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Author Topic: The Barry Silbert segwit2x agreement with >80% miner support.  (Read 119412 times)
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June 19, 2017, 06:09:23 PM
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Well, that escalated very fast with those miners signaling Segwit2x. I think Segwit2x will be the compromise that makes everyone happy.

I'm gonna buy a bottle of Bacardy rum when this long-term scaling debat has come to an end.

Signalling means nothing so far! The miners can still play stupid games with us. And some of them will! That's for sure!
Furthermore I will take SegWit and will be happy about that. But a few months later they can fork off if they want! I will definitely not run their client and will definitely not be part of this huge block network they are trying to build.

As far i know getting Segwit via miners is saver than UASF with a possible chain-split. I thought it is compatible with Bip48. If they cheat uss then we dont run there client and ore PoW change.
I still see them as suspicios especially with there rushed HF.

More miners has signaled Segwit2x.

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June 19, 2017, 06:18:46 PM
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...More miners has signaled Segwit2x.

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Antpool is signaling Segwit2x and BU:
https://btc.com/stats/pool/AntPool
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June 19, 2017, 07:37:15 PM
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Im' cornfuzzed!
Antpool is signaling Segwit2x and BU:
https://btc.com/stats/pool/AntPool
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It's confusing to you that Jihan would signal both of the clients that are in opposition to the Core devs and would help oust them?

Perfect evidence that you simply have no clue what is going on with bitcoin.

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June 19, 2017, 07:46:20 PM
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...More miners has signaled Segwit2x.

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Antpool is signaling Segwit2x and BU:
https://btc.com/stats/pool/AntPool
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the code change for support will be at 16 July. For now they can comment to their blocks whatever they like.

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June 19, 2017, 08:01:28 PM
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...Perfect evidence that you simply have no clue what is going on with bitcoin.
Perfect evidence that the concepts of sarcasm and irony are entirely over your head.  Roll Eyes


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BTW, "what is going on with bitcoin" is the same pissing match that has gone on for the last 30 years (the software guys are crying in their Mommies' panties over the fact that they haven't been able to monetize a protocol in the same manner that the hardware guys have [as evidenced by the thousands of times the software guys (who "only" make hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop a free piece of software) have extended the anti-hardware campaign by repeatedly hurling more unfounded accusations of the hardware guys (who make millions of dollars from physical devices and the use of those devices - ergo "profiting twice") using "covert" asicboost because they know that Joe Average is above demanding evidence for such accusations]). Wink

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June 19, 2017, 08:41:09 PM
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...Perfect evidence that you simply have no clue what is going on with bitcoin.
Perfect evidence that the concepts of sarcasm and irony are entirely over your head.  Roll Eyes


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June 19, 2017, 09:33:33 PM
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The thing that we're going to have to understand is that if the miners want to do this and if we don't agree we can simply stop using the currency all together and stick to using the one we love, we don't have to follow in their hard fork if you don't want to. I do fully support it think this is the best for Bitcoin, but I don't really know what the others hear think about it.
Well, that escalated very fast with those miners signaling Segwit2x. I think Segwit2x will be the compromise that makes everyone happy.

I'm gonna buy a bottle of Bacardy rum when this long-term scaling debat has come to an end.

I'm going to be with this guy and just simply get the point of simply praying that this will be the end all be all for this debate. Maybe the fucking TX fees will go down from the insane prices they're at now as well, please miners?














 

 

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June 19, 2017, 09:45:12 PM
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Every time "the price of tx frees" is mentioned in all of this, I taste a little bit of sick in my mouth. It's sad to see the politicized buzz-words/phrases that get tossed into this mix. Cry

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June 19, 2017, 10:09:02 PM
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Every time "the price of tx frees" is mentioned in all of this, I taste a little bit of sick in my mouth. It's sad to see the politicized buzz-words/phrases that get tossed into this mix. Cry


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June 19, 2017, 10:25:03 PM
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...Perfect evidence that you simply have no clue what is going on with bitcoin.
Perfect evidence that the concepts of sarcasm and irony are entirely over your head.  Roll Eyes
Oh please... You were about a sarcastic as Janet Yellen delivering a report to congress.

We're in a visual medium here, so you can't use icons like Huh to end your otherwise drooling-newbie mistaken posts and have other people imagine that you were just being sarcastic.

Worse yet, if you were being sarcastic, you would have been defending the core dev team with that statement... And then turned around seconds later to tear them down, accusing them of " hurling more unfounded accusations of the hardware guys." -Which is ludicrous but that's another argument.

So it couldn't have been sarcasm. Give it up.

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June 19, 2017, 10:27:18 PM
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What's also amusing is the corresponding drop in transactions back to normal basal levels again now that all those pools are in agreement about what to do next. This adds circumstantial evidence that someone was injecting all that shit into the transaction biosphere to make it look like there was a transaction volume crisis there that didn't exist.

I pointed out the drop in mempool spam a few weeks ago and nobody commented. What's interesting is fees haven't gone down, probably because the blocks are still full and people have their fees cranked up to avoid stuck transactions. Since the blocks are full, I'm guessing that fake volume with a lot of inputs was clogging the mempool. I also saw last month 1000s of transactions that were invalid, that slowed the network down, indicating an actor with high technical knowledge.

I'm hoping somebody who is more technically knowledgeable than me can figure out who was/is spamming. I know it's not that easy to attribute the transactions. Chances are we could at least get a source IP address, and then work from there...
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June 19, 2017, 10:28:41 PM
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What's also amusing is the corresponding drop in transactions back to normal basal levels again now that all those pools are in agreement about what to do next. This adds circumstantial evidence that someone was injecting all that shit into the transaction biosphere to make it look like there was a transaction volume crisis there that didn't exist.

I pointed out the drop in mempool spam a few weeks ago and nobody commented. What's interesting is fees haven't gone down, probably because the blocks are still full and people have their fees cranked up to avoid stuck transactions. Since the blocks are full, I'm guessing that fake volume with a lot of inputs was clogging the mempool. I also saw last month 1000s of transactions that were invalid, that slowed the network down, indicating an actor with high technical knowledge.

I'm hoping somebody who is more technically knowledgeable than me can figure out who was/is spamming. I know it's not that easy to attribute the transactions. Chances are we could at least get a source IP address, and then work from there...

or more possible because wallet failed to calculate right the fee right now. Today even a transaction with zero fees has confirmed


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Kindly help a not-so techie a bit, as the term 'SegWit2x' is confusing for me:

BIP148, USAF, SegWit, I understand those. But SegWit2x, that confuses me; I assume that SegWit2x is just another name for SegWit2Mb ?

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June 19, 2017, 10:31:47 PM
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Antpool is signaling Segwit2x and BU:
https://btc.com/stats/pool/AntPool
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They're infamous for doing shit like that purely to save face from having to admit they're backpedalling on their BU stance. It's just a coinbase message so it doesn't cost them anything in terms of risk to leave it in there. BU was always just a bargaining tool for them in the first place once UASF was mentioned. Now that they have a way to make it look like they're not actually agreeing to core, even though they actually are, they can finally get rid of it but they're proving their usual level of inertia with previous claims. Most of the other pools that are either covertly or overtly under bitmain's control are still doing the same thing. These morons need to get off their arses and be clear about their message and stop adding conflicting messages to their coinbase. The joke got tired a long time ago.

Segwit2x support over 24 hours is now over 55% making it higher than any activation signal to date and looks set to easily get to the 80% required to start signalling in mid July. Adding the existing BIP141 signalling pools to the total means segwit is a surety unless something happens for them to start backpedalling on their agreement.

This whole approach was really stupid in the first place by the mining agreement and I'm just glad someone stepped up to the plate to make their incompatible bit4 nonsense compatible with existing core nodes and segwit activation.

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Kindly help a not-so techie a bit, as the term 'SegWit2x' is confusing for me:

BIP148, USAF, SegWit, I understand those. But SegWit2x, that confuses me; I assume that SegWit2x is just another name for SegWit2Mb ?

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I pointed out the drop in mempool spam a few weeks ago and nobody commented. What's interesting is fees haven't gone down, probably because the blocks are still full and people have their fees cranked up to avoid stuck transactions. Since the blocks are full, I'm guessing that fake volume with a lot of inputs was clogging the mempool. I also saw last month 1000s of transactions that were invalid, that slowed the network down, indicating an actor with high technical knowledge.

I'm hoping somebody who is more technically knowledgeable than me can figure out who was/is spamming. I know it's not that easy to attribute the transactions. Chances are we could at least get a source IP address, and then work from there...

or more possible because wallet failed to calculate right the fee right now. Today even a transaction with zero fees has confirmed

Pretty much this. A lot of the wallets, both online and standalone are not that smart with respect to fees and have been manually adjusted to higher levels and haven't been adjusted back down. Anyone running bitcoin core/qt which has a dynamic fee estimator would have noticed the drop in recommended minimum fees to just over 100 satoshi per byte over a week ago.

This site has been showing it for a while too if people have been paying attention instead of using some braindead default:
https://bitcoinfees.21.co/

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June 19, 2017, 10:43:42 PM
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Kindly help a not-so techie a bit, as the term 'SegWit2x' is confusing for me:

BIP148, USAF, SegWit, I understand those. But SegWit2x, that confuses me; I assume that SegWit2x is just another name for SegWit2Mb ?

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Thank you.

And yes, I'm already married; in a monogamous relation that is, should future questions arise  Wink

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June 19, 2017, 10:44:34 PM
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...More miners has signaled Segwit2x.

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Antpool is signaling Segwit2x and BU:
https://btc.com/stats/pool/AntPool
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It is indeed possible to generate blocks that are valid to both those proposals. As well as XT, Classic, 8MB, ...

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June 19, 2017, 11:06:40 PM
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...Perfect evidence that you simply have no clue what is going on with bitcoin.
Perfect evidence that the concepts of sarcasm and irony are entirely over your head.  Roll Eyes
Oh please... You were about a sarcastic as Janet Yellen delivering a report to congress.

We're in a visual medium here, so you can't use icons like Huh to end your otherwise drooling-newbie mistaken posts and have other people imagine that you were just being sarcastic.

Worse yet, if you were being sarcastic, you would have been defending the core dev team with that statement... And then turned around seconds later to tear them down, accusing them of " hurling more unfounded accusations of the hardware guys." -Which is ludicrous but that's another argument.

So it couldn't have been sarcasm. Give it up.

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In the real world, it is entirely possible to be against the beliefs and/or actions of Core devs and be against the beliefs and/or actions of those that the Core devs have led you to believe are their "enemies" (and/or the "enemies of Bitcoin"). It truly baffles me how people with your narrowness of thinking are even capable of being taught how to tie your own shoes.  Roll Eyes (emoticon for requested effect)

It's sad that I have to explain to your little mind that the Core devs professional income revolves around Core being relevant and, despite their repeated claims on medium which they or their fanboys control, that is entirely no different than Bitmain needing to stay on top of the miner/pool business (I'm sure the people that spoon-feed you everything you know have given you a list of justifications of how I'm wrong, but justifications don't change base-level facts). Bitmain and Core are the equally-toasted, equally-sliced pieces of bread (from the same loaf) that make up the shit-sandwich that is Bitcoin.  Angry Cry (emoticon for requested effect)

Some day, one can hope, you'll stop living your life based on what someone on social media says, do some reading, do some actual research, learn a thing or two, actually have an original thought of your own, and realize that it's actually possible to have a disagreement where upon both sides are wrong (and being a fanboy of either side doesn't change the fact that the group you're a fan of is wrong).  Wink (emoticon for requested effect)

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June 19, 2017, 11:57:37 PM
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How ridiculous the face saving code has become is nicely summarised by Samson Mow.

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Letter to signal intent to use "NYA" coinbase signal to signal using bit4 to signal bit1 to signal BIP141 activation.
Instead of just signalling BIP141... One day history will look back upon our blockchain and facepalm. Heck I think it already is.

Meanwhile support just hit 64% over the last 24 hours.

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