tyler
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December 02, 2010, 12:50:48 AM |
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Just do backups.
Have nothing else, if something happens to the information will not be affected and community survive.
But a backup is just that, a backup. There's no communication on the forum happening until SMF is running. Without having direct access to the entire database, a backup is a backup, and there could be a seperate forum running for communication. In fact, there is already a backup forum at http://44eeao3qvv2wz3vv.onion but there is no backup to reference. It seems though the backup changed its name since no one every went there including last night. Thats not a backup, thats a separate forum all together, its an agorist marketplace |
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Bimmerhead
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December 02, 2010, 01:26:25 AM |
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So, have we reach a decision making point on backup?
I think the consensus is:
1. Offsite backup, encrypted. Keys held by elder members.
Nice to have.
1. Failover solution. Some way to get the forum back up and running.
How long does it take to restore a backup on another SMF install? Can't be that big a job, and Bruce Wagner has setup an SMF board over at his site already. |
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Bruce Wagner (OP)
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December 04, 2010, 02:16:47 AM |
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freenet
Tell us about Freenet. |
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kiba
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December 04, 2010, 02:52:55 AM |
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How often is this synced?
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TylerJordan
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December 09, 2010, 02:20:08 AM |
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I run the earthsociety.org portal and the digital coin forum (small beans compared to bitcoin forum!). Would be willing to give a subdomain with ftp access to a maintainer to manage a mirror of bitcoin forum.
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MoonShadow
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December 09, 2010, 05:04:08 AM |
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freenet
Tell us about Freenet. Painfully difficult to set up properly on your computer, and painfully slow once it is working. It also makes a poor data haven (it's primary purpose) because the network has the habit of "forgeting" pieces of the file that you desire over time. This happens because nodes have limited storage space, and favor popular content; and because there is no way to compensate anyone for their contributions, so nodes drop off without warning. It's really mostly used as a huge encrypted BBS, distributing messages and content, much of it because it is objectionable to someone. |
"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."
- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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December 09, 2010, 06:38:43 AM |
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FreeNet is a good idea. Tor is a good idea. Distriubted forum is a good idea (I have never heard of such a thing before  ) IRC is a good idea. Providing a list of multiple forums/points of bitcoin communicating inside each bitcoin distribution is a good idea. Also maybe having a daily-updated tar.gz of the entire history of the forum would be good...and then everyone can download it as a torrent. |
"We will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.
Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks, but pure P2P networks are holding their own."
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em3rgentOrdr
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December 09, 2010, 02:06:52 PM |
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freenet
Tell us about Freenet. Painfully difficult to set up properly on your computer, and painfully slow once it is working. It also makes a poor data haven (it's primary purpose) because the network has the habit of "forgeting" pieces of the file that you desire over time. This happens because nodes have limited storage space, and favor popular content; and because there is no way to compensate anyone for their contributions, so nodes drop off without warning. It's really mostly used as a huge encrypted BBS, distributing messages and content, much of it because it is objectionable to someone. While it is true that the FreeNet network will forget stuff put up there once and never viewed, however, there are enough people using bitcoin forum and site that there will be plenty of people who can reseed it on FreeNet if it ever gets forgotten (which is unlikely, since hopefully there will be plenty of people accessing it regularly). |
"We will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.
Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks, but pure P2P networks are holding their own."
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kiba
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December 09, 2010, 03:17:54 PM |
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I run the earthsociety.org portal and the digital coin forum (small beans compared to bitcoin forum!). Would be willing to give a subdomain with ftp access to a maintainer to manage a mirror of bitcoin forum.
So how hard it is to get the forum data mirrored, anyone? |
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kiba
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December 09, 2010, 04:53:37 PM |
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Yes, we should do something better than a HTML scrape.
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kiba
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December 11, 2010, 05:59:17 PM |
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This is the second time that the forum goes down. We should definitely do something about distributing and mirroring it.
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Bruce Wagner (OP)
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December 11, 2010, 06:09:31 PM |
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Has anyone yet figured out why it is going down? No one seems to even know who runs this site!?  Starting today, I will be double-posting every comment I post, on both this forum and the bitcoinme.com forum. If I have time, I'll post it on the other 2 forums as well.... bitcoin.in and the Google Groups Bitcoin group. We need our forums of communication to be decentralized as well. |
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kiba
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December 11, 2010, 06:13:53 PM |
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Has anyone yet figured out why it is going down? No one seems to even know who runs this site!? It's Sirius and he speculate that there were too much memory usage. In other words, the bitcoin community is growing. |
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kiba
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December 11, 2010, 06:53:02 PM |
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For the last recent downtime, Sirius did an upgrade on the server. No worry.
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Bruce Wagner (OP)
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December 11, 2010, 07:00:00 PM |
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That's good to hear. It would be nice if he could read a wrecked the page to a down for maintenance page. ( I love android voice to text. That mistake was so cute I thought I'd leave it in. ) |
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kiba
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December 12, 2010, 01:30:50 AM |
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Or we can Sirius here and discuss about how we're going to mirror the bitcoin forum database...
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kiba
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December 14, 2010, 05:29:59 AM |
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Resurrecting this topic; we can't get complacent about this subject.
So, the simplest solution to this problem is to simply back up the database to somewhere safe, no?
Can we get Sirius onboard with this idea?
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sirius
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December 14, 2010, 06:25:05 AM |
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The main site could be mirrored, but keeping the forum database in sync on multiple servers sounds difficult. Automated backups of the database to a remote location would be useful if something unexpected happens with the hosting. Any ideas how to store the backups? Maybe encrypt them and distribute to multiple servers around the world. Distributing them through a single gateway (Dropbox, Tahoe-LAFS?) would save bandwidth.
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kiba
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December 14, 2010, 06:43:20 AM |
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Automated backups of the database to a remote location would be useful if something unexpected happens with the hosting. Any ideas how to store the backups? Maybe encrypt them and distribute to multiple servers around the world. Distributing them through a single gateway (Dropbox, Tahoe-LAFS?) would save bandwidth.
That would be a good start. Tahoe-LAFS would be nice to use also. (There's also possible synergy between Tahoe and Bitcoin) I think we can handle trusting the seniors not to abuse the database data. Any possible timetable? |
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