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Author Topic: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees  (Read 698542 times)
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January 05, 2019, 07:41:47 PM
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Damn! this thread is full of controversial post Shocked  the argument is endless in here, how long will this pointless argument go on for?

Until 2 of the following chains are dead: BTC , BCH , BSV .

On the technical front BCH & BSV are Superior to BTC in ONCHAIN Technology. (Higher Transaction Capacity)

Meaning for BTC to hold Market Hype, the btc supporters constantly use propaganda techniques to fool the ignorant.
Which is why you see an insane amount of trolling in this forum.

Any 3rd party offchain scaling claims have always been nonsense, because technically nothing stops any chain from scaling offchain using 3rd parties.

No one has to infect their chain with segwit, as any exchange can provide 3rd party offchain scaling now at price much cheaper and faster and simpler than LN.


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January 05, 2019, 07:47:08 PM
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It's amusing that grin is going to out-cash BCH, using real science instead of dumb parameter fiddling. grin can scale costlessly, and it's also reasonably private like physical cash.

In the far future, I see either a BTC-only ecosystem using various off-chain systems to scale (maybe a grin sidechain), or BTC as digital gold and grin as cash. But there's really no place for BCH's strictly inferior tech.

It would take few more time when this community will learn this what is the real thing in this ecosystem. There is no doubt BTC will remain most popular and the community coin.
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January 06, 2019, 01:16:24 AM
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It's amusing that grin is going to out-cash BCH, using real science instead of dumb parameter fiddling. grin can scale costlessly, and it's also reasonably private like physical cash.

Best wishes for grin. Seriously.

Of course, it is not yet a Bitcoin reality.

In the meanwhile 'dumb parameter fiddling' -- as you so eloquently put it -- would have been the smart choice.

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January 06, 2019, 01:18:49 AM
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roger ver has even sold most of the BCash

I would like to see evidence of that assertion.

If anything I think Ver sold his BTC for BCH, as did CSW sell whatever BTC he had to buy SV.

At least you properly identified your statement as speculative.

Any defense by bitcoin_diamond on their rather stupid statement?

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January 06, 2019, 06:07:46 AM
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In the meanwhile 'dumb parameter fiddling' -- as you so eloquently put it -- would have been the smart choice.

What's your evidence for this statement? BCH transactions aren't exactly on the rise.

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin%20cash-transactions.html

Neither are its popularity, price, utility or adoption.

Meanwhile, BTC transactions have been steadily rising since July:

https://www.blockchain.com/charts/n-transactions

We already have one bitcoin and its doing just fine.
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January 06, 2019, 06:24:16 AM
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We already have one bitcoin and its doing just fine.

That is a falsehood, had BTC actually been doing fine, there would never had been a BCH.

Short term memory ?
$20 & higher transaction fees with days to weeks before transaction were accepted because btc was incapable of meeting ONCHAIN transaction volume.

Also had the BCH Community never split off from BTC,
the segwit so necessary for LN would never have achieved over 35% consensus and thus never activated, as soft forks require 90%.

Without the BCH community coming to life and quit blocking segwit adoption, your precious LN would not have been possible.   Cheesy

* Also who in their right mind considers at over 80% loss in price per bitcoin  , [just fine].  Tongue


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January 06, 2019, 06:40:52 AM
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* Also who in their right mind considers at over 80% loss in price per bitcoin  , [just fine].  

Frankly, I do.

Let's be real. BTC has lost 80% of value because FOMO got ahead of itself and we had a spectacular blowoff top. If you'd have polled even the Bitcoin faithful three years ago as to whether BTC would be comfortably above $3500 at the start of 2019, few would have put money on that notion.

A successive series of blowoff tops may be normal for price discovery for such a radically new form of asset.

So an 80% price drop is noise. It's the market dominance drop that signals danger.

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January 06, 2019, 06:51:44 AM
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* Also who in their right mind considers at over 80% loss in price per bitcoin  , [just fine].  

Frankly, I do.

Let's be real. BTC has lost 80% of value because FOMO got ahead of itself and we had a spectacular blowoff top. If you'd have polled even the Bitcoin faithful three years ago as to whether BTC would be comfortably above $3500 at the start of 2019, few would have put money on that notion.

A successive series of blowoff tops may be normal for price discovery for such a radically new form of asset.

So an 80% price drop is noise. It's the market dominance drop that signals danger.

I am assuming you were in BTC, years before the drop, so it's effect on your finances was not a major issue,
as your entry point provided a large cushion.

For others unlucky enough to join at the high, it was a most unfortunate event and 80% has proven to be intolerable for many of them.

Sorry, 80% losses are never just fine.


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For others unlucky enough to join at the high, it was a most unfortunate event and 80% has proven to be intolerable for many of them.

Sorry, 80% losses are never just fine.

It was a risk assumed by those willing to invest in something up over 1000% in the last 2 years. Despite 2018's heavy decline BTC is still up 320% over the last 2 years, making it one of the best performing asset categories within the same time frame.

Besides, compared to all other cryptocurrencies, BTC is kicking butt. None of your altcoins have performed better.
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January 06, 2019, 08:51:41 AM
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For others unlucky enough to join at the high, it was a most unfortunate event and 80% has proven to be intolerable for many of them.

Sorry, 80% losses are never just fine.

It was a risk assumed by those willing to invest in something up over 1000% in the last 2 years. Despite 2018's heavy decline BTC is still up 320% over the last 2 years, making it one of the best performing asset categories within the same time frame.

Besides, compared to all other cryptocurrencies, BTC is kicking butt. None of your altcoins have performed better.


And yet , it is mostly the BTC miners declaring bankruptcy.
It is kicking the miners butt all the way to the poor house.  Wink

Many Altcoin stakers are able to weather their price drops without declaring bankruptcy.   Smiley
Imagine that. Sustainability , input costs matter.

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January 06, 2019, 09:47:09 AM
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For others unlucky enough to join at the high, it was a most unfortunate event and 80% has proven to be intolerable for many of them.

Sorry, 80% losses are never just fine.

It was a risk assumed by those willing to invest in something up over 1000% in the last 2 years. Despite 2018's heavy decline BTC is still up 320% over the last 2 years, making it one of the best performing asset categories within the same time frame.

Besides, compared to all other cryptocurrencies, BTC is kicking butt. None of your altcoins have performed better.


And yet , it is mostly the BTC miners declaring bankruptcy.
It is kicking the miners butt all the way to the poor house.  Wink

Many Altcoin stakers are able to weather their price drops without declaring bankruptcy.   Smiley
Imagine that. Sustainability , input costs matter.

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I keep proving you wrong, you keep shifting the goalposts. Nobody said anything about BTC miners but you. I don't care about the bankruptcy of BTC miners and I sincerely doubt you do either.

Many altcoin stakers saw the value of their stake plummet 95%... If you want to earn via PoS you have to have a fat share of immovable coins. Not sure where you're going with this...
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January 06, 2019, 10:00:35 AM
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It is time that we value coins for they value and not for especulation only...

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January 06, 2019, 12:22:38 PM
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Very important points which exposes tether usdt backed 1:1
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093768.msg49078541#msg49078541

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January 06, 2019, 04:39:54 PM
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For others unlucky enough to join at the high, it was a most unfortunate event and 80% has proven to be intolerable for many of them.

Sorry, 80% losses are never just fine.

It was a risk assumed by those willing to invest in something up over 1000% in the last 2 years. Despite 2018's heavy decline BTC is still up 320% over the last 2 years, making it one of the best performing asset categories within the same time frame.

Besides, compared to all other cryptocurrencies, BTC is kicking butt. None of your altcoins have performed better.

Kicking butt implies making profit.

Fact is all coins profits are in the shitter right now.

There is no kicking butt, by any coin right now, they all suck!


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January 06, 2019, 04:51:59 PM
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For others unlucky enough to join at the high, it was a most unfortunate event and 80% has proven to be intolerable for many of them.

Sorry, 80% losses are never just fine.

It was a risk assumed by those willing to invest in something up over 1000% in the last 2 years. Despite 2018's heavy decline BTC is still up 320% over the last 2 years, making it one of the best performing asset categories within the same time frame.

Besides, compared to all other cryptocurrencies, BTC is kicking butt. None of your altcoins have performed better.

Kicking butt implies making profit.

Fact is all coins profits are in the shitter right now.

There is no kicking butt, by any coin right now, they all suck!


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The only coins which have done okay for me (in terms of BTC) are DOGE and WAVES - almost all others are way down - hoping for a bullish Janurary
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January 06, 2019, 11:29:49 PM
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Whats the real bitcoin cash ?

 Huh

 I liked bitcoin cash. And in some ways thought of it as the real bitcoin. But Is Bitcoin ABC following Satoshi vision or is Bitcoin satoshi vision following satoshi vision?

I'm actually serious, though having fun with it too. But still. I assume bitcoin ABC is pretty much bitcoin cash? what does it stand for, in a nutshell, I mean apart from onchain scaling. Why did part f the community fork off to make SV? Which is the real deal?  Whats the difference in laymans terms?

I liked bitcoin cash (as I said), but now hold bitcoin cash and bitcoin sv and dont really know which to support or really what the difference is, ideologically speaking
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January 07, 2019, 03:55:36 AM
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For others unlucky enough to join at the high, it was a most unfortunate event and 80% has proven to be intolerable for many of them.

Sorry, 80% losses are never just fine.

It was a risk assumed by those willing to invest in something up over 1000% in the last 2 years. Despite 2018's heavy decline BTC is still up 320% over the last 2 years, making it one of the best performing asset categories within the same time frame.

Besides, compared to all other cryptocurrencies, BTC is kicking butt. None of your altcoins have performed better.

Kicking butt implies making profit.

Fact is all coins profits are in the shitter right now.

Despite 2018's heavy decline BTC is still up 320% over the last 2 years, making it one of the best performing asset categories within the same time frame.

Within a 2 year time frame, it is extremely profitable, moreso than any traditional investment class. You got in late in the game. Like I said before, its on you for deciding to buy into an asset that was already up 1000% in the last year.
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For others unlucky enough to join at the high, it was a most unfortunate event and 80% has proven to be intolerable for many of them.

Sorry, 80% losses are never just fine.

It was a risk assumed by those willing to invest in something up over 1000% in the last 2 years. Despite 2018's heavy decline BTC is still up 320% over the last 2 years, making it one of the best performing asset categories within the same time frame.

Besides, compared to all other cryptocurrencies, BTC is kicking butt. None of your altcoins have performed better.

Kicking butt implies making profit.

Fact is all coins profits are in the shitter right now.

Despite 2018's heavy decline BTC is still up 320% over the last 2 years, making it one of the best performing asset categories within the same time frame.

Within a 2 year time frame, it is extremely profitable, moreso than any traditional investment class. You got in late in the game. Like I said before, its on you for deciding to buy into an asset that was already up 1000% in the last year.



Maybe someone will believe you , if the btc miners quit going bankrupt.   Cheesy
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LOL, maybe you can explain to them why they are not really broke.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

FYI:
Other Assets don't require an ever increasing input cost , just to make sure the asset does not die,
btc requires an ever increasing input costs, more asics, more warehouse space, more cooling , more energy.
BTC is the ultimate shit coin as they have totally given up on increasing their onchain transaction capacity.
Offchain is for devs that are too incompetent to improve a coin.

At least with BCH & BSV their is the potential for the miners to survive with onchain transaction fees,

btc is just pathetic for any real future economic profits, it's best days are behind it.

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January 07, 2019, 08:47:58 AM
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Maybe someone will believe you , if the btc miners quit going bankrupt.   Cheesy
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LOL, maybe you can explain to them why they are not really broke.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

FYI:
Other Assets don't require an ever increasing input cost , just to make sure the asset does not die,
btc requires an ever increasing input costs, more asics, more warehouse space, more cooling , more energy.

Not true. The hash rate decreased significantly over the last 2 months, bringing down mining costs along with it Ergo, you're wrong yet again. Might as well move the goalposts again.

Hmm... Somehow transactions keep getting added to the bitcoin blockchain... Is it ghost miners or... who's doing it exactly?

BTC is the ultimate shit coin as they have totally given up on increasing their onchain transaction capacity.
Offchain is for devs that are too incompetent to improve a coin.

Still the most popular coin by far. You and people like you have been relying on "yeah but things will be different in the future" for over a year now, and what has happened in a year? Not much -- BTC is still the most popular coin, by a long shot. You can be angry at Lightning Network all that you want, it really doesn't matter, just like anything else you have to say.

At least with BCH & BSV their is the potential for the miners to survive with onchain transaction fees,

Transaction fees are just a tiny fragment of the overall block reward. Bitcoin won't stop being mined for another 100 years so I have to ask again, what are you talking about??

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January 07, 2019, 08:49:02 AM
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For others unlucky enough to join at the high, it was a most unfortunate event and 80% has proven to be intolerable for many of them.

Sorry, 80% losses are never just fine.

It was a risk assumed by those willing to invest in something up over 1000% in the last 2 years. Despite 2018's heavy decline BTC is still up 320% over the last 2 years, making it one of the best performing asset categories within the same time frame.

Besides, compared to all other cryptocurrencies, BTC is kicking butt. None of your altcoins have performed better.


And yet , it is mostly the BTC miners declaring bankruptcy.
It is kicking the miners butt all the way to the poor house.  Wink

Many Altcoin stakers are able to weather their price drops without declaring bankruptcy.   Smiley
Imagine that. Sustainability , input costs matter.

 Cool

I keep proving you wrong, you keep shifting the goalposts. Nobody said anything about BTC miners but you. I don't care about the bankruptcy of BTC miners and I sincerely doubt you do either.

Many altcoin stakers saw the value of their stake plummet 95%... If you want to earn via PoS you have to have a fat share of immovable coins. Not sure where you're going with this...

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