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July 09, 2017, 10:32:17 AM
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I think that would be a stupid and useless transaction if you are not paying for miners fee,that transaction will not be processed i think if you will not put any miners fee even a little miners fee on the transactions

 
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July 09, 2017, 12:01:44 PM
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I think that would be a stupid and useless transaction if you are not paying for miners fee,that transaction will not be processed i think if you will not put any miners fee even a little miners fee on the transactions

There is a very low chance that zero-fee transactions may be processed. Some of the mining pools such as BTC.TOP have previously included zero-fee transactions in the blocks which they have mined. But considering the number of unconfirmed transactions nowadays, the chances are quite remote. If you had forgot to add a fee, then in order to process the transaction you may need to pay a fee to the transaction accelerators, such as viaBTC.
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July 09, 2017, 12:29:01 PM
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So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?

Having bitcoin transaction without paying the miner fee will only give you headache, it would be better to pay higher fee so that your transaction will be complete fast and you'll have a smooth transaction.

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July 09, 2017, 01:00:31 PM
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Fact are facts and you can send with any miner fee that you want whether it be high or low.

it's going to affect how quickly the transactions get confirmed in the chain and going to affect the health of the block chain, in general because you're taking money away from the people that are mining it. so the more and more money that you take away from those mining it the less and less mining that will happen and therefore eventually muck and shut the entire system down

This is nonsense.

Why would it affect the health of the blockchain?
It would mean that the chain is rotten to the core cause in the early days there were a lot of transactions with 0 fee.

And by not paying fees you're not taking money away from the miners.
It like saying that if you drink water from a river you;re going to bankrupt Evian.

The miners have their choice , include the tx or not.
They have empty space they want to do you a favor they will include it. If not .. then no. Simple as that.

And how will the system shut down ,furthermore what system?

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July 09, 2017, 01:32:54 PM
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So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?

Bitcoins never go into space. You will either get the transaction returned or it will be included in a block.
But safer to include at least the minimum fee, so it would only be a matter of time and the transaction would be confirmed. Miners are actually business people and they are rendering some vital services, so they deserve to make some profit, only their charges are now becoming outrageous and people are beginning to complain.


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July 09, 2017, 02:32:08 PM
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So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?

Bitcoins never go into space. You will either get the transaction returned or it will be included in a block.
But safer to include at least the minimum fee, so it would only be a matter of time and the transaction would be confirmed. Miners are actually business people and they are rendering some vital services, so they deserve to make some profit, only their charges are now becoming outrageous and people are beginning to complain.

Mining bitcoin is a serious business and when we say a serious business, it means that it needs a big capital to start the business and maintaining the business. That is why it is just proper to compensate miners well because without them, integrity of bitcoin transactions would be at stake.
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July 09, 2017, 06:06:21 PM
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Okay guys i sent a transaction with 25 sat/KB fee about 0.00005 BTC fee and it's stuck there for like 5 days ! i though it will only take 3 days (72hours) for your transaction to get rejected and the fund will go back to your wallet as you people said but that's not the case with my situation ! now what to do ? will the transaction remain stuck forever ? or it will get included in a block somewhere in the future ? and what can i do to speed things up a little bit ? (if there is something i can do)
btw im using blockchain.info
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July 09, 2017, 09:10:41 PM
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Okay guys i sent a transaction with 25 sat/KB fee about 0.00005 BTC fee and it's stuck there for like 5 days ! i though it will only take 3 days (72hours) for your transaction to get rejected and the fund will go back to your wallet as you people said but that's not the case with my situation ! now what to do ? will the transaction remain stuck forever ? or it will get included in a block somewhere in the future ? and what can i do to speed things up a little bit ? (if there is something i can do)
btw im using blockchain.info

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One thing might be to use viabtc
https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/

Second might be to wait till the tx will be dropped.

And third maybe pray that luck will shine on your tx like it did in this case:
https://blockchain.info/en/tx/100a6ea3fa9b2595b224bbf51573161d4e8c99e32774253dbf81f2ff07ed3ffb

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July 09, 2017, 09:36:38 PM
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So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?
Sending bitcoin in the same wallet dont pay fees in my experience but i dont know in what kind of wallet you are using but in my experience the wallet im using dont have a fee when i send money in another wallet but we have the same wallet no need to pay for a fee and it has a fast transaction.
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July 09, 2017, 09:47:15 PM
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Okay guys i sent a transaction with 25 sat/KB fee about 0.00005 BTC fee and it's stuck there for like 5 days ! i though it will only take 3 days (72hours) for your transaction to get rejected and the fund will go back to your wallet as you people said but that's not the case with my situation ! now what to do ? will the transaction remain stuck forever ? or it will get included in a block somewhere in the future ? and what can i do to speed things up a little bit ? (if there is something i can do)
btw im using blockchain.info

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One thing might be to use viabtc
https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/

Second might be to wait till the tx will be dropped.

And third maybe pray that luck will shine on your tx like it did in this case:
https://blockchain.info/en/tx/100a6ea3fa9b2595b224bbf51573161d4e8c99e32774253dbf81f2ff07ed3ffb

everytime when i try the viabtc accelerator it says "this transaction doesn't exit" ! any ideas why this is happening ?
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July 09, 2017, 10:09:14 PM
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So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?
I think in that scenario, it is not possible that there will be no miner fees in doing transactions because miners are being payed to process transactions. Transactions with highpayment of transaction fee seems to be the first priority because maybe it is an indication that the transaction is urgent and important. Your money won't be stuck there because as soon as they finished the first priorities. But if you can't no longer wait, you can pull out your transaction. But if you want to process your transaction as soon as possible, pay the right amountn or pay large fees.

 
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July 09, 2017, 10:12:47 PM
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So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?
I think in that scenario, it is not possible that there will be no miner fees in doing transactions because miners are being payed to process transactions. Transactions with highpayment of transaction fee seems to be the first priority because maybe it is an indication that the transaction is urgent and important. Your money won't be stuck there because as soon as they finished the first priorities. But if you can't no longer wait, you can pull out your transaction. But if you want to process your transaction as soon as possible, pay the right amountn or pay large fees.
To be honest, I have never experienced any difficulties with the payment of transactions by Shakhtar. The fact is that as the system issues numbers, So I send. On the one hand It's all small things, The main thing is that everything went well. Perhaps I do not yet have much understanding of this matter, but for today I have not yet encountered problems with the conduct of their transactions.
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It doesn't just disappear. I think after a certain period, it returns back to your account
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July 10, 2017, 12:01:27 AM
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It doesn't just disappear. I think after a certain period, it returns back to your account

I have not experienced withdrawing bitcoin without a fee but I have several experiences of withdrawing with a very little fee - it took me 2  weeks sometimes before I see the bitcoin withdrawal confirmation but sometimes it just took a few days to a week. I would rather pay big than waiting for that long.
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July 10, 2017, 12:45:15 AM
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So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?

I don't think you can send bitcoins with zero miners fees. If you send with a few lower than what is recommended, it may not confirm or it will take a long time for confirmations.

The point of the miner's fees is to make it worth the miner's time to confirm the transactions. We need the miners so that the system won't collapse. We can't have Bitcoin without miners.
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July 10, 2017, 01:04:06 AM
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So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?

I don't think you can send bitcoins with zero miners fees. If you send with a few lower than what is recommended, it may not confirm or it will take a long time for confirmations.

The point of the miner's fees is to make it worth the miner's time to confirm the transactions. We need the miners so that the system won't collapse. We can't have Bitcoin without miners.
yes you can ! and i just id:
https://blockchain.info/tx/3321227f33b5b6924f05f95ff13b2a13633b8f811675cb63eda3a9998358b027
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So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?

Well, the transaction will uncofirmed so long, maybe you need to wait until 1 month(?) and your transaction will canceled and get your coins back, cmiiw. I think it will get confirmed even you use very low fee, but you need to wait until 2weeks-1month.
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July 10, 2017, 01:39:47 AM
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Happened to me a year ago when I used outdated version of core wallet and it had fee hardcoded (?) and it was lower then needed. Transaction never got confirmed, newegg order got cancelled, BTC returned back to the account after a while.

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I think that would be a stupid and useless transaction if you are not paying for miners fee,that transaction will not be processed i think if you will not put any miners fee even a little miners fee on the transactions
That's hard to proccess but people used to use that "dirty tips" to scam everyone. Double spending is really bad and they solved them by requiring 1 transactions confirmation. I think it's a good idea.
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July 10, 2017, 05:42:43 AM
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So i was thinking if i send a bitcoin transaction without the miner fee or a very low fee what will happen ? would i get the coins back eventually ? or they will just stuck there forever ! and if that happened how to do that double spend ?
If you send a transaction with a low fee, it may take forever to confirm but if you are not in any hurry that can be a way to save in fees, but to send a transaction with no fees will probably result in your transaction to never confirm and your funds will go back to your wallet, but you will have wasted too much time.



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