Who won the bet

[teeGUMES]

this is all just so when TMAN loses he can say it was because the community decided and not that he was a complete idiot for sending bitcoin without using escrow when no terms were agreed upon.

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[TMAN]

this is all just so when TMAN loses he can say it was because the community decided and not that he was a complete idiot for sending bitcoin without using escrow when no terms were agreed upon.

not at all - see unlike OG I trust the community to back what is right.

i'm not sour about .2 - i've spunked more than 10X that on raffle tickets here on a few occasions.  This is about OG being happy to self escrow a bet and showing his true side.

[wheelz1200]

Alright guys this i believe needs to be settle with the .4btc in a form of a donation to an international organization like the red cross.

Why?  Dicey bet.  OG you inherantly agreed to the bet when you accepted the funds, you never rejected them.  The "post a picture" was in reference to the couple posts referring to a timestamped photo.  Tman stated you have 1 hour which you replied " one hour is enough" (sorry on phone and busy cant quote everything).  With all of this the only terms you laid out were a full apology which tman denied and stated he would not do (except for the cas coins).  With his denial of that request you still accepted the funds/bet.

Though all of this was done with terms laying flat of what was expected, when it was expected (exact times), who would escrow.  A bet of .2btc would usually have all of this covered. Soooooo

I would either vote you give the btc back or throw in .2 and both of you donate to a good cause.

My 2 cents even though it probably doesnt matter

[teeGUMES]

this is all just so when TMAN loses he can say it was because the community decided and not that he was a complete idiot for sending bitcoin without using escrow when no terms were agreed upon.

not at all - see unlike OG I trust the community to back what is right.

i'm not sour about .2 - i've spunked more than 10X that on raffle tickets here on a few occasions.  This is about OG being happy to self escrow a bet and showing his true side.

yes ive asked where the comment is that he would self-escrow this bet in the other thread. still waiting for you to show me.

what i did read though was that OgNasty said self-escrowing was not smart and that he would prefer using another escrow agent other than Zepher. This was also a misunderstanding by himself but it did show that he was against the use of a self-escrow. He goes on to call it a "very serious offense" on the collectibles board. but then you think he agrees to it?

[OgNasty]

Just stop this bickering

Hey I'm with you.  All I did was agree with Blazed's statement and then TMAN spent 2 days trying to bash any project I'm a part of.  Please don't lump me being attacked and forced to provide responses with bickering.  This whole situation played out as far as I'm concerned.  I don't know why we're still discussing it.  TMAN just needs to accept reality and I'm willing to put this behind us.  Blame the people forcing me to post pictures of my holograms or face being branded a liar and saying I have to respond to them within certain time limits for causing this mess.  As usual, I'm on the defense from unfounded attacks.  Please, don't call it bickering and don't lump me in with TMAN.  That to me is excusing TMAN's behavior, and it is inexcusable.

[TMAN]

this is all just so when TMAN loses he can say it was because the community decided and not that he was a complete idiot for sending bitcoin without using escrow when no terms were agreed upon.

not at all - see unlike OG I trust the community to back what is right.

i'm not sour about .2 - i've spunked more than 10X that on raffle tickets here on a few occasions.  This is about OG being happy to self escrow a bet and showing his true side.

yes ive asked where the comment is that he would self-escrow this bet in the other thread. still waiting for you to show me.

what i did read though was that OgNasty said self-escrowing was not smart and that he would prefer using another escrow agent other than Zepher. This was also a misunderstanding by himself but it did show that he was against the use of a self-escrow. He goes on to call it a "very serious offense" on the collectibles board. but then you think he agrees to it?

he accepted my funds. so he accepted to be escrow - otherwise any other stand up member would of asked for a return address like Zepher did when he didnt want to escrow.

[Lauda]

Alright guys this i believe needs to be settle with the .4btc in a form of a donation to an international organization like the red cross.

Either something in that form or nullify the agreement and return funds. Either options are an easy out, and the latter would not lead to OgNasty suffering a *financial loss* due to this misunderstanding. However, as noted in the other thread:

Personal note: I don't see you having the decency for such action though.

[OgNasty]

he accepted my funds. so he accepted to be escrow - otherwise any other stand up member would of asked for a return address like Zepher did when he didnt want to escrow.

I didn't agree to be an escrow.  What kind of nonsense is that?  I agree to post a picture of the holograms for 0.2 BTC.  You sent me the 0.2 BTC.  I posted the pic of the holograms.  Case closed.

People should be asking themselves why the people involved are taking the sides they are, as it should be clear to any observer that I provided the requested picture of the holograms.  Never once have I been required to provide a time stamped picture on any sale I've had, but would do so if that's what it would take to get TMAN to admit he lost.  Although now he'd just say I didn't do it in time, so that should show you his intentions.  It isn't about me proving anything, it's about him starting drama to try and stir up mistrust in my products and services.

[TMAN]

he accepted my funds. so he accepted to be escrow - otherwise any other stand up member would of asked for a return address like Zepher did when he didnt want to escrow.

I didn't agree to be an escrow.  What kind of nonsense is that?  I agree to post a picture of the holograms for 0.2 BTC.  You sent me the 0.2 BTC.  I posted the pic of the holograms.  Case closed.

People should be asking themselves why the people involved are taking the sides they are, as it should be clear to any observer that I provided the requested picture of the holograms.  Never once have I been required to provide a time stamped picture on any sale I've had, but would do so if that's what it would take to get TMAN to admit he lost.  Although now he'd just say I didn't do it in time, so that should show you his intentions.  It isn't about me proving anything, it's about him starting drama to try and stir up mistrust in my products and services.

No we had a bet - i referred to a time stamped photo - proof that the coins today aren't peeled, you did not supply that. so I opened this poll and said let the community decide - you still wont let the community decide the winner of the bet.  Don't you trust this community? you don't trust them but they are expected to trust you?? or is it that you need the measly .2BTC ??

OG - everyone knows you will never admit when you are wrong, so let the community decide what is right.

[wttbs]

Damn... I am running out of popcorn 

[TMAN]

Damn... I am running out of popcorn 

its funny isn't it. i'm laughing here at how slippery OG has become, maybe he really is skint - I mean he had to get nasty fans to pay for some solar panels in his house

[OgNasty]

Damn... I am running out of popcorn 

its funny isn't it. i'm laughing here at how slippery OG has become, maybe he really is skint - I mean he had to get nasty fans to pay for some solar panels in his house

Why do you think NastyFans paid for my solar panels?  You know I paid for them right?  I literally sold my personal assets to pay for them.  They are mine.  I've always paid all the electrical costs out of pocket and the solar panels were no different...  I donate money to NastyFans, it isn't the other way around.

[TMAN]

Alright guys this i believe needs to be settle with the .4btc in a form of a donation to an international organization like the red cross.

Why?  Dicey bet.  OG you inherantly agreed to the bet when you accepted the funds, you never rejected them.  The "post a picture" was in reference to the couple posts referring to a timestamped photo.  Tman stated you have 1 hour which you replied " one hour is enough" (sorry on phone and busy cant quote everything).  With all of this the only terms you laid out were a full apology which tman denied and stated he would not do (except for the cas coins).  With his denial of that request you still accepted the funds/bet.

Though all of this was done with terms laying flat of what was expected, when it was expected (exact times), who would escrow.  A bet of .2btc would usually have all of this covered. Soooooo

I would either vote you give the btc back or throw in .2 and both of you donate to a good cause.

My 2 cents even though it probably doesnt matter

bets are fun dude - you know what Id be happy to donate the whole lot to charity - wikileaks is a great cause - although I would be surprised if OG would go along with that, we all know he doesn't like to back down.

[TMAN]

Damn... I am running out of popcorn 

its funny isn't it. i'm laughing here at how slippery OG has become, maybe he really is skint - I mean he had to get nasty fans to pay for some solar panels in his house

Why do you think NastyFans paid for my solar panels?  You know I paid for them right?  I literally sold my personal assets to pay for them.  They are mine.  I've always paid all the electrical costs out of pocket and the solar panels were no different...  I donate money to NastyFans, it isn't the other way around.

you mean you sold some seats to a member - the seats are probably worth a lot less now than when you sold them to him and you now get free electricity at home! yay!

[TheNewAnon135246]

I don't want to get involved in this but I don't think a poll is a way to settle this. It's easy to use alt accounts and cast multiple votes (or just vote for the person you dislike).

[OgNasty]

you mean you sold some seats to a member - the seats are probably worth a lot less now than when you sold them to him

Ya, blood in the streets!

[HabBear]

Why?  Dicey bet.  OG you inheraently agreed to the bet when you accepted the funds, you never rejected them. The "post a picture" was in reference to the couple posts referring to a timestamped photo. Tman stated you have 1 hour which you replied " one hour is enough" (sorry on phone and busy cant quote everything). With all of this the only terms you laid out were a full apology which tman denied and stated he would not do (except for the cas coins).  

Then the hour would start when OG accepted the funds (and therefore agreed to the terms), which was at 17:06 forum time. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1945817.msg19329964#msg19329964).

OG posted the pics at 17:51 forum time. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1944803.msg19330663#msg19330663)

Within 1 hour of the time the transaction was confirmed and the bet was agreed to.


EDIT: This does not account for the request for a timestamped picture. I don't see any confirmation from OG agreeing to that term because while he said "an hour is enough time" he also added a new term for an apology to the Nasty Fans Club...which TMAN refused.

[TheNewAnon135246]

Why?  Dicey bet.  OG you inheraently agreed to the bet when you accepted the funds, you never rejected them. The "post a picture" was in reference to the couple posts referring to a timestamped photo. Tman stated you have 1 hour which you replied " one hour is enough" (sorry on phone and busy cant quote everything). With all of this the only terms you laid out were a full apology which tman denied and stated he would not do (except for the cas coins).  

Then the hour would start when OG accepted the funds (and therefore agreed to the terms), which was at 17:06 forum time. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1945817.msg19329964#msg19329964).

OG posted the pics at 17:51 forum time. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1944803.msg19330663#msg19330663)

Within 1 hour of the time the transaction was confirmed and the bet was agreed to.

You are ignoring the time-stamped bit. Tman asked for a time-stamped picture twice before there was an agreement.

[TMAN]

you mean you sold some seats to a member - the seats are probably worth a lot less now than when you sold them to him

Ya, blood in the streets!

blood in the streets? you have been watching too many gangster films,

you do realize this is a bitcoin forum don't you? I invest here to get more bitcoins not less.. What about this simple fact don't you get? people invest bitcoins to get more bitcoins, who gives a fuck about a currency like the $ now? your president is as deluded as you are. fuck I bet you were a trump supporter yourself..

watch out for the Mexicans.... build the wall

[TMAN]

Why?  Dicey bet.  OG you inheraently agreed to the bet when you accepted the funds, you never rejected them. The "post a picture" was in reference to the couple posts referring to a timestamped photo. Tman stated you have 1 hour which you replied " one hour is enough" (sorry on phone and busy cant quote everything). With all of this the only terms you laid out were a full apology which tman denied and stated he would not do (except for the cas coins).  

Then the hour would start when OG accepted the funds (and therefore agreed to the terms), which was at 17:06 forum time. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1945817.msg19329964#msg19329964).

OG posted the pics at 17:51 forum time. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1944803.msg19330663#msg19330663)

Within 1 hour of the time the transaction was confirmed and the bet was agreed to.

the pictures didn't have the date on them buddy, please read the thread and notice that I requested proof it was today that the picture was taken not once but twice.