[ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented

[gentlemand]

Bets on who is the next? 

I wouldn't be surprised if it was all of them, but perhaps Bestmixer had particularly gaping holes in how they operated.

If it were me I'd shut up shop. Or at the very least go camping in the woods and see if there are any actual charges brought from this. I can't see any mention of anyone being charged for anything yet.

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[AdolfinWolf]

Bets on who is the next?  

I wouldn't be surprised if it was all of them, but perhaps Bestmixer had particularly gaping holes in how they operated.

If it were me I'd shut up shop. Or at the very least go camping in the woods and see if there are any actual charges brought from this. I can't see any mention of anyone being charged for anything yet.

My guess:

Either Chipmixer was created with this scenario in mind -- "bulletproof" so to speak (hence why they haven't been taken down yet,
(because lets be real, Chipmixer is way bigger than Bestmixer.io)

Which means they're probably chilling somewhere in the Seychelles, or some other country where they can't just raid their servers as they did with Bestmixer.

If they're not, i wouldn't be surprised if they're going to close their doors sooner rather than later. I know i probably would too. (Even if what you're doing isn't illegal. These "Shoot first ask questions later" agencies are at some point not worth messing around with anymore..)

Or.. perhaps Chipmixer has already fallen.. 

[jackg]

Yeah ChipMixer are in a similar country to another service in a similar secter going since 2013/2014 I think they should be pretty safe.

As a side note if you want to keep your legally gray actions secret, don't register a domain in Europe lol because this happens.

This is disapointing of europol and the Netherlands. They clearly don't understand the significance of these sites and how mixers work in a way cash does.

[Rath_]

This is disapointing of europol and the Netherlands. They clearly don't understand the significance of these sites and how mixers work in a way cash does.

They pointed out in the report that there are people who use mixing services only to increase their anonymity, but since many transactions originate from darknet, this kind of services should be taken down. I wonder why they still haven't done anything to Bitcoin ATMs.

[Kakmakr]

I hope this Bestmixer event will trigger new innovation in decentralization of these services or even side-chain services or just counter measures to prevent sites like this being taken down.

Financial privacy in Crypto currency is of utmost importance and it is nothing more than the anonymity that cash offers people. If every transaction or ownership of coins were public knowledge, people might get hurt. <targeted by hackers, abductors, economic criminals etc.>  

Why should we have less financial privacy than people who use fiat currencies? <Cash>  

[figmentofmyass]

Bets on who is the next? 

I wouldn't be surprised if it was all of them, but perhaps Bestmixer had particularly gaping holes in how they operated.

it sure sounds like it. all their servers were in the netherlands/luxembourg---seriously, who does that? of course those servers were going to get nabbed eventually.

If it were me I'd shut up shop. Or at the very least go camping in the woods and see if there are any actual charges brought from this. I can't see any mention of anyone being charged for anything yet.

no arrests at all. the media reports make it sound like they don't even know or understand the extent of money laundering being done. like AdolfinWolf said, "shoot first ask questions later".

[HeRetiK]

[...] I wonder why they still haven't done anything to Bitcoin ATMs.

Are there anonymous Bitcoin ATMs? IIRC pretty much all ATM providers both in the Americas and in Europe follow KYC procedures of some sort. At least I'm not aware of any that don't. Granted, the effectiveness of said KYC procedures may vary, but at least there are some in place.

Also I remember a thread by a Bitcointalk member that operates (or used to operate) Bitcoin ATMs in the Netherlands ranting about strict regulations and questionable interference by law enforcement so it does seem like Bitcoin ATM operators need to tread carefully.

If it were me I'd shut up shop. Or at the very least go camping in the woods and see if there are any actual charges brought from this. I can't see any mention of anyone being charged for anything yet.

no arrests at all. the media reports make it sound like they don't even know or understand the extent of money laundering being done. like AdolfinWolf said, "shoot first ask questions later".

As it stands they don't know (yet) who ran the service, right? Or did I miss this in the reports? So far it seems like they only got the servers.

[Rath_]

Are there anonymous Bitcoin ATMs? IIRC pretty much all ATM providers both in the Americas and in Europe follow KYC procedures of some sort.

There is no KYC when using Bitcoin ATMs in Poland. An ATM knows only the receiving and the desination address, and the amount of coins obviously. Surprisingly, online services are forced to do KYC if a certain threshold is reached.

[AdolfinWolf]

[...] I wonder why they still haven't done anything to Bitcoin ATMs.

Are there anonymous Bitcoin ATMs? IIRC pretty much all ATM providers both in the Americas and in Europe follow KYC procedures of some sort. At least I'm not aware of any that don't. Granted, the effectiveness of said KYC procedures may vary, but at least there are some in place.

I believe there were some Bitcoin ATM's in spain not too long ago which were confiscated by the police there because they were used to "launder" drug money -- they probably didn't have KYC.
Also i believe that if you pay using IBAN here, you can do X amount without external verification.

- https://www.ccn.com/bitcoin-atm-10-million-crypto-money-laundering-spain

As it stands they don't know (yet) who ran the service, right? Or did I miss this in the reports? So far it seems like they only got the servers.

...As Dutch media reported, no arrests have yet been made in the Bestmixer case, as Europol officials attempt to determine the extent to which criminal money laundering was used on the site...

So europol probably has some idea of who the owners are, but at the same time admit to not having the evidence to indict/search for them?  

"As they attempt to determine...<...>"
Pffrt. that really is an awkward way to put a company out of business like that.

[HeRetiK]

There is no KYC when using Bitcoin ATMs in Poland. An ATM knows only the receiving and the desination address, and the amount of coins obviously. Surprisingly, online services are forced to do KYC if a certain threshold is reached.

Interesting to hear, let's see how long it stays that way.

Austria and Germany appear to be a bit more strict in this regard (or maybe the respective companies are just more conservative and careful in their approach).

So europol probably has some idea of who the owners are, but at the same time admit to not having the evidence to indict/search for them?  

"As they attempt to determine...<...>"
Pffrt. that really is an awkward way to put a company out of business like that.

Hah, that's law enforcement in legal grey areas for you.

Well connected company with political ties: "their actions may be unconventional but it's technically legal so there's nothing we can do"

Some rando business: "seize everything just to be safe"

[stadus]

Good day guys, I tried to use the mixer for the first time and I seem to have a problem.

Can anyone from this group help me how to use my session token, I was not able to proceed with it yesterday as my deposit takes a takes many hours to confirmed, so I just copy the session token and close the site and go to bed.

Now, I want to proceed with the transaction as I saw my transaction were already confirm and I have no idea how to continue.

[TryNinja]

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Go to the website again, scroll down a little bit and paste your session token in the box next to the “Restore session” button. Then, click the button.

Or go to: https://chipmixer.com/session/restore/your_session_token_here
(REMEMBER TO ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK THE URL. Be careful with the phishing scams!)

[stadus]

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Go to the website again, scroll down a little bit and paste your session token in the box next to the “Restore session” button. Then, click the button.

Or go to: https://chipmixer.com/session/restore/your_session_token_here
(REMEMBER TO ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK THE URL. Be careful with the phishing scams!)

Thanks for the help, I have successfully mix my coins, next time I'll go with a higher amount.
It's kinda complicated at first but I find it easier compared to the other mixer I tried as I can access it from my electrum and the fee is cheap.

Hopefully this will not be shut down like the other 2 mixers.

[malevolent]

Interesting to hear, let's see how long it stays that way.

There have been Bitcoin ATMs in Poland for over 5 years now. The only restriction Bitcoin ATM operators must observe is that each transaction cannot be over 15000 EUR. But since no KYC is collected it's really a non-issue.


BTW, it'd be good to hear of some kind of a reassurance by ChipMixer that they aren't going anywhere, I hope they are unaffected by recent events...

[jackg]

I was watching people use bitcoin atms on YouTube in the UK. They never exceed the initial limit of £2500 so I'm not sure what happens if you buy more but up to £2500 can be bought without kyc.

It makes sense they use chunks of £2500 because the slots usually take a maximum of 50 notes...


A different angle: europol want to look like theyre open to bitcoin businesses and innovation. Making arrests might harshen that. If europol is part of the EU it might turn people to the UK once we leave to host bitcoin related businesses.

[mk4]

Bets on who is the next?  

I wouldn't be surprised if it was all of them, but perhaps Bestmixer had particularly gaping holes in how they operated.

it sure sounds like it. all their servers were in the netherlands/luxembourg---seriously, who does that? of course those servers were going to get nabbed eventually.

Did an whois lookup on ChipMixer, and it says that the domain is registered on Panama. Which should be a good thing I assume?

[TryNinja]

Did an whois lookup on ChipMixer, and it says that the domain is registered on Panama. Which should be a good thing I assume?

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/14/blobe4000608dbfa6372.png

That's WhoisGuard's address (privacy protection company).

We place our information in public whois so that your information is not available to spammers. We don't cut off legitimate contacts by passing on valid mail and emails.

They will actually disclose the real information from the domain owner (being ChipMixer's real name (doubt), fake name or orange) to comply with "any applicable laws, government rules or requirements, subpoenas, court orders or requests of law enforcement"[1], so this means nothing.

All this does is protect your data from people like you (that whois lookup who owns a domain).
Most domains registrators use WhoisGuard by default (e.g Namecheap does it for free).

[1] http://www.whoisguard.com/legal-tos.asp

[shield132]

Considering Bestmixer has just been seized for what looks like relatively unspecific reasons, is anyone willing to guess what Chipmixer's next move is likely to be?

Bitmixer.io had the sense to walk before there was any heat.

Have the same question which I want to ask directly here and hope I'll get answer from chipmixer owner.
Bitmixer knew they had to run and this was time when a lot of new mixers came on market but still some old ones: cryptomixer and bitblender were on market. Bitblender went off, they sensed "smell" but somehow cryptomixer still stays here (if we consider the fact that their adresses were confirmed by DT members which to my mind wasn't great step from them because of anonimity).
I guess chipmixer is going to stay, but why? And this "why" isn't simple question.

[jackg]

@shield, the question doent make sense. Why wouldn't ChipMixer stay? They're not under much threat and probably won't be if they have their anonymity sorted properly.

They'll stay because it's profitible and there's no reason to leave?

[TryNinja]

It’s pretty obvious that they tried to use BestMixer as an example to scary people off.

“YOU ARE NOT ANONYMOUS”

Just because get caught one, doesn’t mean that every other mixer needs to run away with tail between legs.