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Question: Who should be the listed owner of the Wall Observer thread? Choose all acceptable options. Your vote will be published.  (Voting closed: July 08, 2017, 01:48:25 PM)
lightfoot - 20 (12%)
arklan - 16 (9.6%)
Erkallys - 15 (9%)
infofront - 58 (34.7%)
Lauda - 35 (21%)
empowering - 23 (13.8%)
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July 05, 2017, 01:48:26 PM
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See: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1993570.0

I will declare a poll winner by considering who voted what, not just by counting votes.

Polls on forum administration are always advisory, but in this case I don't care very much who owns the thread, so I don't see any reason why I wouldn't put the winner of this poll in charge of the thread. Though if the thread becomes problematic again, the thread owner will have to be replaced.

lightfoot - "I would go with a largely hands-off option, no directly blasting other people, no posting marketing crap, simple stuff"

arklan - "if mods are needed, i have the time to do it"

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- "I candidate if this is needed. At least I have no hatred toward me as well as any fanboy." - "I would not be too strict on moderation, and I am available all day long."

infofront- "I'm not a prolific poster, or well known personality, but I'd volunteer to help moderate. I started the "unmoderated" wall observer thread because I believe in the laissez-faire nature of Adam's thread."

Lauda - "I could create one, and would if someone were to get something like ChartBuddy running again." <-- from another thread but related to this one.

empowering - "I probably have the necessary erratic mental health condition..." "...So I guess I will throw my hat in - happy to do it, not fussed either though."


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July 05, 2017, 03:40:51 PM
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Will you publish who voted for who again? I am not really familiar with some of these names to vote for them. I had hoped Jimbo would be a part of it.

I will declare a poll winner by considering who voted what, not just by counting votes.
How would you handle a situation with a large number of new accounts voting? The decision to consider 'who' voted is a step in the right direction, but I'm wondering how you would execute it if someone were to be leading by a large margin with e.g. such votes.

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July 05, 2017, 04:42:59 PM
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I vote for Lauda.

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July 05, 2017, 07:11:41 PM
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Will you publish who voted for who again?

Yes.

How would you handle a situation with a large number of new accounts voting? The decision to consider 'who' voted is a step in the right direction, but I'm wondering how you would execute it if someone were to be leading by a large margin with e.g. such votes.

I'll ignore apparent vote-stuffing completely.

Probably I'll be able to tell the proper ordering by just skimming the color-coded voter list. In edge cases, I might devise some sort of point system.

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July 05, 2017, 07:48:53 PM
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I haven't seen a statement from you, Lauda, on how you'd moderate the thread. Do you plan to impose on-topic?
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July 05, 2017, 07:49:42 PM
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Will you publish who voted for who again? I am not really familiar with some of these names to vote for them. I had hoped Jimbo would be a part of it.

I will declare a poll winner by considering who voted what, not just by counting votes.
How would you handle a situation with a large number of new accounts voting? The decision to consider 'who' voted is a step in the right direction, but I'm wondering how you would execute it if someone were to be leading by a large margin with e.g. such votes.


Lauda...


Beat it you tyrant... you kept deleting R0aches natzi posts... and that guy is pure gold entertainment!!! Smiley ... Do you think people come to these posts for speculation?? You are dead wrong!!! They come for entertainment!!! Smiley ... No one care who said what, when or maybe. Because 90% of the people with money from these posts don't listen to each other anyway! So its just simple chit chat between millionaires and billionaires that like to mock each other!!! Smiley
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July 05, 2017, 07:52:20 PM
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I just hope everyone understands that a vote for Empowering is a vote for him _and_ his monkey..

This is good for Bitcoin.

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July 05, 2017, 08:00:01 PM
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Will you publish who voted for who again? I am not really familiar with some of these names to vote for them. I had hoped Jimbo would be a part of it.

I will declare a poll winner by considering who voted what, not just by counting votes.
How would you handle a situation with a large number of new accounts voting? The decision to consider 'who' voted is a step in the right direction, but I'm wondering how you would execute it if someone were to be leading by a large margin with e.g. such votes.


Lauda...


Beat it you tyrant... you kept deleting R0aches natzi posts... and that guy is pure gold entertainment!!! Smiley ... Do you think people come to these posts for speculation?? You are dead wrong!!! They come for entertainment!!! Smiley ... No one care who said what, when or maybe. Because 90% of the people with money from these posts don't listen to each other anyway! So its just simple chit chat between millionaires and billionaires that like to mock each other!!! Smiley

No matter who the moderator ends up being, I hope posts like R0ach's are allowed to stand. The thread will not be the same without the occasional Hitler/anti-jew meme pictures scattered about.
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July 05, 2017, 08:00:29 PM
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I just hope everyone understands that a vote for Empowering is a vote for him _and_ his monkey..

This is good for Bitcoin.



Aren't you mixing up Empowering and Aminorex?

Aminorex is the monkey guy, no?

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I just hope everyone understands that a vote for Empowering is a vote for him _and_ his monkey..

This is good for Bitcoin.



Aren't you mixing up Empowering and Aminorex?

Aminorex is the monkey guy, no?

I believe they had joint custody.

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My vote goes to infofront.
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Oh, it looks like the the electoral campaign has already started. This is gonna be fun.

Lauda is in the lead atm? Who would have thought....  Shocked

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My vote goes to infofront.

Seems to me the blatantly racist shit ought to be out of bounds. Maybe I'm a Jew. Maybe the monkey is. Who's to say?

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i have voted my vote.
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My vote goes to infofront.

Seems to me the blatantly racist shit ought to be out of bounds. Maybe I'm a Jew. Maybe the monkey is. Who's to say?


Absolutely.  

r0ach seems to think this is fun:


(Blah blah conspiracy paranoia from r0ach's sick library) Holocaust 2.0 coming soon.

I do not.  When he was a Mod, I asked Lauda why posts I had written were deletd and r0ach's anti-semitic hate posts were untouched on the same page.  

He did not answer.

For me intolerance to the point of advocating genocide and the killing of millions of people is NOT really ok.  It's kind a red line issue.

So in the interests of an open debate, what is your position Lauda? Do you just crave the power? Can you tell us if you're a light touch, laissez-faire type, or a totalitarian?  Why were you a mod and then suddenly not?

Do tell, we would like to know.  Your past is not without clouds - but your audience is listening and prepared to listen, as am I - and if I get no answer, you will have proved my worst fears about your ambition to take over the WO.

You are not Adam - OK, who could be?  Fair enough.  But what are you, Lauda?



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My vote goes to infofront.

Seems to me the blatantly racist shit ought to be out of bounds. Maybe I'm a Jew. Maybe the monkey is. Who's to say?


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I thought the new owner was supposed to be someone who is a "regular" in the WO thread?

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My vote goes to infofront.

Seems to me the blatantly racist shit ought to be out of bounds. Maybe I'm a Jew. Maybe the monkey is. Who's to say?


Absolutely.  

r0ach seems to think this is fun:


(Blah blah conspiracy paranoia from r0ach's sick library) Holocaust 2.0 coming soon.

I do not.  When he was a Mod, I asked Lauda why posts I had written were deletd and r0ach's anti-semitic hate posts were untouched on the same page.  

He did not answer.

For me intolerance to the point of advocating genocide and the killing of millions of people is NOT really ok.  It's kind a red line issue.

So in the interests of an open debate, what is your position Lauda? Do you just crave the power? Can you tell us if you're a light touch, laissez-faire type, or a totalitarian?  Why were you a mod and then suddenly not?

Do tell, we would like to know.  Your past is not without clouds - but your audience is listening and prepared to listen, as am I - and if I get no answer, you will have proved my worst fears about your ambition to take over the WO.

You are not Adam - OK, who could be?  Fair enough.  But what are you, Lauda?





The fact that he presents the other side of the coin is exactly the reason why we should keep people like R0ach! ... Because you can show them, point them with a finger and given as an anti-example!!! ... The world needs fucking bad guys to be in a perpetuum state of equilibrium! Balance is needed! Smiley

*edit(1):  So... don't ignore the other side of the coin!!! If danger and bad sh!t exists... you don't need to ignore it and suppress it!!! Deal with it!!! Smiley

*edit(2): People need to be aware so they can draw up their own conclusions!!! Smiley
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Will you publish who voted for who again? I am not really familiar with some of these names to vote for them. I had hoped Jimbo would be a part of it.

I will declare a poll winner by considering who voted what, not just by counting votes.
How would you handle a situation with a large number of new accounts voting? The decision to consider 'who' voted is a step in the right direction, but I'm wondering how you would execute it if someone were to be leading by a large margin with e.g. such votes.


Lauda...


Beat it you tyrant... you kept deleting R0aches natzi posts... and that guy is pure gold entertainment!!! Smiley ... Do you think people come to these posts for speculation?? You are dead wrong!!! They come for entertainment!!! Smiley ... No one care who said what, when or maybe. Because 90% of the people with money from these posts don't listen to each other anyway! So its just simple chit chat between millionaires and billionaires that like to mock each other!!! Smiley

No matter who the moderator ends up being, I hope posts like R0ach's are allowed to stand. The thread will not be the same without the occasional Hitler/anti-jew meme pictures scattered about.

Occasional promotion of fascism is kind of OK?

Ok, laissez-faire will win out, which is a plus point - but when I totally kick off, will I also not be deleted when I tell this psychopath who lives in his mother's basement dreaming of the death of the jews to go fuck himself?

Wink

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Occasional promotion of fascism is kind of OK?

Ok, laissez-faire will win out, which is a plus point - but when I totally kick off, will I also not be deleted when I tell this psychopath who lives in his mother's basement dreaming of the death of the jews to go fuck himself?

Wink


That actually sounds fair...

Maybe you two will bond with the passing of time! Heal, mend wounds together!!!  Cheesy  Cheesy

*edit:   And then peace was restored to the kingdom! They became friends and then they had a plenty bunch of children and the world was a better place! The End!!!  Cheesy  Cheesy
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My vote goes to infofront.

Seems to me the blatantly racist shit ought to be out of bounds. Maybe I'm a Jew. Maybe the monkey is. Who's to say?


Absolutely.  

r0ach seems to think this is fun:


(Blah blah conspiracy paranoia from r0ach's sick library) Holocaust 2.0 coming soon.

I do not.  When he was a Mod, I asked Lauda why posts I had written were deletd and r0ach's anti-semitic hate posts were untouched on the same page.  

He did not answer.

For me intolerance to the point of advocating genocide and the killing of millions of people is NOT really ok.  It's kind a red line issue.

So in the interests of an open debate, what is your position Lauda? Do you just crave the power? Can you tell us if you're a light touch, laissez-faire type, or a totalitarian?  Why were you a mod and then suddenly not?

Do tell, we would like to know.  Your past is not without clouds - but your audience is listening and prepared to listen, as am I - and if I get no answer, you will have proved my worst fears about your ambition to take over the WO.

You are not Adam - OK, who could be?  Fair enough.  But what are you, Lauda?





The fact that he presents the other side of the coin is exactly the reason why we should keep people like R0ach! ... Because you can show them, point them with a finger and given as an anti-example!!! ... The world needs fucking bad guys to be in a perpetuum state of equilibrium! Balance is needed! Smiley

*edit(1):  So... don't ignore the other side of the coin!!! If danger and bad sh!t exists... you don't need to ignore it and suppress it!!! Deal with it!!! Smiley

*edit(2): People need to be aware so they can draw up their own conclusions!!! Smiley

The only trouble is, when genocide happens, it's sort of a bit late to form an opinion.  It tends to need a war to sort it out if you let it go.

See:  History.

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The only trouble is, when genocide happens, it's sort of a bit late to form an opinion.  It tends to need a war to sort it out if you let it go.

See:  History.

That's why you can educate people from far far ahead if the damn thing wasn't ignored and suppressed in the first place!!! Because when it will be heard by some, it will be like the first time! Something sounding very beautiful and a likely plausible scenario!!! ... And jews will probably not be a next genocide 2.0 ... but maybe them arabs invading Yurope! So people need to come with solutions far far far ahead, so they can establish concepts!!!  Roll Eyes
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Can we post train pictures and stuff when our candidates go in the lead?

In a few days we will have WO again, maybe it is good to start recovering old habits in the meantime (or to do it for the last time in case Lauda wins the poll)

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Can we post train pictures and stuff when our candidates go in the lead?

In a few days we will have WO again, maybe it is good to start recovering old habits in the meantime.

Maybe - but, my freind - my preferred candidates aren't winning Wink

And I ain't standing - so I want to see some mettle from those who are.   With the right mod, goodness and joy will reign.  With the wrong one, I lose my favourite thead. 

Sorry. It matters.

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Occasional promotion of fascism is kind of OK?

Ok, laissez-faire will win out, which is a plus point - but when I totally kick off, will I also not be deleted when I tell this psychopath who lives in his mother's basement dreaming of the death of the jews to go fuck himself?

Wink


That actually sounds fair...

Maybe you two will bond with the passing of time! Heal, mend wounds together!!!  Cheesy  Cheesy

*edit:   And then peace was restored to the kingdom! They became friends and then they had a plenty bunch of children and the world was a better place! The End!!!  Cheesy  Cheesy

Not that likely, I am afraid. The world will only be a better place when the promotion of racism, hate, murder and genocide is not 'OK'

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Can we post train pictures and stuff when our candidates go in the lead?

In a few days we will have WO again, maybe it is good to start recovering old habits in the meantime.

Maybe - but, my freind - my preferred candidates aren't winning Wink

And I ain't standing - so I want to see some mettle from those who are.   With the right mod, goodness and joy will reign.  With the wrong one, I lose my favourite thead. 

Sorry. It matters.

Yep, it matters. We all have some preferred candidates, that's ok. The best owner of WO would be someone that most of the time we wouldn't even notice he is doing his "job" while he is doing it perfectly.

Anyway,  I have finallly voted for: lightfoot (my initial choice), arklan, Erkalis, infofront (he is doing a great job on his forked WO) and empowering (this guy sounds like a great Adam's sucessor)... So I have some serious chances that my "preferred" candidate wins Smiley

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Occasional promotion of fascism is kind of OK?

Ok, laissez-faire will win out, which is a plus point - but when I totally kick off, will I also not be deleted when I tell this psychopath who lives in his mother's basement dreaming of the death of the jews to go fuck himself?

Wink


That actually sounds fair...

Maybe you two will bond with the passing of time! Heal, mend wounds together!!!  Cheesy  Cheesy

*edit:   And then peace was restored to the kingdom! They became friends and then they had a plenty bunch of children and the world was a better place! The End!!!  Cheesy  Cheesy

Not that likely, I am afraid. The world will only be a better place when the promotion of racism, hate, murder and genocide is not 'OK'


I do this for a living... and I need to make you think! ... So... in opinion of some... the concept of "peace & prosperity" are ideal and will probably happen. BUT!!!! ... The thing is that imagine a world after 300-400 years of no violence or any kind of rebellion... Do you consider that a healthy society?? Because if a breakaway civilization from the past or an encounter with another alien race (just a small rogue colony might be enough)... How do you think the reaction of those 'vegetable minded' people will be?? Smiley

So the actual problem that many don't understand is that you need to integrate "the promotion of racism, hate, murder and genocide is not 'OK' " ... into any future system that we have!   Wink

*edit:  The concept of "Peace" alone, by itself.. cannot stand the trial & error of time! Because its flawed! And you need constant balance! Smiley
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I'm not voting for anyone, not because I think the users in question aren't capable of handling the thread, but because I think it would be better to simply have someone from the Staff handling the thread (mainly because Staff members are more used to patrolling the forums and supposedly spend more time doing so than any other members, thus being from the Staff). Since Nekrobios is the section's Moderator, I assume he'd be even more fit and/or capable to the task at hand than said users (otherwise why would he moderate the section in question and not one of the users in the poll?).

Although administration states that it's not really relevant who gets the job, the Wall Observer thread seems important enough to warrant it's own ownership vote thread, which is a bit odd/contradictory, as maybe it is important to choose the right person (from a seemingly random list of users). This kind of seems to throw off or de-characterize the "Staff" user position. If it's not all that important, why not just delete all Wall Observer threads except the first one created with self-moderation?

That being said, maybe I'm seeing things in a wrong way. And in the end of the day, whoever wins this poll is fine with me because, as I've said, all the users in it are probably suited to take the job.
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Can we post train pictures and stuff when our candidates go in the lead?

In a few days we will have WO again, maybe it is good to start recovering old habits in the meantime.

Maybe - but, my freind - my preferred candidates aren't winning Wink

And I ain't standing - so I want to see some mettle from those who are.   With the right mod, goodness and joy will reign.  With the wrong one, I lose my favourite thead. 

Sorry. It matters.

Yep, it matters. We all have some preferred candidates, that's ok. The best owner of WO would be someone that most of the time we wouldn't even notice he is doing his "job" while he is doing it perfectly.

Anyway,  I have finallly voted for: lightfoot (my initial choice), arklan, Erkalis, infofront (he is doing a great job on his forked WO) and empowering (this guy sounds like a great Adam's sucessor)... So I have some serious chances that my "preferred" candidate wins Smiley


I voted similarly, but I am warming to Empowering, too - he is sounding like an advocate of tolerance. He even might be fun, too.

Lauda is the dark horse - but he has not spoken of his ethos, only indicated he wants the role.

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Occasional promotion of fascism is kind of OK?

Ok, laissez-faire will win out, which is a plus point - but when I totally kick off, will I also not be deleted when I tell this psychopath who lives in his mother's basement dreaming of the death of the jews to go fuck himself?

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That actually sounds fair...

Maybe you two will bond with the passing of time! Heal, mend wounds together!!!  Cheesy  Cheesy

*edit:   And then peace was restored to the kingdom! They became friends and then they had a plenty bunch of children and the world was a better place! The End!!!  Cheesy  Cheesy

Not that likely, I am afraid. The world will only be a better place when the promotion of racism, hate, murder and genocide is not 'OK'


I do this for a living... and I need to make you think! ... So... in opinion of some... the concept of "peace & prosperity" are ideal and will probably happen. BUT!!!! ... The thing is that imagine a world after 300-400 years of no violence or any kind of rebellion... Do you consider that a healthy society?? Because if a breakaway civilization from the past or an encounter with another alien race (just a small rogue colony might be enough)... How do you think the reaction of those 'vegetable minded' people will be?? Smiley

So the actual problem that many don't understand is that you need to integrate "the promotion of racism, hate, murder and genocide is not 'OK' " ... into any future system that we have!   Wink

*edit:  The concept of "Peace" alone, by itself.. cannot stand the trial & error of time! Because its flawed! And you need constant balance! Smiley

You don't need to worry, I can think without help.  And I am not thinking about 300 years ahead, or thinking there will be 'peace' either.  There won't. Not in our lifetimes.

I am thinking a little more short term: who will keep the WO going as I want to hope it can?

Meanwhile, I might take on a few neo-nazis that crawl out from under the stinking sludge as I pass along - but that is just because I have a teeny-weeny problem with the advocation of mass murder of men, women and children upon racial grounds.

Maybe that makes me weird.  But I am unable to respond differently.  I happen to stupidly believe all human life is valuable and everyone has a right to live unchained.  It is part of why I am into Bitcoin and the personal freedom it offers - whatever religion, or skin colour.


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............ if I get no answer, you will have proved my worst fears about your ambition to take over the WO...............



I had to LOL for this part.... .....  I mean really, the power of the WO and more especially the power of whoever becomes the emperor of such.   hahahahah  LOL   hahahaha  LOL   haahahahahaha  lol   

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I thought the new owner was supposed to be someone who is a "regular" in the WO thread?



Are any of the candidates disqualified if that were one of the criteria?

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How do I change my vote? ... all this last minute politicking has changed my mind on suitability of the candidates.

Does empowering really have a connection with the monkey?

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How do I change my vote? ... all this last minute politicking has changed my mind on suitability of the candidates.

Does empowering really have a connection with the monkey?


Actually, I believe that this time around you are unable to change your vote, once you have voted.

In the last vote, there was a button that gave an option to change the vote, but this time, I don't see any such button that allows changing. 

I think that Theymos must have set up the vote NOT to allow changing of your vote once it is cast - and it seems as if the only way to change that ability is to rerun the whole poll, which seems to be a very highly unlikely proposition, at this point.

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I thought the new owner was supposed to be someone who is a "regular" in the WO thread?

 In option 1, Theymos used the word "active" which I believe was used to contrast the status of the current moderator, adamstgBit, which is "inactive".

 Option 3 stated: Move the current thread to a new Chat section which will be mostly ignored by bitcointalk.org mods, but will have its own set of mods pulled from the Wall Observer regulars in order to enforce some amount of order.

Are any of the candidates disqualified if that were one of the criteria?

 "Regular" was one of the criteria but only for option 3.  As we know, option 1 took the most votes.

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How do I change my vote? ... all this last minute politicking has changed my mind on suitability of the candidates.

Does empowering really have a connection with the monkey?


Actually, I believe that this time around you are unable to change your vote, once you have voted.

In the last vote, there was a button that gave an option to change the vote, but this time, I don't see any such button that allows changing. 

I think that Theymos must have set up the vote NOT to allow changing of your vote once it is cast - and it seems as if the only way to change that ability is to rerun the whole poll, which seems to be a very highly unlikely proposition, at this point.

I haven't seen the code, but most probably a single field change directly in the database could enable the "reset vote" button without losing current votes. Anyway, even if it is something Theymos could easily do, if he has chosen to structure the poll like this, then that's how it is.


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You don't need to worry, I can think without help.  And I am not thinking about 300 years ahead, or thinking there will be 'peace' either.  There won't. Not in our lifetimes.

I am thinking a little more short term: who will keep the WO going as I want to hope it can?

Meanwhile, I might take on a few neo-nazis that crawl out from under the stinking sludge as I pass along - but that is just because I have a teeny-weeny problem with the advocation of mass murder of men, women and children upon racial grounds.

Maybe that makes me weird.  But I am unable to respond differently.  I happen to stupidly believe all human life is valuable and everyone has a right to live unchained.  It is part of why I am into Bitcoin and the personal freedom it offers - whatever religion, or skin colour.





Exactly that will bring you to ruin and everyone else from the human race that prefers to think like that! We just don't need the likes of you!.. I'm not a racist, but I just don't like people that are weak in their ideals. Smiley

The brutal refusal of even thinking, suggests that you refuse even 1% effort to implement something that can impact 50% of your own or others future! Smiley ... That's just lazy and unworthy!  Roll Eyes
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Will you publish who voted for who again? I am not really familiar with some of these names to vote for them. I had hoped Jimbo would be a part of it.

I will declare a poll winner by considering who voted what, not just by counting votes.
How would you handle a situation with a large number of new accounts voting? The decision to consider 'who' voted is a step in the right direction, but I'm wondering how you would execute it if someone were to be leading by a large margin with e.g. such votes.


Lauda...


Beat it you tyrant... you kept deleting R0aches natzi posts... and that guy is pure gold entertainment!!! Smiley ... Do you think people come to these posts for speculation?? You are dead wrong!!! They come for entertainment!!! Smiley ... No one care who said what, when or maybe. Because 90% of the people with money from these posts don't listen to each other anyway! So its just simple chit chat between millionaires and billionaires that like to mock each other!!! Smiley

No matter who the moderator ends up being, I hope posts like R0ach's are allowed to stand. The thread will not be the same without the occasional Hitler/anti-jew meme pictures scattered about.

I think I just realized this thing is going to be a showdown between a crooked officer and an alt of cockroach. This is why democracy only works on really smart people.  Embarrassed

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How do I change my vote? ... all this last minute politicking has changed my mind on suitability of the candidates.

It's possible to change your vote now.

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as regards roach, i personally find his posts distateful, so for ages i just scrolled right past until eventually blocking him. seems to do the job, for him specifically, fine.

course i was always very much a fan of the hands off nature of the thread anyway. i mean, there have been way, way worse than roach, in my opinion. he at least sticks to a single account, as far as i am aware.
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Hi guys..

If I end up with this thread I would


Set up polls at least once a week..

Set up polls on what to do with the thread

Encourage a chartbuddy replacement/reincarnation  

Encourage Technical analysis and views

Post some newses

Post the occasional stupid ass meme

Will not be too heavy handed especially when there is quiet times...

Will be less tolerant of spammy/troll overdosing

It would be cool to set up some sort of beer escrow tip type thang


But also just have a laugh tbh -

Not really down for the racist shit either


Anyway- this place is going to go nuts over the next month or so regardless Wink

Totally down for a laugh - jus try n keep it classy y'know?









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ps. I killed my Monkey

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wait, why are we going nuts in a month? did i miss something huge, again?

poor monkey.
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If I end up with this thread I would...

Sounds good to me (except killing the Monkey, chap would be a vote-winner with the ladies).
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wait, why are we going nuts in a month? did i miss something huge, again?

Seriously? The HAPPENING!!!

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wait, why are we going nuts in a month? did i miss something huge, again?

Seriously? The HAPPENING!!!

...the what now?

edit: oh god, you mean the segwit2x deadline of august 1... right.
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wait, why are we going nuts in a month? did i miss something huge, again?

Seriously? The HAPPENING!!!

...the what now?

edit: oh god, you mean the segwit2x deadline of august 1... right.

Yep... and UASF, and... years waiting for a single moment like that. (I hope everything will go smooth though).

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Will you publish who voted for who again? I am not really familiar with some of these names to vote for them. I had hoped Jimbo would be a part of it.

I will declare a poll winner by considering who voted what, not just by counting votes.
How would you handle a situation with a large number of new accounts voting? The decision to consider 'who' voted is a step in the right direction, but I'm wondering how you would execute it if someone were to be leading by a large margin with e.g. such votes.


Lauda...


Beat it you tyrant... you kept deleting R0aches natzi posts... and that guy is pure gold entertainment!!! Smiley ... Do you think people come to these posts for speculation?? You are dead wrong!!! They come for entertainment!!! Smiley ... No one care who said what, when or maybe. Because 90% of the people with money from these posts don't listen to each other anyway! So its just simple chit chat between millionaires and billionaires that like to mock each other!!! Smiley

No matter who the moderator ends up being, I hope posts like R0ach's are allowed to stand. The thread will not be the same without the occasional Hitler/anti-jew meme pictures scattered about.

I think I just realized this thing is going to be a showdown between a crooked officer and an alt of cockroach. This is why democracy only works on really smart people.  Embarrassed

If that was aimed at me, I'm flattered. I'll just clarify by saying I subscribe to the American notion of free speech and not the European version. I don't believe in censoring speech just because it makes a few people uncomfortable. That said, the thread isn't a place for hate speech or calls for genocide.

And speaking of R0ach, he's a staple of the thread - even if not a well liked one.
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Hi guys..

If I end up with this thread I would


Set up polls at least once a week..

Set up polls on what to do with the thread

Encourage a chartbuddy replacement/reincarnation  

Encourage Technical analysis and views

Post some newses

Post the occasional stupid ass meme

Will not be too heavy handed especially when there is quiet times...

Will be less tolerant of spammy/troll overdosing

It would be cool to set up some sort of beer escrow tip type thang


But also just have a laugh tbh -

Not really down for the racist shit either


Anyway- this place is going to go nuts over the next month or so regardless Wink

Totally down for a laugh - jus try n keep it classy y'know?


awesome ... and candy for the children, goodies for everyone etc? Grin

you need to hug some babies on camera to seal the deal usually ... you got my vote already btw.


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wait, why are we going nuts in a month? did i miss something huge, again?

Seriously? The HAPPENING!!!

...the what now?

edit: oh god, you mean the segwit2x deadline of august 1... right.

Yep... and UASF, and... years waiting for a single moment like that. (I hope everything will go smooth though).

I am kind of questioning whether we are going to be able to identify any particular moment with any kind of preciseness...


for example, a moment in which we are assured that segwit is locked in because there are likely going to be some insiders who know way ahead of time about the inevitability of the dynamics to cause the price to move upwardly long before the mere mortals come to the realization that it REALLY IS LOCKED in....

Maybe I am being too pessimistic? or buying too much into the disparity of information conspiracies?

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Will you publish who voted for who again? I am not really familiar with some of these names to vote for them. I had hoped Jimbo would be a part of it.

I will declare a poll winner by considering who voted what, not just by counting votes.
How would you handle a situation with a large number of new accounts voting? The decision to consider 'who' voted is a step in the right direction, but I'm wondering how you would execute it if someone were to be leading by a large margin with e.g. such votes.


Lauda...


Beat it you tyrant... you kept deleting R0aches natzi posts... and that guy is pure gold entertainment!!! Smiley ... Do you think people come to these posts for speculation?? You are dead wrong!!! They come for entertainment!!! Smiley ... No one care who said what, when or maybe. Because 90% of the people with money from these posts don't listen to each other anyway! So its just simple chit chat between millionaires and billionaires that like to mock each other!!! Smiley

No matter who the moderator ends up being, I hope posts like R0ach's are allowed to stand. The thread will not be the same without the occasional Hitler/anti-jew meme pictures scattered about.

I think I just realized this thing is going to be a showdown between a crooked officer and an alt of cockroach. This is why democracy only works on really smart people.  Embarrassed

If that was aimed at me, I'm flattered. I'll just clarify by saying I subscribe to the American notion of free speech and not the European version. I don't believe in censoring speech just because it makes a few people uncomfortable. That said, the thread isn't a place for hate speech or calls for genocide.

And speaking of R0ach, he's a staple of the thread - even if not a well liked one.


If you were the owner, it is a given that you would have quite a bit of discretion in the deletion of posts direction, and I agree that overall you may want to employ a strategy that is very tolerant - however, even you must admit that from time to time Roach gets a bit carried away, and maybe it would not be a bad idea to, once in a while, delete a post or two of his, maybe in order to encourage him to temper down a bit with some of the offensiveness...

Deleting a post here or there would not likely stop him from posting, and I don't really have any problem with his posting about some of the baloney stuff that he does whether it is hate inspired or PM pumping... however, there could be a way to delete once in a while and surely he would have a copy of his deleted post and maybe he could rethink whether to attempt editing it  and reposting? .. and I don't even think that it is necessary for you to justify your deletions concerning whether they are consistent or not, as long as you keep with your overall tolerance philosophy, which you seem to have a decent way of framing tolerance and I have not seen inconsistent actions from you, yet...

I just hope you don't get any stylistic trainings .. or heading too much in that direction...

If I indicate once in a while deleting roach or even some senior members, including myself, I am not suggesting going hog wild, of course, or categorically disallowing - but any of us could become pretty extreme from time to time.. and some of our posts could seem aimed more at enticing outrage rather than making some kind of meaningful point that relates to anything other than inspiring hate...

I have not put anyone on ignore, but I have developed some pretty decent skimming skills thanks to roach..   Cheesy Cheesy.   Thank you Roach.   Tongue Tongue

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Hi guys..

If I end up with this thread I would


Set up polls at least once a week..

Set up polls on what to do with the thread

Encourage a chartbuddy replacement/reincarnation  

Encourage Technical analysis and views

Post some newses

Post the occasional stupid ass meme

Will not be too heavy handed especially when there is quiet times...

Will be less tolerant of spammy/troll overdosing

It would be cool to set up some sort of beer escrow tip type thang


But also just have a laugh tbh -

Not really down for the racist shit either


Anyway- this place is going to go nuts over the next month or so regardless Wink

Totally down for a laugh - jus try n keep it classy y'know?


awesome ... and candy for the children, goodies for everyone etc? Grin

you need to hug some babies on camera to seal the deal usually ... you got my vote already btw.



Fake News!!

Heh heh you got me Wink

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I'll ignore apparent vote-stuffing completely.

Probably I'll be able to tell the proper ordering by just skimming the color-coded voter list. In edge cases, I might devise some sort of point system.
Thanks.

Lauda is in the lead atm? Who would have thought....  Shocked
Indeed. Then again, I almost don't know the people listed and had expected others to be candidates(?).

I do not.  When he was a Mod, I asked Lauda why posts I had written were deletd and r0ach's anti-semitic hate posts were untouched on the same page.  

He did not answer.

For me intolerance to the point of advocating genocide and the killing of millions of people is NOT really ok.  It's kind a red line issue.

So in the interests of an open debate, what is your position Lauda? Do you just crave the power? Can you tell us if you're a light touch, laissez-faire type, or a totalitarian?
I had reported roach to be banned at least once. Infinitely deleting his reports from that position was futile as long as the senior moderation/administration wasn't going to do anything about it. In the end, he was never banned. Rule wise, I think no altcoin talk and no anti-semitic hate stuff (et. al.) is fair and not too restrictive. I like the speculation thread, at times, and I occasionally drop by to post (which was getting increasingly harder and frustrating with the shitcoin spam in there). I am open to suggestions though.
I explicitly remember debating whether I should remove the old poll from that thread, but as a moderator I couldn't create new ones (thus I never followed up on this idea).

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awesome ... and candy for the children, goodies for everyone etc? Grin

you need to hug some babies on camera to seal the deal usually ... you got my vote already btw.
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wait, why are we going nuts in a month? did i miss something huge, again?

Seriously? The HAPPENING!!!

...the what now?

edit: oh god, you mean the segwit2x deadline of august 1... right.

Yep... and UASF, and... years waiting for a single moment like that. (I hope everything will go smooth though).

I am kind of questioning whether we are going to be able to identify any particular moment with any kind of preciseness...


for example, a moment in which we are assured that segwit is locked in because there are likely going to be some insiders who know way ahead of time about the inevitability of the dynamics to cause the price to move upwardly long before the mere mortals come to the realization that it REALLY IS LOCKED in....

Maybe I am being too pessimistic? or buying too much into the disparity of information conspiracies?

I was closely following the Litecoin segwit signaling and activation process. Yes, there is a moment in which it will be clear that even if all of them stop signaling there are already enough signaled blocks to lock it at the end of the period. Of course, you can assume way sooner that locking won't be stopped with a 95-95% chance of being right.

I do expect that miners play a little with their hashrate/signaling as they did with Litecoin though. And as they are actually doing right now with Bitcoin (see coindance).

It will be a very fun and interesting process to watch (and trade) in real time.... and talk about it in our reopened WO Smiley

P.S.: Hopefully with an owner/moderator that allows references to altcoins for comparison (such as Litecoin in this specific case).

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July 06, 2017, 09:31:36 AM
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wait, why are we going nuts in a month? did i miss something huge, again?

Seriously? The HAPPENING!!!

...the what now?

edit: oh god, you mean the segwit2x deadline of august 1... right.

Yep... and UASF, and... years waiting for a single moment like that. (I hope everything will go smooth though).

I am kind of questioning whether we are going to be able to identify any particular moment with any kind of preciseness...


for example, a moment in which we are assured that segwit is locked in because there are likely going to be some insiders who know way ahead of time about the inevitability of the dynamics to cause the price to move upwardly long before the mere mortals come to the realization that it REALLY IS LOCKED in....

Maybe I am being too pessimistic? or buying too much into the disparity of information conspiracies?

I was closely following the Litecoin segwit signaling and activation process. Yes, there is a moment in which it will be clear that even if all of them stop signaling there are already enough signaled blocks to lock it at the end of the period. Of course, you can assume way sooner that locking won't be stopped with a 95-95% chance of being right.

I do expect that miners play a little with their hashrate/signaling as they did with Litecoin though. And as they are actually doing right now with Bitcoin (see coindance).

It will be a very fun and interesting process to watch (and trade) in real time.... and talk about it in our reopened WO Smiley

P.S.: Hopefully with an owner/moderator that allows references to altcoins for comparison (in this case Litecoin).


Great points!!!


I do disagree with pure alt coin pumping in the WO thread - however, like you suggested and a lot of us are coming to realize there is a lot of symbiosis in the current bitcoin space in respect to various alt coin pumpings and dumpings... and yeah.. the litecoin segwit comparison should be a helpful speculation factor and to witness the extent to which bitcoin might play out similarly or with some differences, too.


And, yeah, some of the trolls are already seeming to get to a bit of desperation because they keep attempting to argue that 2mb and a hardfork is baked into a significant adoption of segwit2x, when the fact of the matter remains way more consensus building around segwit rather than either the 2x matter or the hardfork matter or their seeming more important goal to change governance by booting core.

And, yeah the WO thread is likely going to be a decent ongoing way to attempt to measure these matters while also maybe having more faith in the representation of some of the regular posters as compared to the newbie goofballs that come in with their standard talking points....

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that's twice now that @empowering has come late to a thread promising laughs and activities

while his manifesto is now the most comprehensive, can he deliver it in real time?

can anyone else be bothered to expand theirs beyond a scattered line or two?

might mass changes of vote at this late stage stand Lauda a chance, which is something ~77% do not want?
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I do not.  When he was a Mod, I asked Lauda why posts I had written were deletd and r0ach's anti-semitic hate posts were untouched on the same page.  

He did not answer.

For me intolerance to the point of advocating genocide and the killing of millions of people is NOT really ok.  It's kind a red line issue.

So in the interests of an open debate, what is your position Lauda? Do you just crave the power? Can you tell us if you're a light touch, laissez-faire type, or a totalitarian?
I had reported roach to be banned at least once. Infinitely deleting his reports from that position was futile as long as the senior moderation/administration wasn't going to do anything about it. In the end, he was never banned. Rule wise, I think no altcoin talk and no anti-semitic hate stuff (et. al.) is fair and not too restrictive. I like the speculation thread, at times, and I occasionally drop by to post (which was getting increasingly harder and frustrating with the shitcoin spam in there). I am open to suggestions though.
I explicitly remember debating whether I should remove the old poll from that thread, but as a moderator I couldn't create new ones (thus I never followed up on this idea).

I don't want anyone banned, just totally OTT racist hatred frowned upon and removed if it's extreme.

I will take you at your word you did your best, you may well have - thanks for addressing this.

I am afraid my vote has gone elsewhere, but I am glad you have entered the debate on style and lightness of touch - people do want to know.


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wait, why are we going nuts in a month? did i miss something huge, again?

Seriously? The HAPPENING!!!

...the what now?

edit: oh god, you mean the segwit2x deadline of august 1... right.

Yep... and UASF, and... years waiting for a single moment like that. (I hope everything will go smooth though).

I am kind of questioning whether we are going to be able to identify any particular moment with any kind of preciseness...


for example, a moment in which we are assured that segwit is locked in because there are likely going to be some insiders who know way ahead of time about the inevitability of the dynamics to cause the price to move upwardly long before the mere mortals come to the realization that it REALLY IS LOCKED in....

Maybe I am being too pessimistic? or buying too much into the disparity of information conspiracies?

I was closely following the Litecoin segwit signaling and activation process. Yes, there is a moment in which it will be clear that even if all of them stop signaling there are already enough signaled blocks to lock it at the end of the period. Of course, you can assume way sooner that locking won't be stopped with a 95-95% chance of being right.

I do expect that miners play a little with their hashrate/signaling as they did with Litecoin though. And as they are actually doing right now with Bitcoin (see coindance).

It will be a very fun and interesting process to watch (and trade) in real time.... and talk about it in our reopened WO Smiley

P.S.: Hopefully with an owner/moderator that allows references to altcoins for comparison (such as Litecoin in this specific case).


Of course it's relevant.  Mention of alts never really needed policing, the thread members tend to flame it in any case.

The WO always veered off-topic, it was part of its appeal.  But the crowd all piled in to check which way the wind was blowing when there was action.  It was always a great barometer of sentiment, if not THE barometer of sentiment in crypto.

Such was (and hopefully will continue to be) its value.

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that's twice now that @empowering has come late to a thread promising laughs and activities

while his manifesto is now the most comprehensive, can he deliver it in real time?

can anyone else be bothered to expand theirs beyond a scattered line or two?

might mass changes of vote at this late stage stand Lauda a chance, which is something ~77% do not want?

I  admit I threw my hat in late, and I have had a busy few days.. but I DO have the time and the will - and I actually would like to do it... if that makes any difference.

I really enjoyed this thread over the years,  lets hope it remains a fun place to hang out, chew the cud, catch up on newses and check the forecasts of doooooooooooooooooom!  

If so then it is all good.

I spend most of my time eyeballing charts..... I do still have a picture of Monkey on the wall.

Also see my signature.














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wait, why are we going nuts in a month? did i miss something huge, again?

Seriously? The HAPPENING!!!

...the what now?

edit: oh god, you mean the segwit2x deadline of august 1... right.

Yep... and UASF, and... years waiting for a single moment like that. (I hope everything will go smooth though).

I am kind of questioning whether we are going to be able to identify any particular moment with any kind of preciseness...


for example, a moment in which we are assured that segwit is locked in because there are likely going to be some insiders who know way ahead of time about the inevitability of the dynamics to cause the price to move upwardly long before the mere mortals come to the realization that it REALLY IS LOCKED in....

Maybe I am being too pessimistic? or buying too much into the disparity of information conspiracies?

I was closely following the Litecoin segwit signaling and activation process. Yes, there is a moment in which it will be clear that even if all of them stop signaling there are already enough signaled blocks to lock it at the end of the period. Of course, you can assume way sooner that locking won't be stopped with a 95-95% chance of being right.

I do expect that miners play a little with their hashrate/signaling as they did with Litecoin though. And as they are actually doing right now with Bitcoin (see coindance).

It will be a very fun and interesting process to watch (and trade) in real time.... and talk about it in our reopened WO Smiley

P.S.: Hopefully with an owner/moderator that allows references to altcoins for comparison (such as Litecoin in this specific case).


Of course it's relevant.  Mention of alts never really needed policing, the thread members tend to flame it in any case.

The WO always veered off-topic, it was part of its appeal.  But the crowd all piled in to check which way the wind was blowing when there was action.  It was always a great barometer of sentiment, if not THE barometer of sentiment in crypto.

Such was (and hopefully will continue to be) its value.



Agreed

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wait, why are we going nuts in a month? did i miss something huge, again?

Seriously? The HAPPENING!!!

...the what now?

edit: oh god, you mean the segwit2x deadline of august 1... right.


I expect general hysteria- fear and euphoria

(.... so like most months around here Wink )

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July 06, 2017, 01:53:38 PM
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that's twice now that @empowering has come late to a thread promising laughs and activities

while his manifesto is now the most comprehensive, can he deliver it in real time?

can anyone else be bothered to expand theirs beyond a scattered line or two?

might mass changes of vote at this late stage stand Lauda a chance, which is something ~77% do not want?

I  admit I threw my hat in late, and I have had a busy few days.. but I DO have the time and the will - and I actually would like to do it... if that makes any difference.

I really enjoyed this thread over the years,  lets hope it remains a fun place to hang out, chew the cud, catch up on newses and check the forecasts of doooooooooooooooooom!  

If so then it is all good.

I spend most of my time eyeballing charts..... I do still have a picture of Monkey on the wall.

Also see my signature.

I threw my hat in the ring somewhat reluctantly, feeling a sense of duty after the success of the (unmoderated) WO fork.

It sounds like you want it more, and FWIW I think you'd be a good moderator.
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eh? really? why are we getting rid of the masterpiece that was that thread?

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I  admit I threw my hat in late, and I have had a busy few days.. but I DO have the time and the will - and I actually would like to do it... if that makes any difference.

I really enjoyed this thread over the years,  lets hope it remains a fun place to hang out, chew the cud, catch up on newses and check the forecasts of doooooooooooooooooom!  

If so then it is all good.

I spend most of my time eyeballing charts..... I do still have a picture of Monkey on the wall.

Also see my signature.

I threw my hat in the ring somewhat reluctantly, feeling a sense of duty after the success of the (unmoderated) WO fork.

It sounds like you want it more, and FWIW I think you'd be a good moderator.

If this is the passing of the reins that it seems to be, I'm all for it. Consensus in the community is a good thing. Meuh recently locked the phoenix fork and directed users here, so I assume that's another vote in favor.

Now if only the scaling debate could come to a consensus as quickly and easily...
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@Theymos- any chance of allowing people to change their votes due to changing circumstances?
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I don't want anyone banned, just totally OTT racist hatred frowned upon and removed if it's extreme.
It does not matter whether you wanted someone banned. The moderation goes as follows: Moderator deletes your X posts -> you should not repost them or create posts of the similar type. Basically with r0ach, he just kept going on and on, thus ignoring the warnings (which are post deletions themselves). The next course of action is to request a ban (since most moderators can't issue them), which I did (as deleting was futile). Unfortunately, nobody picked up on that.

I am afraid my vote has gone elsewhere, but I am glad you have entered the debate on style and lightness of touch - people do want to know.
That is perfectly fine. I'm not trying to push my way in. As previously said, I like the thread occasionally but it has been ruined by altcoin/r0ach spam most of the time.

@Theymos- any chance of allowing people to change their votes due to changing circumstances?
Here:
How do I change my vote? ... all this last minute politicking has changed my mind on suitability of the candidates.
It's possible to change your vote now.

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I just hope you don't get any stylistic trainings .. or heading too much in that direction...

I was thinking about nested quotes - wouldn't it be better if they were collapsible? The first level would be expanded by default and all higher levels collapsed. If a person needed extra context, they would hit a button or link to expand those higher levels. This could be achieved with simple CSS.
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I was thinking about nested quotes - wouldn't it be better if they were collapsible? The first level would be expanded by default and all higher levels collapsed. If a person needed extra context, they would hit a button or link to expand those higher levels. This could be achieved with simple CSS.
I do not think that such a change is likely to occur for the current forum. I don't recall how it works in the beta of the new software, but you should check it out and recommend it there. I am not exactly sure how this is relevant to the OP though. Tongue

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I was thinking about nested quotes - wouldn't it be better if they were collapsible? The first level would be expanded by default and all higher levels collapsed. If a person needed extra context, they would hit a button or link to expand those higher levels. This could be achieved with simple CSS.
I do not think that such a change is likely to occur for the current forum. I don't recall how it works in the beta of the new software, but you should check it out and recommend it there. I am not exactly sure how this is relevant to the OP though. Tongue


I think in the Meuh thread some folks were irritated when he created a rule and deleted posts because of the "laziness" of over quoting.  He thought it would be good to prune ; however, it may be better, as Yefi suggest, to have programing that causes nesting rather than people complaining about over nesting.

Regarding an elected moderator to bow out or pass the baton, that seems a bit problematic - but many of the voters here were likely of the impression that anyone running for such WO "owner" position would be committed to carrying out such duties for a reasonable period of time, such as a year or more.. ... and well, I suppose in the end, it is up to Theymos if he believes that passing on ownership would be reasonable or if he would go through some other process, such as an election.. or maybe extending the election based on new information.

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I think in the Meuh thread some folks were irritated when he created a rule and deleted posts because of the "laziness" of over quoting.  He thought it would be good to prune ; however, it may be better, as Yefi suggest, to have programing that causes nesting rather than people complaining about over nesting.
Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up. Well, over-quoting is definitely problematic and I don't understand why some users persist in doing it.

Regarding an elected moderator to bow out or pass the baton, that seems a bit problematic - but many of the voters here were likely of the impression that anyone running for such WO "owner" position would be committed to carrying out such duties for a reasonable period of time, such as a year or more.. ... and well, I suppose in the end, it is up to Theymos if he believes that passing on ownership would be reasonable or if he would go through some other process, such as an election.. or maybe extending the election based on new information.
Usually the original owner of a self-moderated thread can impose any kind of rule-set. This means that they could just delete all of your posts just because they don't like your username. However, this is a very special case of transferring ownership. I do agree that a time period should be chosen (by theymos), after which it should be re-visited and decided whether the current owner should continue being the owner or whether someone else should be assigned to it.

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July 06, 2017, 06:22:41 PM
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My vote goes to infofront.

Seems to me the blatantly racist shit ought to be out of bounds. Maybe I'm a Jew. Maybe the monkey is. Who's to say?

Well is racism a rule?

Hey.. Can we get a rule about posting scam coins?
Racist commentary is not exactly high on my list of concerns here..
How about moving ICO coins into a new forum section?

But I vote Spoetnik I here good things about that guy.
Not that I have even the faintest clue what so ever what I am voting for though..
I'm just bummed I missed out on some of Roaches controversial posts Sad
You all can't deny their sneaky ways and predatory lending practices are getting out of hand.

A vote for Spoetnik is a vote for FUD!

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Nothing like scrolling past a whole page of a large quotes with one stupid sentence underneath it.

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My vote goes to infofront.

Seems to me the blatantly racist shit ought to be out of bounds. Maybe I'm a Jew. Maybe the monkey is. Who's to say?

Not that I have even the faintest clue what so ever what I am voting

Sput! You cray Cheesy

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@Theymos- any chance of allowing people to change their votes due to changing circumstances?

I'm not Theymos, but on my screen I see a 'Remove Vote' option that will let you un-vote or re-vote if you want.

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Since this seems to have become the thread where candidates come to campaign, I'd like to ask Mr. Lauda a question regarding his recent alleged foray into the heady world of extortion rackets. Having recently been removed from a position of authority, do you believe you are the best person to moderate what is arguably the forum's most prominent thread?

Also, do you think I could be involved in your next undercover operation?

NB. This is the official alt account of BMB, this account will not be participating in the poll.

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Since this seems to have become the thread where candidates come to campaign, I'd like to ask Mr. Lauda a question regarding his recent alleged foray into the heady world of extortion rackets.
"Mr.", sexist? "Recent"?

Having recently been removed from a position of authority, do you believe you are the best person to moderate what is arguably the forum's most prominent thread?
What I believe is not relevant. The people pick the person (or being) that they want.

Also, do you think I could be involved in your next undercover operation?
No. Go troll someone else, idiot. Roll Eyes

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What you believe is relevant. But don't bother with that crotchety old codswallop. Everybody makes mistakes.

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Having recently been removed from a position of authority, do you believe you are the best person to moderate what is arguably the forum's most prominent thread?
What I believe is not relevant. The people pick the person (or being) that they want.



hahahaha...

People pick the cat, or the non-cat that they like.  


Personally, I would not mind having a penquin.... but we cannot always get what we want in this world... so we gots ourselves compromises...

Cheesy




By the way, anyone find it a bit of a strange thing that so far, we have had fewer voters in this particular poll as compared with the what to do with the thread poll...

As I type 90 voted in this poll and 155 voted in the other poll.

Sure we have a few days left, yet I would have thought that with the passage of time, more members would have attempted to log into the WO thread and then gravitated towards these voting threads... and just that more votes would have come through in a shorter period of time

I guess my tentative theory is that WO participants are much more fleeting than I had considered and they seem to be more gravitating towards such WO thread when we have extremes in BTC price movements - which have not been happening in the last couple of weeks.  Prices have been relatively flat in the $2350 to $2700 price range in the last couple weeks, since the locking of the WO thread....

Time for a break out in terms of prices and in terms of recharging the allegedly "fleeting" WO posse?

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Since this seems to have become the thread where candidates come to campaign, I'd like to ask Mr. Lauda a question regarding his recent alleged foray into the heady world of extortion rackets.
"Mr.", sexist? "Recent"?

Every creature on earth specializes in something through evolution.  Through millions of years, men evolved to specialize in hunting and building things, and since women are phsycially weaker and incapable of surviving on their own, they evolved to specialize in prostitution - to portray themselves like a fishing lure or peacock wearing bright colors attempting to attract attention from a male in order to extract resources and protection from them.

To claim men and women are the same or equal is utterly hilarious when they're not remotely similar.  To know the mind of a woman is to know the mind of a prostitute.  They're generally "takers" by nature, looking solely for an asymmetric relationship that favors themselves.  This is why men get along and women don't.  You can't have two prostitutes standing on the same street corner, it just doesn't work.  Two men can collaborate on building something together even in a zero sum game because they can work out a 50/50 split.  Such a split is considered offensive to a woman.  Utilitarianism is a completely alien concept to them.  

This is why when you look outside your window, every brick was put there by a man.  The people who are actually doing the building have to be in charge.  You can't allow prostitutes to be in charge because they're just looking to outsource the job to someone else and civilization would instantly collapse.  It's not just that women are prostitutes by nature, it's also that men are proactive and women are reactive.  This is due to testosterone making men less scared of risk.  In a matriarchal society, women would probably never go to mars.  In a patriarchal society, men would definitely go, and maybe everyone would die on the way there, but at least it would happen.

This concludes your lesson on why men and women are not equal or even remotely similar no matter how much of an artificial, marxist reality distortion bubble you believe into existence around yourself.

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I'll ignore apparent vote-stuffing completely.

Probably I'll be able to tell the proper ordering by just skimming the color-coded voter list. In edge cases, I might devise some sort of point system.
Thanks.

Lauda is in the lead atm? Who would have thought....  Shocked
Indeed. Then again, I almost don't know the people listed and had expected others to be candidates(?).

I do not.  When he was a Mod, I asked Lauda why posts I had written were deletd and r0ach's anti-semitic hate posts were untouched on the same page.  

He did not answer.

For me intolerance to the point of advocating genocide and the killing of millions of people is NOT really ok.  It's kind a red line issue.

So in the interests of an open debate, what is your position Lauda? Do you just crave the power? Can you tell us if you're a light touch, laissez-faire type, or a totalitarian?
Rule wise, I think no altcoin talk and no anti-semitic hate stuff (et. al.) is fair and not too restrictive.
Does "no altcoin talk" apply to every single mention of altcoins, or is it acceptable to mention altcoins in relation to Bitcoin?

For example, I say "ETH's system encourages maximalism because it attempts to have all altcoins built on its platform and bring all the hype with it.  To insult people for 'Bitcoin maximalism' is plain dumb if the altcoin you're promoting directly tries to trigger it's own maximalism'".

Would that sort of post be okay and discussion about that topic?
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Would that sort of post be okay and discussion about that topic?

In my view FWIW the ecosystem that Bitcoin exists in is so heavily interlinked with Altcoins - that references to them are  natural and even inevitable, so discussions which stray onto Altcoins are fine in my view- obviously to an extent, I think its just the excessive hardcore shilling, spamming, trolling aimed at promoting altcoins, ICO's POnzi's P&D's etc which are less fine and more likely to get on peoples nerves? or simply be better placed in another thread? That being said this thread has turned into a general hang out, so you know- as long as it doesn't turn into the Shitcoin thread - don't think its toooo much of a problem? as has been mentioned also- it generally goes down like a sack of Ether in a flash crash around here, so it doesn't really get much traction when it is an overt sales pitch.





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Does "no altcoin talk" apply to every single mention of altcoins, or is it acceptable to mention altcoins in relation to Bitcoin?

Altcoin talk is inevitable because bitcoin currently has a reverse Schelling point.  Network effect assumes infinite scalability, so unless bitcoin has orders of magnitude extra scaling to spare, people will utilize other coins in order to avoid usurious transaction fees.  Telling everyone "hey, you're forced to use bitcoin no matter what!" is a pro-usury stance if you're advocating a fixed block size or already know that scaling will always be severely limited.  I don't see LN as a magic bullet to fix it.  It would just take some burden off the chain for inter-bank transactions done by channels because LN will never work in a decentralized manner without putting all transactions in the same centralized common que or turning into Mike Hearn-style hub and spoke bitcoin banks.

The likely endgame will either be:

1)  people constantly migrating from coin to coin seeking lower fees causing the whole ecosystem to die from dilution

2)  everyone going into some uncapped blocksize coin like Monero

3)  everyone going into some much more centralized system like DPOS with higher scaling and lower fees then abandoning it because it's centralized

This is why the whole blocksize scaling issue is kind of a moot point.  The market at large cares more about fees at the end of the day than decentralization (especially people like the Chinese), so it's going to go wherever there is liquidity + decent fees with some type of illusion of decentralization regardless what bitcoin does.  Unless LN was some type of ironclad scaling solution (which I don't believe it is), betting the house on LN will just be the equivalent of pumping Monero or Litecoin or both.

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To claim men and women are the same or equal is utterly hilarious when they're not remotely similar.  To know the mind of a woman is to know the mind of a prostitute. They're generally "takers" by nature, looking solely for an asymmetric relationship that favors themselves.  This is why men get along and women don't.  You can't have two prostitutes standing on the same street corner, it just doesn't work.  Two men can collaborate on building something together even in a zero sum game because they can work out a 50/50 split.  Such a split is considered offensive to a woman.  Utilitarianism is a completely alien concept to them.  



WTF did I just read  Cheesy Cheesy ?

Do you actually believe this ?

That is some far out fubar shit brother!  Can't help but think you have been exposed to the wrong sorta women - or have been a doormat or been badly burnt by one/several/all of the women in your life?

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To claim men and women are the same or equal is utterly hilarious when they're not remotely similar.  To know the mind of a woman is to know the mind of a prostitute. They're generally "takers" by nature, looking solely for an asymmetric relationship that favors themselves.  This is why men get along and women don't.  You can't have two prostitutes standing on the same street corner, it just doesn't work.  Two men can collaborate on building something together even in a zero sum game because they can work out a 50/50 split. Such a split is considered offensive to a woman.  Utilitarianism is a completely alien concept to them.  



WTF did I just read  Cheesy Cheesy ?

Do you actually believe this ?

That is some far out fubar shit brother!  Can't help but think you have been exposed to the wrong sorta women - or have been a doormat or been badly burnt by one/several/all of the women in your life?


He is actually right... 9 out of 10 women that I know... are exactly like he said! ... Women in their nature... because of the history context, of them being leverage for aliens, they where trade slaves or a commodity for us to bargain our existence on this planet with the invader alliens! Cheesy Cheesy
Their mentality is something similar to cats... because someone else needs to take care of them! Smiley
Because it is in their genetic matter to be a commodity, a good, a house pet! Cheesy Cheesy
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To claim men and women are the same or equal is utterly hilarious when they're not remotely similar.  To know the mind of a woman is to know the mind of a prostitute. They're generally "takers" by nature, looking solely for an asymmetric relationship that favors themselves.  This is why men get along and women don't.  You can't have two prostitutes standing on the same street corner, it just doesn't work.  Two men can collaborate on building something together even in a zero sum game because they can work out a 50/50 split. Such a split is considered offensive to a woman.  Utilitarianism is a completely alien concept to them.  



WTF did I just read  Cheesy Cheesy ?

Do you actually believe this ?

That is some far out fubar shit brother!  Can't help but think you have been exposed to the wrong sorta women - or have been a doormat or been badly burnt by one/several/all of the women in your life?


He is actually right... 9 out of 10 women that I know... are exactly like he said! ... Women in their nature... because of the history context, of them being leverage for aliens, they where trade slaves or a commodity for us to bargain our existence on this planet with the invader alliens! Cheesy Cheesy
Their mentality is something similar to cats... because someone else needs to take care of them! Smiley
Because it is in their genetic matter to be a commodity, a good, a house pet! Cheesy Cheesy


hahahaha

Yeah right...

Let's put on a demonstration, just in case Theymos does not know, about how stupid-ass we can become in regards to our off-topicness and our attempts to provoke.. Wink

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To claim men and women are the same or equal is utterly hilarious when they're not remotely similar.  To know the mind of a woman is to know the mind of a prostitute. They're generally "takers" by nature, looking solely for an asymmetric relationship that favors themselves.  This is why men get along and women don't.  You can't have two prostitutes standing on the same street corner, it just doesn't work.  Two men can collaborate on building something together even in a zero sum game because they can work out a 50/50 split. Such a split is considered offensive to a woman.  Utilitarianism is a completely alien concept to them.  



WTF did I just read  Cheesy Cheesy ?

Do you actually believe this ?

That is some far out fubar shit brother!  Can't help but think you have been exposed to the wrong sorta women - or have been a doormat or been badly burnt by one/several/all of the women in your life?


He is actually right... 9 out of 10 women that I know... are exactly like he said! ... Women in their nature... because of the history context, of them being leverage for aliens, they where trade slaves or a commodity for us to bargain our existence on this planet with the invader alliens! Cheesy Cheesy
Their mentality is something similar to cats... because someone else needs to take care of them! Smiley
Because it is in their genetic matter to be a commodity, a good, a house pet! Cheesy Cheesy

WTF? That's some twisted bullshit. Very disgusting you think like that. Cats are *perfect genetic machines* that don't need anyone else to take care of them. They can tolerate it and even enjoy human interaction up to some degree though.

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To claim men and women are the same or equal is utterly hilarious when they're not remotely similar.  To know the mind of a woman is to know the mind of a prostitute. They're generally "takers" by nature, looking solely for an asymmetric relationship that favors themselves.  This is why men get along and women don't.  You can't have two prostitutes standing on the same street corner, it just doesn't work.  Two men can collaborate on building something together even in a zero sum game because they can work out a 50/50 split. Such a split is considered offensive to a woman.  Utilitarianism is a completely alien concept to them.  



WTF did I just read  Cheesy Cheesy ?

Do you actually believe this ?

That is some far out fubar shit brother!  Can't help but think you have been exposed to the wrong sorta women - or have been a doormat or been badly burnt by one/several/all of the women in your life?


He is actually right... 9 out of 10 women that I know... are exactly like he is speaking! ... Women because of the history context of them being leverage for aliens, they where trade slaves or a commodity for us to bargain our existence on this planet with the invader alliens! Cheesy Cheesy
Their mentality is something similar to cats... because someone else needs to take care of them! Smiley

Wow...

I do not trust you two as a decent enough sample set - all women or 9/10 women are prostitutes seems a little bit of a sweeping a statement to me  Cheesy

I know plenty of hard working, intelligent, independent, funny, adventurous, loving compassionate, passionate,
dedicated , giving, warm, generous, women , with so much to give and amazing attitudes  that they frankly put plenty of the "men" I know to shame....

I know plenty of crazy women too- messed up troubled, batshit crazy, but even most of them have got good hearts.. and are quite independent.  
 
I struggle to think of all women as "whores" personally but maybe that's jus' me - maybe its a cultural thing...





Anyway say hi to your mothers,sisters,girlfriends wives, daughters and grandmas from me though Wink





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To claim men and women are the same or equal is utterly hilarious when they're not remotely similar.  To know the mind of a woman is to know the mind of a prostitute. They're generally "takers" by nature, looking solely for an asymmetric relationship that favors themselves.  This is why men get along and women don't.  You can't have two prostitutes standing on the same street corner, it just doesn't work.  Two men can collaborate on building something together even in a zero sum game because they can work out a 50/50 split. Such a split is considered offensive to a woman.  Utilitarianism is a completely alien concept to them.  



WTF did I just read  Cheesy Cheesy ?

Do you actually believe this ?

That is some far out fubar shit brother!  Can't help but think you have been exposed to the wrong sorta women - or have been a doormat or been badly burnt by one/several/all of the women in your life?


He is actually right... 9 out of 10 women that I know... are exactly like he said! ... Women in their nature... because of the history context, of them being leverage for aliens, they where trade slaves or a commodity for us to bargain our existence on this planet with the invader alliens! Cheesy Cheesy
Their mentality is something similar to cats... because someone else needs to take care of them! Smiley
Because it is in their genetic matter to be a commodity, a good, a house pet! Cheesy Cheesy


hahahaha

Yeah right...

Let's put on a demonstration, just in case Theymos does not know, about how stupid-ass we can become in regards to our off-topicness and our attempts to provoke.. Wink





But... the bright side is that the "9 out of 10" ratio is losing its majority very fast. So in the future their genetic makeup might get better and we might get along well if they change their "house pet" tune. Smiley
And you should know that I blame the aliens for this. We shouldn't blame women, even if they are the bag holders of this all situation! Cheesy Cheesy ... anyway... W00-W00-Ch00-Ch00...  Shocked  Shocked
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WTF did I just read  Cheesy Cheesy ?

Do you actually believe this ?

That is some far out fubar shit brother!

It's completely true.  Further extrapolation on the subject:

http://primalexistence.com/how-women-view-men/

It mostly pertains to good looking women, like 7-10's.  6's and below usually figure out early in life they have no leverage over anyone, so instead of attempting to practice prostitution on a direct level in all of their dealings whether it's trying to marry a high status rich man or stand on the side of the road as an actual prostitute, they take a different route.  They attempt to vote in socialism via legislation where the collective group of all men on the planet are bound by law to provide for them rather than attempting to extort the man directly and failing because they have no leverage.  This is why there's really no difference whatsoever in so called "traditional" women vs feminists.  Both are looking to make the man their work mule provider.  This is why women should never be allowed to vote either, it's 100% guaranteed communism.

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You are one messed up cookie Roach.

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To claim men and women are the same or equal is utterly hilarious when they're not remotely similar.  To know the mind of a woman is to know the mind of a prostitute. They're generally "takers" by nature, looking solely for an asymmetric relationship that favors themselves.  This is why men get along and women don't.  You can't have two prostitutes standing on the same street corner, it just doesn't work.  Two men can collaborate on building something together even in a zero sum game because they can work out a 50/50 split. Such a split is considered offensive to a woman.  Utilitarianism is a completely alien concept to them.  



WTF did I just read  Cheesy Cheesy ?

Do you actually believe this ?

That is some far out fubar shit brother!  Can't help but think you have been exposed to the wrong sorta women - or have been a doormat or been badly burnt by one/several/all of the women in your life?


He is actually right... 9 out of 10 women that I know... are exactly like he said! ... Women in their nature... because of the history context, of them being leverage for aliens, they where trade slaves or a commodity for us to bargain our existence on this planet with the invader alliens! Cheesy Cheesy
Their mentality is something similar to cats... because someone else needs to take care of them! Smiley
Because it is in their genetic matter to be a commodity, a good, a house pet! Cheesy Cheesy


hahahaha

Yeah right...

Let's put on a demonstration, just in case Theymos does not know, about how stupid-ass we can become in regards to our off-topicness and our attempts to provoke.. Wink

haha...point taken! but pardon me for pointing out that this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black...just a little bit

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good lord!...i had to scroll back to make sure i was in the correct thread...

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To claim men and women are the same or equal is utterly hilarious when they're not remotely similar.  To know the mind of a woman is to know the mind of a prostitute. They're generally "takers" by nature, looking solely for an asymmetric relationship that favors themselves.  This is why men get along and women don't.  You can't have two prostitutes standing on the same street corner, it just doesn't work.  Two men can collaborate on building something together even in a zero sum game because they can work out a 50/50 split. Such a split is considered offensive to a woman.  Utilitarianism is a completely alien concept to them.  



WTF did I just read  Cheesy Cheesy ?

Do you actually believe this ?

That is some far out fubar shit brother!  Can't help but think you have been exposed to the wrong sorta women - or have been a doormat or been badly burnt by one/several/all of the women in your life?


He is actually right... 9 out of 10 women that I know... are exactly like he said! ... Women in their nature... because of the history context, of them being leverage for aliens, they where trade slaves or a commodity for us to bargain our existence on this planet with the invader alliens! Cheesy Cheesy
Their mentality is something similar to cats... because someone else needs to take care of them! Smiley
Because it is in their genetic matter to be a commodity, a good, a house pet! Cheesy Cheesy


hahahaha

Yeah right...

Let's put on a demonstration, just in case Theymos does not know, about how stupid-ass we can become in regards to our off-topicness and our attempts to provoke.. Wink

I have to agree this time, wordy-one...

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To claim men and women are the same or equal is utterly hilarious when they're not remotely similar.  To know the mind of a woman is to know the mind of a prostitute. They're generally "takers" by nature, looking solely for an asymmetric relationship that favors themselves.  This is why men get along and women don't.  You can't have two prostitutes standing on the same street corner, it just doesn't work.  Two men can collaborate on building something together even in a zero sum game because they can work out a 50/50 split. Such a split is considered offensive to a woman.  Utilitarianism is a completely alien concept to them.  



WTF did I just read  Cheesy Cheesy ?

Do you actually believe this ?

That is some far out fubar shit brother!  Can't help but think you have been exposed to the wrong sorta women - or have been a doormat or been badly burnt by one/several/all of the women in your life?


He is actually right... 9 out of 10 women that I know... are exactly like he said! ... Women in their nature... because of the history context, of them being leverage for aliens, they where trade slaves or a commodity for us to bargain our existence on this planet with the invader alliens! Cheesy Cheesy
Their mentality is something similar to cats... because someone else needs to take care of them! Smiley
Because it is in their genetic matter to be a commodity, a good, a house pet! Cheesy Cheesy


hahahaha

Yeah right...

Let's put on a demonstration, just in case Theymos does not know, about how stupid-ass we can become in regards to our off-topicness and our attempts to provoke.. Wink

haha...point taken! but pardon me for pointing out that this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black...just a little bit

I just thought that maybe, just maybe, we could attempt to create a good impression (as if TPTB of Bitcointalk don't already know) and fake being on our best behavior, just for a short bit?

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good lord!...i had to scroll back to make sure i was in the correct thread...

ROFL!

I know that feeling! Same here!

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good lord!...i had to scroll back to make sure i was in the correct thread...

ROFL!

I know that feeling! Same here!

... no, that's just your goldfish level intellect playing tricks on you again.

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good lord!...i had to scroll back to make sure i was in the correct thread...

ROFL!

I know that feeling! Same here!

... no, that's just your goldfish level intellect playing tricks on you again.

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Since this seems to have become the thread where candidates come to campaign, I'd like to ask Mr. Lauda a question regarding his recent alleged foray into the heady world of extortion rackets. Having recently been removed from a position of authority, do you believe you are the best person to moderate what is arguably the forum's most prominent thread?
No. Lauda absolutely should not be in any kind of position of authority whatsoever.

In addition to his habit of extorting others, lauda likes to troll others who he feels is vulnerable, and Lauda regularly takes actions without regard to morals and ethics. Lauda has also refused to cover losses when funds were lost in an ICO he was escrowing due to his own incompetence and/or greed (the reason does not matter, the fact that he refused to cover losses is what is important), and the only reason why there were no losses was because one of his accomplices was able to extort several thousand dollars from someone they were claiming to be the thief.

 
Also, do you think I could be involved in your next undercover operation?
If you are believed to have significant amounts of money then you may get extorted by Lauda. 

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If you are believed to have significant amounts of money then you may get extorted by Lauda. 

I'm surprised a modern scammer like yourself doesn't keep abreast of recent default trust changes.

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Hey, this thread is starting to get interesting. Maybe this can just take over as the new WO? Grin

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Yes I agree.. With roach too.
I don't know what the WO topic is suppose to be about but if it has roach in it it can't be all bad LOL

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good lord!...i had to scroll back to make sure i was in the correct thread...

ROFL!

I know that feeling! Same here!

... no, that's just your goldfish level intellect playing tricks on you again.

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If you are believed to have significant amounts of money then you may get extorted by Lauda.  

I'm surprised a modern scammer like yourself doesn't keep abreast of recent default trust changes.
That is somewhat off topic here, however it looks like that OgNasty has excluded Lauda from his trust list, overriding Blazed's inclusion of Lauda on his trust list with the help of Hastfat also excluding Lauda. Ideally Blazed will wake up and outright remove Lauda from his trust list and/or otherwise clean up his trust list.

I think the above is another piece of evidence that Lauda should not be in any kind of position of power as multiple long standing extremely reputable and trustworthy members of the community have decided to exclude the opinions (via trust ratings) of Lauda.

edit: Thanks for the info about why Lauda should not be in a position of power Vod, you are so helpful Wink

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What is this turning into, "scammers rejoice"? Roll Eyes Meanwhile r0ach is still spamming nonsense, in this very thread.

..as multiple long standing extremely reputable and trustworthy members of the community..
Trustworthy, HostFat and OgNasty? I think you didn't take your pills today. Looks like his escrow business is losing ground. Kiss

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This is thread soon will become the new Wall Observer thread and there will be no need to change ownership or anything.
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Hey, this thread is starting to get interesting. Maybe this can just take over as the new WO? Grin
This is thread soon will become the new Wall Observer thread and there will be no need to change ownership or anything.

Hmm paraphrase much?
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What is this turning into, "scammers rejoice"? Roll Eyes Meanwhile r0ach is still spamming nonsense, in this very thread.

..as multiple long standing extremely reputable and trustworthy members of the community..
Trustworthy, HostFat and OgNasty? I think you didn't take your pills today. Looks like his escrow business is losing ground. Kiss

Oh and don't vote Lauda.. She's is illuminati lizard people and worse... a chick.  Cheesy
Watch out. Occasionally, I do bite and when I do, I bite hard. Cheesy

Most sensible people have r0ach on ignore. Casual anti-semitism isn't edgy, it's disturbed.

Mrs. Lauda, are you prepared to elaborate on your involvement in extorting a user of the forum?

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Thanks for your excellent addition to the discussion - it makes soo much sense.
And great, you earned a bob or two from your sig!
Which is exactly the type of posts that should be deleted. There is a lot of garbage in the whole section, let alone WO.

Most sensible people have r0ach on ignore. Casual anti-semitism isn't edgy, it's disturbed.
Relevance? Most newbies and non-members who read that thread do not, thus his negative impact is persistent.

Mrs. Lauda, are you prepared to elaborate on your involvement in extorting a user of the forum?
"Mrs.", sexist again? There was no extortion. Chill out. Wink

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Personally, I find Lauda's insistence on gender neutrality refreshing. Sexual ambiguity is very today.

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If you are believed to have significant amounts of money then you may get extorted by Lauda.  

I'm surprised a modern scammer like yourself doesn't keep abreast of recent default trust changes.
That is somewhat off topic here, however it looks like that OgNasty has excluded Lauda from his trust list, overriding Blazed's inclusion of Lauda on his trust list with the help of Hastfat also excluding Lauda. Ideally Blazed will wake up and outright remove Lauda from his trust list and/or otherwise clean up his trust list.

I think the above is another piece of evidence that Lauda should not be in any kind of position of power as multiple long standing extremely reputable and trustworthy members of the community have decided to exclude the opinions (via trust ratings) of Lauda.

edit: Thanks for the info about why Lauda should not be in a position of power Vod, you are so helpful Wink

How can you tell that OGnasty as excluded Lauda?

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Every time she quotes me I feel a little bit dirty.
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We ought to have Bruce "Bruce Fenton" Fenton in the running. That is a natural leader.

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Both roach's opinions and Lauda's extortion history are a matter of opinion.
She can no more accuse roach of posting nonsense than she can cast away the judgment of her past actions.
BOTH are a matter of opinion.
Of course a women would be offended by his sexuality commentary..
But it is in fact believable or more importantly it is to HIM.
HE HIMSELF BELIEVES WHAT HE POSTED.
So who is Lauda to declare roach's opinions nonsense?
Myself and others agree with him by the way.. At least in a way.

She doesn't want to be viewed as an extortionist but it is believable enough to some people who heard about the drama.

And I do tend to side with her on that too.
I am guessing she (or should I say it?) believed what she or it was doing was well intended regardless of the technical way she went about it.

Point being is I don't believe in calling a person a troll because you do not agree with their views.
She didn't use that word but others have and she implied it heavily.

Is freedom from negative judgment for you and when you need / want it?
..or for all?

Also the discussion taking place here should help show who is a more appropriate moderator of sorts.
A mod needs a balanced and unbiased fair view.
Is that what we see here with specific people?

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Moderation in moderation ?

This is tense Smiley

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The next day is CRITICAL for the good of BTC.  Grin

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I want to know who supports Trump before I cast my vote!

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edit: Thanks for the info about why Lauda should not be in a position of power Vod, you are so helpful Wink

All I did was point something out - what you scammers do with the info is your business. 

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edit: Thanks for the info about why Lauda should not be in a position of power Vod, you are so helpful Wink

All I did was point something out - what you scammers do with the info is your business. 

Vod. How's boat ownership treating you?

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I like Trump, but I'm not American.

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Personally, I find Lauda's insistence on gender neutrality refreshing. Sexual ambiguity is very today.

... but is it really ambiguous when she insists on being on top?

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Personally, I find Lauda's insistence on gender neutrality refreshing. Sexual ambiguity is very today.

... but is it really ambiguous when she insists on being on top?

I like having the woman on top sometimes.
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Why is this turning into a discussion about my sex/gender and whatnot again? Angry

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July 07, 2017, 03:22:10 PM
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I want to know who supports Trump before I cast my vote!

Although I'm not running for WO presidency (POTWOT) I support Trump.

Problem?


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Personally, I find Lauda's insistence on gender neutrality refreshing. Sexual ambiguity is very today.

... but is it really ambiguous when she insists on being on top?

Do you stay on top or under the cockroach??

Just curiosity, none of my business...

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Why is this turning into a discussion about my sex/gender and whatnot again? Angry

Because you started it when you insisted that all gender specific pronouns attributed to you were sexist, presumably because you enjoy the attention?


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Why is this turning into a discussion about my sex/gender and whatnot again? Angry

Because you started it when you insisted that all gender specific pronouns attributed to you were sexist, presumably because you enjoy the attention?




hahahaha Lauda.. .If you are potentially going to resume to power, you have to take these nutjobs in stride and humor, no?

Any potential personal detail can be a cause for attack - these are the interwebs...

surely sometimes posters go a bit too far, but frequently, a bit of outrageousness is within the realm of expectations - and sure we can choose to skim, ignore or engage - or some variation that includes finding some humor in the childish and provocation attempts from posters who might even be adults who are not living in their mom's basement..  Wink

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That signature campaign pay by the word? Or what?  Roll Eyes

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Although I loathe Trump and his supporters I do think a supporter of his would be a more appropriate choice here..
In other words I vote loud mouth aggressive troll.
Assuming that would provide a less restrictive uptight non-Hillary supporter environment.

I still don't know what the WO topic is either.
At no point in this topic did someone bothering explaining what it is..
..yet asked us to vote on it LOL

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You oughta know by now..
Any women in a male dominated scene will get extra attention.
I take it at some point you failed to hide it.
And yeah I have posted telling these guys lots too hahhaha
I know of others that are known and female too.
I won't out them though.. At least now.

I just wanted to point out there may be more females coming..
I think I almost turned my self with sissy hypno porn Sad
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That signature campaign pay by the word? Or what?  Roll Eyes

Depends upon the sig campaign.

Many of them pay by the post, up to a certain number of posts per pay period.

They usually require a certain amount of substance within the post in order for the post to NOT be considered as spam.

So far, in my nearly two years of participation in sig campaigns, I have not had any issue or even borderline issue in terms of reaching quantity of posts or substantive contributions within my posts.  In that regard, my posts are largely similar to what they had been prior to my joining any signature campaign, and you? 

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The next 12 hours are critical and this is like watching paint dry.

Ok, I have a question... WHO are those that have voted for Lauda? WHY? Do YOU not believe in FREE SPEECH?

I have nothing against Lauda, and his proposal for moderation is perfectly legit but... he/she/it/them has already stated that WO was full of garbage (and idiots) and considers borderline offtopic OPINIONS (such as of r0ach's) as "spam". I won't even mention his * opinion about casual altcoins talk or how * literally said that the best way to help would be entirely deleting the thread.

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Bejasus ... have I realised how much like hurding cats this could be?


Duhhh yeah because I have been here for over half  a decade , but whatever that's not the point ...

Would I sound totally insane if I said I feel like everyone has taken this far too seriously , whilst also not seriously
enough...

But whatever- - vote IS a vote - no matter what the TPTB have tried to manoeuvre recently ...


I am obviously not going to win this one Sad and so be it...


I just hope it works out for the best..  all the best to the new owner and I appreciate
the kind words from several of you guys.

At the end of the day as important as this thread IS, which it IS, and as much as it is ingrained in oldtimers and many bitcointalk originals - it's the furthering of understanding of cryptocurrency , of the new paradigm , of the potential , of the moon, of the fucking awesome endeavours of those rare diamonds of human beings- that made this all possible that brought me here.

Personsally I would have preferred this thread to go to an actual full on participant (no offence - infofront- and TBH you seem like a sound guy and level guy that will do a good job)  and Democracy is Democracy.

So I hope this thread can find its heart again- - as dark as it may be at times ... and I hope that it can prevail and ultimatly in the same energy as Adam and Theymos both have given to the space - it can continue to help to make Bitcoin and cryptocurrency thrive.

I must admit I tired of the - excessive shit first and then the relentless hostility on the thread at times - and I genuinely admire many of the posters, and miss some of the more insightful posters of yesteryear - infact I would
like to see some come back!

Either way - I think I may stick some electrodes into monkey- because I miss monkey

 Also monkey was pretty damn smart in his youth - damn near psyhcic in his
longer term calls.

I actually managed to beat my monkey.


(I always enjoyed beating my monkey.
and anyway monkey only ever saw what we showed it)

Anyway...... all the best - I hope you guys continue and WO continues to be the awesome resource it is..

Personally - I know few "bitcoiners" worth their salt that do not have this thread as part of their
Bitcoin diet - it IS indeed one of barometers of sentiment in the market and always been a source of many many newses, dooooooms and Antifudz (nothing to do with the soros organisation antifa)  oh yeah and of course we come to this thread for the lulz.

(But monkey only ever did what monkey saw)

Ps As a non moderator/thread owner/ candidate out of running  -with no skin in the game , and little concern for the status quo or fashion or what anyone thinks -  I can, and happily will state that Roach & co's comments as valid and legitimate and within their rights to hold such views as they are/think they are - it still does not make those views anything more than the misguided, stunted views of little little men - who have themselves been made bitches- by the very women they perceive as whores/prostitutes/bitches.

Like I said earlier - you messed up cookies.

Anyway - looking forward to the new W/O thread





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Bejasus ... have I realised how much like hurding cats this could be?


Duhhh yeah because I have been here for over half  a decade , but whatever that's not the point ...

Would I sound totally insane if I said I feel like everyone has taken this far too seriously , whilst also not seriously
enough...

But whatever- - vote IS a vote - no matter what the TPTB have tried to manoeuvre recently ...


I am obviously not going to win this one Sad and so be it...


I just hope it works out for the best..  all the best to the new owner and I appreciate
the kind words from several of you guys.

At the end of the day as important as this thread IS, which it IS, and as much as it is ingrained in oldtimers and many bitcointalk originals - it's the furthering of understanding of cryptocurrency , of the new paradigm , of the potential , of the moon, of the fucking awesome endeavours of those rare diamonds of human beings- that made this all possible that brought me here.

Personsally I would have preferred this thread to go to an actual full on participant (no offence - infofront- and TBH you seem like a sound guy and level guy that will do a good job)  and Democracy is Democracy.

So I hope this thread can find its heart again- - as dark as it maybe at times ... and I hope that it can prevail and ultimatly in the same energy as Adam and Theymos both have given to the space - it can continue to help to make Bitcoin and cryptocurrency thrive.

I must admit I tired of the - excessive shit first and then the i relentless hostility on the thread at times - and I genuinely admire many of the posters, and miss some of the more insightful posters of yesteryear - infact I would
like to see some come back!

Either way - I think I may stick some electrodes into monkey- because I miss monkey

 Also monkey was pretty damn smart in his youth - damn near psyhcic in his
longer term calls.

I actually managed to beat my monkey.


I always enjoyed beating my monkey.
and monkey only ever saw what we showed it)

Anyway......

(But monkey only ever did what monkey saw-






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why hello there left field, nice of you to drop by and bring us something.

wow, this got weird FAST.
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The next 12 hours are critical and this is like watching paint dry.

Ok, I have a question... WHO are those that have voted for Lauda? WHY? Do YOU not believe in FREE SPEECH?

I have nothing against Lauda, and his proposal for moderation is perfectly legit but... he/she/it/them has already stated that WO was full of garbage (and idiots) and considers borderline offtopic OPINIONS (such as of r0ach's) as "spam". I won't even mention his * opinion about casual altcoins talk or how * literally said that the best way to help would be entirely deleting the thread.

Is this really what YOU want?

Is it really what you want for your SONS?

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  I voted for Lauda.

 It has everything to do with free speech and also everything to do with order.  Right now I can't exercise any form of speech in the WO thread because it is locked.  The newly elected moderator is the first step to getting the thread unlocked.  Also, I like a modicum of order; it makes the topic easier to follow.  I like that when I get a notification of activity in a thread I follow that it will contain something topical and worthy of my time rather than a Nazi woman wearing Bitcoin symbol arm band and sporting flashing green lights for breasts.  It's not funny, not entertaining, not offensive to me personally but mainly it's not topical.  Then other people want to weigh in on that off-topic post with their own critiques, criticisms, shaming and various other expressions of "free speech" and the thread goes to shit.

  Feel free to exercise your free speech by creating a new thread in the society section about whatever the hell you want and then let people decide whether they care to waste their time in there.  Perhaps you don't realize the reason the thread was locked in the first place.  It's those "free speech" off topic posts that created the censorship - we're still free to make our posts just not in the WO thread because it was "out of control".  It became a headache for the administrator of this board; the easiest thing for him to do would be to leave it locked.  This should lead any sane individual to realize that the WO thread WAS full of garbage AND idiots.

 If you want free speech, put on placard and dance around in the streets - or - if you want free speech in here, open a new thread with your off-topic rants.  When I say "you" I'm talking to all those idiots who caused the complaints that led to the WO thread being locked in the first place.  This is not the end of the problem; it's a second chance and from what I see in this thread, we may be destined to repeat the same mistake.  Free speech doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want and there are no consequences - it only means the government can't penalize you for saying it.

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I was on the motorway most of today

Back in the UK today - and now I am in a little beautiful fishing village in Cornwall

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Infofront tomorrow Tongue

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Infofront tomorrow Tongue



Looks like he already won a 100m $ + lottery? He will be paid by moderating that wall observer thread? Like other staff here in the forum?

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Meh- see y'all at $3900


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  I voted for Lauda.

That was obvious.


 It has everything to do with free speech and also everything to do with order.  Right now I can't exercise any form of speech in the WO thread because it is locked.  The newly elected moderator is the first step to getting the thread unlocked.  Also, I like a modicum of order; it makes the topic easier to follow.  

It was locked because it did not have a moderator at all.


I like that when I get a notification of activity in a thread I follow that it will contain something topical and worthy of my time rather than a Nazi woman wearing Bitcoin symbol arm band and sporting flashing green lights for breasts.  It's not funny, not entertaining, not offensive to me personally but mainly it's not topical.  Then other people want to weigh in on that off-topic post with their own critiques, criticisms, shaming and various other expressions of "free speech" and the thread goes to shit.

  Feel free to exercise your free speech by creating a new thread in the society section about whatever the hell you want and then let people decide whether they care to waste their time in there.  Perhaps you don't realize the reason the thread was locked in the first place.  It's those "free speech" off topic posts that created the censorship - we're still free to make our posts just not in the WO thread because it was "out of control".  It became a headache for the administrator of this board; the easiest thing for him to do would be to leave it locked.  This should lead any sane individual to realize that the WO thread WAS full of garbage AND idiots.

 If you want free speech, put on placard and dance around in the streets - or - if you want free speech in here, open a new thread with your off-topic rants.  When I say "you" I'm talking to all those idiots who caused the complaints that led to the WO thread being locked in the first place.  This is not the end of the problem; it's a second chance and from what I see in this thread, we may be destined to repeat the same mistake.  Free speech doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want and there are no consequences - it only means the government can't penalize you for saying it.


So you want free speech, but you want it controlled? You believe in 'order'.  OK, I see.

Maybe it was 'full of garbage and idiots', maybe that is an exaggeration.  Maybe it was tiresome at times, maybe that disorder was part of its allure. 

However, candidates displaying a level of utter contempt for the WO by saying it was 'full of garbage AND idiots' are unlikely to find it is the best way to get people to vote for them to be its moderator.

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  I voted for Lauda.

That was obvious.


 It has everything to do with free speech and also everything to do with order.  Right now I can't exercise any form of speech in the WO thread because it is locked.  The newly elected moderator is the first step to getting the thread unlocked.  Also, I like a modicum of order; it makes the topic easier to follow.  

It was locked because it did not have a moderator at all.


I like that when I get a notification of activity in a thread I follow that it will contain something topical and worthy of my time rather than a Nazi woman wearing Bitcoin symbol arm band and sporting flashing green lights for breasts.  It's not funny, not entertaining, not offensive to me personally but mainly it's not topical.  Then other people want to weigh in on that off-topic post with their own critiques, criticisms, shaming and various other expressions of "free speech" and the thread goes to shit.

  Feel free to exercise your free speech by creating a new thread in the society section about whatever the hell you want and then let people decide whether they care to waste their time in there.  Perhaps you don't realize the reason the thread was locked in the first place.  It's those "free speech" off topic posts that created the censorship - we're still free to make our posts just not in the WO thread because it was "out of control".  It became a headache for the administrator of this board; the easiest thing for him to do would be to leave it locked.  This should lead any sane individual to realize that the WO thread WAS full of garbage AND idiots.

 If you want free speech, put on placard and dance around in the streets - or - if you want free speech in here, open a new thread with your off-topic rants.  When I say "you" I'm talking to all those idiots who caused the complaints that led to the WO thread being locked in the first place.  This is not the end of the problem; it's a second chance and from what I see in this thread, we may be destined to repeat the same mistake.  Free speech doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want and there are no consequences - it only means the government can't penalize you for saying it.


So you want free speech, but you want it controlled? You believe in 'order'.  OK, I see.

Maybe it was 'full of garbage and idiots', maybe that is an exaggeration.  Maybe it was tiresome at times, maybe that disorder was part of its allure. 

However, candidates displaying a level of utter contempt for the WO by saying it was 'full of garbage AND idiots' are unlikely to find it is the best way to get people to vote for them to be its moderator.

I only saw xhomerx10's post because you quoted him, I have him on ignore (possibly due to me ignoring pretty much anyone with a paid sig). The reason I'm pointing that out is because I'm compelled to respond to his post with the following: L2Ignore!

The reason the WO thread is interesting is oftentimes because of the "garbage and idiots". The beautiful thing is, you can ignore the "garbage and idiots" that you don't like. There are quite a few users I've ignored specifically because of their posting in the WO thread, but some users who would most likely be moderated more often than not... *ahem r0ach*... are quite entertaining to me.

There is a reason the un-moderated WO fork has won. Heavy handed moderation in the WO thread will certainly kill it. Self-moderation via the ignore button is the correct approach.

I'm all for the "on-topic" rule everywhere in the forum, except the WO thread. Moderation in the WO thread should only be used for the really nasty stuff (threats or vulgar material, etc...).

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"Mrs.", sexist again?

Can you please stop being so unpatriotic?



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A big thank you to theymos. You must be a very kindly and very very patient fellow.
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Because you started it when you insisted that all gender specific pronouns attributed to you were sexist, presumably because you enjoy the attention?
Are you trying to suggest that I am needy? Angry

hahahaha Lauda.. .If you are potentially going to resume to power, you have to take these nutjobs in stride and humor, no?
I have gotten used to it over the years. Tongue

However, candidates displaying a level of utter contempt for the WO by saying it was 'full of garbage AND idiots' are unlikely to find it is the best way to get people to vote for them to be its moderator.
You are highly confused. The entity that wins this (infofront is the likely winner as of now) has zero benefit from it. He/she/it is doing everyone else a huge favor with their contribution. Therefore, there is no reason to "campaign" for this in any way.

The reason the WO thread is interesting is oftentimes because of the "garbage and idiots". The beautiful thing is, you can ignore the "garbage and idiots" that you don't like. There are quite a few users I've ignored specifically because of their posting in the WO thread, but some users who would most likely be moderated more often than not... *ahem r0ach*... are quite entertaining to me.
If this were to be applied in WO thread, it would have to be applied in the rest of the forum. I disagree with your suggestion.

Can you please stop being so unpatriotic?
Did you vote for Trump?

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The reason the WO thread is interesting is oftentimes because of the "garbage and idiots". The beautiful thing is, you can ignore the "garbage and idiots" that you don't like. There are quite a few users I've ignored specifically because of their posting in the WO thread, but some users who would most likely be moderated more often than not... *ahem r0ach*... are quite entertaining to me.
If this were to be applied in WO thread, it would have to be applied in the rest of the forum. I disagree with your suggestion.


Dude this is so typical of you wretched sig-spammers.

You waltz into a thread pretending to know things and voicing opinions on stuff.

But you have proved here and many times before that you are not reading the threads before ejaculating on this or that matter:


Since option 1 is in the lead, I already wrote a draft of a policy change for that one, possibly addressing your concerns:

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The thread is exempt from the following rules from the perspective of bitcointalk.org mods:

- Off-topicness (in relation to either Speculation or the topic itself).
- Double-posting etc., within reason.

(The thread owner can and should enforce those rules to some degree, however.)

A warning will show up about the above rule exemptions when you try to report a post in the thread.

Signatures won't show up in the thread anymore.

I can only suggest you take care to spend much more time reading the material and much less time trying to pick up pennies.
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Dude this is so typical of you wretched sig-spammers.
Who, Holliday, me?

You waltz into a thread pretending to know things and voicing opinions on stuff.
Waltz in? I've been part of this thread since its inception. I have responded to someone who was replying to my statement. I think that you are confused.

But you have proved here and many times before that you are not reading the threads before ejaculating on this or that matter:
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You are complaining that I may have missed/forgotten a post that is not even part of this thread Huh Not that the quote is actually really relevant to what I had stated.

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July 08, 2017, 08:25:51 AM
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This thread depends on that thread. See? See!
If this were to be applied in WO thread, it would have to be applied in the rest of the forum. I disagree with your suggestion.
... threads ...
The thread is exempt from the following rules from the perspective of bitcointalk.org mods:
Signatures won't show up in the thread anymore.
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I can only suggest you take care to spend much more time reading the material and much less time trying to pick up pennies.
Exempt from a few rules != exempt from everything. Considering that the quote isn't even relevant, I can only suggest the same. Roll Eyes

Not that the quote is actually really relevant to what I had stated.

There's nothing wrong with being wrong sometimes.
You should try it considering that you are wrong. Smiley

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I can only suggest you take care to spend much more time reading the material and much less time trying to pick up pennies.
Exempt from a few rules != exempt from everything. Considering that the quote isn't even relevant, I can only suggest the same. Roll Eyes

Not that the quote is actually really relevant to what I had stated.
Aha the 'same to you with knobs on' argument.
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Admitting it to yourself can be quite helpful. Try it.
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A gentle touch is needed a hands off approach that is Laisse-Fairre as much as can be reasonable with that in mind my vote was made, lets see how the community decides this one. Good selection but different approaches for different tasks, that's the way it is done.

Can we post train pictures and stuff when our candidates go in the lead?

In a few days we will have WO again, maybe it is good to start recovering old habits in the meantime (or to do it for the last time in case Lauda wins the poll)
Lol We need a Choo Choo Train signature again he-he ah good old days lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaqZoph265U

(Lol reads through goes into women logic ah just like the WSO ^^ worth a taste for Theymos Tongue)


Sure we have a few days left, yet I would have thought that with the passage of time, more members would have attempted to log into the WO thread and then gravitated towards these voting threads... and just that more votes would have come through in a shorter period of time

I guess my tentative theory is that WO participants are much more fleeting than I had considered and they seem to be more gravitating towards such WO thread when we have extremes in BTC price movements - which have not been happening in the last couple of weeks.  Prices have been relatively flat in the $2350 to $2700 price range in the last couple weeks, since the locking of the WO thread....

Time for a break out in terms of prices and in terms of recharging the allegedly "fleeting" WO posse?


Over analyzed calm down the storm doth approaches and also not everyone reads meta and gets redirected here it is the default hidden board where all the olden drama is hidden, well that and reputation pretty much ^^.

Although I loathe Trump and his supporters I do think a supporter of his would be a more appropriate choice here..

I just wanted to point out there may be more females coming..
I think I almost turned my self with sissy hypno porn Sad
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1997638.msg19908380#msg19908380
It starts with sipping a glass with dinner then next thing ya know you're in an alley draining pipe..

Inserts feminism it's HC (LD) vs everyone else since their men to the best of presumed internet logic.
Got to get the women bitcointalkers out to vote (looks around um... claps hands ^^)
Gotta be careful about that hypno porn though it can get anyone's right hands.
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July 08, 2017, 01:48:58 PM
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Here's to a new era in the thread's history. Let's see what this one brings, from Ediacaran oddity to Cambrian expressiveness.

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  I voted for Lauda.

That was obvious.

  Well excuse me for being Captain Obvious but somebody asked and it was a good segue into my rant.

It was locked because it did not have a moderator at all.
The Wall Observer thread is currently locked because it attracts way more off-topic posts than we want to deal with. Continuing the status quo is therefore not really an option. The thread can continue if the situation is changed in such a way that we don't have to constantly clean up its trash, however.

I will be looking at who voted what, and I might publish it here. Mostly I'm interested in hearing from participants in the Wall Observer thread.

Vote for every option that you consider acceptable.

 Yeah.  Sure.  The admin is helpless when a self-moderated thread's moderator goes AWOL.


I like that when I get a notification of activity in a thread I follow that it will contain something topical and worthy of my time rather than a Nazi woman wearing Bitcoin symbol arm band and sporting flashing green lights for breasts.  It's not funny, not entertaining, not offensive to me personally but mainly it's not topical.  Then other people want to weigh in on that off-topic post with their own critiques, criticisms, shaming and various other expressions of "free speech" and the thread goes to shit.

  Feel free to exercise your free speech by creating a new thread in the society section about whatever the hell you want and then let people decide whether they care to waste their time in there.  Perhaps you don't realize the reason the thread was locked in the first place.  It's those "free speech" off topic posts that created the censorship - we're still free to make our posts just not in the WO thread because it was "out of control".  It became a headache for the administrator of this board; the easiest thing for him to do would be to leave it locked.  This should lead any sane individual to realize that the WO thread WAS full of garbage AND idiots.

 If you want free speech, put on placard and dance around in the streets - or - if you want free speech in here, open a new thread with your off-topic rants.  When I say "you" I'm talking to all those idiots who caused the complaints that led to the WO thread being locked in the first place.  This is not the end of the problem; it's a second chance and from what I see in this thread, we may be destined to repeat the same mistake.  Free speech doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want and there are no consequences - it only means the government can't penalize you for saying it.



So you want free speech, but you want it controlled? You believe in 'order'.  OK, I see.

Maybe it was 'full of garbage and idiots', maybe that is an exaggeration.  Maybe it was tiresome at times, maybe that disorder was part of its allure. 

However, candidates displaying a level of utter contempt for the WO by saying it was 'full of garbage AND idiots' are unlikely to find it is the best way to get people to vote for them to be its moderator.

 No, you don't see.

It was 'full of garbage and idiots', it was 'tiresome at times' and 'disorderly' but all of those are simply opinions that vary member to member.  The thread was locked because these opinions made it to the eyes of the admin one time too often.  A hands off approach by a new moderator will land us in the same boat.

 Anyway, congratulations to the winner and good luck in your new role!

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[blah blah something blah]

...I only saw xhomerx10's post because you quoted him, I have him on ignore (possibly due to me ignoring pretty much anyone with a paid sig). The reason I'm pointing that out is because I'm compelled to respond to his post with the following: L2Ignore!...
[blah blah blah]


 For the record:

I have a lot of respect for sidehack and his contributions to the Bitcoin mining community.  Mine is not a paid sig.



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July 08, 2017, 03:11:18 PM
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It was 'full of garbage and idiots', it was 'tiresome at times' and 'disorderly' but all of those are simply opinions that vary member to member.  The thread was locked because these opinions made it to the eyes of the admin one time too often.  A hands off approach by a new moderator will land us in the same boat.

The forum was locked because too many off-topic posts were being reported, quite possibly to cause disruption. This was possible because the open-topic nature of the thread was never properly addressed with respect to the on-topic rule.

As for garbage and idiocy, those have never been criteria for deletion on this forum. One can live the life of Stig of the Dump here, so long as it is topical. So what is really being argued there is to merely shift trash from one forum receptacle to another.
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July 08, 2017, 03:20:10 PM
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My congratulations to infofront for getting the role of moderator of the Wall Observer Smiley ! I know that with him he is into good hands !
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July 08, 2017, 04:18:35 PM
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My congratulations to infofront for getting the role of moderator of the Wall Observer Smiley !
Likewise. Congratulations infofront and good luck. You will need it. Cheesy

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July 08, 2017, 04:35:37 PM
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infofront wins. The WO thread is transferred to him and is now unlocked. May you forever keep it out of my hair!

Based on who voted what, I determined that second-place actually goes to empowering. The votes:

infofront
marcus_of_augustus
jbreher
EAL
arklan
yefi
Wendigo
freedomno1
JayJuanGee
r0ach
2dogs
Torque
kurious
xyzzy099
bitebits
pooya87
bones261
White sugar
sirazimuth
ShroomsKit_Disgrace
Dotto
spiderbrain
steelboy
harrymmmm
cafucafucafu
JanpriX
savetherainforest
fluidjax
Ziploc
Babylon
BlackFlag
RayX12
Chevas Regal
FractalUniverse
bitserve
DrMsEr
machasm
deepcolderwallet
Genesis1337
Bitcoinaire
Gab0
(dogie)
(Quickseller)
(chaser15)
(DarkStar_)
(BlockEye)
(clickerz)
(Snub)
(Jemzx00)
(Wowcoin)
(eaLiTy)
(iwantapony)
(TryNinja)
(SportbetMaster)
(webtricks)
(btc2nxt)
(jems)
(ImGenius)
(sossygirl)

empowering
marcus_of_augustus
EAL
arklan
yefi
kurious
xyzzy099
infofront
crazyjack
BlindMayorBitcorn
silverfuture
bones261
Dotto
spiderbrain
soullyG
fluidjax
Last of the V8s
FractalUniverse
cgt99
bitserve
Scofield
(Quickseller)
(DarkStar_)
(Jemzx00)

Lauda
Soros Shorts
JimboToronto
qwk
xhomerx10
Meuh6879
Denker
pooya87
leowonderful
soullyG
JanpriX
klaaas
Ted E. Bare
coolcoinz
FractalUniverse
JessicaG
kludzins
Scofield
trackermut
(KWH)
(dogie)
(minifrij)
(1Referee)
(ranochigo)
(irfan_pak10)
(xandry)
(whywefight)
(SFR10)
(pinoycash)
(free-bit.co.in)
(xLays)
(lighpulsar07)
(bennl)
(BeetcoinScummer)
(EpicFail)
(Moon_Man)

lightfoot
OgNasty
jbreher
EAL
arklan
yefi
lightfoot
kurious
xyzzy099
infofront
silverfuture
bones261
empowering
Muhammed Zakir
soullyG
bitserve
x2666
(ranochigo)
(Quickseller)
(clickerz)
(Jemzx00)

arklan
EAL
arklan
yefi
kurious
infofront
silverfuture
bones261
bitserve
(izanagi narukami)
(Quickseller)
(Zeroxal)
(clickerz)
(senyorito123)
(killyou72)
(Jemzx00)
(Traxo)

Erkallys
EAL
yefi
kurious
infofront
bones261
V1saya
bitserve
(Quickseller)
(Erkallys)
(Zeroxal)
(clickerz)
(Jemzx00)
(Russlenat)
(Odd Thomas)
(PX-Z)