What to do with the wall observer thread?

[theymos]

The Wall Observer thread is currently locked because it attracts way more off-topic posts than we want to deal with. Continuing the status quo is therefore not really an option. The thread can continue if the situation is changed in such a way that we don't have to constantly clean up its trash, however.

I will be looking at who voted what, and I might publish it here. Mostly I'm interested in hearing from participants in the Wall Observer thread.

Vote for every option that you consider acceptable.

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[Torque]

Hey theymos,

I noticed that you're poll has 5 options, with the ability for the poll participant to select all 5.

Doesn't that sort of negate or skew the results?

[bitserve]

Very good move from Theymos allowing the participants of Wall Observer to express their opinion of what we would prefer about the future of the thread. Thanks!

I would like to say that before voting you should really take something into account:

- The WO, as it was for a long time, was mostly outside the strict scope of its title and rules. (Let's be honest about this).
- Only two (second and third) voting options could allow it to continue in the same or even remotely similar way as it was.
- The other three are just basically three ways to enforce that the thread keeps strictly on topic (wall observing) without ANY offtopic posts.

I particularly liked the diversity of the tangencial subjects discussed in the thread so, in consciousness, I can't vote for any of those three options. Not even in the slight expectation that a new moderator will be flexible about its rules or banning will occur only in very extreme and blatant cases. That'd be cheating. If any of those options are chosen and, for any reason, the offtopics continue we will probably end in the same situation.

I would have preferred the options were to be in a "General Speculation" section instead of "Offtopic" or "Chat", as I don't think it is neither of those but.... let's not be picky here, those are the options and if that means the WO thread can be preserved as it was, then it's ok to me.

Also, a totally offtopic and unmoderated thread is probably not something really desirable by anyone. So probably the best option is the third one (offtopic allowed with some moderators just to maintain some minimum order), but maybe the second one would be an interesting experiment.

If you want to only and strictly talk (and read) about walls with no reference to any other topics that might or might not be related to those walls, then you have the three other choices to decide how it could be better enforced (But please don't do it in the expectation that it will not be enforced ie: a new moderator like adamsgt was).

Just my opinion.

[theymos]

Doesn't that sort of negate or skew the results?

No, it's fine.

I particularly liked the diversity of the tangencial subjects discussed in the thread so, in consciousness, I can't vote for any of those three options. Not even in the slight expectation that a new moderator will be flexible about its rules or banning will occur only in very extreme and blatant cases. That'd be cheating. If any of those options are chosen and, for any reason, the offtopics continue we will be again at this point.

Since option 1 is in the lead, I already wrote a draft of a policy change for that one, possibly addressing your concerns:

The Wall Observer is now owned by the forum. The listed owner is responsible for maintaining it. If the owner fails to maintain it (ie. I start getting too many complaints), then they will be replaced.

The thread is exempt from the following rules from the perspective of bitcointalk.org mods:

- Off-topicness (in relation to either Speculation or the topic itself).
- Double-posting etc., within reason.

(The thread owner can and should enforce those rules to some degree, however.)

A warning will show up about the above rule exemptions when you try to report a post in the thread.

Signatures won't show up in the thread anymore.

[drbrockcoin]

How do I vote?

[bitserve]

Doesn't that sort of negate or skew the results?

No, it's fine.

I particularly liked the diversity of the tangencial subjects discussed in the thread so, in consciousness, I can't vote for any of those three options. Not even in the slight expectation that a new moderator will be flexible about its rules or banning will occur only in very extreme and blatant cases. That'd be cheating. If any of those options are chosen and, for any reason, the offtopics continue we will be again at this point.

Since option 1 is in the lead, I already wrote a draft of a policy change for that one, possibly addressing your concerns:

The Wall Observer is now owned by the forum. The listed owner is responsible for maintaining it. If the owner fails to maintain it (ie. I start getting too many complaints), then they will be replaced.

The thread is exempt from the following rules from the perspective of bitcointalk.org mods:

- Off-topicness (in relation to either Speculation or the topic itself).
- Double-posting etc., within reason.

(The thread owner can and should enforce those rules to some degree, however.)

A warning will show up about the above rule exemptions when you try to report a post in the thread.

Signatures won't show up in the thread anymore.

Oh! I think that changes everything, but as the option says "and trust them to enforce on-topicness" I thought it was just another way of enforcing that only strict talk about walls would be allowed and that if the new owner/moderator wouldn't do it, he would be removed and the thread locked again.

[lightfoot]

Now that I re-read it, I see the answer from my POV is option 1: Unlock the thread, leave it where it is, and let Wall Observer mods police the thing as they see fit.

Oddly enough it's one of the best threads to get a pulse on what is happening in bitcoinland, and while dipshits and trolls do roll through from time to time they also go away, returning it to the normal levels of anarchy.

Thus it is what it is. Of course there is option 6:

[ ] Everyone post the same crap on this thread as Wall, thus extending the lunacy to Theymos' thread....

:-)

[JayJuanGee]

How do I vote?

Vote for whichever option(s) is acceptable to you.

Keep in mind that if you vote for only one option, then you are giving all of the power of your vote to that one option; one other hand, if you vote for four items, then it would be as if you are voting against, the one item that you did not vote for..

Of course there are variations of how you could distribute your vote(s), but seems to be best just to consider which option(s) you believe are acceptable or most acceptable and vote accordingly.

[lightfoot]

Your alternative option of leaving the thread and having mods police it seems to be the exact reason why Theymos and/or mods locked the thread because that is what they had been doing for about a year or so, and they do not want to continue doing that.

Yep, I re-re-read the choices and see option 1 is that option. Edited my post accordingly, still resisting urge to start posting stupid things here. I have a choo choo train image.....

[deepcolderwallet]

Thank you Theymos.
Long live the Wall Observer!

[bitserve]

Your alternative option of leaving the thread and having mods police it seems to be the exact reason why Theymos and/or mods locked the thread because that is what they had been doing for about a year or so, and they do not want to continue doing that.

Yep, I re-re-read the choices and see option 1 is that option. Edited my post accordingly, still resisting urge to start posting stupid things here. I have a choo choo train image.....

Don't do it... or next thing we will have roach complaining why silver and gold are not choices in the poll... and what's worse, trying to convince theymos those are way better choices and the current ones are stupid and won't go anywhere. If that happens we can kiss goodbye our beloved Wall Observer.

[marcus_of_augustus]

Since option 1 is in the lead, I already wrote a draft of a policy change for that one, possibly addressing your concerns:

The Wall Observer is now owned by the forum. The listed owner is responsible for maintaining it. If the owner fails to maintain it (ie. I start getting too many complaints), then they will be replaced.

The thread is exempt from the following rules from the perspective of bitcointalk.org mods:

- Off-topicness (in relation to either Speculation or the topic itself).
- Double-posting etc., within reason.

(The thread owner can and should enforce those rules to some degree, however.)

A warning will show up about the above rule exemptions when you try to report a post in the thread.

Signatures won't show up in the thread anymore.

Theymos, first thanks for taking the time and effort to understand what it is about this thread that's worth continuing. I think the above quoted ruleset usefully encapsulates what it should be about and demonstrates that you've got the point of it, thanks again.

Apologies for losing my shit somewhat about the locked thread but we all agree that something had to change so kudos for taking the first difficult steps to sort it out.

Now which poor (lucky?) bastard wants to be WO listed owner?! A responsibility/challenge/opportunity unlike any other.  

[deepcolderwallet]

Now which poor (lucky?) bastard wants to be WO listed owner?! A responsibility/challenge/opportunity unlike any other.  

Anyone but Meuh6879!!!
This guy already showed he wants to be another dictator.

[JayJuanGee]

Now which poor (lucky?) bastard wants to be WO listed owner?! A responsibility/challenge/opportunity unlike any other.  

Anyone but Meuh6879!!!
This guy already showed he wants to be another dictator.

How about killer potleaf?  He seems to be an lucky (or unlucky) bastard who is not too likely to dictate anything - HOWEVER,  he seems to have gotten us WO fanboys (and fangirl) in this predicament in the first place by failing and refusing to take adequate measures to regain access to his adamstbit account.

[bitserve]

Now which poor (lucky?) bastard wants to be WO listed owner?! A responsibility/challenge/opportunity unlike any other.  

Anyone but Meuh6879!!!
This guy already showed he wants to be another dictator.

How about killer potleaf?  He seems to be an lucky (or unlucky) bastard who is not too likely to dictate anything - HOWEVER,  he seems to have gotten us WO fanboys (and fangirl) in this predicament in the first place by failing and refusing to take adequate measures to regain access to his adamstbit account.

He would be the best candidate for obvious reasons were he was willing to do it. If I have understood correctly what theymos said, they would just don't give a shit if anyone (trolls mostly) complain about offtopic or silly things just because they don't share an opinion or whatever, and it would be up to the moderator to do what he feels appropiate to maintain the thread in reasonable good shape. If that's true, anyone that is not a control-freak and that follows the rule of minimum intervention would be ok to me. My vote goes for Killerpotleaf.

[deepcolderwallet]

Now which poor (lucky?) bastard wants to be WO listed owner?! A responsibility/challenge/opportunity unlike any other.  

Anyone but Meuh6879!!!
This guy already showed he wants to be another dictator.

How about killer potleaf?  He seems to be an lucky (or unlucky) bastard who is not too likely to dictate anything - HOWEVER,  he seems to have gotten us WO fanboys (and fangirl) in this predicament in the first place by failing and refusing to take adequate measures to regain access to his adamstbit account.

I support smeagol to be the new old mod. Not to confuse with Paashaas (the other smeagol).
Also @infofront has showed to be an honest mod in his Hard-forked WO thread.

[d_eddie]

This thread is one of my main gateways to all chat/news bitcoinical, with a slight emphasis on (short-term) price action. I've posted very little (lurking since forever), but I've done my bit of misusing, asking questions that were 100% on topic. Not.
So the "let's turn into a chat" bit is my favorite. Killing the discussion would be too much. Turning it into a chat room with a few main actors -  theatrical characters! - sounds just right. Kitten pics will be tolerated as long as they make a point, I hope.

[dropt]

The wall observer thread has been absolute fucking garbage dump for years.  I really don't understand why you care all of a sudden.  Just let it be the shithole it has grown to be.

[xhomerx10]

Give control of the existing thread to Lauda. 

[Quickseller]

Give control of the existing thread to Lauda. 

muhahahah.


Yea that would be a horrible idea.