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Author Topic: Bitmain looks like they're releasing a 15GH/s DASH miner called the AntMiner D3  (Read 264453 times)
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August 10, 2017, 07:43:03 PM
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Any idea why last Aug 3 batch Bitmain originally announced L3+.  At the time of order I could not even add L3+ to order.  Bitmain was so slow 2 am PST.  Any idea why L3+ has such a large demand even though ROI is lot longer than D3?  Why such demand for L3+?
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August 10, 2017, 07:48:48 PM
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Any idea why last Aug 3 batch Bitmain originally announced L3+.  At the time of order I could not even add L3+ to order.  Bitmain was so slow 2 am PST.  Any idea why L3+ has such a large demand even though ROI is lot longer than D3?  Why such demand for L3+?

I guess because total hashrate compared to what a L3+ brings is very high and it is much more spread between different coins. So the calculated profitability is much more realistic than that for D3.
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August 10, 2017, 08:16:16 PM
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There is an other question I got concerning the whole bitmain thing:

Some people say, that Bitmain uses the devices themselves before selling them (or at least give them to some related companies before the private customers get them).
If so, theoretically, the Hashrate should not increase at all, right? It should drop when they get their miners shipped and increase to the same level again when all shippings arrive and the devices are pluged in again?

What stands against this theory is the estimated number of devices in one batch:
Total hashrate of X11 is aprox. 15 TH/s by now, which would mean 1000 D3 miners. But people are talking about much higher selling numbers.

Maybe it is some middle way: Like for example they sold 10000 pieces of which 3333 where already mining before. So the hasrate would triple.

Does anyone have an idea on how this could work?

The ones they're selling now probably haven't even been manufactured yet. It might make sense for Bitmain to mine for themselves for a few weeks but it also makes more sense for them to sell those miners BEFORE they're added to the network so that profitability calculation would look better at the time of purchase. Sell today, start mining next week, ship next month seems to be the model. So the hashrate will grow.

LTC hashrate went up 10 TH/s or 20k L3+ units in 4 months. It stands to reason that Bitmain is capable of adding 20k D3 units to the network over the next 4 months and they'll just play around with sale timing, prices, delivery dates to maintain the suspense.

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August 10, 2017, 08:41:20 PM
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There is an other question I got concerning the whole bitmain thing:

Some people say, that Bitmain uses the devices themselves before selling them (or at least give them to some related companies before the private customers get them).
If so, theoretically, the Hashrate should not increase at all, right? It should drop when they get their miners shipped and increase to the same level again when all shippings arrive and the devices are pluged in again?

What stands against this theory is the estimated number of devices in one batch:
Total hashrate of X11 is aprox. 15 TH/s by now, which would mean 1000 D3 miners. But people are talking about much higher selling numbers.

Maybe it is some middle way: Like for example they sold 10000 pieces of which 3333 where already mining before. So the hasrate would triple.

Does anyone have an idea on how this could work?

The ones they're selling now probably haven't even been manufactured yet. It might make sense for Bitmain to mine for themselves for a few weeks but it also makes more sense for them to sell those miners BEFORE they're added to the network so that profitability calculation would look better at the time of purchase. Sell today, start mining next week, ship next month seems to be the model. So the hashrate will grow.

LTC hashrate went up 10 TH/s or 20k L3+ units in 4 months. It stands to reason that Bitmain is capable of adding 20k D3 units to the network over the next 4 months and they'll just play around with sale timing, prices, delivery dates to maintain the suspense.

Historically... is it possible the September batches will ship early or more likely later than stated? I'm just curious if early shipment has been predominant or late ships.
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August 10, 2017, 08:53:55 PM
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There is an other question I got concerning the whole bitmain thing:

Some people say, that Bitmain uses the devices themselves before selling them (or at least give them to some related companies before the private customers get them).
If so, theoretically, the Hashrate should not increase at all, right? It should drop when they get their miners shipped and increase to the same level again when all shippings arrive and the devices are pluged in again?

What stands against this theory is the estimated number of devices in one batch:
Total hashrate of X11 is aprox. 15 TH/s by now, which would mean 1000 D3 miners. But people are talking about much higher selling numbers.

Maybe it is some middle way: Like for example they sold 10000 pieces of which 3333 where already mining before. So the hasrate would triple.

Does anyone have an idea on how this could work?

Bitmain tests their product for sure. The only people saying they or every manufacturer mines with their product are Baikal shills. They are trying to cover up the fact Baikal is selling a used product, that will very soon be obsolete.

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August 10, 2017, 08:59:51 PM
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I'm sure many are in the same boat, I woke up at 3:40am to be ready for the 4am release time of the D3 last night, spent 30 min furiously pressing F5 to no avail then went back to bed. I'm glad todays restart is at a more reasonable time in my time zone.
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August 10, 2017, 09:24:13 PM
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Historically... is it possible the September batches will ship early or more likely later than stated? I'm just curious if early shipment has been predominant or late ships.

The D3 being a new product and all - anything can happen. I don't think historic references would help much. Two years ago early S7 batches were delayed for weeks, ended up downclocked etc. S9 last year seemed to have a smoother start. Not sure about L3+, I skipped early batches and the later ones were ok.

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August 10, 2017, 09:29:11 PM
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Historically... is it possible the September batches will ship early or more likely later than stated? I'm just curious if early shipment has been predominant or late ships.

The D3 being a new product and all - anything can happen. I don't think historic references would help much. Two years ago early S7 batches were delayed for weeks, ended up downclocked etc. S9 last year seemed to have a smoother start. Not sure about L3+, I skipped early batches and the later ones were ok.


Ok thank you I guess just hoping for best outcome at this stage.
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August 10, 2017, 09:39:18 PM
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Any idea why last Aug 3 batch Bitmain originally announced L3+.  At the time of order I could not even add L3+ to order.  Bitmain was so slow 2 am PST.  Any idea why L3+ has such a large demand even though ROI is lot longer than D3?  Why such demand for L3+?

I guess because total hashrate compared to what a L3+ brings is very high and it is much more spread between different coins. So the calculated profitability is much more realistic than that for D3.


What do you mean by L3+ Litecoin hasrate is spread over different coins?  Which coins?
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August 10, 2017, 09:47:10 PM
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Does anyone have a great profitability calculator with hashing rate increase predictions into account.  I been using a Excel formula for DASH.  I am not sure I have been using this formula:
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-mining-fotmula.15753/
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August 10, 2017, 09:56:45 PM
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Any idea why last Aug 3 batch Bitmain originally announced L3+.  At the time of order I could not even add L3+ to order.  Bitmain was so slow 2 am PST.  Any idea why L3+ has such a large demand even though ROI is lot longer than D3?  Why such demand for L3+?

I guess because total hashrate compared to what a L3+ brings is very high and it is much more spread between different coins. So the calculated profitability is much more realistic than that for D3.


What do you mean by L3+ Litecoin hasrate is spread over different coins?  Which coins?

The L3+ is a scrypt algorithm miner so it can mine coins that use the scrypt algorithm.  I am not sure how accurate or complete this list is but if you go here and sort the table by type and then scroll down to POW scrypt you will see a lot of coins.
http://coinwik.org/List_of_all_DCs
I am not sure why there is an inconsistency with some being listed as just scrypt and some as POW scrypt but you can see there are a lot.  Then scroll down further and look at the list of X11 coins.  Those can be mined with the D3 which is an X11 algorithm miner.  So one thing worth mentioning is that monetary unit switched from quark to X11 fairly recently and it is accurately listed on there as X11 so it would appear that someone is maintaining the list to some degree.

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August 10, 2017, 10:16:34 PM
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Any idea why last Aug 3 batch Bitmain originally announced L3+.  At the time of order I could not even add L3+ to order.  Bitmain was so slow 2 am PST.  Any idea why L3+ has such a large demand even though ROI is lot longer than D3?  Why such demand for L3+?

I guess because total hashrate compared to what a L3+ brings is very high and it is much more spread between different coins. So the calculated profitability is much more realistic than that for D3.


What do you mean by L3+ Litecoin hasrate is spread over different coins?  Which coins?

The L3+ is a scrypt algorithm miner so it can mine coins that use the scrypt algorithm.  I am not sure how accurate or complete this list is but if you go here and sort the table by type and then scroll down to POW scrypt you will see a lot of coins.
http://coinwik.org/List_of_all_DCs
I am not sure why there is an inconsistency with some being listed as just scrypt and some as POW scrypt but you can see there are a lot.  Then scroll down further and look at the list of X11 coins.  Those can be mined with the D3 which is an X11 algorithm miner.  So one thing worth mentioning is that monetary unit switched from quark to X11 fairly recently and it is accurately listed on there as X11 so it would appear that someone is maintaining the list to some degree.

Thank you no.you for the list of Litecoin compatible currencies using POW Script algorithm.  Since L3+ is designed to mine Litecoin at 504MH/s, lets say can you mine Zcash (also POW Script) using it at 504MH/s?  Is it a safe assumption?
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August 10, 2017, 10:18:30 PM
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has Anyone here experience  buy or sell Antminer on Amazon? Is it easy to return or get returned the miner within 30 days?
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August 10, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
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has Anyone here experience  buy or sell Antminer on Amazon? Is it easy to return or get returned the miner within 30 days?

The last antminer I saw on amazon had a restocking fee of up to 40 percent from the seller. I would generally stay away from online marketplaces because though typically they side with the buyer (you), you'd have a hell of a time proving anything to them since this has become a hot item rich with scams and problems.

But thats just an anecdotal instance from a friend, ymmv. Good luck!

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August 10, 2017, 10:29:02 PM
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Historically... is it possible the September batches will ship early or more likely later than stated? I'm just curious if early shipment has been predominant or late ships.

The D3 being a new product and all - anything can happen. I don't think historic references would help much. Two years ago early S7 batches were delayed for weeks, ended up downclocked etc. S9 last year seemed to have a smoother start. Not sure about L3+, I skipped early batches and the later ones were ok.


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August 10, 2017, 11:05:45 PM
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Any idea why last Aug 3 batch Bitmain originally announced L3+.  At the time of order I could not even add L3+ to order.  Bitmain was so slow 2 am PST.  Any idea why L3+ has such a large demand even though ROI is lot longer than D3?  Why such demand for L3+?

I guess because total hashrate compared to what a L3+ brings is very high and it is much more spread between different coins. So the calculated profitability is much more realistic than that for D3.


What do you mean by L3+ Litecoin hasrate is spread over different coins?  Which coins?

The L3+ is a scrypt algorithm miner so it can mine coins that use the scrypt algorithm.  I am not sure how accurate or complete this list is but if you go here and sort the table by type and then scroll down to POW scrypt you will see a lot of coins.
http://coinwik.org/List_of_all_DCs
I am not sure why there is an inconsistency with some being listed as just scrypt and some as POW scrypt but you can see there are a lot.  Then scroll down further and look at the list of X11 coins.  Those can be mined with the D3 which is an X11 algorithm miner.  So one thing worth mentioning is that monetary unit switched from quark to X11 fairly recently and it is accurately listed on there as X11 so it would appear that someone is maintaining the list to some degree.

Thank you no.you for the list of Litecoin compatible currencies using POW Script algorithm.  Since L3+ is designed to mine Litecoin at 504MH/s, lets say can you mine Zcash (also POW Script) using it at 504MH/s?  Is it a safe assumption?

Ah hell, it does say ZCash is scrypt.  Well fuck that list then.  ZCash is Equihash not scrypt.  If it was scrypt though, then yes the L3+ would be able to mine it at 504Mh/s.  I just googled and found that page and posted it to help respond to your question which is why I said I wasn't sure how accurate it was.  But if you do your research you can find no shortage of scrypt coins.  http://whattomine.com has a reliable list but it is very incomplete.

So for example the L3+ can absolutely mine (among other things including obviously LTC):
DNotes(NOTE)
DGB-Scrypt(DGB)
AUR-Scrypt(AUR)
Bata(BTA)
GameCredits(GAME)
etc...

But since this is actually the D3 thread I should mention that in addition to DASH the D3 can mine:
Startcoin(START)
Smartcoin(SMC)
Prime-XI(PXI)
DigitalPrice(DP)
etc...

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August 10, 2017, 11:29:37 PM
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Does anyone know a ballpark figure for what Bitmain charges per antminer for shipping to the US?  Just want to make sure I leave enough to cover shipping if I'm lucky enough to hit the D3 lottery.
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August 10, 2017, 11:44:16 PM
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How many hours from now before  11AM on 11 August (GMT+8)?? >?
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August 10, 2017, 11:45:19 PM
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How many hours from now before  11AM on 11 August (GMT+8)?? >?

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Does anyone know a ballpark figure for what Bitmain charges per antminer for shipping to the US?  Just want to make sure I leave enough to cover shipping if I'm lucky enough to hit the D3 lottery.

Typically less than $100.

E.g. L3+ via FedEx to Chicago: $60.

UPS and DHL tend to be more expensive, although it might depend on location.

How many hours from now before  11AM on 11 August (GMT+8)?? >?

https://www.google.com/search?q=current+time+in+beijing

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