The market now is not real crypto.

[Decentradical]

Show me one ICO that completely conforms to securities regulations.   

It's impossible to do your due  diligence for these ICO's as they don't provide the required transparency to even be a security in the first place. None of these ICO's provide what investors are entitled to.

[bitcoinvestor]

ICOs are actually very profitable, that is why there is so much, and I do not think that will stop anytime soon.

ICO is the new way of raising money. Instead of borrowing money from a bank, ICO is a safe way to fund a sturt up. Whatever people say agree or not, ICO will be booming in next 2018 and 2019. ONly real project will survive afterthat. Investors should be careful to the ICOs coming before insvesting their money. If they are lucky they will earn profit they will loose. It is the risk of investing. It is not gambling, it is the clever way to see a prospect and turn into profit. Everyone likes or dislikes there will be many ICOs next year and this year.

[niisarearning]

I do agree there is lots of ICO based ERc20 token . even ina initial days while i was trying to understand ERC20 tokens and whlie i searched in google more place i found the code related creating ICO project. Being a programmer its more than enough for me to create project. After i tried to understand bitcoin blockchain i thought it required more effort compare to ERC20.

[Spoetnik]

Show me one ICO that completely conforms to securities regulations.  

It's impossible to do your due  diligence for these ICO's as they don't provide the required transparency to even be a security in the first place. None of these ICO's provide what investors are entitled to.

I have been saying you can't do due diligence all along for similar reasons.
Because the scene is a scam.
Every part of it is engineered by design to accommodate anon assholes to launch schemes
..so they can walk cash in hand.

It's like playing a board game like Monopoly with a corrupt banker.
He will rip you off and that is all there is to it.

There is no aspect of any of this is even vaguely legit anymore.
Shitbirds have flocked in and there is now shit all over the place.
And all they can do is putter around shitting more and clamoring about needing more ROI's.
LIEK OMG THE RUSSIAN CHINESE GOVT IS USING ETHEREUM NOW !!!!!
RIP Bitcoin !

Altcoins are a scammy joke .

[danherbias07]

Well I think a lot of us here are not looking for long term when it comes to altcoins.
I have bitcoins and that will stay that way.
With alts, it will also stay but not for long.
With knowledge here in the forum they will know it is the way it should be.
You are correct that it will be a big lost when it took long as I have already seen that happened.

[Decentradical]

I have been saying you can't do due diligence all along for similar reasons.
Because the scene is a scam.
Every part of it is engineered by design to accommodate anon assholes to launch schemes
..so they can walk cash in hand.

Yes, that's not to say that there's no place for Token ICO's. They could work perfectly well, it's just that right now, none of them do.

IF these token companies start complying with the securities law it could be a wonderful scene for startups. But the inspection needs to get in on this start because right now all of them, for as long as they don't comply, are a scam.  

And let's not confuse tokens with altcoins. There's plenty of altcoins that have integrity and have launched without needing an ICO, a premine, or hidden developer fees. Those coins deserve credit and not be grouped with these scams.  

The first token ICO that is able to prove they comply with US law regarding securities would also deserve respect. But it doesn't exist yet. 

[TitanGEL]

ICOs are actually very profitable, that is why there is so much, and I do not think that will stop anytime soon.

ICO is the new way of raising money. Instead of borrowing money from a bank, ICO is a safe way to fund a sturt up. Whatever people say agree or not, ICO will be booming in next 2018 and 2019. ONly real project will survive afterthat. Investors should be careful to the ICOs coming before insvesting their money. If they are lucky they will earn profit they will loose. It is the risk of investing. It is not gambling, it is the clever way to see a prospect and turn into profit. Everyone likes or dislikes there will be many ICOs next year and this year.

I agree to you about the ICO is a new way of raising of money. I can say ICO is profitable and many people know about that. You have a good point that the ICO will gonna be popular in the next next years. Investing in different ICO is a risky but I'm sure most of them are not scam and many of them are profitable.

[selline]

If it is true in the market right now is there's no real crypto then it is a lie or penipuana with them are usually not in the hands of the originators but hands group of traders. Offering of securities in the form of a token is different. This is a form of fraud is greater than just hyping a piece of currency. Token companies that offer investors their value, they make an appointment. This is why the effect in the real world very regulated so as to make it very sensitive to fraud.

[Decentradical]

Exactly. My worry is that regulation officials don't see the distinction and start proposing laws against crypto in it's entirety. We as a community have a responsibility to isolate this securities fraud and jettison it away from ordinary cryptocurrencies before it's too late. 

[Btc_1856]

Well I think a lot of us here are not looking for long term when it comes to altcoins.
I have bitcoins and that will stay that way.
With alts, it will also stay but not for long.
With knowledge here in the forum they will know it is the way it should be.
You are correct that it will be a big lost when it took long as I have already seen that happened.

Yes, you are right people are not analyzing which altcoin is going to pay them and many of the altcoin launching now are theme based but how long they will survive nobody don't know. But in crypto, everyone should have a lot of patience to make money otherwise you need to face a lot of loss.

[Decentradical]

A cryptocurrency doesn't promise their buyers something in return, like property or a share in revenue. It's purely speculating on it as a store of value, which is fine. 

ICO tokens promise *something* in return for buying their token. Which could be anything, but often the promises are vague and hard to verify, which is necessary for a securities scheme. 

[trumper]

I think it is good people will lose money and market will be more smart.

[asdalani]

Well I think a lot of us here are not looking for long term when it comes to altcoins.
I have bitcoins and that will stay that way.
With alts, it will also stay but not for long.
With knowledge here in the forum they will know it is the way it should be.
You are correct that it will be a big lost when it took long as I have already seen that happened.

Yes, you are right people are not analyzing which altcoin is going to pay them and many of the altcoin launching now are theme based but how long they will survive nobody don't know. But in crypto, everyone should have a lot of patience to make money otherwise you need to face a lot of loss.

True. Trading Altcoins won't give the investor any money if they keep exchanging it right after they purchase the coin. The investor will have to learn how to properly calculate the trading fee, the price of the coin and how much coins they would get if they decided to make another purchase in a later period. If the investor knows how to read charts then that's a plus as well.

[Spoetnik]

ICOs are actually very profitable, that is why there is so much, and I do not think that will stop anytime soon.

ICO is the new way of raising money. Instead of borrowing money from a bank, ICO is a safe way to fund a sturt up. Whatever people say agree or not, ICO will be booming in next 2018 and 2019. ONly real project will survive afterthat. Investors should be careful to the ICOs coming before insvesting their money. If they are lucky they will earn profit they will loose. It is the risk of investing. It is not gambling, it is the clever way to see a prospect and turn into profit. Everyone likes or dislikes there will be many ICOs next year and this year.

I agree to you about the ICO is a new way of raising of money. I can say ICO is profitable and many people know about that. You have a good point that the ICO will gonna be popular in the next next years. Investing in different ICO is a risky but I'm sure most of them are not scam and many of them are profitable.

How do You get profit with out others taking a loss?
Understand basic math?

[asdalani]

If it is true in the market right now is there's no real crypto then it is a lie or penipuana with them are usually not in the hands of the originators but hands group of traders. Offering of securities in the form of a token is different. This is a form of fraud is greater than just hyping a piece of currency. Token companies that offer investors their value, they make an appointment. This is why the effect in the real world very regulated so as to make it very sensitive to fraud.

What's penipuana?
Though there is a few coins out there in the Crypto area that allow people to use Altcoins for certain online purchases it doesn't really have that much purpose for other things. If there's an Altcoin that gets much stronger than Bitcoin then there would be a bunch of stores accepting it, right now there's none. So Bitcoin will be the number one digital currency right now due to it being available for public usage.

[authorfriendly]

ICO- It is not just a zero sum game.  Some people will forget their passwords and seeds so a certain number on any capped tokens will essentially be long term (infinitely long) holds. Also while some win and some lose, ideally you know more than the next guy and so you are not playing against the house, you are playing against the new newbies.

[Spoetnik]

I love how you all replied here side stepping ideology.
I harp on it for a reason guys..

You all would not shut up chanting "Free Market" when I got here..
Every time I criticized a pointless shitcoin for profits you all lined up to spout off about the freedom ideology etc.. It was the mantra and official defense of the profiteer.

It's been years since I seen profiteers playing the free market retort..

It's almost like the crowd here now are oblivious to the concept.
And.. Like they think it doesn't matter.

This forum is about puttering around being a greasy sleazy shady little investard spitting on ideology for cash profit ROI'S... REAL MONEY!
You line up to position your verbal diarrhea in any angle that serves your wallet while jiggling your profiteer dick holsters around like fools.

..oblivious to the unbreakable link / context and the looming financial and regulatory consequences.
We are.. Doing this or that... So.... It's all legit then right?
Just because you got away with it does not mean it's still not criminal.

And you all seem to give 0 fucks about the fact you are ruining legit currencies and damaging crypto as a whole and Bitcoin itself.. Which is funny because it is BITCOIN which you all covet and chase.

You all here really do in fact act stupid and post stupid garbage non stop.
It's not just this section either.. Look at the rampant chronic account farming shit posting flooding the off-topic section all year round.

This is nothing but shady profiteers piling in with signs campaigns defending scam coins that just seem to continually push the scammy bar.

Many of you don't even pretend you care about "crypto"
Which is what this topic is about.. Yet you sure lined up to post bullshit defending bad behavior pretty quick didn't you?

..to defend your right to profit REAL MONEY off of pointless scammy garbage.

You keep at it Investards.. It amuses me and that is worth all the money I have.
I should start a contest for who can post the stupidest shitcoin defense retort and award them a Bitcoin prize.. It would be worth the BTC to me simply for entertainment value.

The vast majority of you all here are useless investard clowns

[Kawasanz]

I see on the other side a good crypto for the market and many also have promising projects like ETH (ethereum) with carry contract tokens, and the most important is more thorough follow ico in a new coin project we must know its portfolio.

[SvenBomvolen]

I have found a calendar of ICOs where you see how many days stayed for release and to read about every project http://happycoin.club/ico-calendar/
I think it's stupid just to follow the trend and run for the dream of easy money making. Yes, there is a sea of shit projects, but among this there are real perspective projects like CIVIC, you just need to read about the project before to understand to invest in it or not. And think your head, if you think that the project doesn't suggest something new and useful then it must be doesn't worth to invest in it.

[bitcoinvestor]

Lets be clear the market of icos is mainly little bits of software built on ETH. Everything is being focused on what I see as a flawed platform.

You have to look past this short term fashion and at real projects with real innovations in blockchain tech not eth apps!

Xtrabytes is a real innovation but its invisible in a sea of eth apps that might get millions for the scammer ico makers but they will mostly crash to very little value in rhe coming year.

Forget eth apps for long term investing. You will get stung bad and the only winner will be the guys who took btc off you.

agree, too many icos are just coming to encircle money, and there are little who are focused on the program itsself, if the roadmap can't be excuted, they are just a paper or ppt

The roadmap is an idea. The dev also make speculation if they can execute the plan, they made 2 successes. if not they made 1 success. 1 succes of raising fund. As the investor, I think make two speculation too. If the price of coins in the market high, make 1 success if the roadmap exectuted made 2 success. Now? It is a speculation.