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Author Topic: [2.5+ EH] Slush Pool (slushpool.com); World's First Mining Pool  (Read 4325866 times)
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June 29, 2013, 08:41:20 AM
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They're not equally probable. The probability depends on latency to the pool and mining speed. All that's necessary to prove that a pool is not hop proof is to show that there exists some time an attacker can identify where the payout is greater than the payout from solo mining. The claim is that the payout method is mathematically proven to be hop proof. That seems impossible, again, unless I misunderstand the method.

All that's needed is for my latency and mining rate to be sufficiently good that the reward I expect for my first share if I don't find a block outweighs the risk that someone else will submit a share before I find my first share. If I understand this method correctly, it cannot be mathematically proven to be hop proof because you have to make assumptions about latency and mining rate.


Well, then try your method on the pool. And don't forget to report your success here.
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June 29, 2013, 08:57:49 AM
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Well, then try your method on the pool. And don't forget to report your success here.
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I don't think it's exploitable under most practical conditions. You'd need to control a significant fraction of the mining power in the pool and probably also have better latency to the pool than every other miner. Nevertheless, it's a poor choice of methods given that it's so easy to construct a method that's provably hop proof. Again, assuming I understand the payout method correctly, which seems very hard to believe given that the pool claims to have a payout method mathematically proven to be hop-proof and the method as explained on their web page clearly isn't.

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June 29, 2013, 09:05:33 AM
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Well, then try your method on the pool. And don't forget to report your success here.
Good luck!
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I don't think it's exploitable under most practical conditions. You'd need to control a significant fraction of the mining power in the pool and probably also have better latency to the pool than every other miner. Nevertheless, it's a poor choice of methods given that it's so easy to construct a method that's provably hop proof. Again, assuming I understand the payout method correctly, which seems very hard to believe given that the pool claims to have a payout method mathematically proven to be hop-proof and the method as explained on their web page clearly isn't.
alot of spam huh

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June 29, 2013, 09:07:30 AM
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Really guys. Is the pool down. I cannot get work with stratum.
Been down 5 1/2 hrs? What's the deal?

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June 29, 2013, 09:14:21 AM
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alot of spam huh

Unlike other themes, at least this discussion has been about Slush's pool, about its payout scheme.
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June 29, 2013, 09:25:40 AM
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alot of spam huh

Unlike other themes, at least this discussion has been about Slush's pool, about its payout scheme.
I kid I Kid. But I'm being ignored. Is the pool down?

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June 29, 2013, 09:36:42 AM
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Seems fine for me at the moment.
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June 29, 2013, 11:07:39 AM
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Maybe your definition of hoppable is too specific.  I successfully "hop" Slush from time to time (when I have the time to monitor things on a minute-by-minute basis), especially when the pool's luck is running under 100%.  I define hoppable as:

Pool x is hoppable if there exists a scheme that allows you to switch between mining on pool x and some other pool y in some manner that nets you  more by mining on the combination of x and y than straight mining on pool x alone would pay out if you were mining there full time.

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June 29, 2013, 11:14:59 AM
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Really guys. Is the pool down. I cannot get work with stratum.
Been down 5 1/2 hrs? What's the deal?

Up here - check your network, bounce your miners

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June 29, 2013, 12:21:40 PM
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I got it it was my network!  Some way the wireless hub stopped working. Didn't realize it till I tried to search web. Man. I was worried for a while there

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June 29, 2013, 12:55:56 PM
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Slush's over 200 Th/s right now!
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June 29, 2013, 01:22:25 PM
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Slush's over 200 Th/s right now!

Really?  You saw the pool hashrate at over 200,000.0000 Gh/s?  Amazing!  Why, that's more than the combined hashrate of the entire Bitcoin network (currently around 170 Th/s) just in one pool.  I wonder how that happened?

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June 29, 2013, 01:28:09 PM
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Slush's over 200 Th/s right now!

Sorry. It was me.  I fired up my Rage 128VR farm to see what it could do and it was awesome.  Grin

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June 29, 2013, 01:53:01 PM
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noob mistake:

20.8 Th/s

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June 29, 2013, 02:14:18 PM
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noob mistake:

20.8 Th/s

 Cool

On the bright side, our luck is running almost like there WAS 200 Th/s working.   You've got to LOVE that string of short blocks we just hit.

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June 29, 2013, 02:31:36 PM
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happy diff increase everyone!
21335329  woohooo!
21th/s yum!
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June 29, 2013, 04:28:17 PM
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What's the odd zero here and there - I think he meant 20TH/s Smiley

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June 29, 2013, 04:30:11 PM
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It didnt.

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June 29, 2013, 05:40:54 PM
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happy diff increase everyone!
21335329  woohooo!
21th/s yum!
Anyone know why blockchain.info doesnt show the diff increase yet?

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June 29, 2013, 05:48:00 PM
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happy diff increase everyone!
21335329  woohooo!
21th/s yum!
Anyone know why blockchain.info doesnt show the diff increase yet?

maybe the block it changed in hasn't gotten to their display yet? they seem to be a few blocks behind usually. at least it looks that way to me.
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