[ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees

[HostFat]

Meet http://craft.cash  - a “Minecraft on the blockchain”, stored 100% on Bitcoin Cash blockchain and served with Bitdb and Bitsocket.
Created by a developer named “Jt” (He’s not on social media but you can find him in our telegram chatroom)

https://twitter.com/_unwriter/status/1060544667392114689

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[estenity]

they hurry up !

https://cointelegraph.com/news/mining-giant-bitmain-hurries-to-deploy-90-000-s9-antminers-ahead-of-bitcoin-cash-hard-fork

[Mrpumperitis]

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/9vabv7/abc_is_shit_sv_is_shit_and_both_compete_on_being/

Der_Bergmann

Yes, I know. Until there is a block, it will just be a network supporting non mining full node, for what it's worth ... maybe I open my RPI-calls for everybody ... if there is a block and a market, I will accept this coin as the only BCH on my website ...

Im with you m8  

[Mrpumperitis]

Mean while , over at Castle Greyskull 

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/9v8s53/toddler_the_operators_of_the_liquid_sidechain_can/

[operabit]

The two results of BCH hard forks have been listed in Poloniex, I have no idea for this one. BCH continues to make money flow easily and throw it away when it's worthless.

[MarketMagic]

Dump your BCH and buy https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-plus/

[Mrpumperitis]

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/9ve98b/antisplit_wallets_will_result_in_three_different/

If anti-split wallets become the norm it will cause a divergence in price between split and unsplit coins, effectively resulting in three separate prices for BCH:

* one price for coins only valid on the ABC chain

* another price for coins only valid on the SV chain

* a third price for unsplit coins

If most services require unsplit coins, who is going to buy the split coins from the miners? If nobody buys the split coins then what will the miners do?

[Mrpumperitis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqvPJDRm-_0
Why Unified Coin Is Safe On ABC/SV But Not On ETC/ETH
Ryan X. Charles
Published on 8 Nov 2018






Having first hand experience of when, how and why etc was created and the same for BCH...
I can understand why Ryan is thinking the same as what i have been saying recently...

3 BCH versions

1-BCH as it is right now will keep BCH ticker and will remain the closest version to whitepaper.
2 = bchabc will have their coin and new ticker , ctor,dsv and other things will be added and make way for wormhole and more.
3 - bchsv their own coin and new ticker, no ctor,no dsv,no wormhole, led by nchain & csw,lots of patents and other things.

(i could be wrong but afiak this is what is going on)

[Bytem3]

Check out this Bitcoin Cash trading session by Philakone, pretty useful if you are a trader and you wanna learn more and there's singing involved as well

https://coincodex.tv/videos/312/bitcoin-cash-technical-analysis-6-hours-of-trading-tactics

[digiworld1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqvPJDRm-_0
Why Unified Coin Is Safe On ABC/SV But Not On ETC/ETH
Ryan X. Charles
Published on 8 Nov 2018






Having first hand experience of when, how and why etc was created and the same for BCH...
I can understand why Ryan is thinking the same as what i have been saying recently...

3 BCH versions

1-BCH as it is right now will keep BCH ticker and will remain the closest version to whitepaper.
2 = bchabc will have their coin and new ticker , ctor,dsv and other things will be added and make way for wormhole and more.
3 - bchsv their own coin and new ticker, no ctor,no dsv,no wormhole, led by nchain & csw,lots of patents and other things.

(i could be wrong but afiak this is what is going on)

thought people cannot fork from bitcoin cash? who are behind these new forks and how are they different from bitcoin cash?

[Last of the V8s]

you retards are in the msm 

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/11/09/1541786925000/The-unholiest-of-holy-wars---Satoshi--vs--Bitcoin-Jesus--/

[presduterte]

you retards are in the msm 

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/11/09/1541786925000/The-unholiest-of-holy-wars---Satoshi--vs--Bitcoin-Jesus--/

I'm not registering to read the article but the title says it all...

I just don't understand why two grown men with so much money play such twisted con games to achieve even more. Its like, how much is enough? I know you could say the same thing about any modern day robber baron hypercapitalist. Just seems like a bizarre way to spend your time on planet earth.

Anyway I thank their egos for the free entertainment.

[boomboom]

you retards are in the msm  

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/11/09/1541786925000/The-unholiest-of-holy-wars---Satoshi--vs--Bitcoin-Jesus--/

I'm not registering to read the article but the title says it all...

I just don't understand why two grown men with so much money play such twisted con games to achieve even more. Its like, how much is enough? I know you could say the same thing about any modern day robber baron hypercapitalist. Just seems like a bizarre way to spend your time on planet earth.

Anyway I thank their egos for the free entertainment.

It's not a twisted game, this is how the system works, owners of hash get to decide the outcome, they have skin in the game. I think CSW acts like a dick most of the time, but he's 100% correct when it comes to how governance works with PoW, miners vote with their hash.

It would be better if there isn't a fork into 2 coins, this is like a presidential primary, both sides should fight as hard as they can to convince owners of hash to mine using their client on November 15, but once the battle is over the loser should fall in behind the winning side and support them, we're actually all on the same side. A split just destroys the goal of digital scarcity, the hardcap of 21M coins, it strengthens the arguments of the opponents of crypto.

[adaseb]

So it looks like there is a crazy discount of almost 9% on the Bitmex future contract for BCH. Usually these futures have a 1-2% premium, never a discount.

I am guessing that algos don't want to arb this because they would buy the future contract and need to sell BCH on another exchange. They don't want to do this for 2 reasons.

1) They don't get their forked coins after Nov 15

2) If they borrow BCH and sell it, they might have to end up covering BCH ABC and BCH SV.

There is a crazy funding rate even on Bitfinex currently at 0.20% per day and it was 0.48% a few times today even.

[Last of the V8s]

you retards are in the msm  

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/11/09/1541786925000/The-unholiest-of-holy-wars---Satoshi--vs--Bitcoin-Jesus--/

I'm not registering to read the article but the title says it all...

I just don't understand why two grown men with so much money play such twisted con games to achieve even more. Its like, how much is enough? I know you could say the same thing about any modern day robber baron hypercapitalist. Just seems like a bizarre way to spend your time on planet earth.

Anyway I thank their egos for the free entertainment.

It's not a twisted game, this is how the system works, owners of hash get to decide the outcome, they have skin in the game. I think CSW acts like a dick most of the time, but he's 100% correct when it comes to how governance works with PoW, miners vote with their hash.

It would be better if there isn't a fork into 2 coins, this is like a presidential primary, both sides should fight as hard as they can to convince owners of hash to mine using their client on November 15, but once the battle is over the loser should fall in behind the winning side and support them, we're actually all on the same side. A split just destroys the goal of digital scarcity, the hardcap of 21M coins, it strengthens the arguments of the opponents of crypto.

Here's the article archived https://archive.is/7rwQ6 not that it's of much substance.

Hey what's with the pyramid scheme in your signature? Inniative Q?

All the scams making you stupid bro? People get red-tagged for supporting these scams...


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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5065996.0
enlightening thread on the conmen in the bch world

[Last of the V8s]

BTC

post to be deleted when the forum allows

[boomboom]

Here's the article archived https://archive.is/7rwQ6 not that it's of much substance.

Hey what's with the pyramid scheme in your signature? Inniative Q?

All the scams making you stupid bro? People get red-tagged for supporting these scams...

After some research i don't think Initiative Q is a pyramid scheme, they're public people with verifiable experience in payments and academic economics experimenting with viral marketing, they've flipped the 2017 ico roadmap and gone with a free distribution which I respect. They're plan seems to be concentrate on growing awareness using viral fomo to generate signups, and leave the tech details for 1-2 years when some of the scaling problems are solved. This is a smart move imo, much better than an ICO for unproven tech like most of the high flyers from 2017. If the viral fomo ends up with +20 million users, which looks possible, how hard would it be to find devs able to cherry pick the best crypto features from top20 coins in 2 years time?

Back in Jan 2014 NEM were giving away free stakes before they had any tech, you just had to post 'interested' in a thread. Those nem stakes ended up being worth over 1M USD, but many thought it was a joke.

'If enough people come, you can build IT when the time comes, using the best of everything' ... that's better than an ICO paying for 'we'll build it and they will come'

[Last of the V8s]

Here's the article archived https://archive.is/7rwQ6 not that it's of much substance.

Hey what's with the pyramid scheme in your signature? Inniative[sic] Q?

All the scams making you stupid bro? People get red-tagged for supporting these scams...

After some research i don't think Initiative Q is a pyramid scheme, they're public people with verifiable experience in payments and academic economics experimenting with viral marketing, they've flipped the 2017 ico roadmap and gone with a free distribution which I respect. They're[sic] plan seems to be concentrate on growing awareness using viral fomo to generate signups, and leave the tech details for 1-2 years when some of the scaling problems are solved. This is a smart move imo, much better than an ICO for unproven tech like most of the high flyers from 2017. If the viral fomo ends up with +20 million users, which looks possible, how hard would it be to find devs able to cherry pick the best crypto features from top20 coins in 2 years time?

Back in Jan 2014 NEM were giving away free stakes before they had any tech, you just had to post 'interested' in a thread. Those nem stakes ended up being worth over 1M USD, but many thought it was a joke.

'If enough people come, you can build IT when the time comes, using the best of everything' ... that's better than an ICO paying for 'we'll build it and they will come'

Well I respect you for not rising to my ad homs, and I may have been wrong to characterise it exactly as a pyramid scheme. idk/idc

Anyway look the answer to your main question 'how hard would it be to find devs able to cherry pick the best crypto features from top20 coins in 2 years time?' is of course "not very hard". The devs and the best features are all in bitcoin already.

No altcoins have any worthwhile technology that bitcoin doesn't, nor will they have any such thing in 2 years' time. Yes their dollar and/or bitcoin values may skyrocket and there is easy money to be had from them in the short term, but that's not the same as sound money and sound, proven tech, aka Bitcoin.

There is a lot more to counter in what you have put, but can I beg you as my parting shot to reconsider just one part, that there exists an 'academic' discipline called 'economics'. Conjoining these two terms results in an oxymoron. It defies logic, so I wouldn't trust anyone who banks on their experience in such a field.

[adamvp]

Yes, price in short term doesn't equal fundamental value.
And bitcoin fundamental value is  definitely highest

Interesting article about BCH situation:

The Bitcoin Cash civil war: Chain split or consensus?

[boomboom]

Well I respect you for not rising to my ad homs, and I may have been wrong to characterise it exactly as a pyramid scheme. idk/idc

Anyway look the answer to your main question 'how hard would it be to find devs able to cherry pick the best crypto features from top20 coins in 2 years time?' is of course "not very hard". The devs and the best features are all in bitcoin already.

No altcoins have any worthwhile technology that bitcoin doesn't, nor will they have any such thing in 2 years' time. Yes their dollar and/or bitcoin values may skyrocket and there is easy money to be had from them in the short term, but that's not the same as sound money and sound, proven tech, aka Bitcoin.

There is a lot more to counter in what you have put, but can I beg you as my parting shot to reconsider just one part, that there exists an 'academic' discipline called 'economics'. Conjoining these two terms results in an oxymoron. It defies logic, so I wouldn't trust anyone who banks on their experience in such a field.

Time will tell, i see Inititiative Q is reporting well over 2 million signups now so the viral fomo marketing seems to be working. Bitcoin will always have the first mover advantage but there are still many problems to solve. I agree that the majority of alts have very little technical merit, but bitcoin has not achieved much adoption, and the drop from 20k has scared a lot of new entrants, and a free distribution looks pretty good compared to 6.5k per Bitcoin with still a chance we drop below 5k. Crypto insiders have very different psychology compared to all the people who heard about bitcoin in 2017 but are uncertain on what to invest in, Bitcoin looks expensive, Initiative Q is free, so it isn't surprising crypto regulars are calling it a scam, and noobies on facebook are going nuts.

Logically the preferences and actions of the 99.9% of humans who currently don't own any crypto will have a BIG influence on which projects reach mass user adoption, and our current banking system literally creates money from nothing using bank credit, so the possibility that Initiative Q might create money from nothing by signing up millions of noobies who believe they missed the cheap bitcoin but still have a chance with  initiative Q isn't that far fetched.

Sometimes it's better to act based on what you think will happen, not necessarily what you want to happen.