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July 01, 2017, 12:34:51 PM
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Signature campaigns is the source of income in most users in this forum and this campaigns is the reason why the forum is active also the forum is making money with this campaign and good traffic for the site to rank up. So why take it away when it's also doing so much good for the site and it's users, sig campaigns was meant to adverstise the owners site or product,good and services. It is the spammers and sold accounts should be banned not this campaigns.

If you want to remove weeds, you must cut off their roots. Like hilariousandco and few other mentioned, as long as managers are doing their work by banning spammers from their campaign, spam can be reduced by a large margin.

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July 03, 2017, 04:52:21 AM
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It will be a bad idea to ban signature campaigns a few users are making decent income with that and you want to spoil their meal ?
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July 07, 2017, 05:23:33 PM
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Best thing about the world is......a VPS is cheap, I think(without looking down), this is Small Machines Forums and that is free software and a domain can be had for a very small amount, so anyone that is not happy with the way that this forum is run by its owners can leave and start their own within an hour.  There are people that love to tell others how to run their businesses and yet they do not own or run anything more than a cheap wallet account and a handful of nothing.
I think the Mods and devs of this forum and the Signature campaigns managers, together all are doing great job and giving great effort to make this forum the most successful and productive one.

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July 07, 2017, 06:44:21 PM
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In most cases the more experienced campaign managers are doing a great job, so that's not an issue here. Problem however is that not all campaigns are managed by capable managers.

It's insane how certain spammers constantly get approved by managers running a signature campaign (mostly ICO related), and thus completely fail to enforce any sort of proper rules.

It might partly be due to the price that has gone up significantly, which attracts new users, but the level of spam and gibberish on this forum has literally exploded in the last months.

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July 08, 2017, 11:39:20 AM
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If you want to remove weeds, you must cut off their roots.


The weeds have taken over the yard. There is almost no grass left. Is it still practical to cut off every root one by one?
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July 08, 2017, 12:49:00 PM
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If you want to remove weeds, you must cut off their roots. Like hilariousandco and few other mentioned, as long as managers are doing their work by banning spammers from their campaign, spam can be reduced by a large margin.
That's an Utopian dream. How do you force campaigns to hire managers that are good, or how do you force campaigns to even hire managers at all? Take the Waves campaign as an example. It is full of illiterate, account farming, filth. I had requested a list of enrolled participants and offered to clean it up for free. After talking to the manager(s?), I was supposed to get this list. Eventually they just went dark and I've never heard back from them.

Up until today, even after discussing issues with theymos for (a total of) several hours in the last year or so, I can't understand his stance/view on this issue.


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July 08, 2017, 01:16:06 PM
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That's an Utopian dream. How do you force campaigns to hire managers that are good, or how do you force campaigns to even hire managers at all?

If I had my way any problem campaign would be given a warning and would have few days to clean up their campaign and PM me a list of removed users. If people were still spamming/copying and pasting etc all their bounty and announcement threads would be trashed and their accounts would be banned. Their campaign signatures would also need to be blacklisted but getting theymos to do that seems unlikely as I've requested several be removed but no action was taken. Banning spammers is utterly futile when there's literally hundreds on each campaign just churning out utter shite or even worse copying and pasting (and you ban one account and they just keep on evading on their half dozen other ones). Several new campaigns pop up every month and this is going to get worse the more people realise you can literally get paid millions of dollars for nothing but coming up with a half-assed Ann thread.

Take the Waves campaign as an example. It is full of illiterate, account farming, filth. I had requested a list of enrolled participants and offered to clean it up for free. After talking to the manager(s?), I was supposed to get this list. Eventually they just went dark and I've never heard back from them.

Most campaigns don't care. If there's no repercussions why would they? If shitcoin campaigns started having their threads here trashed and accounts banned I'm sure they'd soon change their ways because it would severely restrict their cash cow. These scam ICOs are regularly taking in millions of dollars in funding and it's all promoted by spammers destroying the forum in the process.

Up until today, even after discussing issues with theymos for (a total of) several hours in the last year or so, I can't understand his stance/view on this issue.

I have no idea either. He either doesn't really care, doesn't have time or would rather let the forum/community largely run itself (straight into the ground).

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July 08, 2017, 01:36:22 PM
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If I had my way any problem campaign would be given a warning and would have few days to clean up their campaign and PM me a list of removed users. If people were still spamming/copying and pasting etc all their bounty and announcement threads would be trashed and their accounts would be banned.
If I may ask, why don't you have your way?

I don't think that this proposal is something controversial, especially considering that these campaigns are incentivising people to break the rules of the forum.
When those of a higher power have shown by lack of action that they couldn't care less about this, does it not then fall to the responsibility of the next in power (yourself and other global moderators/staff members) to take action?


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July 08, 2017, 04:52:54 PM
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If I had my way any problem campaign would be given a warning and would have few days to clean up their campaign and PM me a list of removed users. If people were still spamming/copying and pasting etc all their bounty and announcement threads would be trashed and their accounts would be banned.
If I may ask, why don't you have your way?

I don't think that this proposal is something controversial, especially considering that these campaigns are incentivising people to break the rules of the forum.
When those of a higher power have shown by lack of action that they couldn't care less about this, does it not then fall to the responsibility of the next in power (yourself and other global moderators/staff members) to take action?

Theymos is the boss. I'm not about to start a mutiny especially for something that is just going to up my workload and cause me nothing but stress and headaches. I can't do anything without his help anyway because it's futile trashing threads or banning accounts when they'll just run the campaigns off site hence why their signatures need to be blacklisted.

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July 09, 2017, 03:28:58 PM
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No, I don't think it should be banned.
People have their own selfish desires.
Well basically I've learned about this forum because of my friend's experience with signature campaign.
I myself intend to earn while talking about something informative.
We earn while we learn so it's two birds in one stone.

I've learned a lot in this forum too

Sometimes I just read here when I have financial problems.
Surprisingly there are threads here related to it.

So, i dont agree on banning all signature campaigns..
It's our bread and butter.

It's disheartening though that people are abusing such feature.
Well if you see one just report them..
Or ignore?

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July 09, 2017, 03:59:00 PM
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If I had my way any problem campaign would be given a warning and would have few days to clean up their campaign and PM me a list of removed users.
That's a big IF with the current state of affairs.

If people were still spamming/copying and pasting etc all their bounty and announcement threads would be trashed and their accounts would be banned.
I would not be able to say no to that.

Several new campaigns pop up every month and this is going to get worse the more people realise you can literally get paid millions of dollars for nothing but coming up with a half-assed Ann thread.
You can literally scam millions of dollars is what you've wanted to say.

I have no idea either. He either doesn't really care, doesn't have time or would rather let the forum/community largely run itself (straight into the ground).
It doesn't look like theymos keeps anyone in the loop anymore. If he doesn't care or doesn't have the time, he should let this place get managed by someone else.


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I have no idea either. He either doesn't really care, doesn't have time or would rather let the forum/community largely run itself (straight into the ground).
It doesn't look like theymos keeps anyone in the loop anymore. If he doesn't care or doesn't have the time, he should let this place get managed by someone else.
That's what he did actually because if not then he would be the one and only admin out there. Cyrus is promoted to be the co-admin because he knows that he doesn't have time for that or just simply he don't care much.

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July 10, 2017, 08:27:08 AM
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That's what he did actually because if not then he would be the one and only admin out there.
No, that's not what he did.

Cyrus is promoted to be the co-admin because he knows that he doesn't have time for that or just simply he don't care much.
Thanks for telling me this, I was certainly not aware of someone getting promoted to an admin when I was a staff member. Roll Eyes When it comes to making new policies and whatnot, Cyrus is useless. He is there for account recovery and some complex cases which outrank hilariousandco. He is most certainly not managing this forum.


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July 12, 2017, 02:54:59 PM
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Instead of banning signature campaigns, there should be more rules in place about it.

I think the best way to combat it would be to make the campaign manager more responsible for checking post quality of the sig campaign members. For example, instead of waiting a whole week to kick someone frorm a campaign, they shoould be kicked for spam within 3 days days.

Say they get a warning the first day, and if their post quality does not improve by the 3rd day they are kicked.

I think waiting a week to kick someone is what makes it seem like there is too much spam floating around. To me it seems like it would take the same amount of time for managing the campaign, you just have to look at it more often.

Not sure specfically how it would go or what number of days is good, but what I am ultimately saying is campaign managers sohuld kick people faster than they are(though some do but not most). Then leave a person negative feedback and put how their post quality is bad(or maybe nuetral feedback).



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July 12, 2017, 03:27:24 PM
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You definitely have a point when it comes to people that should be kicked off the campaign way sooner, but in order to make a significant impact, managers (I understand it's time intensive) should not accept anyone automatically in the first place. In case of Bitmixer it's fully automated, which will likely not change, but the positive aspect here is that Lauda will kick the spammers off anyway. Another thing I noticed is that when certain people do join Bitmixer, their post quality changes drastically (in a positive way) due to the strict and authoritative managing style of Lauda.

If we look at the main source of the flood of spammers, then there should be far more time and attention invested in altcoin and ico campaigns. Nowadays the majority of the gibberish posted comes from people related to these campaigns....

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July 14, 2017, 03:48:44 PM
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You definitely have a point when it comes to people that should be kicked off the campaign way sooner, but in order to make a significant impact, managers (I understand it's time intensive) should not accept anyone automatically in the first place. In case of Bitmixer it's fully automated, which will likely not change, but the positive aspect here is that Lauda will kick the spammers off anyway. Another thing I noticed is that when certain people do join Bitmixer, their post quality changes drastically (in a positive way) due to the strict and authoritative managing style of Lauda.

If we look at the main source of the flood of spammers, then there should be far more time and attention invested in altcoin and ico campaigns. Nowadays the majority of the gibberish posted comes from people related to these campaigns....

Yes Iagree with this statement.

It seems to be that the Bitmixer campaign does really well due to the amount of time Lauda is able to put in. I see that Lauda also runs other campaigns very well and other services.

Maybe Lauda can run a course on how to be a good campaign manager, and maybe if someone wants to be a campaign manager they need to learn through a course before they are allowed to run a campaign. One can dream, but it would be a nice thing Ithink, if people had to pay 20 bucks of BTC to get some lessons and are "certified" or someting. Would help cut down on spam and posts quality go up Smiley



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July 14, 2017, 08:10:55 PM
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If I had my way any problem campaign would be given a warning and would have few days to clean up their campaign and PM me a list of removed users. If people were still spamming/copying and pasting etc all their bounty and announcement threads would be trashed and their accounts would be banned.
If I may ask, why don't you have your way?

I don't think that this proposal is something controversial, especially considering that these campaigns are incentivising people to break the rules of the forum.
When those of a higher power have shown by lack of action that they couldn't care less about this, does it not then fall to the responsibility of the next in power (yourself and other global moderators/staff members) to take action?

Theymos is the boss. I'm not about to start a mutiny especially for something that is just going to up my workload and cause me nothing but stress and headaches. I can't do anything without his help anyway because it's futile trashing threads or banning accounts when they'll just run the campaigns off site hence why their signatures need to be blacklisted.
Don't you guys have online meetings to discuss the issues at hand? If Theymos is so liberal and doesn't want to interfere, he should at least support democracy and let his staff decide. I mean it isn't that difficult to give warnings to campaign managers that allow mass spam and account farming, or is it?


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Days on end wasted scrolling through nonsensical, unoriginal and distasteful posts.

Members spamming the community with comments to advance their sig campaign earnings, prostituting themselves for pathetic amounts of Bitcoin.

It's a plague and it must end.


Discuss.
Why don't you just ask to ban all of the spammer instead of asking to stop all of the signature campaigns,
Or are you mad because some manager didn't accept you in their campaign?

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July 15, 2017, 03:20:30 AM
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Days on end wasted scrolling through nonsensical, unoriginal and distasteful posts.

Members spamming the community with comments to advance their sig campaign earnings, prostituting themselves for pathetic amounts of Bitcoin.

It's a plague and it must end.


Discuss.
Why don't you just ask to ban all of the spammer instead of asking to stop all of the signature campaigns,
Or are you mad because some manager didn't accept you in their campaign?

Because the level of spam coming from signature campaigns is unmanageable. You need to tackle the problem at the source. It's no good cutting the heads off a field full of weeds when they'll just spring right back. You need to nuke the entire field with weed killer. You need to destroy the root of the problem and that is currently lazy campaigns paying spammers. This is wholly the campaigns fault because if they didn't pay for shitposts nobody would be making them so if they continue to do this they need to go.

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