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August 25, 2017, 10:50:23 PM
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So US residents are screwed??  I want my coins back too!
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August 25, 2017, 10:56:11 PM
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So US residents are screwed??  I want my coins back too!

I wouldn't necessarily assume that. They referenced Bitfinex's rules in a past update, and it's possible that they just prompt those logging in from US IP addresses to confirm that they aren't residents. Or maybe you need to use a VPN if they restrict IP addresses. They said there are two levels of verification (one is unverified and limits withdrawals). So I would think at least smaller accounts from the US can go unverified and withdraw.
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August 25, 2017, 11:01:58 PM
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Awesome! Its nice to see them keeping their word and doing regular updates.

I knew BTC-e would never cheat their customers. F the Govt!

Like a phoenix rising from the ashes! Many long-awaited questions are being answered today. Although I'm still confused at the 55% amount, given how much value cryptos have gained since the time they gave this allocation. Since they are socializing the loss from crypto holders, the amount should now be higher than 55%.

Anyway, I am pretty blown away by the level of engagement by the admins here. They almost make me believe that the relaunch of the site is going to happen. But I wouldn't get my hopes up too much yet. We'll see what happens at the end of the month.
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August 25, 2017, 11:04:10 PM
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So US residents are screwed??  I want my coins back too!

What else would you expect?

The US government caused the problem in the first place, and doesn't want you to have your coins, else they would not have done what they did. Take it up with them.
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August 25, 2017, 11:15:40 PM
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Will the new service provide services to US residents?
No!

Any thoughts on the implications of this? What will happen to those who were logging in from the USA? Click a box and confirm you aren't a USA resident, like with Bitfinex last year? Actively ban US IP addresses? Pocket the money in the accounts of US customers?

I saw someone asked in the Russian thread and they haven't responded yet. They've been actively responding all day to questions and are online right now, in fact.

No wait, don't panic they didn't say if that applies for new customers or existant ones. I hope they'll clear it out soon, since they said the next week, the investment company will open official channels of information.
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August 25, 2017, 11:17:06 PM
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So US residents are screwed??  I want my coins back too!

What else would you expect?

The US government caused the problem in the first place, and doesn't want you to have your coins, else they would not have done what they did. Take it up with them.

I would expect them to prohibit US customers at least in name (as they should have done a couple years ago and as Bitfinex is also doing now). As for stealing their money? I don't think that's wise. If they target US customers specifically and pocket all their money, the feds will work triple time to take them down again.

I believe that BTC-e is trying to be honorable and do right by their customers, not steal from US users for their government's actions. One of the reasons US folks used BTC-e as an exchange was because of their oppressive, snooping government. They're getting fucked by the US government here just like everyone else. You think BTC-e will fuck them, too?
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August 25, 2017, 11:33:21 PM
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Maybe they'll do like xbtce, either provide non-US proof or send address info for withdrawal.
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August 26, 2017, 12:02:52 AM
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It's a good start, what I want to see is BTC-e have a sustainable exchange again. Firstly so we can trade the tokens to redeem our coins, and secondly because it was a good exchange, and I miss the trollbox.
It may be because I am too paranoid, but I am definitely not going to use BTC-E ever again. I really liked it since they didn't require any verification up front for using their platform, but no way I am going with them anymore.

Sure, from the looks everything seems to be working out well for everyone desperately waiting to get their funds and crypto assets back, but don't forget what their charges are (mainly referring to MtGox theft).

I don't think the US government will let them get away with things so easily, even when BTC-E won't be dealing with US citizens anymore. The US government is like a pit bull ~ once it bites, it won't let go until 'business' is finished.

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August 26, 2017, 01:22:25 AM
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Awesome! Its nice to see them keeping their word and doing regular updates.

I knew BTC-e would never cheat their customers. F the Govt!

Like a phoenix rising from the ashes! Many long-awaited questions are being answered today. Although I'm still confused at the 55% amount, given how much value cryptos have gained since the time they gave this allocation. Since they are socializing the loss from crypto holders, the amount should now be higher than 55%.

Anyway, I am pretty blown away by the level of engagement by the admins here. They almost make me believe that the relaunch of the site is going to happen. But I wouldn't get my hopes up too much yet. We'll see what happens at the end of the month.
They may be planning to pay fiat users BTC, ETH etc on 25th July rate which is a popular demand of fiat users. Maybe that's why the percentage is same.

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August 26, 2017, 05:50:58 AM
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Fantastic!

I have stood by btc-e since day 1 of this fiasco.

I always knew they were THE BEST exchange in the world.

The United States of America is a big problem for all people (and I am not blaming Trump)..  it has been so for MANY YEARS now.  USA is OWNED and CONTROLLED by very corrupt and evil people.
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August 26, 2017, 07:16:04 AM
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So US residents are screwed??  I want my coins back too!

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. At least not yet. It's completely expected that the "new service" wouldn't serve US customers. Keep in mind that they said Tier 1 involves no verification at all. And they said something along the lines that if you were previously verified, that your documents were destroyed. A convenient loophole for previously verified US users. The question is how they plan to enforce this prohibition. As someone mentioned earlier, it could just be prompt where you click "No, I am not a US resident."

So US residents are screwed??  I want my coins back too!

What else would you expect?

The US government caused the problem in the first place, and doesn't want you to have your coins, else they would not have done what they did. Take it up with them.

Someone's salty. Tongue The US government doesn't want you to have your coins, either, wherever you're from. Thankfully, they may not be in a position to do anything about it in this case.
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August 26, 2017, 07:38:27 AM
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where the fuck is mayax?Huh? Roll Eyes
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August 26, 2017, 09:20:33 AM
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They may be planning to pay fiat users BTC, ETH etc on 25th July rate which is a popular demand of fiat users. Maybe that's why the percentage is same.
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I wish this were the case & I think that this would be fair because most fiat holders were only holding fiat by chance and would probably have been in coin if the timing were slightly different.
However I think they propose to set the conversion date once the exchange is up.

"With a balance of 1000 USD, after conversion you will receive 55% in BTC, LTC, ETH (at exchange rate on the day of conversion) and 450 USDET. By this principle all koins and fiates will be converted. "
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August 26, 2017, 09:33:18 AM
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I wish this were the case & I think that this would be fair because most fiat holders were only holding fiat by chance and would probably have been in coin if the timing were slightly different.
However I think they propose to set the conversion date once the exchange is up.

"With a balance of 1000 USD, after conversion you will receive 55% in BTC, LTC, ETH (at exchange rate on the day of conversion) and 450 USDET. By this principle all koins and fiates will be converted. "

It sounds like a reasonable proposal, the first few days of trade will be exciting, I would imagine a lot of people will want to withdraw their 55% in crypto asap out of fear that the exchange may go offline again, however the BTC-e admin sounds pretty serious if they have a legal team and backing from and investor. Didn't see Gox or Cryptsy make an effort to keep going like that.

Trade in the exchange tokens need to do their price discovery. I have seen exchange tokens do very well in the elsewhere. USDET could be a popular hedge like Tether. I will be keen to see how well they trade.
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August 26, 2017, 10:30:56 AM
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I wish this were the case & I think that this would be fair because most fiat holders were only holding fiat by chance and would probably have been in coin if the timing were slightly different.
However I think they propose to set the conversion date once the exchange is up.

"With a balance of 1000 USD, after conversion you will receive 55% in BTC, LTC, ETH (at exchange rate on the day of conversion) and 450 USDET. By this principle all koins and fiates will be converted. "

If not based on value at time of closure, then it should at least be converted as [date of closure] + [date of opening] / 2. This way, both crypto and fiat holders are hedged against the volatility that followed the exchange closure.

Also, can anybody who reads Russian update us on the situation of US customers? Thanks!
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August 26, 2017, 11:01:30 AM
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Paging mayax. We need an update on the prospects for refunds. Kiss

Conversion/loss scenarios not set in stone yet:
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Today we will publish 3 variants of conversion on balance sheets, that everyone could express their opinion.

Sort of unclear what they mean regarding US customers. This response is to 1) the notion that US customers were an order of magnitude more in numbers than those from CIS/Russian-speaking countries and 2) that they should steal US customer funds and give everyone else 100% back:
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Let's do without crazy questions.
We did not work with US users, this was a question answered by him.
Foreign users have about 30% and they will also be paid.

It sounds to me (based on broken Google translate Tongue) like they are going for plausible deniability. "We did not work with US users...... Foreign users...will also be paid."
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August 26, 2017, 11:15:27 AM
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for those who are believing in shit exchangers like BTC-e and in their honesty, that they will give your the funds back or other sci-fi scenarios,   Exmo.com= BTC-e.com   LOL


The BTC-e owners are running other exchangers without problems.

Exmo.com is one of them.

EUROSTYLE ADVISOR LTD  registered btc-e.nz which belongs  BTC-e.com

EUROSTYLE ADVISOR LTD  registered Exmo.com


 btc-e.top redirects to exmo.com now. a while ago, btc-e.top was redirected to btc-e.com

in short, exmo.com = btc-e

so, dear fanatics who sustain BTC-e and their shit stories about a possible come back, stop dreaming and stop shilling. you are doing a big disservice to this e-currency called BTC.

BTC-e owners are OK and they are making money.   LOL
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August 26, 2017, 11:27:50 AM
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BTC-e owners are OK and they are making money.   LOL

If the haircut is 55%, then I think the admins are making good money, and setting up a retirement fund for themselves. Interesting find with Exmo. I suppose it's not conclusive, but it's close enough.

One thing I don't get.... why run BTC-e, and Exmo, and xBTCe, and...?
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August 26, 2017, 11:52:58 AM
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BTC-e owners are OK and they are making money.   LOL

If the haircut is 55%, then I think the admins are making good money, and setting up a retirement fund for themselves. Interesting find with Exmo. I suppose it's not conclusive, but it's close enough.

One thing I don't get.... why run BTC-e, and Exmo, and xBTCe, and...?

it is VERY conclusive. Exmo=BTC-e = xBTCe
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August 26, 2017, 02:39:34 PM
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Yes, if it speaks Russian it's btce.

Reason for the many in between connections are how Russians generally operate: They make use of other people's services much more than in western world.
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