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May 20, 2017, 05:30:45 PM
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Totally right there are some users who are depending so much in bitcoin so they are using it to earn for their daily needs,
And there are others who just want to gain some profit and use bitcoin as part of it.
When people will be depending on bitcoin earning for their living, it is inevitable for them to keep on selling/spending bitcoins. But in this case we could not consider selling bitcoin as a missing opportunity because they will not afford to save all their bitcoin what they are earning. But probably they must be saving some percentage of bitcoins from their earning.

But for the people who are using bitcoin as store of value, selling bitcoins must be equivalent to losing opportunity. Because they are affording to save bitcoin but they are selling it. Hence they must be losing some big possibility of becoming richer.

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If people depend on Bitcoin for their living (i.e. fiat is not available), one can’t consider selling Bitcoin as a missing opportunity.
If you consider Bitcoin as an investment, the simplest strategy is buy and hold. Studying the posts: it’s to easy to say ‘selling Bitcoin = opportunity loss’. A Bitcoin is not a bond with a main guarantee, so holding Bitcoin implies a risk. One could say that partial selling reduces total risk, the lost opportunity is the premium. Partial selling could be a succesful strategy, but i don’t think it will optimize profit on a aggregated level.
The preferences in the posts are often subjective to the level of risk aversion.
I would say: selling Bitcoin = opportunity loss. It’s not a truth, only a opinion.
Thank you all for replying, it gave me an opportunity to learn

Everyone and his dog are free to have their opinion

But that alone doesn't translate into profit "optimization on an aggregated level" (I don't really know what you mean by this). Nevertheless, holding your coins cannot possibly be an optimal strategy since the only case when it becomes such never happens in real life. That strategy would be best if Bitcoin (or any other such asset, for the record) was going up in a straight line. But this is never the case. So selling a fraction of your coins and buying them back is a more profitable strategy simply statistically. You may not always hit it 20/20, but in the long run you would be better off than just sticking to your coins (even if there were no major crashes)

Aggregated level:
The sum of the individual profits of the group who choose for a selling-strategy. The profits of individuals will have some kind of distibution.
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May 20, 2017, 06:53:54 PM
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There could be many reasons for anyone to sell their coins and there's nothing wrong in doing that because basically they are circulating the coins and running the network this way. For example, I have needs and I want fiat and my complete earnings are in bitcoins, so I am bound to sell them to get some paper money and drive my life smooth. So is the scenario in different persons' lives and BTC's price is sure to grow always, but should it mean that we should just hold for years and years and don't live a better life at current prices too?
Spending and selling bitcoin for need is another thing and surely one has to sell them to meet the daily needs but OP is addressing to traders especially, who do not have an urgent need to sell but still sell thinking this is the best price.

But believe me there is no best price of bitcoin now. Even if you sell your coins at $2000 now, you are at a loss as in few month the price will be $3000. So my advice to all, if you do not have any urgent need, do not sell the coins.














 

 

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May 20, 2017, 07:06:12 PM
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Everyone and his dog are free to have their opinion

But that alone doesn't translate into profit "optimization on an aggregated level" (I don't really know what you mean by this). Nevertheless, holding your coins cannot possibly be an optimal strategy since the only case when it becomes such never happens in real life. That strategy would be best if Bitcoin (or any other such asset, for the record) was going up in a straight line. But this is never the case. So selling a fraction of your coins and buying them back is a more profitable strategy simply statistically. You may not always hit it 20/20, but in the long run you would be better off than just sticking to your coins (even if there were no major crashes)

Aggregated level:
The sum of the individual profits of the group who choose for a selling-strategy. The profits of individuals will have some kind of distibution

That would be like an average body temperature across the hospital (mortuary included)

You simply can't compare that to a one-size-fits-all holding strategy, i.e. a strategy where all members of the group just hold to their bitcoins. If you still want to compare these strategies, you obviously should compare a group of individuals sticking to the same BTFD strategy. But that would be equal to comparing just one individual following his variety of that strategy to another individual who has married his coins. Moreover, you simply can't use your "aggregated level" since profits just like losses are an individual, not a group phenomenon (especially in a zero-sum game like Bitcoin trading)

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May 20, 2017, 07:49:43 PM
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$2000 price is now broken anyone selling?  Smiley

I don't have the urgency to sell now so I'm holding and just speculate that the market price will go up to the moon. If someone wants to sell, it is their prerogative. We will not point fingers at you as well, because that is your decision. But please don't create a thread saying that you regret selling your precious bitcoin at this price. We will understand if you have a situation wherein you need money and so the only option is to sell bitcoin->fiat. But if you are going to sell now just for the sake of thinking you will have huge problem. Think again. The chances of bitcoin price is going to the moon right now so its better to hold on it as tight as you can.

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May 20, 2017, 08:19:33 PM
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Everyone and his dog are free to have their opinion

But that alone doesn't translate into profit "optimization on an aggregated level" (I don't really know what you mean by this). Nevertheless, holding your coins cannot possibly be an optimal strategy since the only case when it becomes such never happens in real life. That strategy would be best if Bitcoin (or any other such asset, for the record) was going up in a straight line. But this is never the case. So selling a fraction of your coins and buying them back is a more profitable strategy simply statistically. You may not always hit it 20/20, but in the long run you would be better off than just sticking to your coins (even if there were no major crashes)

Aggregated level:
The sum of the individual profits of the group who choose for a selling-strategy. The profits of individuals will have some kind of distibution

That would be like an average body temperature across the hospital (mortuary included)

You simply can't compare that to a one-size-fits-all holding strategy, i.e. a strategy where all members of the group just hold to their bitcoins. If you still want to compare these strategies, you obviously should compare a group of individuals sticking to the same BTFD strategy. But that would be equal to comparing just one individual following his variety of that strategy to another individual who has married his coins. Moreover, you simply can't use your "aggregated level" since profits just like losses are an individual, not a group phenomenon (especially in a zero-sum game like Bitcoin trading)

Talking about hospital: I’don’t like the perspective being part of a test group who is swallowing the placebo. Maybe my search for an econometric principle is to simple.
Zero sum game: how do you define the playing field? On a certain scale, isn’t everything a zero-sum game?
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May 20, 2017, 08:28:59 PM
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Everyone and his dog are free to have their opinion

But that alone doesn't translate into profit "optimization on an aggregated level" (I don't really know what you mean by this). Nevertheless, holding your coins cannot possibly be an optimal strategy since the only case when it becomes such never happens in real life. That strategy would be best if Bitcoin (or any other such asset, for the record) was going up in a straight line. But this is never the case. So selling a fraction of your coins and buying them back is a more profitable strategy simply statistically. You may not always hit it 20/20, but in the long run you would be better off than just sticking to your coins (even if there were no major crashes)

Aggregated level:
The sum of the individual profits of the group who choose for a selling-strategy. The profits of individuals will have some kind of distibution

That would be like an average body temperature across the hospital (mortuary included)

You simply can't compare that to a one-size-fits-all holding strategy, i.e. a strategy where all members of the group just hold to their bitcoins. If you still want to compare these strategies, you obviously should compare a group of individuals sticking to the same BTFD strategy. But that would be equal to comparing just one individual following his variety of that strategy to another individual who has married his coins. Moreover, you simply can't use your "aggregated level" since profits just like losses are an individual, not a group phenomenon (especially in a zero-sum game like Bitcoin trading)

Talking about hospital: I’don’t like the perspective being part of a test group who is swallowing the placebo. Maybe my search for an econometric principle is to simple.
Zero sum game: how do you define the playing field? On a certain scale, isn’t everything a zero-sum game?

I don't know about a certain level but ultimately not everything is a zero-sum game

Basically, we use free resources which were given to us by the Universe or God if you please (e.g. energy, air, water, etc), so for us, humans, it is certainly not a zero sum game. Even in respect to markets, the zero-sum game approach is applicable only to financial markets (Bitcoin belongs here as well), but if we talk about, say, commodity markets, this is no longer the case. For example, a buyer purchases a barrel of crude oil from which he makes a few gallons of gasoline that he sells to his consumers, so it is a win-win situation for everyone, starting from an oil extracting company to a consumer who is driving his car fueled by what has once been crude oil. In other words, crude oil here is conceptually a free lunch which is shared between a few interested people

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May 20, 2017, 10:40:01 PM
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Well nowadays the most people are dumping because they know price is too high and sooner or later a readjust will happen, due to split or any other reason, we all know price is out of control i my self didnt expect it to cross 1300 since the drop at January, but well i sold some coins on those and i regret, but there is no way to predict bitcoin next step at all.


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May 21, 2017, 03:18:11 AM
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I don't agree with you on this matter, if you want to make profit from your investment then it must be sold or trading. If you can't trade with your investment then how can it bring profit to you.
So. I strongly disagree to this matter that selling Bitcoin will bring lose of opportunity.
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May 21, 2017, 03:57:34 AM
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I think it is true that selling bitcoins is like losing the opportunity of bitcoin because the price has a lot of potential in this coming few months or years so if you want to have a bigger profits than before then you can actually just hold your bitcoin and keep it on a safe place where it is not vulnerable to possible hack attacks. Just keep holding and you will earn more than what you are earning now.

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May 21, 2017, 04:11:43 AM
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I think it is true that selling bitcoins is like losing the opportunity of bitcoin because the price has a lot of potential in this coming few months or years so if you want to have a bigger profits than before then you can actually just hold your bitcoin and keep it on a safe place where it is not vulnerable to possible hack attacks. Just keep holding and you will earn more than what you are earning now.
But we are not certain if the value will keep rising in the future, although that is also what i think that holding bitcoin for long time is good and profitable im still wondering if that would really come true. when it comes to selling now can be an opportunity loss i dont think thats really the case, if you already earn and think that the price is enough for you to sell then go for it. for me if you already earn with your investment thats already fine however if you are looking forward for more earnings, holding now is the solution.

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May 21, 2017, 04:30:43 AM
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I do agree that bitcoin is still showing price increases so better not to sell and more to hold it but that does not mean selling bitcoin it loss the opportunity. we can still buy again and sell it at high prices maybe even our advantage so much more with rebuy.

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May 21, 2017, 07:35:22 AM
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Everyone and his dog are free to have their opinion

But that alone doesn't translate into profit "optimization on an aggregated level" (I don't really know what you mean by this). Nevertheless, holding your coins cannot possibly be an optimal strategy since the only case when it becomes such never happens in real life. That strategy would be best if Bitcoin (or any other such asset, for the record) was going up in a straight line. But this is never the case. So selling a fraction of your coins and buying them back is a more profitable strategy simply statistically. You may not always hit it 20/20, but in the long run you would be better off than just sticking to your coins (even if there were no major crashes)

Aggregated level:
The sum of the individual profits of the group who choose for a selling-strategy. The profits of individuals will have some kind of distibution

That would be like an average body temperature across the hospital (mortuary included)

You simply can't compare that to a one-size-fits-all holding strategy, i.e. a strategy where all members of the group just hold to their bitcoins. If you still want to compare these strategies, you obviously should compare a group of individuals sticking to the same BTFD strategy. But that would be equal to comparing just one individual following his variety of that strategy to another individual who has married his coins. Moreover, you simply can't use your "aggregated level" since profits just like losses are an individual, not a group phenomenon (especially in a zero-sum game like Bitcoin trading)

Talking about hospital: I’don’t like the perspective being part of a test group who is swallowing the placebo. Maybe my search for an econometric principle is to simple.
Zero sum game: how do you define the playing field? On a certain scale, isn’t everything a zero-sum game?

I don't know about a certain level but ultimately not everything is a zero-sum game

Basically, we use free resources which were given to us by the Universe or God if you please (e.g. energy, air, water, etc), so for us, humans, it is certainly not a zero sum game. Even in respect to markets, the zero-sum game approach is applicable only to financial markets (Bitcoin belongs here as well), but if we talk about, say, commodity markets, this is no longer the case. For example, a buyer purchases a barrel of crude oil from which he makes a few gallons of gasoline that he sells to his consumers, so it is a win-win situation for everyone, starting from an oil extracting company to a consumer who is driving his car fueled by what has once been crude oil. In other words, crude oil here is conceptually a free lunch which is shared between a few interested people


What I learned from the basics of physics is that we don’t create, we only transform. Only the transformation can be irreversible. On human level it’s not zero-sum, on (sub)atomic level: it is.
Going to the markets: Keynesians, Friedman and followers consider a relationship between the monetairy (financial markets is a subset) and commodity markets, money supply and intrest rate determine price level, and supply and demand in  commodities. They are interrelated, so if there is no zero-sum game in commodities, there is no zero-sum game in monetairy (incl. financial) markets (including Bitcoin, I like your inclusion of Bitcoin). However, the sum of commodities and financials/monetairy may be zero.
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Going to the markets: Keynesians, Friedman and followers consider a relationship between the monetairy (financial markets is a subset) and commodity markets, money supply and intrest rate determine price level, and supply and demand in  commodities. They are interrelated, so if there is no zero-sum game in commodities, there is no zero-sum game in monetairy (incl. financial) markets (including Bitcoin, I like your inclusion of Bitcoin). However, the sum of commodities and financials/monetairy may be zero

I don't think so

Thus you may want to show how Bitcoin is interrelated with the markets which are not zero-sum games (which would effectively turn it into a non-zero-sum game as well). I think I explained it pretty well how commodity markets are not zero-sum games, and I hope I can expect a similar explanation. Just someone claiming something (Friedman, Keynes, or whatever) is not enough. They often assert mutually exclusive claims, so there is no reason to think that they are always right (just because their names are known and recognized). As I say in such case, if someone says bullshit that will remain bullshit no matter who says that

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May 21, 2017, 09:04:06 AM
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I don't agree with you on this matter, if you want to make profit from your investment then it must be sold or trading. If you can't trade with your investment then how can it bring profit to you.
So. I strongly disagree to this matter that selling Bitcoin will bring lose of opportunity.

I think the OP shouldn't have said selling is an opportunity loss but rather an opportunity loss to make more profits because like you're saying if you bought 1 bitcoin last week and you sold now you should be able to rake in about 300$ profit but you'll loose the opportunity to make more profits should the price skyrocket to 3000$ by next week.



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May 21, 2017, 06:04:02 PM
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Many posts discuss the possibility of exchange earnings with selling Bitcoin (and buy later). Other posts discuss the Bitcoin exchange rate, it seems that many agree there is a strong upward tendency and the volatility is hard to predict. It seems dat selling Bitcoin results in a serious probability of an opportunity loss. Selling Bitcoin can only be motivated by an (partial) exit. Do you agree?

I agree totally with your submission because for anyone who sells you just find out that you have made some losses  few hours later just because the upward trend has been maintained consistently even if there is some volatilities the price is still maintained. The best for anyone is just to avoid selling now and go away temptations of selling here and there.
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May 21, 2017, 06:23:47 PM
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Bitcoin is not for selling but for holding. It consolidates day by day. The idea of selling bitcoin makes upset me because I feel like that I am turning gold, diamond into nonsense paper.

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May 21, 2017, 08:29:16 PM
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I do not consider that selling Bitcoin is a loss in opportunity. Why did you even come in the bitcoin community, to gain right? So if for yourself you gained enough profit from bitcoin then selling them would mean having a taste of what you've earned. Though you lost possible profit by selling earlier, you already gained before losing.

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May 21, 2017, 09:23:19 PM
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We buy and sell bitcoins on a daily basis so I wouldn't say it's an opportunity loss because you can always buy back and join the train again. It's only a loss when you profited nothing from your investments in it and rather declined in your initial investment.

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May 21, 2017, 09:31:00 PM
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Well it is always like that. I had my doubts few days ago, i was asking my self should i sell now or should i wait for even higher price. Because i had little bitcoin on my account i decited to hold on it for a while, and it turn out i was right. Every time when you sell and make possitive earning, that is good trade, it is only bad if you lose. At least that is what i think ☺ .

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May 21, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
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Well it is always like that. I had my doubts few days ago, i was asking my self should i sell now or should i wait for even higher price. Because i had little bitcoin on my account i decited to hold on it for a while, and it turn out i was right. Every time when you sell and make possitive earning, that is good trade, it is only bad if you lose. At least that is what i think ☺ .

You can never tell the right amount of Bitcoin price and it always go up, go down or go sideway.   And I agree that if you sell with positive ROI, it is a successful trade, though if the price increase after an hour then you have lost an opportunity to sell at a higher price.   But I guess it is better not to be greedy and contented on the profit during the sale.



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