BTC-e hacked ??

[lapcevics]

aawww, I guess your boyfriend left you, and now you hate life, sorry 

On a serious note, we have 3 options,

-they will just go silent and everything is lost
-refund or partial refund
-resuming of btc-e life, somehow

So it's a 66% chance 

[1Referee]

-they will just go silent and everything is lost

I believe that this is the most likely one as it costs zero effort, and they end up with millions in tainted coin funds as bonus. It doesn't matter what they do at this point, they are already being painted off as criminals, so what exactly will change for them in that regard? Nothing.

-refund or partial refund

I can't see them fully refunding everything since we don't know if the servers their hot wallets operate from are compromised by the US government. If you hope for at least any sort of refund, the hope should be pointed at what's sitting in their cold wallets. But then again, we still don't know what BTC-E is going to do with these funds.

-resuming of btc-e life, somehow

That's practically impossible. If they happen to do so, it won't take much time for the US government to chase them down, where after that we'll run into the same drama again. But even if they do end up returning, only a total idiot will make use of an exchange being operated by the same BTC-E staff.

[YesLOST]

That's practically impossible. If they happen to do so, it won't take much time for the US government to chase them down, where after that we'll run into the same drama again. But even if they do end up returning, only a total idiot will make use of an exchange being operated by the same BTC-E staff.

You are so westernized in your thoughts, its really getting awkward. Impossible because the big mighty USA put a picture on a domain? Many countries and individuals give a shit about USA and only because USA says everything is illegal, it doesn't mean it is. If they open up again, I bet 90% of the Russians will use them again. Why USA is imposing sanctions against Russia and Russia isn't bending over?

[YesLOST]

-they will just go silent and everything is lost

I believe that this is the most likely one as it costs zero effort, and they end up with millions in tainted coin funds as bonus. It doesn't matter what they do at this point, they are already being painted off as criminals, so what exactly will change for them in that regard? Nothing.

But well, you understand that we are over this stage already? They did not go silent, you noticed that, right? So, the idea of "btce is stealing the same way like the FBI, then go silent and hide" can be dismissed already.

[deisik]

That's practically impossible. If they happen to do so, it won't take much time for the US government to chase them down, where after that we'll run into the same drama again. But even if they do end up returning, only a total idiot will make use of an exchange being operated by the same BTC-E staff.

You are so westernized in your thoughts, its really getting awkward. Impossible because the big mighty USA put a picture on a domain? Many countries and individuals give a shit about USA and only because USA says everything is illegal, it doesn't mean it is. If they open up again, I bet 90% of the Russians will use them again. Why USA is imposing sanctions against Russia and Russia isn't bending over?

This is not about the ways or styles of thinking

If we are to remain honest, we should accept the fact that the US is effectively controlling the monetary and, more broadly, financial flows around the world (at least, the better part of them). At a time, the train of events got close to cutting Russia itself from the SWIFT international payment system. Right now Russia tries to get itself out of these ties and break away with the payment systems controlled by Uncle Sam. In fact, it is not about using Btc-e again if (when) it restarts (most people will be happy to use it again anyway) but rather how useful it will ever be. As I see it, they could only restart (in any meaningful way) as a cryptocurrency only exchange with no fiat deposits and withdrawals (like Bitfinex had been cut off of the fiat transfer channels in April)

[gnurta]

Even if btc-e decides to return crypto coins to their rightful owners, how can we use these coins? Everyone will stay away from dealing with them to avoid the US prosecution.

[deisik]

Even if btc-e decides to return crypto coins to their rightful owners, how can we use these coins? Everyone will stay away from dealing with them to avoid the US prosecution

I don't quite understand your point

Do you mean to say that we won't be able to send these coins to an exchange (say, to Bitfinex) since they will be sort of tainted? It might make some sense in respect to "regulated" exchanges like Poloniex, though that would mean that the FBI will be giving them the lists of black-listed wallets the coins from which should get confiscated at the earliest opportunity. But what about other exchanges which themselves might be in the crosshair of the FBI? What about mixing these coins via independent and reliable mixers?

[examplens]

aawww, I guess your boyfriend left you, and now you hate life, sorry 

On a serious note, we have 3 options,

-they will just go silent and everything is lost
-refund or partial refund
-resuming of btc-e life, somehow

So it's a 66% chance 

You don't expect btc-e to go back, it is too much damage. No one exchanges is not come back after situations like this.
good things is they say that have database with wallets and accounts, i hope they will get back coins to customers.

[jojo69]

we should accept the fact that the US is effectively controlling the monetary flows around the world

for now

the empire is faltering, we are entering a period fraught with danger...and opportunity

[stompix]

Stop dreaming. BTC-e aint ever coming back.

I think they have proven that they aren't pieces of junk already, unlike some people around here.

They ARE coming back and you can return to the hole you crawled out from one that happens. We will see by the end of month.

What is going to happen at the end of the month?

People who enjoy laughing at the loses are indeed bad but giving hope with no proof no reason nothing is just as bad in my opinion.
So, what will happen, what have they and how have they proven they are not pieces of ... let's say junk as I would have used another word.

[YesLOST]

What is going to happen at the end of the month?

People who enjoy laughing at the loses are indeed bad but giving hope with no proof no reason nothing is just as bad in my opinion.
So, what will happen, what have they and how have they proven they are not pieces of ... let's say junk as I would have used another word.

What do you mean, no proof, no reason, nothing? So you mean the official statements of btce, which we trusted for 6 years, mean nothing? Are you fucking serious?

You understand that we are over this stage already? They did not go silent, you noticed that, right? So, the idea of "btce is stealing the same way like the FBI, then go silent and hide" can be dismissed already.

[stompix]

Official statement? That is your hope right now?
The official statement that claims ...

25 июля 11:00 в дaтa-цeнтp, в кoтopoм былo paзмeщeнo нaшe cepвepнoe oбopyдoвaниe пpишли coтpyдники ФБP и изъяли вce oбopyдoвaниe, нa cepвepax нaxoдилиcь бaзы дaнныx и кoшeльки нaшeгo cepвиca.

1.   Mы cмoгли пoлyчить дocтyп к нaшим бaзaм дaнныx и кoшeлькaм, нa дaнный мoмeнт мы пpoвoдим oцeнкy дaнныx и бaлaнcoв пo кoинaм, этa инфopмaция бyдeт oбнapoдoвaнa дo кoнцa cлeдyющeй нeдeли.

No, I don't trust a word of people who contradict themselves in barely 10 lines of text.

[figmentofmyass]

How pathetic life you must have to find joy in someone's loss, no matter what kind of exchange it was.

Go outside of you mom's basement, enjoy life, it's very short  

little sheep, I don't find joy, I only smile. It's just a choice.

you choose to be stupid, I choose to smile.

this is exactly what the poster above meant by "schadenfreude." you spend your time and energy repeating ad nauseam that everyone here is stupid and deserving of their misfortunes. and you admit that this brings a smile to your face.

maybe those who lose money to exchange takedowns and exit scams do deserve their misfortunes. but what good does it bring you---or anyone else---to waste away your life taking pleasure from this? why not go do something productive with your life? that's what traders on btc-e were doing, and now these traders need to rebuild. can't you find something better to do?

[erk]

If we are to remain honest, we should accept the fact that the US is effectively controlling the monetary and, more broadly, financial flows around the world (at least, the better part of them). At a time, the train of events got close to cutting Russia itself from the SWIFT international payment system. Right now Russia tries to get itself out of these ties and break away with the payment systems controlled by Uncle Sam. In fact, it is not about using Btc-e again if (when) it restarts (most people will be happy to use it again anyway) but rather how useful it will ever be. As I see it, they could only restart (in any meaningful way) as a cryptocurrency only exchange with no fiat deposits and withdrawals (like Bitfinex had been cut off of the fiat transfer channels in April)

What you are describing is the US sliding into Tyranny, look at the Stasi style law enforcement ignoring international boundaries, and you can see the 1930's all over again. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

[mayax]

If we are to remain honest, we should accept the fact that the US is effectively controlling the monetary and, more broadly, financial flows around the world (at least, the better part of them). At a time, the train of events got close to cutting Russia itself from the SWIFT international payment system. Right now Russia tries to get itself out of these ties and break away with the payment systems controlled by Uncle Sam. In fact, it is not about using Btc-e again if (when) it restarts (most people will be happy to use it again anyway) but rather how useful it will ever be. As I see it, they could only restart (in any meaningful way) as a cryptocurrency only exchange with no fiat deposits and withdrawals (like Bitfinex had been cut off of the fiat transfer channels in April)

What you are describing is the US sliding into Tyranny, look at the Stasi style law enforcement ignoring international boundaries, and you can see the 1930's all over again. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

yes, keep using shit(unregulated) exchangers and the history will repeat. you will lose the funds. 

[ToxicDartFrog]

yes, keep using shit(unregulated) exchangers and the history will repeat. you will lose the funds. 

Your logic is terrible and should probably just leave. Funds were not lost due to "unregulated" BTC-e, they were lost BECAUSE of regulators.

In no way is what happened to BTC-e an argument FOR regulation and anyone with a genuine opinion (not agenda-driven fud) knows that.

[squatter]

yes, keep using shit(unregulated) exchangers and the history will repeat. you will lose the funds.  

Your logic is terrible and should probably just leave. Funds were not lost due to "unregulated" BTC-e, they were lost BECAUSE of regulators.

Seems like a chicken-and-egg problem. The US government creates the law and is largely free to enforce it as they please across the world. So in that sense, yes: any exchange that serves US customers without holding MSB licenses and complying with AML law can cause customer funds to be lost. The morality of this is a whole different issue.

In no way is what happened to BTC-e an argument FOR regulation and anyone with a genuine opinion (not agenda-driven fud) knows that.

There are two opposing camps that are diverging further and further apart. The cypherpunks who want to create a decentralized world have no interest in complying with government thugs. Others, like our friend above, are bootlickers, and enjoy seeing law enforcement rob people of their hard-earned money.

[erk]

yes, keep using shit(unregulated) exchangers and the history will repeat. you will lose the funds.  

Your logic is terrible and should probably just leave. Funds were not lost due to "unregulated" BTC-e, they were lost BECAUSE of regulators.

Seems like a chicken-and-egg problem. The US government creates the law and is largely free to enforce it as they please across the world. So in that sense, yes: any exchange that serves US customers without holding MSB licenses and complying with AML law can cause customer funds to be lost. The morality of this is a whole different issue.

In no way is what happened to BTC-e an argument FOR regulation and anyone with a genuine opinion (not agenda-driven fud) knows that.

There are two opposing camps that are diverging further and further apart. The cypherpunks who want to create a decentralized world have no interest in complying with government thugs. Others, like our friend above, are bootlickers, and enjoy seeing law enforcement rob people of their hard-earned money.

It's not unlike the Imperial Storm Troopers in Star Wars inflicting their tyranny on others.
The Cyberpunks are the Rebels.
BTC-e is a Rebel base.

[BitcoinTraveler]

....On a serious note, we have 3 options,

-they will just go silent and everything is lost
-refund or partial refund
-resuming of btc-e life, somehow

So it's a 66% chance 

I think your analysis is logical 

[squatter]

yes, keep using shit(unregulated) exchangers and the history will repeat. you will lose the funds.  

Your logic is terrible and should probably just leave. Funds were not lost due to "unregulated" BTC-e, they were lost BECAUSE of regulators.

Seems like a chicken-and-egg problem. The US government creates the law and is largely free to enforce it as they please across the world. So in that sense, yes: any exchange that serves US customers without holding MSB licenses and complying with AML law can cause customer funds to be lost. The morality of this is a whole different issue.

In no way is what happened to BTC-e an argument FOR regulation and anyone with a genuine opinion (not agenda-driven fud) knows that.

There are two opposing camps that are diverging further and further apart. The cypherpunks who want to create a decentralized world have no interest in complying with government thugs. Others, like our friend above, are bootlickers, and enjoy seeing law enforcement rob people of their hard-earned money.

It's not unlike the Imperial Storm Troopers in Star Wars inflicting their tyranny on others.
The Cyberpunks are the Rebels.
BTC-e is a Rebel base.

In the Star Wars analogy, I agree. If only it were so simple! The fact of the matter is, by targeting the owners with criminal charges, the US authorities have made it much more likely that the owners will disappear with no attempt at relaunching or refunding customers. Any effort they make to repay customers puts them at greater risk. That makes our odds pretty bad.