. You don't get mugged in DC with a wallet intact. But the Clintons? I see a reach to attribute this to her. See an overzealous gov agent capping him, the FBI in the preliminary throes of its Trump investigation (becuase this was going on even before he was elected). People aren't stupid. The leak was illegal, would have been much better to make him a whipping boy. Would have painted RNC collusion against the DNC, would have sold the public on a DNC vote. And the emails/info was already passed. Killing him again didn't 'advance the agenda' so to speak.

I see an article using sourced rumors to perpetuate a long running theme: Satanic, kid fucking Clintons. I certainly believe Bill has had a few young girls, but systemic pedophilia for both him and his wife, no. Also, they are Christian. Hillary might have even been raised Evangelical, I think I read.
Many sociopaths and psychopaths attend church routinely, and some even run churches.

Try to look at a bigger picture. Like I said, dead people seem to have been cropping up around the Clintons, well, since the 1980s.....  There's no need to exaggerate or goal shift the matter into ridiculous stuff like pedophilia and Satanics.

But this is literally the party line on this. I think she's an old, rich white woman, not a Satanist, and I didn't make the shit up. The rumors on the Clintons are ridiculous. I'm just repeating the taking points I've seen around the forum concerning the matter. I could link you to Clinton conspiracy kinks on this very forum, and this is a well known talking point of the extreme right. Other people have more pressing shit to worry about than who the ancient ass Clintons are fucking.
It doesn't matter what you repeat, in fact that's blatantly a wast of time. It doesn't matter what nonsense you've heard. Don't bother repeating things that wasted your time, you just waste other peoples' time.

The number of dead people around the Clintons is significant. Think of it as a bad highway intersection if you like. A lot of people seem to get killed there.
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Yeah, Clintons. Well, they can be space aliens for all I care. Believe what you want about the Clintons Wink moving on

Back to the Seth topic. This is what I meant. Start thinking; if a story is big on one site, but gets no validation from any other major news source, is it safe to believe?
http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/16/media/seth-rich-family-response-claims-of-wikileaks-contact/

Let me repost this, sec:

It took only hours for one of the biggest stories in conservative media this week, which some outlets had chosen to focus on over news that President Trump disclosed classified information to senior Russian officials, to fall apart.
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On Monday night, Rod Wheeler, a private investigator and Fox News contributor, put things in motion during an interview with WTTG-TV, a Fox affiliate in Washington.
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No real evidence has been provided to support such claims and Washington's Metropolitan Police Department, which continues to investigate the murder, says there is evidence to suggest he may have been the victim of a botched robbery.
Nevertheless, a handful of right-wing media outlets have latched on to the theory -- and Wheeler's remarks on Monday allowed the narrative to once again ricochet throughout the conservative media universe.
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"NOT RUSSIA, BUT AN INSIDE JOB?" asked Breitbart, the far-right website previously led by White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, which said that "if proven, the report has the potential to be one of the biggest cover-ups in American political history, dispelling the widespread claim that the Russians were behind hacks on the DNC."
"DEAD DNC STAFFER 'HAD CONTACT' WITH WIKILEAKS," declared the headline of the Drudge Report, the highly-trafficked conservative news destination.
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Tuesday afternoon, Wheeler told CNN he had no evidence to suggest Rich had contacted Wikileaks before his death.
Wheeler instead said he only learned about the possible existence of such evidence through the reporter he spoke to for the FoxNews.com story. He explained that the comments he made to WTTG-TV were intended to simply preview Fox News' Tuesday story. The WTTG-TV news director did not respond to multiple requests for comment.
"I only got that [information] from the reporter at Fox News," Wheeler told CNN.
Asked about a quote attributed to him in the Fox News story in which he said his "investigation up to this point shows there was some degree of email exchange between Seth Rich and Wikileaks," Wheeler said he was referring to information that had already been reported in the media.

A Fox News spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment by the time of publication.


Your side is trying its damndest to misattribute the Russian thing, and the attempts make you want to look even harder at Russia, because of how flimsy the effort to distract/mislead is. If Russia didn't happen, let the investigation happen. Shouldn't be anything to find, right? He's stated many times his hands are clean. Shut the libtards up once and for all; why all the conjecture about what happened? The side that believes him guilty isn't even making assumptions on how it happened. Why are your news sources so obsessed with filling in a narrative no one asked for? Even better, why are they trying to paint a false narrative to deceive you? What do they gain by making you afraid of Hillary Clinton?

Because it's rhetorical, and you bit the whole fishing pole up to the reel.

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https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/judicial-watch-sues-fbi-for-records-on-seth-rich/


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Demorats are a racist party, thats why they blame russia for everything, even for the tooth decay of their grandmother, thats why there are so many black people and minorities in it, its simply the party of racism it always have been whatever racism currently, once anti black, today anti white they never change. never can be neutral.

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You likely know this, but I'll say it anyway.

The DC police dept. cannot be trusted to prosecute, or even investigate these things.
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You likely know this, but I'll say it anyway.

The DC police dept. cannot be trusted to prosecute, or even investigate these things.

They know better. They don't want to come down with a sudden case of Arkancide.


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