LAUDA IS OFF DT! EVERYONE CELEBRATE!

[FXOpen]

Wooo!

Bitcointalk.org, today is a very happy day! Corruption has been defeated yet again. Lauda is off default trust. Whoever did this needs a raise, or they can PM me their bitcoin address, you'll get a nice gift.

Everyone celebrate!

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[Lauda]

All aboard the scammers party!

[The Sceptical Chymist]

How exactly did this come about?  I don't use default trust so I cant see who did what.  And yeah, if this is true then I'm sure the scammers and people like kiklo and quickseller are going to be celebrating.   It's pretty sad if you ask me.

[Lauda]

How exactly did this come about?  I don't use default trust so I cant see who did what.

I was excluded by HostFat months ago due to my vocal disapproval of Bitcoin Unlimited which he strongly supports (talk about trust abuse?). Sometime yesterday OgNasty excluded Lutpin, Zepher and myself. I probably wouldn't have noticed it this quickly either, but people kept spamming me about it.

And yeah, if this is true then I'm sure the scammers and people like kiklo and quickseller are going to be celebrating.   It's pretty sad if you ask me.

They are. Quite the number of ratings have not been enforced by anyone else, and the number of people willing to tag scammers is decreasing. I guess that is the ultimate goal here? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[The Sceptical Chymist]

How exactly did this come about?  I don't use default trust so I cant see who did what. 

I was excluded by HostFat months ago due to my vocal disapproval of Bitcoin Unlimited which he strongly supports (talk about trust abuse?). Sometime yesterday OgNasty excluded Lutpin, Zepher and myself. I probably wouldn't have noticed it this quickly either, but people kept spamming me about it.

And yeah, if this is true then I'm sure the scammers and people like kiklo and quickseller are going to be celebrating.   It's pretty sad if you ask me.

They are. Quite the number of ratings have not been enforced by anyone else, and the number of people willing to tag scammers is decreasing. I guess that is the ultimate goal here?

If I might inquire,  what's the deal with ognasty excluding lutpin and zepher and you?  Is lutpin still on DT?  Is this all because of a philosophical disagreement about bitcoin? 

Keep tagging these shitbags anyway.   I suspect you'll get back on dt one way or another.

[Lauda]

If I might inquire,  what's the deal with ognasty excluding lutpin and zepher and you? 

I have absolutely no idea and can't find a rational reason to exclude this combination (especially not all at once).

Is lutpin still on DT? 

Yes. Lutpin and zepher don't have other exclusions AFAIK.

Is this all because of a philosophical disagreement about bitcoin? 

No. That's just between HostFat and me.

Keep tagging these shitbags anyway.   I suspect you'll get back on dt one way or another.

Of course I shall. These idiots think that I can be stopped like this. I guess they are in for a nice surprise.

[Iranus]

If I might inquire,  what's the deal with ognasty excluding lutpin and zepher and you? 

I have absolutely no idea and can't find a rational reason to exclude this combination (especially not all at once).

Well, you are running competing escrow services.  That could be part of it.  It would be a more subtle way of undermining those services than, say, leaving negative trust.  Zepher in particular would justify that thought, since they have less close associations with you and they're part of another escrow service.

That said, it is kind of a conspiracy theory and I don't have evidence to back up the statement.  It's just a thought.

I guess kiklo will be having a field day.  He probably thinks that he did this with the incessant spamming.

[Lauda]

Well, you are running competing escrow services.  That could be part of it.  It would be a more subtle way of undermining those services than, say, leaving negative trust.  Zepher in particular would justify that thought, since they have less close associations with you and they're part of another escrow service.

Considering the revenue that CET has had so far, that crossed my mind. However, neither Lutpin nor Zepher are part of CET (but are offering escrow services themselves; the latter is temporarily not around though).

That said, it is kind of a conspiracy theory and I don't have evidence to back up the statement.  It's just a thought.

Unless explicitly stated that X is the reason, that kind of thing can't be proven anyways.

I guess kiklo will be having a field day.  He probably thinks that he did this with the incessant spamming.

I guess I won't be receiving a lawsuit after all?

[Vod]

I guess kiklo will be having a field day.  He probably thinks that he did this with the incessant spamming.

 

There is no doubt about that.

Pretty immature for an 84 year old, eh?

[Quickseller]

I think the exclusion has to do with the ratings that lauda sends and his ethics/morals, or lack thereof.

The others are fairly clearly farming trust

[minifrij]

I think the exclusion has to do with the ratings that lauda sends and his ethics/morals, or lack thereof.

So, now that Lauda has been removed from most of their positions of power I have to ask, who's next on the hit list? Are you going to return to some old classics like tspacepilot or dooglus (still eagerly awaiting the part 2 for him)?

[MargonCreatives]

Well basically if a guy can give negative trust even when I repaid my loan with full interest as agreed by lender and borrower but laudA had his own problems, I really am happy that this happened.

Seriously when a lender and borrower are dealing together who are you to jump in between and ask for more interest when clearly lender said he didnt needed more, then you for some reason convinced him and now he is asking more.

Seriously dude, this is starting, your sins wont give you a place in heaven.

[FXOpen]

I think the exclusion has to do with the ratings that lauda sends and his ethics/morals, or lack thereof.

The others are fairly clearly farming trust

Yeah, Lauda is a complete asshole.

Today is the best day of my life! He's so butthurt  thank you so much OgNasty, you saved the forum

[whywefight]

I think the exclusion has to do with the ratings that lauda sends and his ethics/morals, or lack thereof.

The others are fairly clearly farming trust

It's so funny seeing you talking about "morals" and "ethics", pure joke...

[Quickseller]

I think the exclusion has to do with the ratings that lauda sends and his ethics/morals, or lack thereof.

The others are fairly clearly farming trust

Yeah, Lauda is a complete asshole.

Today is the best day of my life! He's so butthurt   thank you so much OgNasty, you saved the forum

I wouldn't go as far as to say that this qualifies as the best day of anyone's life, however this will certainly be good for the community.

Ideally blazed will outright remove lauda from his trust list considering the number of others who have excluded lauda from the default trust network.  

Lauda is very butthurt and will likely work behind the scenes to get his position back, likely using lies that will not get rack checked because they will be told privately.

[Pearls Before Swine]

I think the exclusion has to do with the ratings that lauda sends and his ethics/morals, or lack thereof.

The others are fairly clearly farming trust

It's so funny seeing you talking about "morals" and "ethics", pure joke...

Yeah, he holds two sides of an escrow deal and ZERO ethics.  I find it sad that people are pigpiling on top of each other (that's a lot of flab slapping) to rub it into Lauda's face about the DT thing.  This forum is swirling around the shitter while the scammers laugh with glee.  Scammers never think they do anything wrong,  which is why this forum needs scam busters. 

[kiklo]

I guess kiklo will be having a field day.  He probably thinks that he did this with the incessant spamming.

 

There is no doubt about that.

Pretty immature for an 84 year old, eh?

There you idiots go again, trying to make this a Kiklo did this or Kiklo did that.

Did you Dumb Asses ever bother looking at the reputation forum, the majority of complaints are about Lauda,  I think I created about 4 or 5 topics in a 2 month period and then locked them.

There were a lot more ongoing topics about Lauda's abuse of DT, by multiple users.
Ignoring that shows you trying to hide the facts.

Fact of the Matter is , Lauda has no one to blame but herself.

Vod , I did recently read the ripoff report on you, if even 1% of that report is true, you are pure scum.
If that report is false why don't you contact ripoff report and get it removed or is it true and you are stuck with it. 

Anyone want to compare my IQ and apparent Age, read my Post History and then read the Fatman's Vod Post history , it is not hard at all to discern which of us is Older and Wiser.

Or in Vod's case Younger , Dumber, & Fatter. 


 

[Lutpin]

I wouldn't go as far as to say that this qualifies as the best day of anyone's life, however this will certainly be good for the community.
Ideally blazed will outright remove lauda from his trust list considering the number of others who have excluded lauda from the default trust network.  
Lauda is very butthurt and will likely work behind the scenes to get his position back, likely using lies that will not get rack checked because they will be told privately.

Ideally QS will outright shut up about this given the way they were to leave the default trust network.
QS is very eager and will likely jump on any situation they can get to attack Lauda. But who's surprised by that anymore, right?
Take a jab at Z and me while you're at it. The more the merrier.

Sometime yesterday OgNasty excluded Lutpin, Zepher and myself.

So that's the big play that was announced for July.

[Lauda]

He's so butthurt   thank you so much OgNasty, you saved the forum

Pathetic how you can't accept that this doesn't change anything. The only butthurt people are those thinking that this changes anything, aside from letting hundreds of accounts roam in the wild. Definitely a "win for the community" as Quickscammer puts it, or should I say a "win for him"?

Ideally blazed will outright remove lauda from his trust list considering the number of others who have excluded lauda from the default trust network.  

That is not going to happen.

Lauda is very butthurt and..

will likely work behind the scenes to get his position back, likely using lies that will not get rack checked because they will be told privately.

Is this a description of what you've attempted in the past? That worked out nicely.

[Iranus]

I guess kiklo will be having a field day.  He probably thinks that he did this with the incessant spamming.

 

There is no doubt about that.

Pretty immature for an 84 year old, eh?

Did you Dumb Asses ever bother looking at the reputation forum, the majority of complaints are about Lauda,  I think I created about 4 or 5 topics in a 2 month period and then locked them.

The majority of complaints are about Lauda.  Almost all of these complaints bring no new information.

Your complaints were all just repeating the same thing several things - that you really, really don't like Lauda, or that Lauda is being mean to you.

You are now pushing to a new way of phrasing the argument by assertion.  Rational Wiki explains it like this:

Alternately, the argument can be phrased as:
X has been asserted as true many times.
Things that have been asserted as true many times are true.
X is true.

There were a lot more ongoing topics about Lauda's abuse of DT, by multiple users.
Ignoring that shows you trying to hide the facts.

OK, this is true, albeit exaggerated.  There were a couple of shady cases such as jonald_fyookball - I don't think he should have got negative trust on DT.  While Lauda is not on DT, the negative trust is reasonable, because Lauda no longer needs to be so objective.

Anyone want to compare my IQ and apparent Age, read my Post History and then read the Fatman's Vod Post history , it is not hard at all to discern which of us is Older and Wiser.

Yep, you're one of the cleverest and most mature people I've ever seen  

[kiklo]

@Iranus or do you prefer I just call you Anus.  

If the Default Trust System was designed correctly then Lauda would have Never been able to abuse it.

You all want to throw blame and pretend the trust system is worth something, when in fact it is a lame design , that needs an overhaul.

Lauda , Vod, and the other DT thugs are all a symptom of the broken design and if the DT members do not police their own members that abuse it on personal whims , DT will always be bullshit.

But go ahead and insult me , because your head is so far up your anus, you can't see the whole trust system is broken. And that is what I Railed against , but you were not bright enough to comprehend that.

 

[actmyname]

if the DT members do not police their own members that abuse it on personal whims , DT will always be bullshit.

You always resort to the same meaningless arguments again and again.

If you corrupt ass DT members would actually Self-Police your own members, then Lauda reign of abuse would end , instead you pieces of shit continue abusing non-dt members.

Ryland R. Taylor Almanza=MIxan Needs removed from DT

... ?

DT Members are not immune to persecution, but because DT members are trusted they are not as inclined to scam or conduct scummy behavior.Also, I still think you have DT and green trust mixed up. DT is when an individual is added to the DT trust tree and green trust is just when they are given positive feedbacks by DT individuals.

You still haven't answered my question, by the way. I bolded it for you in case your eyesight has deteriorated from your old age.

Okay, so then let's take a look. Going in here and viewing DT, I find that there are 209 DT members, in level 1 and 2. Are you trying to tell me that you think - given all of them are corrupt and scammers - that there are <209 scammers that aren't on the DT trust list?

Go make your own forum with its own trust system and we'll see how it works out. If it's good, then there's no reason not to implement it here: be the bigger man and help us experiment, yeah?

[kiklo]

if the DT members do not police their own members that abuse it on personal whims , DT will always be bullshit.

You always resort to the same meaningless arguments again and again.

This is where you Prove yourself to be KissAss , as the fact is the Default Trust Design is flawed,
allowing personal opinion and personal dislike to replace actual evidence of wrong doing.
It is the primary argument and it should be recognized as that , the DT Thugs that abuse it do so ,
because it is a flawed design of hearsay and innuendo.

If you corrupt ass DT members would actually Self-Police your own members, then Lauda reign of abuse would end , instead you pieces of shit continue abusing non-dt members.

Ryland R. Taylor Almanza=MIxan Needs removed from DT

... ?

DT Members are not immune to persecution, but because DT members are trusted they are not as inclined to scam or conduct scummy behavior.Also, I still think you have DT and green trust mixed up. DT is when an individual is added to the DT trust tree and green trust is just when they are given positive feedbacks by DT individuals.

Again you simpleton ass kisser ,
There is no direct oversight of DT ratings and members are given cart blank to make up shit as they go,
read the ratings most are rantings of dislike not actual evidence of wrong doing.
Or do you think this is the minority report and you can prosecute people before they commit wrongdoings.

You still haven't answered my question, by the way. I bolded it for you in case your eyesight has deteriorated from your old age.

Okay, so then let's take a look. Going in here and viewing DT, I find that there are 209 DT members, in level 1 and 2. Are you trying to tell me that you think - given all of them are corrupt and scammers - that there are <209 scammers that aren't on the DT trust list?

Go make your own forum with its own trust system and we'll see how it works out. If it's good, then there's no reason not to implement it here: be the bigger man and help us experiment, yeah?

I already moved my snapshot service to another forum, and moved to other forums for discussions.
But that does not mean, I will not call a piece of shit when I see it , shit.

Are all of the DT members corrupt , of course not , but for evil to happen all of the few good members have to do is nothing, which sadly by not self policing their own members ratings is exactly what happens.

Example: Maybe you would prefer the Police in your area have no oversight, and when you get a ticket , the officer kills you, because he did not like your face, clothes, or comments.
Now quit being a damn dumb ass and recognize the DT members generally act with zero oversight of their ratings.  

 

FYI:
Giving an group or individual the power to act as Judge , Jury , & Executioner will always lead to corruption and abuse, study your history and quit being so stupid!

[actmyname]

There is no direct oversight of DT ratings and members are given cart blank to make up shit as they go,
read the ratings most are rantings not actual evidence of wrong doing.
Or do you think this is the minority report and you can prosecute people before they commit wrongdoings.

That final point. We should prevent crimes before they happen, no? Conspiracy to commit a crime should be treated the same as the act of committing the crime itself. The only difference is when the individuals are punished.
If you look at a lot of trust ratings, you'll find that in reality most are NOT rantings. Example: Lauda's sent feedbacks (since you seem to love complaining about them)

There are a few without references but the majority do have references and are legitimate feedback warnings.

If there is a known scammer, would you simply wait until you are scammed to send them a negative feedback? You wouldn't bother warn others about their scamming (or an accusation towards them that has yet to receive a reply?)

Are all of the DT members corrupt , of course not , but for evil to happen all of the few good members have to do is nothing, which sadly by not self policing their own members ratings is exactly what happens.

Already showed you the Ryland case.

Example: Maybe you would prefer the Police in your area have no oversight, and when you get a ticket , the officer kills you, because he did not like your face, clothes, or comments.
Now quit being a damn dumb ass and recognize the DT members generally act with zero oversight of their ratings.

Not a great analogy, given the fact that DT members can't kill you. They can direct feedback to your account in an effort to slander your name but if you can redirect the attention towards their unruly behavior and remove their trusted status then it's possible to nullify the effects. Typically when you act like a child in court, the jury doesn't take very kindly to you either.

FYI:
Giving an group or individual the power to act as Judge , Jury , & Executioner will always lead to corruption and abuse, study your history and quit being so stupid!

Agreeable. But from a trading perspective, the jury is your potential partner, not DT. If the feedback is irrelevant then you can easily convince potential traders.


And I don't see why you call me an asskisser since there's nothing for me to gain from Lauda, who is now off DT  

(Oh, but of course! Because Lauda = theymos = satoshi)

[kiklo]

That final point. We should prevent crimes before they happen, no?

Is this where you claim the DT members to be all seeing and all knowing and never make mistakes.  
If you can't see how this will be abused  , you are a perfect 1984 minion and slave.
Enjoy your slavery to your DT masters.

FYI:  
AT the end of the minority report
The PreCrime system is shut down!
So according to its writer , the Answer is NO!
There is no perfect system to predict the future that could prevent more abuse than it Creates.  

Not a great analogy, given the fact that DT members can't kill you. They can direct feedback to your account in an effort to slander your name but if you can redirect the attention towards their unruly behavior and remove their trusted status then it's possible to nullify the effects. Typically when you act like a child in court, the jury doesn't take very kindly to you either.

You ever been fired from a job and then were blacklisted so you could not get work in that area.
Now tell me how do you buy food and pay for necessities , without said income.
DT members blacklist people without proof or oversight, and block income from signature & escrow services, which they can then monopolize for themselves. So thinking that they don't hurt people , is pure stupidity on your part.

In a court the person accusing you does not decide your fate.

And I don't see why you call me an asskisser since there's nothing for me to gain from Lauda, who is now off DT  

Because you still want to act like Lauda is the entire problem and since she is removed it is all well and dandy.
Lauda was only 1 of the abusers of a flawed designed system.

Read this closely and try and comprehend:
THE DEFAULT TRUST SYSTEM IS FLAWED AND BROKEN , AND WILL NEVER BE MORE THAN BULLSHIT ,
if the following is never done to fix it.
Oversight of Ratings by 3rd parties before a negative rating can be entered
or
Members have to agree to receive positive or negative ratings during escrows and trades.

Either of the two would fix this piece of shit trust system,
And that is the Main Point!!!!

 
 

[actmyname]

Now tell me how do you buy food and pay for necessities , without said income.
DT members blacklist people without proof, and block income from signature & escrow services, which they can then monopolize for themselves. So thinking that they don't hurt people , is pure stupidity on your part.

Signature campaigns are a privilege. They should not be your only source of income because that creates an unstable reliance upon the campaigns. As well as this, it perpetuates spam. If you're forced to post for money, the type of discussion you're involved in is not necessarily that of a constructive nature. See Gambling discussion for reference.

Oversight of Ratings by 3rd parties before a negative rating can be entered

Who? And what if that third party is corrupt? You'll need an nth party to monitor them.

or
Members have to agree to receive positive or negative ratings during escrows and trades.

Wouldn't you only then trade with people who agree to receive the ratings then, given that those that don't agree are more likely to scam - since there are no consequences? Nothing will change in that regard.


Still waiting for you to comment on how the majority of trust feedback sent out is valid, opposite of what you've been declaring consistently.

[kiklo]

@actmyname

You know their is an old saying.

You can't fix stupid.

I could talk to your dumbass all year and at the end of it , you still don't get it.

If the previous comments , I made can't crack that wall of stupid you surround yourself with , so be it.  

Enjoy being a slave to a broken design.

 


FYI:
Funny you run an escrow service and make the same basic undertone as Vod, who has been strangely silent.
Both of you are stupid, both of you are from Canada, both of you are on the same side of keeping a corrupt Default Trust system.

LOL,
Hello Vod,
you Dumb Fat Bastard.  

[Quickseller]

If you look at a lot of trust ratings, you'll find that in reality most are NOT rantings. Example: Lauda's sent feedbacks (since you seem to love complaining about them)
[img ]https://i.imgur.com/SV7ibW2.png[/img]
There are a few without references but the majority do have references and are legitimate feedback warnings.

Actually a number of Lauda's recently sent trust ratings are bogus. He left negative trust against WhatsBitcoin for being an alt of KingOfSports, however that account was given away to BlindMayorBitcorn over two years ago (also the accusation that WhatsBitcoin = KOS is two years old), and is available by looking at WhatsBitcoin's trust ratings. I would also point out that BlindMayorBitcorn was asking Lauda tough questions about his sketchy past that made Lauda look bad in the 'who will be the new moderator of the Wall Observer' thread, and the negative rating was no doubt retaliation for this.

Another bogus (recent) rating left by Lauda is that of Zeroxal who was actually extorted by lauda previously, and Lauda actually used the reference as a means to attempt to extort Zeroxal unsuccessfully. The reference here is just shy of being two years old.

If what Lauda says about Yudai is true, then Yudai would not be a scammer.

The rating against noire is attempting to enforce the TOS of the website that Lauda has been advertising for several months now, so there is a clear conflict of interest.

Without doing any serious amount of research, I was able to find serious concerns about 4 of 19 sent ratings, that is over 20% error rate.

If there is a known scammer, would you simply wait until you are scammed to send them a negative feedback? You wouldn't bother warn others about their scamming (or an accusation towards them that has yet to receive a reply?)

Lauda very frequently leaves negative trust against people for things that do not constitute a scam. He also leaves negative trust based on baseless speculation.

Are all of the DT members corrupt , of course not , but for evil to happen all of the few good members have to do is nothing, which sadly by not self policing their own members ratings is exactly what happens.

Already showed you the Ryland case.[/quote]There was actually no evidence presented in the Ryland case. The only evidence that Ryland was an alt of Mixan was the word of someone who is not trustworthy, this person was asked to take actions that would allow a more trustworthy person to verify his claims, and declined to do so. The only think we know with certainty about Ryland is that the account changed hands, which certainly does not make the person (currently) behind the account a scammer.

[minifrij]

If what Lauda says about Yudai is true, then Yudai would not be a scammer.

This is completely false. By using automated translation tools to translate into languages like Japanese you are providing a sub-par translation. By doing what he is doing, he is giving a sub-par product and trying to take payment for it. That is a scam.

Regardless however, negative trust does not make you a scammer.

The only think we know with certainty about Ryland is that the account changed hands, which certainly does not make the person (currently) behind the account a scammer.

If the original owner was put onto DT and/or received trust on the forum, then only the original owner should be allowed to keep these things in tact. If the account has changed hands, it is no longer under the person that was added to DT in the first place and is therefore not fit to be on there (unless proven otherwise). The same applies for trust.

[FXOpen]

Everyone says Lauda is a girl. She must be! I thought she was a man up until this day.

It's impossible for a single male to:
- Jump to conclusions so easily
- Have little logical intelligence
- Have a permanent bitchy attitude
- Be very hard to argue with
- Disregard evidence as something useless

Removing Lauda off DT has been a long-awaited step forward for the forum. It should have happened much earlier, however it makes the celebration no less cheerful. 

The celebration continues!