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⚉ High-end bots synergy ⚉ >> Updated:09/01/2018 >> Augmented, Cloud, AI and ++



TABLE OF CONTENT

1.TRADING BOTS
1.1CRYPTO-PHP
1.1.1DEFAULT MODE
1.2ARBI
1.3HAASBOT
1.3.1INTELLI ALICE
1.3.2ORDER BOT
2.WISHLIST
3.HISTORY
4.MY TELEGRAM GROUPS/CHANNEL
5.ANGEL HELPERS



1. TRADING BOTS

1.1 🤖 CRYPTO-PHP 🤖

1.1.1 🤖 DEFAULT MODE 🤖

🤖 How to find better settings? 🤖

1. Analyzing trend

The first factor to take into account in CRYPTO-PHP settings when using "Default mode" must be the altcoins trend. This mode must not be run in a downwards trend (except when using CRYPTO-PHP add-ons, see 1.1.2 chapter). In my experience, a comfortable method to determine the current altcoin trend is to visit Coinmarketcap and compare the red Change (24h) values to the green ones. Trades are like a river. This river has two properties: direction and speed. Direction could be "downwards" while speed could be "hard downwards" if this river of trades flows fast down (so-called crash) or "light downwards" if flows slowly down. The more "-" are among Change (24h) values the more likely that trend has downwards direction. The more negative the values are, the harder the trend is.

2. Starting in the right time

Using the Coinmarketcap example at the step 1, the longer the green changes are, the safer to start CRYPTO-PHP in Default mode.  

3. Cutting the loss short

The trends are going to change. A CRYPTO-PHP bot started in the right time (see the step 2) is going to meet a downwards trend sooner or later. Besides the values of the Coinmarketcap example (see step 1 and 2), a sympthom of a downwards trend could be the positions turning red. By my reckoning, it is very easy to choose doing nothing. There is a mental trick to break free from this "being stuck with losses" illusion. Red orders are losses already. Cutting losses short is my suggestion. In the CRYPTO-PHP Default mode, cutting losses short is selling all orders (even if loss) and shutting down CRYPTO-BOT then returning to step 1.

The evolution from steps 1 to 3 is iterative. Way I see it, the user may get better at cutting losses short in red market, entering early in green market.

1.1.2 🤖 THIRD PARTY ADD-ONS 🤖

What is a CRYPTO-PHP add-on?

To quote BiLLY CRYPTO-PHP creator:

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It's a tool created by an user

The CRYPTO-PHP add-ons I created are found there:
Here are some Sophisticated Technology Mods for » CRYPTO-PHP



1.2 ▲ ARBI ▲

How to find better settings?

1. Setting all the settings to the most aggressive

It is possible to do it manually in the graphical user interface,

or simply overwrite the content of the corresponding file with the following code

config-Okex.json

Code:
{"ethPairs":true,"usdtPairs":true,"btcPairs":false,"excludedPairs":"HOT_ETH TIO_ETH","tickerCheckInterval":15000,"dynamicStartBalance":true,"balancePerTrade":0.031,"baseCurrency":"BTC","pair1PriceBuy":0,"pair1PriceSell":9,"pair2Price":0,"pair3Price":9,"pair1VolumeMultiplier":1,"pair2VolumeMultiplier":1,"pair3VolumeMultiplier":1}

config-Poloniex.json

Code:
{"xmr_Pairs":true,"eth_Pairs":true,"ticker_Check_Interval":15000,"excludedPairs":null,"dynamicStartBalance":true,"balancePerTrade":0.005,"pair1_Price":0,"pair2_Price":0,"pair3_Price":9,"pair1_Volume_Multiplier":1,"pair2_Volume_Multiplier":1,"pair3_Volume_Multiplier":1,"pair1_Trend_Mode":0,"pair2_Trend_Mode":0,"pair3_Trend_Mode":0,"trend_Monitor_Candle_Size":"5M","trend_Monitor_Periods":12,"profit_Monitor_Refresh_Rate":900000,"profit_Monitor_Stop_ROI":65000,"profit_Monitor_Time_Offset":0}

Now that there are indicators, which are the trades, it is viable to proceed with tests to find better settings.

2. Changing one setting at a time

In order to find better settings, changing only one setting at a time is important.
Before proceeding to the step 3, writing the current value of the setting to be changed and the expected results is critical.

For instance,

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I am going to change the Multiplier of Pair #3 from 1 to 15.
I expect to have more successful Triangular Arbitrages in the following eight hours.

3. Comparing results

If the results meet the expected results, the changed setting xor another one may be changed
else the setting that was changed must be restored to the previous value, see the note in Step 2.

Finding better settings is an iterative process, which is cycling between Step 2 and Step 3.

Main concerns and my solutions

  • Concern: Ending up having shitcoin bags after trading
  • Solution: The settings must be brought FURTHER than the most aggressive values, see the code blocks in the "How to find better settings?" section.

  • Concern: Not a single trade for days
  • Solution: The settings must be brought CLOSER than the most aggressive values, see the code blocks in the "How to find better settings?" section.

  • Concern: AV heuristically warns you about using the program
  • Solution: Add an exclusion for ARBI to the AV program - Detection is false positive.

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CodeX, [06.07.18 14:10]
[In reply to Mastermind]
This is a heuristic detection. The AV is not saying that the file is not safe, it is saying there exists a malicious file which the AV THINKS is similar to the scanned file. This is merely a warning, nothing horrible.

Tips

  • VPS time stealing is common, I suggest using dedicated server
  • I can use better prices in bullish market than in bearish/sideways markets because unfilled orders mean less risk due to market price fall in the bull
  • I can use better prices at Poloniex than at oKEX because there are less shit coins at Poloniex



1.3 ⚉ HAASBOT ⚉

1.3.1 ⚉ INTELLI ALICE ⚉

How to find better settings?

1. Analyzing prediction models

The more predictable a cryptocurrency price is, the less tinkering Haasbot Intelli Alice will feel necessity for later. In order to choose more predictable cryptocurrencies, the price movements over a time interval could be compared to the prediction models for that time interval. Prediction models are found at WalletInvestor. WalletInvestor is a handy example because for each cryptocurrency, it shows a prediction model and rates how accurately this prediction model has worked so far...

2. Inspecting real price movements

To quote @RusselRick, a valued Haasbot expert in my Telegram groups:

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RusselRick, [14.07.18 12:54]
[In reply to CodeX]
There is a really easy to grasp thing about Alice, you just need to do small mental trick

RusselRick, [14.07.18 12:55]
Think that Alice considering each trade combo (buy+sell) as a separate standalone one

Basically, from what @RusselRick says results that Alice could feel the necessity for some tinkering between a buy and a sell. When there is a large and unexpected (See the prediction model, Step 1.) price movement downwards after a buy, Alice waits until the price comes closer to the buy price.

What happens when the price does not come closer for a very long time?
When this very long time is like eternity?

The history of Alice could be cleared and have her restarted so the trading could go on.

The process that includes Step 1. and Step 2. is an iterative one. No one can predict future prices for sure. The ratings of prediction models should be checked every now and then, and if changes to the more unpredictable, a new pair for Alice could be selected.

⚉ Main concerns and my solutions ⚉

  • Concern: Not a sell after a buy for days while there was no major price movement downwards
  • Solution: Waiting more

  • Concern: Not a sell after a buy for days while there was a major price movement downwards
  • Solution: Selecting other exchange account and/or currency

⚉ Tips ⚉

  • Think long-term with Intelli Alice! She could be better than HODLing, but may occupy the allocated revenue for a long time before seeing profit.



1.3.2 ⚉ ORDER BOT ⚉

How to find better settings?

1. Paper trading

Before starting an Order Bot, all calculation must be done on paper. Testing the trading on paper first minimizes the probability of misconfiguration.
These calculations should be saved for later usage to compare them to the Logs of the Order Bot.

2. Translating paper trading into Order Bot trading

The input of an Order Bot is a sequence of orders. The trading in Step 1. must be translated into such a sequence where the orders are placed after each other linearly as what time order they should be placed in the exchange.

The Order Bot works well when the Logs match the expectations in the paper trading. Otherway, the bot should be stopped and the difference investigated.

⚉ Main concerns and my solutions ⚉

  • Concern: If ... else implementation
  • Solution: Haasbot Order Bot supports If conditions, so-called Trigger Settings, but not their else lines. When the direction of the execution of orders depends on conditions, to all possible direction a condition must be given.

  • Concern: Not enough funds
  • Solution: Haasbot Order Bot supposed to do automatically as much as you tell it to do manually - no more, no less. Thus, each calculation must be done on paper first, by the user, so does the fee calculation. The fee amount must be subtracted from the traded amount.

⚉ Tips ⚉

The main advantage of Haasbot Order Bot compared to manual trading is being able to do something else personally, like sleeping, when an order must be placed.

However, there are two more advantages that are worth thinking of:

One of these advantages is that the user's orders are invisible to outsiders until the appropriate Trigger Settings are met.
In this way, hiding the user's strategy from outsider analysis becomes much more easier.

Another advantage is that it is possible to place If control structures into the sequence, therefore it is possible to create pretty complex trading programs.



2. WISHLIST

Name of the botGot itThanks to... (Bitcointalk account)
ARBIYesbzcorp
HaasbotYesA friend without Bitcointalk account
CRYPTO-PHPYesCryptoPHP



3. HISTORY




4. MY TELEGRAM GROUPS/CHANNEL


5. ANGEL HELPERS

The following people, with 💸 after their usernames, demonstrated legit knowledge and experience in bots within one or more of the mentioned Telegram groups:

@RusselRick 🎓 💸
@imaster_mind
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@MetaAtman 💸
@RonaldPhone 💸
@Jorgemartinez 💸

The people with usernames in bold, and 🎓 after their usernames, are the most frequent helpers who demonstrated this week too that their knowledge is up to date.
(Today is 08/20/2018.)

Thank you for helping people!



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You should first list the exchanges each BOT is supporting whether is by default or optional (paying extra), the price, you should also reserve some posts on this thread to post the reviews of the people then link them. (take the reviews from the official bitcointalk threads of the bots). Finally, instead of using ****** to split between the different bots use this instead:

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You should first list the exchanges each BOT is supporting whether is by default or optional (paying extra), the price, you should also reserve some posts on this thread to post the reviews of the people then link them. (take the reviews from the official bitcointalk threads of the bots). Finally, instead of using ****** to split between the different bots use this instead:

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You should first list the exchanges each BOT is supporting whether is by default or optional (paying extra), the price, you should also reserve some posts on this thread to post the reviews of the people then link them. (take the reviews from the official bitcointalk threads of the bots). Finally, instead of using ****** to split between the different bots use this instead:

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Thank you for your suggestion! Good. I have added the supported exchanges. Also, replaced the starts with hrs. I appreciate any suggestion since I wish to "run" this thread up to date, not just a "post and go" message.


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Waow didn't know that there are softwares that can be use to trade crypto currencies, well i dont really know trading about trading stuff so the bot is practically useless to me even if i can set it up to my advantage. I tried trading before and i didn't really like it cause i end up losing money instead of gaining profit.
I would really appreciate if you are selling some ebooks about trading for dummies kinda books, by the way is the trading bot freeware or you need to nuy it in other to use it?
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Good idea to list out all the traders options that they can use and extremely good information. I think that a lot of people will find this resource useful.

So my understanding is that you are currently still working on the altcoin trading bots? Because I'm pretty sure that there is at least one or two more altcoin bots, it's not like three bots rule the entire market.

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[This is a reserved post to contain a review to one of the bots in the list. I will update this content with the review's text soon.]

Reviewed bot: HAASBOT
Original source of review: http://cryptocrooks.com/haasbot-bitcoin-bot-the-ultimate-in-automated-cryptocurrency-trading/#.WTOzOTW0d6Y

Review:

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We believe that haasbot, in the right hands, with the correct trade settings, market conditions permitting, is the ultimate bitcoin trading bot.”


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Reviewed bot: GUNBOT
Original source of review: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1715214.msg18216368#msg18216368
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So, I have been usiing bot for the last 25days, and just wanted to share my experience with it.

For the first few days, it was still an older version using 1000Trades strategy, and with me just started using bot it was a bit confusing to figure out what I should and what should not do, so I was a bit afraid so bot was given total of 0.01 BTC to operate with. It all went well, no negative sells, only gains...

A few days later a Supergun version was released, and to me it was much clearer how it operates, and how to set up... As I felt more confident I have started increasing amount of BTC that bot was operating with, ending with total of 0.5BTC

I never had any negative experience with bot, together with absolutely amazing support from Gunthar, who was more than helpful with explaining and helping in any way possible, I was starting to get really nice profits...

All I can say is that bot payed for it self more then double for the ~25 days of usage, and that I find amazing...

The other thing I can confirm, is that from all that users that are using this bot, I have not heard nothing but good words for how the bot behaves, and the way that Gunthar treats his customers... Really top notch

Just for the sake of confirmation, I'll attach some screenshots of the bot trades during last 20ish days...

Once again, I am really happy for deciding to buy this bot.


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Reviewed bot: C.A.T.
Original source of review: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507103.msg14194811#msg14194811
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Hello everybody,

This small post to show my satisfaction for purchasing this application. After a few days of operation, I obtained profits with few settings. This application is userfriendly , easy to understand , etc.

A French expression says " You can buy this application eyes closed ." With proper configuration and with markets with a large volume of trade , you will obtain gains.

I have only one regret: "why I haven't known this application earlier".

The "after-sales service" is also perfect (I had always great answers to my questions)

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Waow didn't know that there are softwares that can be use to trade crypto currencies, well i dont really know trading about trading stuff so the bot is practically useless to me even if i can set it up to my advantage. I tried trading before and i didn't really like it cause i end up losing money instead of gaining profit.
I would really appreciate if you are selling some ebooks about trading for dummies kinda books, by the way is the trading bot freeware or you need to nuy it in other to use it?
Thanks hope i get some response Smiley

No, you are not getting any response... damn, I have just given you one. Anyway, then let me explain   Tongue

There are "free" and paid trading bots, as well. Maybe, I will add a free/open-source category into the list later. However, you said that you had beginner experience in trading and paid bots usually offer better support and tutorials how you could trade with them. Trading is a bit like gambling. You do it for fun and expect to lose until you have enough experience to actually do it as a source of income. Bots help you automate the boring parts so you can focus on the exciting one and save you a part of your life Smiley

Good idea to list out all the traders options that they can use and extremely good information. I think that a lot of people will find this resource useful.

So my understanding is that you are currently still working on the altcoin trading bots? Because I'm pretty sure that there is at least one or two more altcoin bots, it's not like three bots rule the entire market.

Looking forward to the updated Smiley

Thank you! I am continually adding new bots into the list. If you ever came by one by chance, you could drop a message here and I would add it to the list. I am planning to turn this place a home for all bots whether they are BTC, alt or even FOREX.


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I am re-opening this list because of recovering demand. Check out the newest bot, Crypto-PHP! I, personally, will use this bot for a time. I am so excited to be able to write a personal feedback soon  Wink


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September 22, 2017, 12:40:31 PM
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There is this leonard bot I did not use the bot, so I can not say that it is a good bot or not.


bot thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1467939.0




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September 22, 2017, 12:43:00 PM
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Anyone using any of the above mentioned bots?
I'm interested in a bot that can be used for margin trading on Poloniex (or others of course) that not only watches the simple buy low, sell high, but watched other indicators - for example opens long trade whem Ichimoku + alligator + RSI + MACD +... are alligned and exits a positions when indicators confirm trend change etc. So a more advanced bot, that already has or it's possible to set those strategies.

I'd appreciate any insight on that.
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September 23, 2017, 08:34:41 PM
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It is good to have a thread like this for bots and I really hope it would help a whole lot of people. I have never tried bots anyway cause I have heard if you have no idea how to set it right, you may not be lucky. I am really looking forward to using one of them based on the reviews from users and I hope it serves well so at least one can have time to do other things. I also wish there can be a way one can get some easy settings for some of the bots for those who may have the difficulty in having their way around each cause from my research I didn't really see any of that. OP! Thanks a lot for this as it is of course a very lovely thread to add on watchlist and learn from each time.
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September 26, 2017, 02:08:26 PM
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I am using this one, its a Margin lending bot for BitFinex

MarginBot - A Bitfinex Margin Lending Management Bot - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=865250.200

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https://github.com/ccxt-dev/ccxt


https://github.com/butor/blackbird

blackbird thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985660.0





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September 26, 2017, 02:41:24 PM
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Hi all,

Interesting thread, I've been looking through a bit. Does anyone have experience using any of these trading bots? How much should one be trading with at any given time using these?

Any automated trading bot I've looked into previously, are all scams - do these crypto trading bots really work? If anyone has any helpful links I will be glad to look through them.

Thank you for the thread Smiley
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September 27, 2017, 12:21:25 AM
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Now I see it as the best gunbot I suggest you do.

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Does gunbot do advanced margin trading?
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I was so desperate that I have not seen any new reply that I forgot of this thread a bit. So sorry, guys! Certainly, I shall continue updating the thread. Just a bit later because after another 19 hours of work I feel a bit... sleepy Tongue


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September 30, 2017, 10:29:29 AM
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Is any of the available trading bots open-source?

ViaBTC recently released a whole exchange script as open-source. Therefore
I´m optimistic that a trading bot, which obviously is less advanced as a script than
an exchange, will be available as well.

Keep up the good work!


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