[Auction closed] 0.5 & 1 BTC funded 2014 NOLAcoin

[realGodwine]

So here are my issues with the paranoia suspicions:
1. If Greenplastic is guilty, why would he hack the sellers account when greenplastic is the one sending the BTC? The seller wasn't going to send the item without payment so unless his plan was to guilt Godwine into sending the coins (a stupid plan) it makes no sense. Instead if his intent was to scam this auction he would have rather NOT won the auction, then hack Godwine and divert the buyer's BTC payment to himself.

2. If Godwine is guilty, why would he still be be posting on these forums? He would have had the BTC sent to him either way, and his reputation is totally ruined anyways for trading purposes. What is the point in trying to defend his name if it was just about the scam?

I think the most likely event is that some third party simply fished out Godwine's password as previously described, and is causing both parties to implode into paranoia right now as a consequence.

I think this is a very good sum up of the situation. As you say, I doubt anyone has the intention of trading with me here anymore, so I'm mainly staying to explain the way I see things. I've also spent a lot of time and attention to these forums lately, and it saddens me that nothing came of this auction, and it would end in such a way. For that I apologize to all participants.

I know the suspicions I raised earlier are extremely serious. That is why I want senior participants to be aware of them, and give greenplastic a chance to give brief answers/proofs to the issues I raised.

I at least get the feeling greenplastic didn't want to do the transaction for some reason or another. Me requiring a trusted set up with minerjones might not have been that reason.

[wheelz1200]

There are two outcomes

1- the op got fished and a well respected member got taken for a decent amount of bitcoin

2- the op had something to do with this as far as claiming he got hacked.

Those in my head are the only 2 things that happened.  Period.

[realGodwine]

There are two outcomes

1- the op got fished and a well respected member got taken for a decent amount of bitcoin

Well, thats what I'm asking for proof of! A simple txid + the original messages from the scammer. If admins here can check inbox messages and confirm this then the case would be "solved". Why would greenplastic claim he sent the BTC if he didn't? Not necessarily to guilt trip me into sending him coins, but to get out of this deal when he got cold feet for some reason.

[wheelz1200]

There are two outcomes

1- the op got fished and a well respected member got taken for a decent amount of bitcoin

Well, thats what I'm asking for proof of! A simple txid + the original messages from the scammer. If admins here can check inbox messages and confirm this then the case would be "solved". Why would greenplastic claim he sent the BTC if he didn't? Not necessarily to guilt trip me into sending him coins, but to get out of this deal when he got cold feet for some reason.

Look this will be my last post on here but cold feet.  No.  You are reaching.  Something happened here and it wasnt gp backing out.  I will leave this up to you guys but backing out of this deal is not what happened here.  Will let you guys settle how this gets played out but i  know where i stand on this.

[realGodwine]

There are two outcomes

1- the op got fished and a well respected member got taken for a decent amount of bitcoin

Well, thats what I'm asking for proof of! A simple txid + the original messages from the scammer. If admins here can check inbox messages and confirm this then the case would be "solved". Why would greenplastic claim he sent the BTC if he didn't? Not necessarily to guilt trip me into sending him coins, but to get out of this deal when he got cold feet for some reason.

Look this will be my last post on here but cold feet.  No.  You are reaching.  Something happened here and it wasnt gp backing out.  I will leave this up to you guys but backing out of this deal is not what happened here.  Will let you guys settle how this gets played out but i  know where i stand on this.

Well, I might be reaching, I'm truly not sure, that is why I'm letting you guys decide. Believe me, I'm doing this for you guys, not for myself.
But dont you agree its weird if greenplastic has sent several bitcoin to a completely new member without an escrow?
I'm off for the night as well. I hope greenplastic will have answered the very simple questions he has avoided many times when I get back. If he does this to a satisfying degree, I will log off and never bother anyone here again. Until then I feel some form of explanations is needed.

[TMAN]

GP is a deity in this place, his integrity is without question. If you got hacked it is on you and you either owe GP a delivery or a refund. Your own account security is your own responsibility

[FFrankie]

GP is a deity in this place, his integrity is without question. If you got hacked it is on you and you either owe GP a delivery or a refund. Your own account security is your own responsibility

Can someone help me understand why GP did not use escrow? for a newbi account with no trust.

[notserp]

There are two outcomes

1- the op got fished and a well respected member got taken for a decent amount of bitcoin

2- the op had something to do with this as far as claiming he got hacked.

Those in my head are the only 2 things that happened.  Period.

i think #1 is what happened but why would gp send 3.5 first to a newbie

[realGodwine]

GP is a deity in this place, his integrity is without question. If you got hacked it is on you and you either owe GP a delivery or a refund. Your own account security is your own responsibility

Like I've said earlier, I understand I'm the weaker, and less trusted part, in this situation. It truly is a David versus Goliath battle. Therefore I please ask you to look at the facts at hand, and not only the reputation of the userhandle. I could have just left if I really scammed someone, or tried to and was exposed, but I'm not and are never going to. I stay because I want senior members to stay careful while dealing with greenplastic in the future, at least until he disproves my allegations.

GP is a deity in this place, his integrity is without question. If you got hacked it is on you and you either owe GP a delivery or a refund. Your own account security is your own responsibility

Can someone help me understand why GP did not use escrow? for a newbi account with no trust.

This! This is what I can't fathom as well. Why would he ever do that?

There are two outcomes

1- the op got fished and a well respected member got taken for a decent amount of bitcoin

2- the op had something to do with this as far as claiming he got hacked.

Those in my head are the only 2 things that happened.  Period.

i think #1 is what happened but why would gp send 3.5 first to a newbie

That's the central question, and if he can answer that I will believe he was indeed scammed, as he is trying to make the community believe. The way I see it there are now three possibilities:

1) greenplastic tried to scam me. Even with an escrow, the escrow would probably have sided with him, and not released any funds to me, if I sent the coins and he claimed I didn't. He got cold feet when I suggested we used minerjones reshipping service (as this would make such a scam attempt impossible).

2) greenplastic is compromised. Someone else is in possesion of his account as of typing. This would explain the silence and reluctance to give answers to very simple questions.
 
3) greenplastic was indeed scammed, and I'm making a shit load of drama out of nothing. In this case it should be easy for him to publicly disclose the used btc address as well as the messages he recieved from a scammer. These allegations could be disproven so easily, why aren't they?

[TMAN]

dude you are digging a hole here... GP is not the one who fucked up, it was you. your account security isnt up to scratch, End of - no other discussion.

so as the account is your responsibility you will need to send the coins or a refund to GP when he posts the TX of payment

[realediston]

That's the central question, and if he can answer that I will believe he was indeed scammed, as he is trying to make the community believe. The way I see it there are now three possibilities:

1) greenplastic tried to scam me. Even with an escrow, the escrow would probably have sided with him, and not released any funds to me, if I sent the coins and he claimed I didn't. He got cold feet when I suggested we used minerjones reshipping service (as this would make such a scam attempt impossible).

2) greenplastic is compromised. Someone else is in possesion of his account as of typing. This would explain the silence and reluctance to give answers to very simple questions.
 
3) greenplastic was indeed scammed, and I'm making a shit load of drama out of nothing. In this case it should be easy for him to publicly disclose the used btc address as well as the messages he recieved from a scammer. These allegations could be disproven so easily, why aren't they?

4) There was a battle of egos during bidding. In the heat of the 'bidding' the coins were bid for more than it shall be. Once the battle was over, bidder realized not worth it to honor the bid and was thinking for an excuse to get out of the deal. At the same time Godwine's account got hacked (by some hacker from china lol.. that's the url I got at least in my phishing email) and bidder saw an opportunity and casually (or sarcastically in bidder's mind ) posted 'I already paid'.

[teeGUMES]

You're both realTrash new members that should be left with 0 Bitcoin as you fell for the simplest of phishing attempts. I would not trust either of you realAwesome dudes with the responsibility of shipping properly or having my address on hand. Both of you are making a joke of new members coming to the Collectibles forum and attempting to sell coins.

These coins hardly ever come up for auction or sale on this forum, they weren't bid up artificially as it has been my goal to own all of the early coins. These looked in good condition and were a low number. Ive paid 2+ BTC in premium for other coins so I was willing to take it up to that point with these. As you can see gp has deeper pockets than me and I bowed out (I've seen his ruthlessness in other auctions)

You actually have no respect for the coin makers Godswine as you think it was a battle of ego rather than the coins' worth.(edit - this was realediston, but Godswine shares the same belief as he stated earlier I am in cahoots with greenplastic apparently) I don't even know why you would say something like that when you are the seller and should be reaping the premium if you weren't such a shitshow.

All in all I believe gp is probably embarrassed about the situation and may be prepared to take the loss as a lesson learned. That is if he didn't use escrow which it appears to be.

[Lutpin]

bidder realized not worth it to honor the bid and was thinking for an excuse to get out of the deal.

I've yet to see GP not honoring a bid he made. Keep it real.

[realediston]

You're both realTrash new members that should be left with 0 Bitcoin as you fell for the simplest of phishing attempts. I would not trust either of you realAwesome dudes with the responsibility of shipping properly or having my address on hand. Both of you are making a joke of new members coming to the Collectibles forum and attempting to sell coins.

These coins hardly ever come up for auction or sale on this forum, they weren't bid up artificially as it has been my goal to own all of the early coins. These looked in good condition and were a low number. Ive paid 2+ BTC in premium for other coins so I was willing to take it up to that point with these. As you can see gp has deeper pockets than me and I bowed out (I've seen his ruthlessness in other auctions)

You actually have no respect for the coin makers Godswine as you think it was a battle of ego rather than the coins' worth.(edit - this was realediston, but Godswine shares the same belief as he stated earlier I am in cahoots with greenplastic apparently) I don't even know why you would say something like that when you are the seller and should be reaping the premium if you weren't such a shitshow.

All in all I believe gp is probably embarrassed about the situation and may be prepared to take the loss as a lesson learned. That is if he didn't use escrow which it appears to be.

Chill bro. You shall be more relaxed.
I believe it is easy to call names like you are doing. I was just proposing another reason what it could be. By shouting or using foul words, and degrading us you are not helping anyone. You yourself have 0 Trust (btw). Stop calling people names.

You wrote 'Godswine as you think it was a battle of ego rather than the coins' worth. I don't even know why you would say something like that when you are the seller and should be reaping the premium if you weren't such a shitshow.' 
This is not appropriate, you cannot blame anyone. If he got phished that's a mistake. But I do not think you shall call some one names. Talk with reasons and evidence.

He was hoping to get a deal and now he has nothing. I am not taking sides. I am looking at the facts. I believe GP is a genuine guy but your words hurt people.

Anyways, I am out of this discussion. I hope truth will come out whatever it may be.

[BitcoinPenny]

GP is a deity in this place, his integrity is without question. If you got hacked it is on you and you either owe GP a delivery or a refund. Your own account security is your own responsibility

Well said. Agreed.

Me

[dazedfool]

Gotta say the timing and circumstance of this Godwine/realGodwine compromise smells scammy to me... If no then at minimum you n00bs need a class in internet common sense. Falling for simple phishing on a forum like this and you won't be holding on to your crypto for very long. 

Heart goes out to GP, you're a bro. I have a pitchfork if you need it

[Zepher]

I have been away the last couple of days for personal reasons, and I am sorry for the delay for posting here.

@realGodwine - When I was just a newbie, greenplastic trusted me as well with a large sum of BTC to purchase Casascius coins from me, with no escrow. So if he has said he has paid, he has paid. You need to understand that this is YOUR problem, not greenplastics. I cannot think of a more reputable buyer on this forum, and he is my go to guy when I have something special I want to sell. Not once have I ever had a problem with him, payment, or anything. Sorry, but accusing greenplastic of being dodgy is just out of order.

You will both know that I was negotiating for that 3 BTC NOLA on his behalf anyway, we might as well make that open now too. Now, if I had continued to negotiate (you wanted to deal direct.. fine no worries, your prerogative), greenplastic would have paid me, I would tell you to ship the coin to me, and once here I would have sent your BTC. But eh, according to your PM you are the victim of a keylogger or something, so I likely would have paid the wrong address anyway as the hacker watches and waits, and then I would have been neck deep in it too.

Overall, this is your problem, not greenplastics. If you wish to have to have any integrity left here, you would refund the BTC, or send the coin. Further, I am quite capable of getting that txid for you to prove he has sent payment.


What a total fuck up. I am so sorry greenplastic

[realGodwine]

4) There was a battle of egos during bidding. In the heat of the 'bidding' the coins were bid for more than it shall be. Once the battle was over, bidder realized not worth it to honor the bid and was thinking for an excuse to get out of the deal. At the same time Godwine's account got hacked (by some hacker from china lol.. that's the url I got at least in my phishing email) and bidder saw an opportunity and casually (or sarcastically in bidder's mind ) posted 'I already paid'.

Thank you for stepping up and at least partly believing me realediston!

I really just want to know the truth here as well. The theory you posted as "4)" might actually be what really happened here, or something close to it. I doubt greenplastic has direct control over my account, but at least someone does! Who here has the power to change/reset passphrases? I honestly want me to be wrong, and greenplastic to be right in this matter, I just still really doubt he sent lots of BTC to a untrusted first time seller.

when he posts the TX of payment

I'm looking forward to him posting the tx as well, I have been requesting this txid for nearly 24 hours now.

bidder realized not worth it to honor the bid and was thinking for an excuse to get out of the deal.

I've yet to see GP not honoring a bid he made. Keep it real.

Do you still think he is willing to honor the deal? I might be prone... I'm getting so frustrated here I really want to prove to the greater community that I didn't try to scam greenplastic or anyone else. How would that even be possible with my low trust rating? I'm sure no one here would send me payment first without escrow. If minerjones and greenplastic still are willing I will highly consider sending minerjones the coins, and he can check that they are as advertised. If they are, he can in turn sell them to greenplastic at the original bid. This will be a 100% safe process for both the buyer and me, the seller. If he truly want the coins at the rate he offered, he would accept this offer, as there is literally zero risk for him.

You're both realTrash new members that should be left with 0 Bitcoin as you fell for the simplest of phishing attempts.

These coins hardly ever come up for auction or sale on this forum, they weren't bid up artificially as it has been my goal to own all of the early coins. These looked in good condition and were a low number. Ive paid 2+ BTC in premium for other coins so I was willing to take it up to that point with these. As you can see gp has deeper pockets than me and I bowed out (I've seen his ruthlessness in other auctions)

You actually have no respect for the coin makers Godswine as you think it was a battle of ego rather than the coins' worth.(edit - this was realediston, but Godswine shares the same belief as he stated earlier I am in cahoots with greenplastic apparently) I don't even know why you would say something like that when you are the seller and should be reaping the premium if you weren't such a shitshow.

All in all I believe gp is probably embarrassed about the situation and may be prepared to take the loss as a lesson learned. That is if he didn't use escrow which it appears to be.

I know of the phishing attempt you and realediston are talking about (a PM message with a link allegedly reffering about one of my posts or something). I did not click that link, and quite certain I have been compromised in a different way.


I really try to not be a trash member by warning the other members of this community of a possible hacked/compromised/gone rogue account. You dont seem to have any trust rating yourself and could absolutely be a compromised account as well.

The offer I gave greenplastic stands for you as well. If you accept my minerjones offer and pay him your last bid in this auction, you would also prove you're not compromised/sockpuppet.

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If either user here (greenplastic or teeGUMES) accepts my offer I want all dealings to be done in public, including btc addresses, shipment details etc. Would also be nice if minerjones would chime in here.

I have been away the last couple of days for personal reasons, and I am sorry for the delay for posting here.

@realGodwine - When I was just a newbie, greenplastic trusted me as well with a large sum of BTC to purchase Casascius coins from me, with no escrow. So if he has said he has paid, he has paid. You need to understand that this is YOUR problem, not greenplastics. I cannot think of a more reputable buyer on this forum, and he is my go to guy when I have something special I want to sell. Not once have I ever had a problem with him, payment, or anything. Sorry, but accusing greenplastic of being dodgy is just out of order.

You will both know that I was negotiating for that 3 BTC NOLA on his behalf anyway, we might as well make that open now too. Now, if I had continued to negotiate (you wanted to deal direct.. fine no worries, your prerogative), greenplastic would have paid me, I would tell you to ship the coin to me, and once here I would have sent your BTC. But eh, according to your PM you are the victim of a keylogger or something, so I likely would have paid the wrong address anyway as the hacker watches and waits, and then I would have been neck deep in it too.

Overall, this is your problem, not greenplastics. If you wish to have to have any integrity left here, you would refund the BTC, or send the coin. Further, I am quite capable of getting that txid for you to prove he has sent payment.


What a total fuck up. I am so sorry greenplastic

Oh dear. If you say what is true, I'm really sorry for causing so much concern here. At this point I'm mostly interesten in the thruth to be honest. If you are capable of getting that txid, please do it, and please post it here publicly for everybody to see. I would also love to see the messages sent by the alleged scammer from my account. If this is posted, and especially if the admin confirms these messages were sent from my account, greenplastic was scammed, he is indeed telling the truth and my allegations can be dismissed entierly.

[Lutpin]

4) There was a battle of egos during bidding. In the heat of the 'bidding' the coins were bid for more than it shall be. Once the battle was over, bidder realized not worth it to honor the bid and was thinking for an excuse to get out of the deal. At the same time Godwine's account got hacked (by some hacker from china lol.. that's the url I got at least in my phishing email) and bidder saw an opportunity and casually (or sarcastically in bidder's mind ) posted 'I already paid'.

I really just want to know the truth here as well. The theory you posted as "4)" might actually be what really happened here, or something close to it. I doubt greenplastic has direct control over my account, but at least someone does!

Can we please stop putting the blame on long standing, trusted members of this community?
You fucked up and got your account compromised. That's not GPs fault and trying to frame him for it is a joke.

bidder realized not worth it to honor the bid and was thinking for an excuse to get out of the deal.

I've yet to see GP not honoring a bid he made. Keep it real.

Do you still think he is willing to honor the deal? I might be prone... I'm getting so frustrated here I really want to prove to the greater community that I didn't try to scam greenplastic or anyone else. How would that even be possible with my low trust rating? I'm sure no one here would send me payment first without escrow. If minerjones and greenplastic still are willing I will highly consider sending minerjones the coins, and he can check that they are as advertised. If they are, he can in turn sell them to greenplastic at the original bid. This will be a 100% safe process for both the buyer and me, the seller. If he truly want the coins at the rate he offered, he would accept this offer, as there is literally zero risk for him.

If GP already has paid for the coins (which I assume he did, we'll wait for a txid to confirm that), I don't see any reason why they should pay double for the coins,
since you're the one who failed to secure their account.
I've said it once and I will say it again, your actions here greatly define the way this community perceives you and the way they interact with you.
That's fuckup number 2, wonder how many more there will be.

If either user here (greenplastic or teeGUMES) accepts my offer I want all dealings to be done in public, including btc addresses, shipment details etc. Would also be nice if minerjones would chime in here.

Nobody in their right mind would agree to disclosing shipping information/tracking details in public.
We can do better than doxxing ourselves.

@realGodwine - When I was just a newbie, greenplastic trusted me as well with a large sum of BTC to purchase Casascius coins from me, with no escrow. So if he has said he has paid, he has paid. You need to understand that this is YOUR problem, not greenplastics. I cannot think of a more reputable buyer on this forum, and he is my go to guy when I have something special I want to sell. Not once have I ever had a problem with him, payment, or anything. Sorry, but accusing greenplastic of being dodgy is just out of order.

Overall, this is your problem, not greenplastics. If you wish to have to have any integrity left here, you would refund the BTC, or send the coin. Further, I am quite capable of getting that txid for you to prove he has sent payment.

Oh dear. If you say what is true, I'm really sorry for causing so much concern here. At this point I'm mostly interesten in the thruth to be honest. If you are capable of getting that txid, please do it, and please post it here publicly for everybody to see. I would also love to see the messages sent by the alleged scammer from my account. If this is posted, and especially if the admin confirms these messages were sent from my account, greenplastic was scammed, he is indeed telling the truth and my allegations can be dismissed entierly.

Z got no skin in this fight, they hence have no reason to lie.
By "my allegations can be dismissed entirely", you mean refunding GP or sending the coins, right?

[cryptovan]

You dont seem to have any trust rating yourself and could absolutely be a compromised account as well.

tl;dr teeGUMES does have a perfect trust rating, you just need to configure your trust settings to see it.

A short technical note:

You probably didn't configure your trust settings properly (go to a your trust page and click “Trust settings”). You need to add the users you trust to your trust list, or you will barely see any trust for regular members. A good start is to add a few widely trusted members (well-known escrows, for example). A whole new world (of trust) will open to you.

Good luck to those involed in this fiasco.