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July 13, 2017, 12:36:55 PM
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Even now, the Crimean Tatars are not happy under the Russian rule.

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Фээcбэшники пoдкидывaют вepyющим opyжиe и гpaнaты, a пoтoм иx apecтoвывaют. (In Russian)
https://strana.ua/articles/special/17714-shariat-na-galichine.html

For sure.
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July 13, 2017, 07:36:38 PM
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Actually it simply would look like in Crimea. 100% surrender and 70% even changing the side.
Thousands of former Ukrainian soldiers are actually now serving in Russian ranks in Crimea.

They just need to take out the leaders and radicals.

What happened in Crimea and Donbass was different. Those areas were heavily populated with ethnic Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians. Ukrainians from Kiev and Lviv are not going to change their loyalty, no matter what happens. Even now, the Crimean Tatars are not happy under the Russian rule.

The Russians appeared in large numbers in Ukraine and the Crimea at the expense of forcible eviction or destruction of the indigenous population by the method of weaning food products (Holodomor), followed by the resettlement of the vacated place by Russian settlers, to whom Russia rendered economic assistance.
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July 13, 2017, 08:01:12 PM
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In 2017, Ukraine is given a chance to clear its territory of Russian invaders.  The fact is that in 2018, Russia will host the World Cup in football..

You got to be CRAZY to spoil the WORLD CUP Shocked Shocked..
That is worse the NORTH KOREA getting NUKES Angry Angry..

Spoil my football everyone is dead Angry Angry..

Ukraine spoil the world cup and the whole world will kill you Wink Wink..

Imagine i am waiting for 1 more team on me Accumulator and Ukraine kicking off
ACT OF WAR well i loose half me winnings..

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July 13, 2017, 08:08:35 PM
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followed by the resettlement of the vacated place by Russian settlers, to whom Russia rendered economic assistance.

LOL

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July 14, 2017, 01:49:55 AM
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In 2017, Ukraine is given a chance to clear its territory of Russian invaders.  The fact is that in 2018, Russia will host the World Cup in football..

There are no Russian soldiers in Donbass. So a battle between the DPR/LPR and Ukraine does not essentially mean a battle between Ukraine and Russia. But if the Ukies want to invade Crimea, then it is going to be another story.

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July 14, 2017, 12:03:36 PM
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In 2017, Ukraine is given a chance to clear its territory of Russian invaders.  The fact is that in 2018, Russia will host the World Cup in football..

There are no Russian soldiers in Donbass. So a battle between the DPR/LPR and Ukraine does not essentially mean a battle between Ukraine and Russia. But if the Ukies want to invade Crimea, then it is going to be another story.

Who will believe you? There is no person who will believe that there were no green men in the Crimea? From the fact that the Russians support Putin's lies, this does not mean that others believe in this lie. The Russian people lived in lies in the USSR and continues to live in lies. If the Russians like this way of life, this does not mean that other people like to live in lies.
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July 14, 2017, 12:41:02 PM
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Picture of kidnapped locals in Crimea.



Mister Alik is hardly under depression to not have such pictures from Donbass area.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCqO2I-I6BM
There is no Russian Army in Donbass, the claim of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Muzhenko

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Who will believe you? There is no person who will believe that there were no green men in the Crimea? From the fact that the Russians support Putin's lies, this does not mean that others believe in this lie. The Russian people lived in lies in the USSR and continues to live in lies. If the Russians like this way of life, this does not mean that other people like to live in lies.

If you believe that East/Crimea is occupied by 'green men' and poor eastern-Ukrainians are held hostages, then why on earth are you not rushing to help them? Shouldn't this have been a top priority? Instead you went into sanctioning those regions and cutting them off supplies/banking etc. Something's not right here... Could it be that they simply didn't appreciate the coup and overthrowing democratically elected president and are not very keen on accepting your puppet-government?

And could you remind us all why the Majdan happened at all? Wouldn't be easier just to wait for the next election and let people decide? Let me guess: "Yanukovych/Russia would surely rig the election!" - maybe, maybe not - you should've still tried to do it civilised way (+ invite international observes etc). And lets not forget that prior to Yanukovych you had a pro-EU government (Yushchenko/Tymoshenko) but they didn't do very well and got rejected, didn't they?

Face the reality kiddo, you got played pretty badly. You've lost huge chunk of your country and now have much less sovereignty than under Yanukovych. You've become EU's bitch with zero rights, you have to agree to anything they throw at you. Your 'right sector' militias figured it out eventually , but it was too late.


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July 14, 2017, 01:05:05 PM
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July 14, 2017, 03:41:18 PM
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What I see there is the making of assumptions by holding some factors constant which in the rel sense they are not always constant. In this case, the oP is just holding Russia constant that she will not be aware of such law or be aware of such military formations and all the movement will occur? Clearing a territory is not a sting operation that will be done with attracting attention as even test of military formations does same. So, the best way out here that I see is diplomatic resolution and nothing else.

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July 14, 2017, 04:09:54 PM
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Try it and Kiev is Russian in 2 months.

I disagree the West simply won't allow this. Europe and America alike have put up defenses across the region since the Russians started taking lands from the Ukraine. I do think that your bottom line notion is correct though - The Ukraine can not beat Russia in a military 1 on 1 battle.
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July 16, 2017, 04:51:01 PM
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Try it and Kiev is Russian in 2 months.

I disagree the West simply won't allow this. Europe and America alike have put up defenses across the region since the Russians started taking lands from the Ukraine. I do think that your bottom line notion is correct though - The Ukraine can not beat Russia in a military 1 on 1 battle.

I think that if Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia did not enter NATO in time, they suffered the same fate as Ukraine.
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July 16, 2017, 05:29:00 PM
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2017, Ukraine, do not miss the chance!
   
     In 2017, Ukraine is given a chance to clear its territory of Russian invaders.  The fact is that in 2018, Russia will host the World Cup in football.  So, if Ukraine starts active military operations in 2017 to restore its territorial integrity, it is unlikely that Putin on the eve of Mundialya-2018 will decide on open military confrontation, especially since the Russian president adheres to the lie about Russia's non-interference in the ongoing war of the Ukrainian state with Militants of separatists in the South-East of the country.  If Putin does not surrender the separatists and get involved in the war, then the Mundial, which has been questioned in Russia due to corruption scandals in FIFA, will be covered with a copper basin.  The reaction of the world community will undoubtedly prove to be unfavorable for Russia, regardless of military successes.  Roles of the outcast of the world community of Russia cannot be avoided.  Undoubtedly, in the event of a full-scale war between Russia and Ukraine, the latter will begin to receive military aid from the West.  The war will take a protracted character.  By the way, such a scenario already took place in the Crimean War of 1853-1856, which Russia successfully lost because of economic and technical backwardness.  One cannot doubt, for the same reason, and the current war will turn into a defeat for Russia.




Russia is a military super power, and the only reason why they aren't the current world power is because they aren't as rich as the USA, and they haven't advance technologically as the USA as well, there is no way that Ukraine will dare attack the Russians, Russian can wipe them all out in week to the extent that not even a Ukrainian ant will be able to survive.



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July 16, 2017, 08:16:41 PM
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Crimea gets annexed



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Independence_of_the_Republic_of_Crimea

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They fucking don't care about law or words or contract. They are shameless, ask the proud and honorable native of america... what's the value of the invaders words? 0.

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July 16, 2017, 10:39:03 PM
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Try it and Kiev is Russian in 2 months.

I disagree the West simply won't allow this. Europe and America alike have put up defenses across the region since the Russians started taking lands from the Ukraine. I do think that your bottom line notion is correct though - The Ukraine can not beat Russia in a military 1 on 1 battle.

I think that if Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia did not enter NATO in time, they suffered the same fate as Ukraine.

Russian government is run by soviet officials, so the soviet style rules apply.  They don't give a flying puck about agreements, promises, or law in general.  They can change the law anyway they want, so they feel the law does not apply to them.

When people talk about Russia not Soviet Union, they do not really understand Soviet/Russian mentality.  Russia is "Soviet Union lite"

Russia is run by a Soviet KGB agent what else can you expect?  He can shake your hand with one hand and shoot you with a .22LR with the other.  

Anything for the "mother Russia" LOL...

Western countries do not understand the dangers Russia poses to the world because they do not understand the Russian mentality.

Russian supremacy and expansionism is ingrained in the Russian psyche.  Russian apologists are just like Islamic apologists.  Denying the truth, diverting your attention to other issues, avoiding any real discussion on the subject.

Some on this forum will tell you that Ukrainian is not a real language, and that Ukrainians are really Russians, they just don't know it. ROFL...

The simple truth is that Ukraine was the most "Russified" from all western soviet republics, and they were not able to expel all the non natives from its territory in the early 1990s the way Baltic countries did.  So now they are facing the aftermath of that mistake.


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July 16, 2017, 10:41:41 PM
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Try it and Kiev is Russian in 2 months.

... and then WW III breaks out and it's game over for everyone.

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July 17, 2017, 01:23:06 AM
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Try it and Kiev is Russian in 2 months.

... and then WW III breaks out and it's game over for everyone.

GG.

Did the WW3 broke out after Russia had a war with Georgia in 2008? No. Did any of the NATO boyfriends came to the rescue of Georgia? No. The same will happen now. None of the NATO nations want to have a direct confrontation with Russia. They are not stupid enough to sacrifice their soldier's lives to defend a third world nation such as Ukraine.

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July 17, 2017, 10:56:04 AM
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Try it and Kiev is Russian in 2 months.

... and then WW III breaks out and it's game over for everyone.

GG.

Did the WW3 broke out after Russia had a war with Georgia in 2008? No. Did any of the NATO boyfriends came to the rescue of Georgia? No. The same will happen now. None of the NATO nations want to have a direct confrontation with Russia. They are not stupid enough to sacrifice their soldier's lives to defend a third world nation such as Ukraine.
The worst they can do is to impose sanctions on Russia and that's not going to stop Putin from doing what he wants to do, The USA will not take stand with Trump in power and neither would the rest take part, with Russia's problems with Ukraine, i doubt Ukraine will ever be granted membership into NATO.



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July 17, 2017, 11:11:16 AM
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Try it and Kiev is Russian in 2 months.

... and then WW III breaks out and it's game over for everyone.

GG.

Did the WW3 broke out after Russia had a war with Georgia in 2008? No. Did any of the NATO boyfriends came to the rescue of Georgia? No. The same will happen now. None of the NATO nations want to have a direct confrontation with Russia. They are not stupid enough to sacrifice their soldier's lives to defend a third world nation such as Ukraine.
The worst they can do is to impose sanctions on Russia and that's not going to stop Putin from doing what he wants to do, The USA will not take stand with Trump in power and neither would the rest take part, with Russia's problems with Ukraine, i doubt Ukraine will ever be granted membership into NATO.

It's not a matter of NATO membership, it's up to Russian revanchism to stop, because it carries a threat not only to Ukraine, but to all modern civilization.
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July 17, 2017, 11:50:51 AM
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Ukraine Now a lot of people have gone to other countries to flee, such as the United States, China, Russia, hope they can have a good life.
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