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June 18, 2017, 04:33:37 AM
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@Sithara007 didn't Janissaries started out as kidnapped Christian boys that were force converted and given military training? I wouldn't be surprised if there were other similar practices but that's the one the immediately comes to mind.

Yes.. the ISIS is following the same methodology. The formation of the Janissary Corps was like killing two birds with one stone. First, it strengthened the Ottoman army by increasing its size. Secondly, it reduced the size of the Christian population within the Ottoman Empire (mostly Greeks and Albanians, but later the recruitment was also drawn from Ukrainians, Bulgars, Southern Russians, Romanians, Yugoslavs, and Armenians)

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June 18, 2017, 05:39:13 AM
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Basically they take the poor ones and train them to be child soldiers. Then improve the persons standard of living while brainwashing them. Kind of draws a parallel towards how gangs and mobs are made to begin with born in a poor neighbourhood friend's join gang see their bling and get interested next thing you know part of the mafia.

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June 18, 2017, 11:58:03 AM
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Basically they take the poor ones and train them to be child soldiers. Then improve the persons standard of living while brainwashing them. Kind of draws a parallel towards how gangs and mobs are made to begin with born in a poor neighbourhood friend's join gang see their bling and get interested next thing you know part of the mafia.

And it is easier for kids to be brainwashed.  Also those who were came from poor family in Mindanao is being offered in exchange of education for their kids without knowing that they will become terrorist.  When you are poor you will always want to become rich, you always want to stop it.  
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June 18, 2017, 01:19:21 PM
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This is just so unfair! So inhumane! I would behead those mautes if myself if i had the chance to do so! But, i would torture them for 30 days strait until they beg for me to kill them! I will stick needles everywhere, i will pull out all their teeth! I would burn them till 2nd-3rd degree, i will pour alcohol in their wounds, i will cut their fingers slowly with a dull knife! I will tear their ligaments for extreme pain. I will show them hell on earth before i send them there myself! Then i will let one live with both hands and feet amputated with the tongue well cut. He will be more useless than what he was before but unable to cause anymore pain to anyone and anything.

If only i had the money and power. I would do this to every terrorist that id ever get my hands on. I will take videos to make people see what will happen to them if they ever choose the path that the other terrorists took..
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June 18, 2017, 05:31:37 PM
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@Sithara007 didn't Janissaries started out as kidnapped Christian boys that were force converted and given military training? I wouldn't be surprised if there were other similar practices but that's the one the immediately comes to mind.

Yes.. the ISIS is following the same methodology. The formation of the Janissary Corps was like killing two birds with one stone. First, it strengthened the Ottoman army by increasing its size. Secondly, it reduced the size of the Christian population within the Ottoman Empire (mostly Greeks and Albanians, but later the recruitment was also drawn from Ukrainians, Bulgars, Southern Russians, Romanians, Yugoslavs, and Armenians)

Yup, read somewhere that it became very common in Central and Eastern Europe that parents would tattoo crosses on their children to prevent them from being converted. (Can't remember if that was in Armenia or Hungary.)

Aside from them reducing the population of the Christians, it probably makes them less likely to rebel since they could be fighting their own offspring (not that their children would probably remember them). Not to mention this also reduced the number of males Christians can field.

If it was not disgusting, I would say it was a brilliant move. I wonder if anyone has used this AGAINST Muslims.
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June 18, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
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@Sithara007 didn't Janissaries started out as kidnapped Christian boys that were force converted and given military training? I wouldn't be surprised if there were other similar practices but that's the one the immediately comes to mind.

Yes.. the ISIS is following the same methodology. The formation of the Janissary Corps was like killing two birds with one stone. First, it strengthened the Ottoman army by increasing its size. Secondly, it reduced the size of the Christian population within the Ottoman Empire (mostly Greeks and Albanians, but later the recruitment was also drawn from Ukrainians, Bulgars, Southern Russians, Romanians, Yugoslavs, and Armenians)

Yup, read somewhere that it became very common in Central and Eastern Europe that parents would tattoo crosses on their children to prevent them from being converted. (Can't remember if that was in Armenia or Hungary.)

Aside from them reducing the population of the Christians, it probably makes them less likely to rebel since they could be fighting their own offspring (not that their children would probably remember them). Not to mention this also reduced the number of males Christians can field.

If it was not disgusting, I would say it was a brilliant move. I wonder if anyone has used this AGAINST Muslims.
It already looks like a conspiracy against Christianity. If I correctly understand all these actions, then in all of this involved some specific group of people promoting Muslims and Islam above all the point And as always they will fight harder against Christianity.
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The real killer is "BELIEF". And if this wrong belief is being pass down to young kids, it will become Faith, a very strong one. A faith that is ready to destroy life even their own.
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Yup, read somewhere that it became very common in Central and Eastern Europe that parents would tattoo crosses on their children to prevent them from being converted. (Can't remember if that was in Armenia or Hungary.)

Aside from them reducing the population of the Christians, it probably makes them less likely to rebel since they could be fighting their own offspring (not that their children would probably remember them). Not to mention this also reduced the number of males Christians can field.

If it was not disgusting, I would say it was a brilliant move. I wonder if anyone has used this AGAINST Muslims.

Islam is a religion which gives a lot of emphasis to the demography. They take every step to increase their population. The males can have up to 4 wives (including non-Muslim women), and the widows are immediately remarried. Also, they are encouraged to have as many children as possible. Family planning is strictly prohibited. In war, the non-Muslim prisoners of war are spared from execution of they convert to Islam.

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I've heard this before to a soldier I knew fighting Muslims for a while now. He said that no one can be trusted in that place, they are guarding the families, the places there, even the schools but they are still bombed and shot. What really surprise them is even kids fight in war, he said in a joke tone, maybe pregnant , babies and old people are the only one who are not joining the war. This is really a below the belt blow for our soldiers.

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Came upon an article while browsing FB. I knew from the title that it's gonna anger me and indeed, it was blood-curdling.

http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/in-depth/172587-maute-child-soldiers-marawi

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MARAWI CITY, Philippines – A few years ago, a young boy overheard Cayamora and Farhana Maute talking to his parents about him. The parents of the notorious Maute brothers, responsible for the raging battles in Marawi City, were offering to make him study the Koran.

It was a privilege a poor family would not pass up, especially if the offer came from such a respected clan. In the absence of formal schooling, it's common practice in communities here to organize Arabic and Islamic studies for children.

“Pangarap ng pamilya ko makapag-aral ako ng Koran (It is my family's dream to make me study the Koran),” said the boy, now in his teens. What is not clear is if his parents were also given monetary assistance.

The boy found himself relocating a few years back to the faraway town of Butig, some 50 road kilometers away from Marawi City, where he diligently learned the Koran.

But a month into the lessons, they gave him a rifle and taught him how to kill. "Lahat daw ng Christian sa buong mundo, patayin daw, 'te (They said all the Christians in the world must die)," he said.

The boy did not know about the Mautes' links to the international terrorist network Islamic State (ISIS) or anything about establishing a caliphate in Mindanao, which, according to the military, was the "grand plan" of the Maute Group.

He was told it was his specific duty to kill government soldiers.

"Tinuruan ako mag-patay ng tao. Kung di ko siya patayin, ako ang mamamatay. Ako naunahan ba (They taught me how to kill people. If I don't kill, I will die. They will kill me first)," he said.

He was once a child soldier fighting alongside the Maute brothers in his not so distant past. If he had stayed with the Mautes, he could be fighting in Marawi today, if not be dead already, he said.

When he was in Butig, he did not question the teachings. Not even in his mind. "Naniwala kami din, 'te, mga dalawang taon na 'te. Naniwala talaga 'te (I really did believe them for two years. I really believed)," he said.

His singular dream was to go to heaven and he was taught dying in battle was the way this could happen.

"Gusto ko talaga magpakamatay (I wanted to die for the cause)," he said.

Indeed, the boy recalled being happy in Butig, where he lived in a big house. He was especially fond of riding the horses when they were on a break from studying.

He mingled with the Maute children, including Omar and Abdullah, who would rise to international notoriety for the ongoing siege in Marawi City.

“Masaya ang Butig. Masaya buhay ko sa Butig (I was happy in Butig. I had a good life there),” he said.

To protect the boy, we agreed not to divulge his name and his personal details. We verified the boy's story about his stay in Butig – the hometown of Farhana Maute – by checking military reports too about the terrorist group's operations in Butig.


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The boy agreed to talk because he doesn’t want more children to be brainwashed by the likes of the Mautes to support a cause that he now says is “very wrong.”

That the Maute Group used child soldiers is well reported. Rappler also obtained what appears to be propaganda videos of Filipino-looking children joining adult fighters carrying the ISIS black flag. A high-ranking military officer who operated in Butig confirmed the video was shot in the area.

The same officer provided an old photo of child soldiers recovered last year in one military operation in Butig, Farhana's hometown.

The boy said he was told it's what Allah wanted him to become.

"Sabihin nila, magka-edad ka na. Tapos ito gawin mo. 'Yan ang sinusundan natin dito sa Koran. Utos ng Allah (They say, you are growing up. This is what you should do. This is what we should follow, according to the Koran. It is what Allah wants us to do)," the boy recalled.

He was the perfect soldier. There's nothing like the misinformed courage of a child.

"Gusto ko talagang patayin ang mga sundalo. Nagtatatakbo ako sa mga puno para maghanap ng sundalo (I really wanted to kill soldiers. I was running among the trees to hunt for them)," he said.

He was talking about the clashes last year in Butig, where the Maute Group was able to raise the black flag of the Islamic State (ISIS). Three military offensives were launched there to flush them out.

"Naubos ko pa mga bala ko sa unang giyera. Sobra. te. Sabi ko, mamatay ako sa giyera na ito at mapunta na ako sa langit. Kung mamatay sa giyera, kukunin ka ni Allah (I emptied my magazine in my first battle. It was intense. I told myself, 'I will die in this war and I will go to heaven.' If I die in the battlefield, Allah will welcome me to heaven)," he said.

"Ready talaga ako mamatay, 'te. Kapag pumutok ang kanyon at ang mga eroplano dumating, hindi talaga ako magtago (I was ready to die. If the cannons were fired and if the planes came, I really wouldn't hide)," he added.

The boy didn't die in the wars in Butig. He didn't kill any soldier either. He didn't get the chance to master his marksmanship. And then something happened that changed his life and made him realize the teachings were wrong. We are withholding these details to protect his identity.

Today the boy said he still reads the Koran on his own. "Magbasa ako ng Koran. Pakiramdam ko 'te parang magaan (I read the Koran and when I do, I feel much better)," he said.

He hears the clashes in Butig and he knows some of his friends are fighting to get to heaven. "Maling-mali talaga, 'te (It's really wrong)," he said.

The military was surprised by the Maute Group's resistance in Marawi City because bandits usually run to the mountains and escape when confronted with heavy artillery. The clash is now on its 4th week and the fighters are still holding out.

If they were trained like the young boy, it means they are all ready to kill and they are all ready to die. – Rappler.com

What must be done to stop this madness?

I have also read this story. This is published in Rappler.com.

It made me angry! Children should be trained to read and write and appreciate knowledge. What these f*cking group does is train them to use guns, detonate bombs and appreciate killing people. Children should be provided with good foundations so that when they grow up they will learn to function well as a person and as a member of a society. These Maute terrorists are brainwashing them so that they will function as killing machines when they grow up.

But the article somehow left me hanging though. I would like to know how in the world was this specific person brought back into his sane mind when all his life, starting when he was an innocent little child, everything imbued upon him was hatred and violence. I really would want to know what miracle turned him over into a new leaf.

Does anyone know?
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June 19, 2017, 04:59:33 AM
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so many many maute members are terorizing marawi city. philipine president rodrigo duterte is now taking action to  stop there bad behavior. so many inosent people are dying becoz of them.
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That just shows how crazy it seems that they do that and think that they are doing the right thing. I don't know whether or not it's okay for them to do that with respect to their religion and that's not a good thing in spite of other things. Doing things like that means the future generation of them will still breed people like them, who are willing to kill people and believe that they are doing the right thing even though it's really really bad.

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Most of the Muslim in the Philippines are the problem of the government. Especially Muslim who stayed in Mindanao, they are shit most of them. But thanks to Mr. President Duterte who take action about what happen in marawi.
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,,,I really wonder why those parents let their children risk their lives in the battlefield wearing and carrying guns and ammo fighting for the sake of other people's ambition. I don't think they wanted to be part of those groups.
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,,,I really wonder why those parents let their children risk their lives in the battlefield wearing and carrying guns and ammo fighting for the sake of other people's ambition. I don't think they wanted to be part of those groups.

These parents were also victims here.  Because of extreme poverty, they want to help their kids to not be like them.  When someone will told them that they will get their children and send them to school, they would immediately believe it and let other takes their kids.  They were promised of good future and wealthy life that is why we cannot blame them for that.
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Most of the Muslim in the Philippines are the problem of the government. Especially Muslim who stayed in Mindanao, they are shit most of them. But thanks to Mr. President Duterte who take action about what happen in marawi.

You are very lucky to have a powerful leader such as Duterte. He is standing up to the Islamic terror with all the courage and determination. Compare this to the situation in Germany, where Angela Merkel is hell bent upon destroying the native culture and traditions by importing millions of uneducated Arabs from the third world nations.
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,,,I really wonder why those parents let their children risk their lives in the battlefield wearing and carrying guns and ammo fighting for the sake of other people's ambition. I don't think they wanted to be part of those groups.

These parents were also victims here.  Because of extreme poverty, they want to help their kids to not be like them.  When someone will told them that they will get their children and send them to school, they would immediately believe it and let other takes their kids.  They were promised of good future and wealthy life that is why we cannot blame them for that.
sad to accept the truth its nature to them allowing their kids to learn without noticing the true intentions of those people who promise the kids of a better life, i don't know how this terrorist groups let their brother's in faith be in danger especially those kids which supposedly playing and enjoying their childhood.
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Most of the Muslim in the Philippines are the problem of the government. Especially Muslim who stayed in Mindanao, they are shit most of them. But thanks to Mr. President Duterte who take action about what happen in marawi.

You are very lucky to have a powerful leader such as Duterte. He is standing up to the Islamic terror with all the courage and determination. Compare this to the situation in Germany, where Angela Merkel is hell bent upon destroying the native culture and traditions by importing millions of uneducated Arabs from the third world nations.

Yeah we are very lucky indeed. President Duterte will not stop until this so called ISIS wannabee is destroyed. He is also hell bent to do everything in his power to kill those involved because he don't want the Philippines to be in constant fear of this terrorist. Too bad Merkel is the complete of President Duterte that is why Europe is turning into a mess right now. I hope that this Maute brothers or whoever the leader of  this group can be captured so that the this war in Marawi will be over.

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Most of the Muslim in the Philippines are the problem of the government. Especially Muslim who stayed in Mindanao, they are shit most of them. But thanks to Mr. President Duterte who take action about what happen in marawi.

Whenever they try to create an issue, just use iron fist to suppress them. Appeasement never works with these people (example is Germany). If the problem is nipped in the bud, then initially the terrorist sympathizers will complain that their human rights are being breached, but after some time they will also shut up and move to some other liberal nation.

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Most of the Muslim in the Philippines are the problem of the government. Especially Muslim who stayed in Mindanao, they are shit most of them. But thanks to Mr. President Duterte who take action about what happen in marawi.

Whenever they try to create an issue, just use iron fist to suppress them. Appeasement never works with these people (example is Germany). If the problem is nipped in the bud, then initially the terrorist sympathizers will complain that their human rights are being breached, but after some time they will also shut up and move to some other liberal nation.

Maybe have a bridge to Malaysia so they can flee there if they don't agree with our secular law? It seems they plan to use the same strategy in Europe here. When they tried to create an autonomous region for Muslims years ago, only 4 of the provinces given referendum agreed to join, mainly because the other provinces are Christian-majority. By attacking Muslim areas first, these terrorists would push Muslims into Christian provinces were they'll breed like rabbits. If armed conflict failed and they hold another referendum instead....
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