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July 13, 2018, 09:04:58 AM
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CryptoIndex is really innovative idea for AI Based Cryptocurrency trading which i think really have great future potential.
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July 13, 2018, 10:31:27 AM
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I love this: https://txstreet.com/ 

See what service is done for you: Shit load of green buses here waiting to service you  - pest practice ! 

BTC clients waiting ( also to pay higher fees) and watching jealously over the street  ...

Carpe diem  -  understand the White Paper and mine honest.
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The simple way is the genius way - in Moore's Law and Satoshi's WP we trust.
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July 13, 2018, 10:45:50 AM
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I love this: https://txstreet.com/ 

See what service is done for you: Shit load of green buses here waiting to service you  - pest practice ! 

BTC clients waiting ( also to pay higher fees) and watching jealously over the street  ...
whether you support BCH more than BTC which can give effect if BTC is up or down unlike BCH which has not give more effect to market
Just asking ?
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July 13, 2018, 10:50:48 AM
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bch is better than btc and truely the only right chain
Jr member with 52 activity gets his first merit point for saying bch is better than btc.....shocking
lol, pump me up to senior member please, bch is wayyyy better than bitcoin, they might co-exist together as each is a unique identity, one is more like peer to peer, the other is like store of value
Who would Roger Ver want to run his bitcointalk thread for bitcoin cash
Who would roger help in the MTGox Hack
Who would roger help in the big block debate
Who would roger help at Cryptsy, Lucky7coin
Who did Roger know at butterfly Labs Asic miners
Who did Roger know in the Silk Road operations under FBI investiagtion,
Why is Roger at the center of it all

Gotta hide the real blockchain hey Roger

Bitcoin thanks

Satoshi's Bitcoin was never about single people - and single people cannot achieve really much.
It was always about the quickest and best supply of global cash in form of a real scarce digital money and best possible security to use it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3378014.msg42014849#msg42014849
Name calling irrelevant

It was always about Trust, the debate is irrelevant




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July 13, 2018, 12:34:53 PM
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bch is better than btc and truely the only right chain

Jr member with 52 activity gets his first merit point for saying bch is better than btc.....shocking

lol, pump me up to senior member please, bch is wayyyy better than bitcoin, they might co-exist together as each is a unique identity, one is more like peer to peer, the other is like store of value


Who would Roger Ver want to run his bitcointalk thread for bitcoin cash
Who would roger help in the MTGox Hack
Who would roger help in the big block debate
Who would roger help at Cryptsy, Lucky7coin
Who did Roger know at butterfly Labs Asic miners
Who did Roger know in the Silk Road operations under FBI investiagtion,
Why is Roger at the center of it all


Gotta hide the real blockchain hey Roger

Bitcoin thanks


All this aside, let’s put some reality into this debate.

I live in Venezuela where central banks have essentially failed. Despite this failure, merchants still have yet to adopt Bitcoin as payment due to fees, some use Bitcoin Cash and this is growing. But for the most part I have to use BTC regardless because localbitcoins is BTC.

If you follow @Dolartoday on twitter you’ll see 1 USD was trading at ~100,000 Bolivars in January to ~3,500,000 Bolivars today. For this reason I have to sell BTC at least 3 days a week. Those fees actually add up to more than my partners medical doctor salary per month.

When I see such irrelevant Roger Ver accusations and much worse idiots like Tone ‘No-brain’ Vays and Jimmy ‘always-wrong’ Song in their stupid cowboy hats trying to hide the fact the fact that they are balding out of Core BTC stress saying things like: ‘bcash is irrelevant,’ and ‘Roger Ver Scam’ LOL Faketoshi and centralization, BitPico H4x0r, only store of value!

You look like fucking idiots denying real world solutions subject to a global population. Look at our population growth and tell me the blocksize increase doesn’t correlate such rapidity. Putforth a half decent argument for once over there on the Core side with more than just baseless accusations and Roger Ver conspiracies.

Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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July 13, 2018, 01:16:05 PM
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bch is better than btc and truely the only right chain
Jr member with 52 activity gets his first merit point for saying bch is better than btc.....shocking
lol, pump me up to senior member please, bch is wayyyy better than bitcoin, they might co-exist together as each is a unique identity, one is more like peer to peer, the other is like store of value

Who would Roger Ver want to run his bitcointalk thread for bitcoin cash
Who would roger help in the MTGox Hack
Who would roger help in the big block debate
Who would roger help at Cryptsy, Lucky7coin
Who did Roger know at butterfly Labs Asic miners
Who did Roger know in the Silk Road operations under FBI investiagtion,
Why is Roger at the center of it all

Gotta hide the real blockchain hey Roger
Bitcoin thanks

All this aside, let’s put some reality into this debate.
I live in Venezuela where central banks have essentially failed. Despite this failure, merchants still have yet to adopt Bitcoin as payment due to fees, some use Bitcoin Cash and this is growing. But for the most part I have to use BTC regardless because localbitcoins is BTC.
If you follow @Dolartoday on twitter you’ll see 1 USD was trading at ~100,000 Bolivars in January to ~3,500,000 Bolivars today. For this reason I have to sell BTC at least 3 days a week. Those fees actually add up to more than my partners medical doctor salary per month.
When I see such irrelevant Roger Ver accusations and much worse idiots like Tone ‘No-brain’ Vays and Jimmy ‘always-wrong’ Song in their stupid cowboy hats trying to hide the fact the fact that they are balding out of Core BTC stress saying things like: ‘bcash is irrelevant,’ and ‘Roger Ver Scam’ LOL Faketoshi and centralization, BitPico H4x0r, only store of value!
You look like fucking idiots denying real world solutions subject to a global population. Look at our population growth and tell me the blocksize increase doesn’t correlate such rapidity. Putforth a half decent argument for once over there on the Core side with more than just baseless accusations and Roger Ver conspiracies.

What has my points got to do with you using Bcash, go ahead not stopping Bcash at all, Bcash away, Just sayin Bcash is not Bitcoin and a reminder leave the Blockchain alone.

.."Put forth a half decent argument for once over there on the Bcash side with more than just baseless accusations and Roger Ver conspiracies."...

I agree

Have you got anything?

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July 13, 2018, 01:24:36 PM
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bch is better than btc and truely the only right chain
Jr member with 52 activity gets his first merit point for saying bch is better than btc.....shocking
lol, pump me up to senior member please, bch is wayyyy better than bitcoin, they might co-exist together as each is a unique identity, one is more like peer to peer, the other is like store of value
Who would Roger Ver want to run his bitcointalk thread for bitcoin cash
Who would roger help in the MTGox Hack
Who would roger help in the big block debate
Who would roger help at Cryptsy, Lucky7coin
Who did Roger know at butterfly Labs Asic miners
Who did Roger know in the Silk Road operations under FBI investiagtion,
Why is Roger at the center of it all

Gotta hide the real blockchain hey Roger

Bitcoin thanks

Satoshi's Bitcoin was never about single people - and single people cannot achieve really much.
It was always about the quickest and best supply of global cash in form of a real scarce digital money and best possible security to use it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3378014.msg42014849#msg42014849
Name calling irrelevant

It was always about Trust, the debate is irrelevant





We agree on that.

What would you think, what 'blockchain' would be good to use to ensure that trust, esp here:

https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/blockchain-can-be-used-to-fight-corruption-increase-transparency-in-govt-projects-4664681.html


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Memo: 1AHUYNJKPfY7PjVK1hNQFo5LrdGixuiybw  -  https://metanet.icu/
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July 13, 2018, 02:00:53 PM
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bch is better than btc and truely the only right chain
Jr member with 52 activity gets his first merit point for saying bch is better than btc.....shocking
lol, pump me up to senior member please, bch is wayyyy better than bitcoin, they might co-exist together as each is a unique identity, one is more like peer to peer, the other is like store of value

Who would Roger Ver want to run his bitcointalk thread for bitcoin cash
Who would roger help in the MTGox Hack
Who would roger help in the big block debate
Who would roger help at Cryptsy, Lucky7coin
Who did Roger know at butterfly Labs Asic miners
Who did Roger know in the Silk Road operations under FBI investiagtion,
Why is Roger at the center of it all

Gotta hide the real blockchain hey Roger
Bitcoin thanks

All this aside, let’s put some reality into this debate.
I live in Venezuela where central banks have essentially failed. Despite this failure, merchants still have yet to adopt Bitcoin as payment due to fees, some use Bitcoin Cash and this is growing. But for the most part I have to use BTC regardless because localbitcoins is BTC.
If you follow @Dolartoday on twitter you’ll see 1 USD was trading at ~100,000 Bolivars in January to ~3,500,000 Bolivars today. For this reason I have to sell BTC at least 3 days a week. Those fees actually add up to more than my partners medical doctor salary per month.
When I see such irrelevant Roger Ver accusations and much worse idiots like Tone ‘No-brain’ Vays and Jimmy ‘always-wrong’ Song in their stupid cowboy hats trying to hide the fact the fact that they are balding out of Core BTC stress saying things like: ‘bcash is irrelevant,’ and ‘Roger Ver Scam’ LOL Faketoshi and centralization, BitPico H4x0r, only store of value!
You look like fucking idiots denying real world solutions subject to a global population. Look at our population growth and tell me the blocksize increase doesn’t correlate such rapidity. Putforth a half decent argument for once over there on the Core side with more than just baseless accusations and Roger Ver conspiracies.

What has my points got to do with you using Bcash, go ahead not stopping Bcash at all, Bcash away, Just sayin Bcash is not Bitcoin and a reminder leave the Blockchain alone.

.."Put forth a half decent argument for once over there on the Bcash side with more than just baseless accusations and Roger Ver conspiracies."...

I agree

Have you got anything?


Did you read past my argument on fees being higher then a doctors salary in Venezuela?

I see you managed to say ‘Bcash’ 5 times in 2 sentences. Further proving my point  Roll Eyes

Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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July 13, 2018, 03:27:33 PM
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Be sure to watch just how stupid this BitPico miner is in this interview with Tone ‘No Brain’ Vays that significantly lowered my IQ after watching. They both openly admit to selling all their Bitcoin Cash right after the fork (at a much lower price). I wonder where their bias came from  Roll Eyes

https://youtu.be/1E2PdpU_2Ik

Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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July 13, 2018, 03:55:34 PM
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Be sure to watch just how stupid this BitPico miner is in this interview with Tone ‘No Brain’ Vays that significantly lowered my IQ after watching. They both openly admit to selling all their Bitcoin Cash right after the fork (at a much lower price). I wonder where their bias came from  Roll Eyes

https://youtu.be/1E2PdpU_2Ik

sorry I could not watch more than the first few bits..  I got BCH inventions to document today Wink

However I am not surprised they sold all their BitCoin after the segwit induced fork.  Seems like justice in the grand scheme of things but now that also means we will be hearing from these trolls for the next few years no doubt as they cry, cry, cry.

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July 13, 2018, 06:17:16 PM
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Fresh money for Bitcoin, but not ripple  Cheesy

http://www.icopdf.com/en/crypto-news/8016/Binance

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July 13, 2018, 06:23:39 PM
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give as some bchcoin 0xd740c820fbf9c7d3e1f27b48444c942d89b01898      Huh  help me to start a life   Cry
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July 13, 2018, 06:26:38 PM
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Nice looking project! I'm intrigued to hear more about it as time goes on. For anyone looking for other great projects to research more about, these might be worthy of your time. None of these have launched yet but I know they will all have very successful campaigns, at least based on their use cases and journeys so far. Some great looking ICOs with a very solid set of foundations and teams are these if you or anyone is interested. The ICOs are Fr8 Network, Muirfield IP, Airstayz, Daostack, and Deedcoin.

Fr8 Network seeks to remove intermediaries from supply chains, specifically the freighting industry, and bring revenue back to carriers and distributors.

Muirfield IP is a private equity firm utilizing blockchain technology.

Airstayz is the first of it's kind, revolutionizing the travel industry with customer and corporate incentives on tokenizing benefits.

Daostack IO is an operating system for collective intelligence. DAOstack powers decentralized companies, funds and markets to make fast and innovative decisions at scale.

Deedcoin is the next generation full-service real estate network at a baseline 1%, by solving the customer acquisition problem for agents.
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July 13, 2018, 06:27:08 PM
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give as some bchcoin 0xd740c820fbf9c7d3e1f27b48444c942d89b01898      Huh  help me to start a life   Cry

Join here for free...https://memo.cash/
share anything...be nice and you will be tipped eventually...
better content=better tips  Smiley
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July 13, 2018, 07:26:31 PM
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<---BFD  now
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July 13, 2018, 07:40:41 PM
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<---BFD  now
congrats. shame about the red tag

THE NEXT 24 YEARS ARE CRITICAL
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<---BFD  now
congrats. shame about the red tag
Thanks. Smiley
btw i actually like the tag...badge of honour  Cheesy and it draws attention to the links below.

Congratulation to Mr. Pump, crypto guru for being a legendary member, best of luck with your investment and looking forward for great news when the bull market return
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July 14, 2018, 12:13:20 PM
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bch is better than btc and truely the only right chain
Jr member with 52 activity gets his first merit point for saying bch is better than btc.....shocking
lol, pump me up to senior member please, bch is wayyyy better than bitcoin, they might co-exist together as each is a unique identity, one is more like peer to peer, the other is like store of value

Who would Roger Ver want to run his bitcointalk thread for bitcoin cash
Who would roger help in the MTGox Hack
Who would roger help in the big block debate
Who would roger help at Cryptsy, Lucky7coin
Who did Roger know at butterfly Labs Asic miners
Who did Roger know in the Silk Road operations under FBI investiagtion,
Why is Roger at the center of it all

Gotta hide the real blockchain hey Roger
Bitcoin thanks

All this aside, let’s put some reality into this debate.
I live in Venezuela where central banks have essentially failed. Despite this failure, merchants still have yet to adopt Bitcoin as payment due to fees, some use Bitcoin Cash and this is growing. But for the most part I have to use BTC regardless because localbitcoins is BTC.
If you follow @Dolartoday on twitter you’ll see 1 USD was trading at ~100,000 Bolivars in January to ~3,500,000 Bolivars today. For this reason I have to sell BTC at least 3 days a week. Those fees actually add up to more than my partners medical doctor salary per month.
When I see such irrelevant Roger Ver accusations and much worse idiots like Tone ‘No-brain’ Vays and Jimmy ‘always-wrong’ Song in their stupid cowboy hats trying to hide the fact the fact that they are balding out of Core BTC stress saying things like: ‘bcash is irrelevant,’ and ‘Roger Ver Scam’ LOL Faketoshi and centralization, BitPico H4x0r, only store of value!
You look like fucking idiots denying real world solutions subject to a global population. Look at our population growth and tell me the blocksize increase doesn’t correlate such rapidity. Putforth a half decent argument for once over there on the Core side with more than just baseless accusations and Roger Ver conspiracies.

What has my points got to do with you using Bcash, go ahead not stopping Bcash at all, Bcash away, Just sayin Bcash is not Bitcoin and a reminder leave the Blockchain alone.

.."Put forth a half decent argument for once over there on the Bcash side with more than just baseless accusations and Roger Ver conspiracies."...

I agree

Have you got anything?

Did you read past my argument on fees being higher then a doctors salary in Venezuela?
I see you managed to say ‘Bcash’ 5 times in 2 sentences. Further proving my point  Roll Eyes

Yes and what point. 



this point might affect your transactions, I hope not, this guy Roger has been screwing with peoples investments for a long time



Nick Szabo once said that "Bitcoin Cash is centralized sockpupptery". Bitpico is now proving it true.

https://twitter.com/bitPico/status/1017514874291843072

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We now understand the centralized nature of #bcash $bch. It is just a UAHF (user activated hard fork) Sybil setup to force the hands of all nodes and miners in the ecosystem. Without this setup @JihanWu & @rogerkver are powerless to control their network. #bitcoin #nodes #matter

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Forcing the decentralized portion of the network to upgrade to a hard fork codebase via a centralized Sybil attack is nonsensical? You do realize a #bcash $bch hard fork is scheduled and they are using these nodes to force the hands of the entire network. #blockchain #ignorance

Roger Ver is always convincing everyone in the community about the "non-mining nodes do not matter" narrative for good reason. Always be cynical if you see someone else saying it in the forum.

Some newbies might not know who is Nick Szabo. Read this, https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/genesis-files-bit-gold-szabo-was-inches-away-inventing-bitcoin/

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July 14, 2018, 05:08:29 PM
Last edit: July 14, 2018, 05:25:50 PM by Bitbobb
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bch is better than btc and truely the only right chain
Jr member with 52 activity gets his first merit point for saying bch is better than btc.....shocking
lol, pump me up to senior member please, bch is wayyyy better than bitcoin, they might co-exist together as each is a unique identity, one is more like peer to peer, the other is like store of value

Who would Roger Ver want to run his bitcointalk thread for bitcoin cash
Who would roger help in the MTGox Hack
Who would roger help in the big block debate
Who would roger help at Cryptsy, Lucky7coin
Who did Roger know at butterfly Labs Asic miners
Who did Roger know in the Silk Road operations under FBI investiagtion,
Why is Roger at the center of it all

Gotta hide the real blockchain hey Roger
Bitcoin thanks

All this aside, let’s put some reality into this debate.
I live in Venezuela where central banks have essentially failed. Despite this failure, merchants still have yet to adopt Bitcoin as payment due to fees, some use Bitcoin Cash and this is growing. But for the most part I have to use BTC regardless because localbitcoins is BTC.
If you follow @Dolartoday on twitter you’ll see 1 USD was trading at ~100,000 Bolivars in January to ~3,500,000 Bolivars today. For this reason I have to sell BTC at least 3 days a week. Those fees actually add up to more than my partners medical doctor salary per month.
When I see such irrelevant Roger Ver accusations and much worse idiots like Tone ‘No-brain’ Vays and Jimmy ‘always-wrong’ Song in their stupid cowboy hats trying to hide the fact the fact that they are balding out of Core BTC stress saying things like: ‘bcash is irrelevant,’ and ‘Roger Ver Scam’ LOL Faketoshi and centralization, BitPico H4x0r, only store of value!
You look like fucking idiots denying real world solutions subject to a global population. Look at our population growth and tell me the blocksize increase doesn’t correlate such rapidity. Putforth a half decent argument for once over there on the Core side with more than just baseless accusations and Roger Ver conspiracies.

What has my points got to do with you using Bcash, go ahead not stopping Bcash at all, Bcash away, Just sayin Bcash is not Bitcoin and a reminder leave the Blockchain alone.

.."Put forth a half decent argument for once over there on the Bcash side with more than just baseless accusations and Roger Ver conspiracies."...

I agree

Have you got anything?

Did you read past my argument on fees being higher then a doctors salary in Venezuela?
I see you managed to say ‘Bcash’ 5 times in 2 sentences. Further proving my point  Roll Eyes

Yes and what point.  



this point might affect your transactions, I hope not, this guy Roger has been screwing with peoples investments for a long time



Nick Szabo once said that "Bitcoin Cash is centralized sockpupptery". Bitpico is now proving it true.

https://twitter.com/bitPico/status/1017514874291843072

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We now understand the centralized nature of #bcash $bch. It is just a UAHF (user activated hard fork) Sybil setup to force the hands of all nodes and miners in the ecosystem. Without this setup @JihanWu & @rogerkver are powerless to control their network. #bitcoin #nodes #matter

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Forcing the decentralized portion of the network to upgrade to a hard fork codebase via a centralized Sybil attack is nonsensical? You do realize a #bcash $bch hard fork is scheduled and they are using these nodes to force the hands of the entire network. #blockchain #ignorance

Roger Ver is always convincing everyone in the community about the "non-mining nodes do not matter" narrative for good reason. Always be cynical if you see someone else saying it in the forum.

Some newbies might not know who is Nick Szabo. Read this, https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/genesis-files-bit-gold-szabo-was-inches-away-inventing-bitcoin/


So much troll here.  Where to begin unpacking??

The core mantra is to "tell a big lie, make it simple and repeat it until everyone believes it." A. Hitler


Frankly, you should be concerned of this plan backfiring.  The readers are not so dumb.  Most of the stuff you have said with any proof is not more that a PR scam designed to trick people who do not know any of the tech.  So the astro-turfing Btc folks can take advantage of their stealing the name bitcoin while they say f* the whitepaper out of the other side of their mouths.  What a strange manner of man you must be if you actually believe both opposing viewpoints as true, no?

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July 14, 2018, 08:44:52 PM
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this guy Roger has been screwing with peoples investments for a long time

What a strange assertion. Did Roger somehow reach out across the network and screw with your investment? What is the mechanism by which he accomplished this nefarious attack?

"Bitcoin Cash is centralized sockpupptery". Bitpico is now proving it true.

https://twitter.com/bitPico/status/1017514874291843072

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We now understand the centralized nature of #bcash $bch. It is just a UAHF (user activated hard fork) Sybil setup to force the hands of all nodes and miners in the ecosystem. Without this setup @JihanWu & @rogerkver are powerless to control their network.

Of course, a fundamental mistake is the errant premise that Bitcoin Cash somehow belongs to Jihan and Roger (see "their network" above).

Another mistake is the odd dogma that non-mining validating entities have any effect on the network itself. The only power such non-mining validating entities have is to isolate themselves from the blockchain being built. Of course, this could be a rough proxy for signaling of preference of economic power. Too bad this signaling is subject to Sybilization into meaninglessness.
 
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Forcing the decentralized portion of the network to upgrade to a hard fork codebase via a centralized Sybil attack is nonsensical? You do realize a #bcash $bch hard fork is scheduled and they are using these nodes to force the hands of the entire network.

BitPico's 'attack' fell flat on its face due to programming errors, and they ignorantly attributed their failure to 'centralization'.
Haha. Nice try.
I'm sure we'll get to the stress test when they learn how to format a valid Bitcoin transaction.

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Curtis Ellis
‏@KarlTheProgrmr
 Jul 12
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Last I saw @bitPico software was unable to create / validate transactions according to BCH rules. They were sending / propagating transactions without the fork ID flag in the sig hash type. Then got blocked from most nodes for not being compliant and claimed centralization.


Curtis Ellis
@KarlTheProgrmr
 Jul 12
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@connolly_dan and I gave them some tips though, so hopefully they will be up and testing our network soon.

Anyone with a campaign ad in their signature -- for an organization with which they are not otherwise affiliated -- is automatically deducted credibility points.

I've been convicted of heresy. Convicted by a mere known extortionist. Read my Trust for details.
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