Roger Ver holds around 300k bitcoins worth $750 Million and wants the fork

[JollyGood]

Bitcoin unlimited not evrywhere trading ,price is going down, Cryptopia not added.

Hence my previous post where I wrote that dark days of uncertainty lay ahead

[Gabo]

Guys, the enemy is AXA - Blockstream, not Roger Ver. Wake up

[bitcoinvestor]

Having a lot of Bitcoin matters but doesn't give you ownership of the network

He want to loose his asset? How he is sure that BTU will be accepted by big exchanger. The only small exchanger recieves then big dump. LOST,  I think he is stupid trader to do that. Why does he join the BTC community. The independence community. 300 K BTC will be worthless.

[JollyGood]

He want to loose his asset? How he is sure that BTU will be accepted by big exchanger. The only small exchanger recieves then big dump. LOST,  I think he is stupid trader to do that. Why does he join the BTC community. The independence community. 300 K BTC will be worthless.

Well the thing is nobody knows what the future will hold but from is being said about the issue it seems various very large exchanges have accepted (in principal) that they will trade BTU. None have said they will give up trading BTC.

After a few weeks of 1st August fork we will see which one of the two will be the leading block chosen by bitcoin holders. The future with regards to bitcoin is completely uncertain.

[HomoHenning]

Roger said he will probably sell BTC and mine BCC if 2X fork will not happen. I think fork will happen, BCC will die and Roger will be calmed down

[JollyGood]

Roger said he will probably sell BTC and mine BCC if 2X fork will not happen. I think fork will happen, BCC will die and Roger will be calmed down

  Your analysis and oversimplification makes me chuckle but very nicely and directly put by you

[bitjoin]

Having a lot of Bitcoin matters but doesn't give you ownership of the network

Agree, bitcoin would do just fine without bitcoin.com and even if he dumped his 300k the crash would be temporary and recover in a few days. If hes happy to make a new alt let him do whatever.

[JollyGood]

Agree, bitcoin would do just fine without bitcoin.com and even if he dumped his 300k the crash would be temporary and recover in a few days. If hes happy to make a new alt let him do whatever.

I really like and appreciate the way people give their views on this subject.. So open and direct, no holds barred.

I agree with your approach, if someone want to do something let them do it however once should always consider the fact that just because one can do something does not mean they must do it. Restraint and moral obligations should be looked in to as well. In the case of Roger Ver it seems the decision has been made, only a couple of days left to see what happens with the fork.

[misterbigg]

Thats huge huge amount..   
So Roger just holding 300k bitcoins or investing in other projects or ICO as well

[RewFrew]

Bla bla bla.

He gonna choose the best way to grow his money.

Deception is king.

[cellard]

The clock is ticking out. Roger Ver will soon need to show to the world how much he supports his ambitions to hardfork and compete against BTC. We will see if he really sells all of his BTC in exchange of BCC. This is a great opportunity to see if he puts the money where his mouth is or if he is just bullshitting as usual.

Remember that never before this situation has taken place in Bitcoin. We will see a war of whales and we will see where everyone stands, and to my knowledge Roger Ver is the only Bitcoin Cash whale.

[Maheshkumar_Hrangkhawl]

We will see if he really sells all of his BTC in exchange of BCC. This is a great opportunity to see if he puts the money where his mouth is or if he is just bullshitting as usual.

Even if he purchases around 4 million BCC for around BTC100,000 (at a rate of BTC0.025 per coin), it will create a sharp demand and a lot of other traders will follow this and purchase BCC for themselves. In the end, Ver will be left with 25% of all the BCC in circulation, in addition to more than 1% of the Bitcoins in total available supply.

[JollyGood]

Thats huge huge amount..   
So Roger just holding 300k bitcoins or investing in other projects or ICO as well

Some people say he invested heavily in various coins by selling huge amounts of his BTC coins but that has not been confirmed.

[JayJuanGee]

Stop and think for a moment.
If I own a large number of Bitcoins, and Bitcoin.com,  that means I'm financially motivated to do everything I can to improve the value of those assets.
This is unlike Adam Back, the CEO of Blockstream, who by his own admission, and despite having known about Bitcoin for about 5 years due to being contacted by Satoshi himself in 2008, he didn't own a single Bitcoin himself in April of 2013.  I doubt he has many bitcoins now either.

You have repeated this longevity argument frequently, and it is sad to hear because it is a kind of sign of insecurity to attempt to argue longevity status.  Bitcoin is not proof of stake.  Thank god.

Compare that with someone like myself who spent nearly every penny I had buying Bitcoin as soon as I learned about them in 2011.

That is good for you, but does not make you god because you had invested with such passion and leverage - a kind of gamble that paid off handsomely, but you should not be a bully about it.. even if you happen to be one of the largest bitcoin holders...  whether you own 100k or 300k..

Adam Back can run circles around me when it comes to the underlying mathematics of Bitcoin, 

at least you are humble enough to admit that.  You should also have respect for your elders, if you are trying to play status games.

but he has demonstrated by his own actions that he has absolutely no clue why Bitcoin came to be used as money, and to this day he still doesn't understand why Bitcoin is money.

You admit that you are arguing with a person that is older and smarter than you, but still you want to try to denigrate him on some supposed money theory, and you are coming off as trying to be smart about something that you could not really understand, except for asserting that you understand some simplified version of your idea of money.

Sadly, his firm has done an incredible amount of harm to Bitcoin's adoption rate and has caused Bitcoin's market share to plummet from around 90% to less than 50% today.

misplaced and weak arguments of causation.. correlation does not equal causation, we all know that, right?  You are really engaging in a personalized and emotional battle and really not connecting certain bigger picture matters, including basic concepts of decentralization.

Bitcoin is the only coin in the world to ever have had full blocks.

Makes little sense.. because the facts seem to clearly establish spam attacks and then you trying to act as if the spam attacks are reflective of some kind of organic useage of bitcoin.  Your assertions do not line up with the actual facts.

If we want to experiment with the effects of full blocks on a system,  it is incredibly reckless to do it on Bitcoin, yet that is exactly what Adam and his ilk have done.  If we want to experiment with full blocks, do it on an alt coin!

You well know that there are lots of experiments running out there and bitcoin is the real deal.  Further you likely realize that seg wit is going to resolve a lot of these matters, so that seems to be scaring your to death regarding your spinning of facts and what is going to happen once segwit is locked in and then activated.

[JohnMacaron]

I support Bitcoin Cash and here's why.

Look at this chart https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/#dominance-percentage it says that from February 21 up to June 17 Bitcoin market share has dropped from 87% to 38! Doesn'i it bother you people at all? That's why price went down to 1700$, PEOPLE STOPPED USING BITCOIN, because of the lack of credibility- namely slow transactions and high as fuck fees. After that price returned to ~2700$ ONLY because of speculations around Segwit2x. It's the only reason, bBitcoin  is dying and u all know it.

[Gabo]

I support Bitcoin Cash and here's why.

Look at this chart https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/#dominance-percentage it says that from February 21 up to June 17 Bitcoin market share has dropped from 87% to 38! Doesn'i it bother you people at all? That's why price went down to 1700$, PEOPLE STOPPED USING BITCOIN, because of the lack of credibility- namely slow transactions and high as fuck fees. After that price returned to ~2700$ ONLY because of speculations around Segwit2x. It's the only reason, bBitcoin  is dying and u all know it.

You are right but people here are blind. Blockstream want to control the transfactions and fees by sidechains, thats why they want a slow bitcoin. I can't believe they don't see that and much more behind (AXA).

[JayJuanGee]

I support Bitcoin Cash and here's why.

Look at this chart https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/#dominance-percentage it says that from February 21 up to June 17 Bitcoin market share has dropped from 87% to 38! Doesn'i it bother you people at all? That's why price went down to 1700$, PEOPLE STOPPED USING BITCOIN, because of the lack of credibility- namely slow transactions and high as fuck fees. After that price returned to ~2700$ ONLY because of speculations around Segwit2x. It's the only reason, bBitcoin  is dying and u all know it.

Yeah, another nutjob with distorted facts.

The reality of the matter is that various cryptos were pumped to hell, including ethereum, and during that time bitcoin was at all time highs too, but the pump jobs were growing at a faster rate.  That is hardly evidence of a dying bitcoin... so get your selective facts straight instead of trying to spin a situation in some pie in the sky wish.

Second, did you even notice that all of a sudden, as soon as segwit2x was signaling intention, the mempool back log went to nearly zero and accordingly, the transaction fees and the and the delays went down to normal levels too.  Get in touch with reality and stop citing misinformation and fantasy to support your stupid ass theories about bitcoin supposedly being broken.  Roger cites this same kind of pie in the sky nonsense that is out of touch with reality; however, the fact that a whole bunch of you big blocker nutjobs are citing the same wrong facts does not make them any more true... and don't come out saying that there are various versions of truth because there are not.

The fact of the matter is that there is no need for increasing the blocksize limit, yet, and down the road we see how segwit plays out, then maybe at some point (maybe a few years from now) there will be a need to increase the blocksize limit.  Gotta take one step at a time, and the first step is the bullish as fuck situation that segwit is soon to lock-in and subsequently activate.. which is very powerful for the building on of bitcoin and making bitcoin the only fucking coin that maintains a decentralized set up - in spite of the misinformation of the big blocker nutjobs and the forkers who are continuing to want to deceive and propaganda with their shitty ass and seemingly coercion intended hardfork.

[JohnMacaron]

I support Bitcoin Cash and here's why.

Look at this chart https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/#dominance-percentage it says that from February 21 up to June 17 Bitcoin market share has dropped from 87% to 38! Doesn'i it bother you people at all? That's why price went down to 1700$, PEOPLE STOPPED USING BITCOIN, because of the lack of credibility- namely slow transactions and high as fuck fees. After that price returned to ~2700$ ONLY because of speculations around Segwit2x. It's the only reason, bBitcoin  is dying and u all know it.

Yeah, another nutjob with distorted facts.

The reality of the matter is that various cryptos were pumped to hell, including ethereum, and during that time bitcoin was at all time highs too, but the pump jobs were growing at a faster rate.  That is hardly evidence of a dying bitcoin... so get your selective facts straight instead of trying to spin a situation in some pie in the sky wish.

Second, did you even notice that all of a sudden, as soon as segwit2x was signaling intention, the mempool back log went to nearly zero and accordingly, the transaction fees and the and the delays went down to normal levels too.  Get in touch with reality and stop citing misinformation and fantasy to support your stupid ass theories about bitcoin supposedly being broken.  Roger cites this same kind of pie in the sky nonsense that is out of touch with reality; however, the fact that a whole bunch of you big blocker nutjobs are citing the same wrong facts does not make them any more true... and don't come out saying that there are various versions of truth because there are not.

The fact of the matter is that there is no need for increasing the blocksize limit, yet, and down the road we see how segwit plays out, then maybe at some point (maybe a few years from now) there will be a need to increase the blocksize limit.  Gotta take one step at a time, and the first step is the bullish as fuck situation that segwit is soon to lock-in and subsequently activate.. which is very powerful for the building on of bitcoin and making bitcoin the only fucking coin that maintains a decentralized set up - in spite of the misinformation of the big blocker nutjobs and the forkers who are continuing to want to deceive and propaganda with their shitty ass and seemingly coercion intended hardfork.

   First things first. You're an imbecile.

   And second, if altcoins were pumped, don't you think it's because people disappointed in Bitcoin started to draw their bitcoins into Ethereum and whatever? You're insulting people and obviously think yourself to be so high and mighty, but u've never cited any reasonable facts to support your dumbass position on matter at hand.

[Zer0Sum]

I support Bitcoin Cash and here's why.

Look at this chart https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/#dominance-percentage it says that from February 21 up to June 17 Bitcoin market share has dropped from 87% to 38! Doesn'i it bother you people at all? That's why price went down to 1700$, PEOPLE STOPPED USING BITCOIN, because of the lack of credibility- namely slow transactions and high as fuck fees. After that price returned to ~2700$ ONLY because of speculations around Segwit2x. It's the only reason, bBitcoin  is dying and u all know it.

Yeah, another nutjob with distorted facts.

The reality of the matter is that various cryptos were pumped to hell, including ethereum, and during that time bitcoin was at all time highs too, but the pump jobs were growing at a faster rate.  That is hardly evidence of a dying bitcoin... so get your selective facts straight instead of trying to spin a situation in some pie in the sky wish.

Second, did you even notice that all of a sudden, as soon as segwit2x was signaling intention, the mempool back log went to nearly zero and accordingly, the transaction fees and the and the delays went down to normal levels too.  Get in touch with reality and stop citing misinformation and fantasy to support your stupid ass theories about bitcoin supposedly being broken.  Roger cites this same kind of pie in the sky nonsense that is out of touch with reality; however, the fact that a whole bunch of you big blocker nutjobs are citing the same wrong facts does not make them any more true... and don't come out saying that there are various versions of truth because there are not.

The fact of the matter is that there is no need for increasing the blocksize limit, yet, and down the road we see how segwit plays out, then maybe at some point (maybe a few years from now) there will be a need to increase the blocksize limit.  Gotta take one step at a time, and the first step is the bullish as fuck situation that segwit is soon to lock-in and subsequently activate.. which is very powerful for the building on of bitcoin and making bitcoin the only fucking coin that maintains a decentralized set up - in spite of the misinformation of the big blocker nutjobs and the forkers who are continuing to want to deceive and propaganda with their shitty ass and seemingly coercion intended hardfork.

   First things first. You're an imbecile.

   And second, if altcoins were pumped, don't you think it's because people disappointed in Bitcoin started to draw their bitcoins into Ethereum and whatever? You're insulting people and obviously think yourself to be so high and mighty, but u've never cited any reasonable facts to support your dumbass position on matter at hand.

Something will replace Core and alt traders know it... the only question is what and when.

[JayJuanGee]

I support Bitcoin Cash and here's why.

Look at this chart https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/#dominance-percentage it says that from February 21 up to June 17 Bitcoin market share has dropped from 87% to 38! Doesn'i it bother you people at all? That's why price went down to 1700$, PEOPLE STOPPED USING BITCOIN, because of the lack of credibility- namely slow transactions and high as fuck fees. After that price returned to ~2700$ ONLY because of speculations around Segwit2x. It's the only reason, bBitcoin  is dying and u all know it.

Yeah, another nutjob with distorted facts.

The reality of the matter is that various cryptos were pumped to hell, including ethereum, and during that time bitcoin was at all time highs too, but the pump jobs were growing at a faster rate.  That is hardly evidence of a dying bitcoin... so get your selective facts straight instead of trying to spin a situation in some pie in the sky wish.

Second, did you even notice that all of a sudden, as soon as segwit2x was signaling intention, the mempool back log went to nearly zero and accordingly, the transaction fees and the and the delays went down to normal levels too.  Get in touch with reality and stop citing misinformation and fantasy to support your stupid ass theories about bitcoin supposedly being broken.  Roger cites this same kind of pie in the sky nonsense that is out of touch with reality; however, the fact that a whole bunch of you big blocker nutjobs are citing the same wrong facts does not make them any more true... and don't come out saying that there are various versions of truth because there are not.

The fact of the matter is that there is no need for increasing the blocksize limit, yet, and down the road we see how segwit plays out, then maybe at some point (maybe a few years from now) there will be a need to increase the blocksize limit.  Gotta take one step at a time, and the first step is the bullish as fuck situation that segwit is soon to lock-in and subsequently activate.. which is very powerful for the building on of bitcoin and making bitcoin the only fucking coin that maintains a decentralized set up - in spite of the misinformation of the big blocker nutjobs and the forkers who are continuing to want to deceive and propaganda with their shitty ass and seemingly coercion intended hardfork.

   First things first. You're an imbecile.

   And second, if altcoins were pumped, don't you think it's because people disappointed in Bitcoin started to draw their bitcoins into Ethereum and whatever? You're insulting people and obviously think yourself to be so high and mighty, but u've never cited any reasonable facts to support your dumbass position on matter at hand.

Yeah right.  You should look in the mirror newbie. 

You are likely paid to make these dumbass lame theories that are not based in reality. 

First of all your theories are based upon incorrect facts, and then second you engage in spinning of those lame "facts" in order to arrive at your pie in the sky conclusion that bitcoin is either broken or dead... Nonsense.  Bitcoin is a long way from either being broken or dead, and these are bullish as fuck times for bitcoin and the greatness of segwit.

Sorry for your loss and your inability to convince anyone except those who are equally in a fantasy way of thinking.