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April 11, 2018, 02:48:35 PM
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One of the proposed malleability fixes for BCH moves the signature out of the transaction area the exact same way as segwit

Not exact but in a similar manner. In that the signature would be divorced from the transaction data. No more so.

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with the only difference being that on BCH it's just moved permanently

Only difference? Au contraire, my undiscerning friend. The major difference is that none of the BCH malleability fix proposals seek to fundamentally undermine Bitcoin's tried and true security model.

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The only reason bitmain etc do not like segwit is that it blocks their use of covert asicboost

smh. That's just stupid. I've already stated the reasons. The so-called 'asicboost advantage' is lost in the noise. To the extent that it is actually employed, for which there is no evidence for its widespread use.

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there is a block explorer here with blocks found using overt asicboost https://asicboost.dance

Ooooh! Scaaaary! a total of.... nine blocks!

There is no evidence of covert being used maybe because it's covert and it's hidden

Overt is new and currently only supported my the new halong miners and a couple of pools so no there won't be a huge amount of blocks

With segwit you have the option to use the same security model that Bitcoin has used for the last 9 years but with one of the proposed BCH fixes this would completely change the security model for a new system and you would not be able to use the one Bitcoin has used for the last 9 years

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April 11, 2018, 02:57:35 PM
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Bitcoincash, the technology development of this coin is worth looking forward to. Maybe one day it will go beyond bitcoin.

Bitcoin Cash is already beyond Wink

And no, (SW+LN+1MB+noHF+UASF+....)  is not needed at all and is only tech dept injected into already very complicated protocol code base for orig Bitcoin.

Bitcoin Cash is about to make things rather easier for all, Coder, Merchants, Miners, Users.

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April 11, 2018, 03:09:00 PM
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One of the proposed malleability fixes for BCH moves the signature out of the transaction area the exact same way as segwit

Not exact but in a similar manner. In that the signature would be divorced from the transaction data. No more so.

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with the only difference being that on BCH it's just moved permanently

Only difference? Au contraire, my undiscerning friend. The major difference is that none of the BCH malleability fix proposals seek to fundamentally undermine Bitcoin's tried and true security model.

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The only reason bitmain etc do not like segwit is that it blocks their use of covert asicboost

smh. That's just stupid. I've already stated the reasons. The so-called 'asicboost advantage' is lost in the noise. To the extent that it is actually employed, for which there is no evidence for its widespread use.

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there is a block explorer here with blocks found using overt asicboost https://asicboost.dance

Ooooh! Scaaaary! a total of.... nine blocks!

There is no evidence of covert being used maybe because it's covert and it's hidden

So... just trust you that it is widespread? Let alone a significant reason for the adoption of BCH? Sorry, no.

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Overt is new and currently only supported my the new halong miners

False and False.

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With segwit you have the option to use the same security model that Bitcoin has used for the last 9 years

Deluded much? Every segwit transaction relies on a gentlemans' handshake between the miners to interpret what is inherently an anyonecanspend transaction as anything other than an anyonecanspend transaction. Strike number one. Further, segwit removes the necessity for miners to validate all signatures in blocks they build atop in order to make an otherwise-valid block. Strike number two. Further yet, segwit removes the incentive for miners to check the validity of signatures, as that would consume time they might more profitably be spending mining. Strike three - you're out.

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but with one of the proposed BCH fixes this would completely change the security model for a new system and you would not be able to use the one Bitcoin has used for the last 9 years

Tell me which proposed BCH 'fix' and in what manner it changes the Bitcoin security model.

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April 11, 2018, 03:27:14 PM
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this is an interesting project, looking from a roadmap, that I think is very neat and potentially  to succeed in the future, I'm interested in seeing the progress of this thread, and not a bad idea to invest, may be a successful project

Perhaps it is all because you're talking about. And perhaps in the future there will be something that you're talking about. It would be great for the supporters, if in the future the project will not die and will live and thrive. While in this world, everything is possible I guess.


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April 11, 2018, 03:27:39 PM
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There is no evidence of.......



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April 11, 2018, 03:36:15 PM
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this is an interesting project, looking from a roadmap, that I think is very neat and potentially  to succeed in the future, I'm interested in seeing the progress of this thread, and not a bad idea to invest, may be a successful project

Perhaps it is all because you're talking about. And perhaps in the future there will be something that you're talking about. It would be great for the supporters, if in the future the project will not die and will live and thrive. While in this world, everything is possible I guess.
actually no one knows for sure about the future, maybe all that you talk about Bch this can be real but still too many possibilities that can not be guessed .. i also hope so always think positive

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Do you know how to handle Bitcoin Cash from tax perspective? Is it income or more a gift? What do you think?

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BCH has had a serious but going on over the last month first you've some of the community heads openly hot debate
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Do you know how to handle Bitcoin Cash from tax perspective? Is it income or more a gift? What do you think?

No clear statement from the IRS - not like they get the last word anyhow.

I think the closest analogy in more traditional areas would be a corporate spinout - like when hewlett-packard split into HP Inc (HPQ) and Hewlett-Packard Enterprise (HPE). I'm treating it accordingly.

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https://twitter.com/PeterRizun/status/983752297363660800?s=19

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Do you know how to handle Bitcoin Cash from tax perspective? Is it income or more a gift? What do you think?

No clear statement from the IRS - not like they get the last word anyhow.

I think the closest analogy in more traditional areas would be a corporate spinout - like when hewlett-packard split into HP Inc (HPQ) and Hewlett-Packard Enterprise (HPE). I'm treating it accordingly.
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Seems like it is really hard to handle that correctly. Every tax consultant out there is overhelmed with this question...

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April 11, 2018, 10:19:41 PM
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^^^Diversionary tactic #23. When in an argument, you find yourself bereft of any valid counterpoint, introduce a distraction.

Anyone with a campaign ad in their signature -- for an organization with which they are not otherwise affiliated -- is automatically deducted credibility points.

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April 11, 2018, 10:40:03 PM
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^^^Diversionary tactic #23. When in an argument, you find yourself bereft of any valid counterpoint, introduce a distraction.

What argument I provided some facts you responded with some nonsense drivel in a counter attempt
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April 12, 2018, 12:43:56 AM
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tek & his some facts... Grin

I got red trust because i speak the truth....This thread shows why many long term users are being tagged red, ...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2399315.msg24593043#msg24593043 , chk theymos comment.
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How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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April 12, 2018, 01:00:04 AM
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^^^Diversionary tactic #23. When in an argument, you find yourself bereft of any valid counterpoint, introduce a distraction.

What argument I provided some facts you responded with some nonsense drivel in a counter attempt

That's rich. Seems there are four threads you've dropped. Here's the simplest:

but with one of the proposed BCH fixes this would completely change the security model for a new system and you would not be able to use the one Bitcoin has used for the last 9 years

Tell me which proposed BCH 'fix' and in what manner it changes the Bitcoin security model.

After we dispatch that bit of nonsense, we'll move on to the others.

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April 12, 2018, 02:07:27 AM
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At present, 650$will rise to a high pressure level before BCH, and stop 620$before breaking down. It's not very meaningful to break through buying much

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April 12, 2018, 02:24:49 AM
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At present, 650$will rise to a high pressure level before BCH, and stop 620$before breaking down. It's not very meaningful to break through buying much
I see BCH going over $800 and towards the $1k area this week.

I got red trust because i speak the truth....This thread shows why many long term users are being tagged red, ...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2399315.msg24593043#msg24593043 , chk theymos comment.
Bitcoin cash is the real upgrade bitcoin needed, not segwit.btc is no longer what people think it was...https://www.segwetters.org/
How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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April 12, 2018, 02:33:49 AM
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I see BCH going over $800 and towards the $1k area this week.
Interesting! However, would you mind explaining more about which news led you to such positive predictions on price of Bitcoin Cash, please.
Highly appreciate your helps.

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April 12, 2018, 02:54:57 AM
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I see BCH going over $800 and towards the $1k area this week.
Interesting! However, would you mind explaining more about which news led you to such positive predictions on price of Bitcoin Cash, please.
Highly appreciate your helps.
Thanks m8,
sure...check your pm  Smiley

I got red trust because i speak the truth....This thread shows why many long term users are being tagged red, ...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2399315.msg24593043#msg24593043 , chk theymos comment.
Bitcoin cash is the real upgrade bitcoin needed, not segwit.btc is no longer what people think it was...https://www.segwetters.org/
How The Banks Bought Bitcoin  The Lightning Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g&feature=youtu.be&repost= Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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April 12, 2018, 03:26:57 AM
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It would be great if CSW posted here, just to let bch followers know he was reading. He's definitely a polarizing figure, but it's pretty clear to me he was part of the earliest days of Bitcoin development. I think if all the Beatles albums had been released anonymously and someone outed John Lennon like CSW was he would react and come off exactly the same, a bit crusty and argumentative, but with obvious talents. In that scenario if John Lennon said, 'others helped me, but yes, I am responsible for the music of the Beatles', would he be lying, assuming the other 3 members of the band wanted to stay anonymous, or maybe were dead like Kleiman.  

John Lennon was a talented angry dude with poor interpersonal skills, but his heart was in the right place (if you doubt he was a prick checkout what his kids say of him), CSW is the same type of person, heart in the right place but a talented angry wanker with a big ego.
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