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May 04, 2013, 09:16:39 PM
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The only use of paypal to Bitcoin is to be used like a scrow, just like they are doing now with fiat money.

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May 04, 2013, 11:08:25 PM
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The only use of paypal to Bitcoin is to be used like a scrow, just like they are doing now with fiat money.

Yeah why don't they just gradually change their business model. First they could accept Bitcoin alongside the service they already provide, then they could offer escrow and with their massive user base become one of the major escrow services.

Not necessarily saying this is going to happen, but I find it annoying to read the posts saying 'bitcoin would destroy paypal therefore no chance of adoption'. Bitcoin would destroy paypal's current business model, but many businesses adapt and survive when disruptive technologies are created.
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May 05, 2013, 12:53:26 AM
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I would LOVE to see this actually go through. It would be amazing for Bitcoin.
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May 05, 2013, 01:03:13 AM
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I highly doubt paypal will pick up bitcoin at this moment, once bitcoin picks up more steam though, it will be impossible for them to ignore it.

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May 05, 2013, 01:13:32 AM
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I don't see Paypal adopting bitcoin either.

What we really need is an Ebay alternative that uses bitcoins. A lot of people don't like Ebay (myself included) but begrudgingly endure it because they have basically cornered the internet auction market. There is a huge opportunity there.

There used to be a site called bidpond, back at the beginning of bitcoin.  Apparently it died.  I bet if you set up a bitcoin auction house you could make a lot of money.  I might even try doing that.

 
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May 05, 2013, 07:55:14 AM
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I agree, BTC can do nothing but help to destroy Paypal. The CEO said it could be a funding mechanism for Paypal??? Is it really a problem to fun Paypal accounts?

You are confusing something. Bitcoin may destroy the current business model of PP. But why PP itself? I think Bitcoin is a dream come true for hedge funds, investment banks, and yes, payment processors.

After reading this article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2013/05/04/bitcoin-on-the-paypal-network/ I tend to now agree with you, at least I'm a bit mixed.
There were some points brought up that were obvious but I had never thought of. I strongly recommend people to have a look at the article.

A key section imo (my bold):

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Phil Archer writing at The Genesis Block categorized the four areas of likely impact — online wallets, escrow services, merchant processing, and exchange services. PayPal account funding alone is not exactly bitcoin sitting on the PayPal payments network, so that use case is not included in the analysis. Archer concludes that PayPal’s immediate advantage would be in the first two areas with eventual game-changing impact probable in the latter two.

While I tend to agree with the category choices, the analysis overlooks what the PayPal-Bitcoin world would not be getting (or, what it would be losing).

Firstly for the consumers, the new PayPal paradigm would look like a Coinbase on steroids with massive connectivity into your bank accounts and even more intrusive data collection. As a fully-regulated money services business (MSB) and licensed money transmitter, PayPal would be the undisputed gorilla in the U.S. marketplace with online wallets and fast exchange services. Of course, escrow services would be welcomed because this model is almost always needed in a free market and banks could look to provide this functionality as well.

It is not all rosy, but Paypal might help to direct more funds and eyes towards BTC.

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May 05, 2013, 09:02:50 AM
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I read all these threads about PayPal and Bitcoin and can't help but think of the correlation between postal services and email. Yes, Bitcoin is a bit technical to use at this point, just as email was during its infancy. Few people used it partly for that reason and partly because it was an emerging technology. But that will change in time. Bitcoin will continue to emerge and develop into a more user friendly application. Companies like PayPal will have to focus on providing other services. Who uses a postal service to send their email after all?

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May 05, 2013, 09:09:32 AM
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Yeah, century. This is correct. Paypal and Bitcoin are so different, so they can not cooperate in any way.

Paypal can't cooperate with cash. But why exactly can't they cooperate with Bitcoin?
You should ask this in Newbies section.

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May 05, 2013, 09:33:46 AM
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Its inevitable that paypal will accept bitcoin as they will feel the pressure from the protocol itself and from competitors. This is the reason they arent talking badly about bitcoin - they know they need to co-opt it or die. you dont have C-levels of a company calling it "the perfect form of money" without plans for it. The question is what exactly do they plan with it. It could be as simple as another wallet or as complicated as a full blown exchange... only time will tell and my guess is that it won't take much before we see what form it will take.

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May 05, 2013, 04:36:17 PM
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I read all these threads about PayPal and Bitcoin and can't help but think of the correlation between postal services and email. Yes, Bitcoin is a bit technical to use at this point, just as email was during its infancy. Few people used it partly for that reason and partly because it was an emerging technology. But that will change in time. Bitcoin will continue to emerge and develop into a more user friendly application. Companies like PayPal will have to focus on providing other services. Who uses a postal service to send their email after all?

Postal service is mostly for sending things which are too official for e-mail nowadays, and, of course, shipping goods.

 
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May 05, 2013, 04:42:17 PM
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Bitcoin will be good for paypal, i don't see it destroying their business model at all, it can infact complement it once proper infrastructure is in place. Fiat will still be large scale it's not going anywhere for now, so their fiat revenue will continue.

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May 05, 2013, 04:52:25 PM
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I don't see them ever legitimizing BTC. Why would they? Just shortening their lifespan.

Quite possible. It depends on whether they feel they run an empire or a company.

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May 05, 2013, 07:57:41 PM
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What a stupid herd...

Paypal ceo in somewhat long interview told for 10 seconds that he likes bitcoin design.

This is all. Nothing more. I tell this to my friends every time.

All other - sick imagination.

Paypal and others are legal payment systems which require full client identification. They are absolutely not compatible in any way with Bitcoin. Bitcoin is from another planet. Or even from another galaxy.

I'll except myself from that generalisation thank you.

PayPal, Western Union or whoever could easily put a wrapper around Bitcoin transactions and maintain their modus operandi.

They could own a chunk of BTC themselves for example - come on, stretch your brain a little and don't be as stupid as you accuse others of being.

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May 05, 2013, 08:14:16 PM
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The only reason I see PayPal offering some sort of BTC service is if it won't make money (not popular enough, used enough etc) AND BTC price would have to be relatively stable (like fiat).

PP could easily offer a bitpay type service...  Where they don't deal specifically with holding and training BTC but convert it to fiat, just like they do to other fiat.
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May 06, 2013, 10:16:48 AM
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Paypal might be able to lower its spending on human resources by using the Bitcoin infrastructure and dissolving/shrinking some of its existing departments.

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May 06, 2013, 10:45:53 AM
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The PayPal president David Marcus mentioned in an interview that he is currently thinking about bitcoin and pondering the thought of using it for funding.

My first thought was that he was just stonewalling and spreading false information to confuse and stall, because bitcoin is a threat to PayPal.

As far as eBay transactions are concerned, even a total switch from the current PayPal system to bitcoin would not diminish eBay's profits, because they could still take their high percentages on each sale. They could use bitcoin along with traditional money and profit just like before.

However, PayPal is currently trying to expand its business to non-eBay transactions, in effect trying to become a new global player in the money transfer field. They could kiss that business goodbye, as soon as people noticed that with bitcoin they would not need PayPal any more.

Has anybody followed PayPal's global plans and can comment on these thoughts?
1.) He only said they were considering it. Why should that be false information?
2.) They weigh these issues: making a competitor more popular vs. making money from accepting Bitcoin

Even if they would convert Bitoin into PayPal USD for free they would still make a ton of profit from their horrendous fees. If they would let you convert on demand it might be really useful, somewhat similar to a Bitcoin credit card.

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