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May 07, 2018, 07:55:32 AM
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The only huge problem that the team has still to solve is to make this node-stuff an easy and friendly process which everybody can easily setup and not just something for nerds. For example, I could not setup a node on my Windows based PC. I guess, I am not the only one.

I think the priority for nodes is to make sure the system is secure, which based on the number of nodes, it probably is. If windows is deemed less secure than linux, or too difficult for the system to deal with two operating systems, then we probably won't see user-friendly nodes on windows make an appearance.

I actually haven't been able to find any coins that do nodes through windows. It possibly doesn't exist and not sure zencash will look into it separately.

I dont see them using that much of the developers time to make it work easy on Windows. And if you have to invest time in getting it up and running it is more likely the node will stay on for a longer time.
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ZenCash private communication feature is IMO a great idea! Love it!  Wink
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Mining Decentralization




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We value decentralization and our GPU miners who are an integral part of the community.  Changing algorithms is an extremely complex activity and we are not going to rush into a decision that may compromise the safety or integrity of the Zen network. It’s important that we take time to conduct research and evaluate options to properly formulate a plan.

https://blog.zencash.com/mining-decentralization/


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May 07, 2018, 03:21:58 PM
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The only huge problem that the team has still to solve is to make this node-stuff an easy and friendly process which everybody can easily setup and not just something for nerds. For example, I could not setup a node on my Windows based PC. I guess, I am not the only one.

I think the priority for nodes is to make sure the system is secure, which based on the number of nodes, it probably is. If windows is deemed less secure than linux, or too difficult for the system to deal with two operating systems, then we probably won't see user-friendly nodes on windows make an appearance.

I actually haven't been able to find any coins that do nodes through windows. It possibly doesn't exist and not sure zencash will look into it separately.

I dont see them using that much of the developers time to make it work easy on Windows. And if you have to invest time in getting it up and running it is more likely the node will stay on for a longer time.
It is all about security and performance of the network! Windows platform can't compete in this field, and if not done properly it can possible endanger network and node owner. Window is not known as secure system anyway so for it won't find a place in most secure network.

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May 07, 2018, 03:35:26 PM
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The only huge problem that the team has still to solve is to make this node-stuff an easy and friendly process which everybody can easily setup and not just something for nerds. For example, I could not setup a node on my Windows based PC. I guess, I am not the only one.

I think the priority for nodes is to make sure the system is secure, which based on the number of nodes, it probably is. If windows is deemed less secure than linux, or too difficult for the system to deal with two operating systems, then we probably won't see user-friendly nodes on windows make an appearance.

I actually haven't been able to find any coins that do nodes through windows. It possibly doesn't exist and not sure zencash will look into it separately.

I dont see them using that much of the developers time to make it work easy on Windows. And if you have to invest time in getting it up and running it is more likely the node will stay on for a longer time.
It is all about security and performance of the network! Windows platform can't compete in this field, and if not done properly it can possible endanger network and node owner. Window is not known as secure system anyway so for it won't find a place in most secure network.

Yes, these arguments are making sense. And if ZenCash already managed to get 10,000 non-windows nodes, I guess this is most likely the best way to go.

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May 07, 2018, 04:38:33 PM
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Yes, these arguments are making sense. And if ZenCash already managed to get 10,000 non-windows nodes, I guess this is most likely the best way to go.

As I understood the best way is to setup node on cloud service (may be AWS)
Also may be in future ZenCash team or some enthusiasts can provide node setup as a service? So even more people who are not advanced in tech can join

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May 07, 2018, 05:01:37 PM
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where can i find some information regarding nodes?
implementation, number of coins, possible roi

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Secure Nodes  ->
https://zencash.com/securenodes/
Securenode calculator
https://zen.lebre.net/  -  soon this percentage will be changed in to the 10%! Please read white paper.


Super Nodes ->
https://blog.zencash.com/zencash-super-nodes-new-white-paper/
https://zencash.com/assets/files/Zen-Application-Platform-Whitepaper.pdf
Supernode calculator
http://supernodes.lebre.net/

Check this post also!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2047435.msg36367143#msg36367143


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May 07, 2018, 05:04:17 PM
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Yes, these arguments are making sense. And if ZenCash already managed to get 10,000 non-windows nodes, I guess this is most likely the best way to go.

As I understood the best way is to setup node on cloud service (may be AWS)
Also may be in future ZenCash team or some enthusiasts can provide node setup as a service? So even more people who are not advanced in tech can join
We are not far from this, check Discord #Scurenode, ask for help, and you will get proposals.

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May 07, 2018, 05:27:58 PM
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Securenode calculator
https://zen.lebre.net/  -  soon this percentage will be changed in to the 10%! Please read white paper.
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Either this calculator is broke or I am missing something embarrassingly obvious because when I tried inputting 1 secure node at a USD price for ZEN of $40 and a cost to run the VPS of $5US I get a monthly reward of 7560 ZEN...

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Securenode calculator
https://zen.lebre.net/  -  soon this percentage will be changed in to the 10%! Please read white paper.
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Either this calculator is broke or I am missing something embarrassingly obvious because when I tried inputting 1 secure node at a USD price for ZEN of $40 and a cost to run the VPS of $5US I get a monthly reward of 7560 ZEN...

Few examples how you must fill this calculator


Current number of Secure Nodes online you can find here
https://securenodes.na.zensystem.io/

Current price
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/zencash/

More about where to host your Secure Node (VPS recommendations and experiences - VPS price)
https://forum.zencash.com/t/where-are-you-hosting-a-zen-secure-node/709

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Current number of Secure Nodes online you can find here
https://securenodes.na.zensystem.io/
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Right, so it's not the number of secure nodes *I* have, it's the total number of secure nodes in the network. Perhaps the site owner could be persuaded to make that a bit more clear, as it is not at all obvious that is what you are supposed to enter for # of secure nodes.

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Current number of Secure Nodes online you can find here
https://securenodes.na.zensystem.io/
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Right, so it's not the number of secure nodes *I* have, it's the total number of secure nodes in the network. Perhaps the site owner could be persuaded to make that a bit more clear, as it is not at all obvious that is what you are supposed to enter for # of secure nodes.


Exactly this number is number of total nodes online. Result you got is per one node.

I understand this might be confusing, but anyway this will be changed due to changes that will be applied after fork.


I'm quoting this because it is very important information!
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OK I am impressed. I have been a fan of Zen for a while now, but this upcoming transformation is really mind boggling, I have to say. Is there any infos of the time all this transformation will need?


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I thought it would help everyone understand the reasoning behind the change.  The initial estimate was end of May and now it is beginning of July so it is not too big a slip.The hard fork need to be after the  deprecation of the current version as it affects full wallets, nodes, pools and exchanges.
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This fork will implement block reward changes  10% 10% 10% 70% as you can see on first picture.

Full implementation of this application system with Super Nodes is expected to be launched in Q4 of 2018 with a prototype available for testing at the end of Q3.

https://zencash.com/assets/files/Zen-Application-Platform-Whitepaper.pdf

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May 07, 2018, 07:00:34 PM
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We are not far from this, check Discord #Scurenode, ask for help, and you will get proposals.

Thanks, will do it when I have enough Zen for masternode)
Also thanks for posting pictures of calculator - it give the basic idea what people can expect from running secure node.

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May 07, 2018, 08:39:03 PM
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Yes, these arguments are making sense. And if ZenCash already managed to get 10,000 non-windows nodes, I guess this is most likely the best way to go.

As I understood the best way is to setup node on cloud service (may be AWS)
Also may be in future ZenCash team or some enthusiasts can provide node setup as a service? So even more people who are not advanced in tech can join
it's easier to set up a node than install windows 10 Grin
it's not difficult with their tutorial on their blog and you can get a help from them directly on Discord.
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May 08, 2018, 05:36:37 PM
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ZenCash Mandatory Software Upgrade & Staking Date Change



ZenCash rescheduled the date of the next mandatory software upgrade from the end of May to the start of July 2018 to coincide with Zen 2.0.11 deprecation (cease to function).  The mandatory upgrade will include major upgrades and improvements.

The current version of Zen, 2.0.11, will cease to function at block 332576. This will take place on or around June 26, 2018.  All secure node operators will need to complete the upgrade to the new version of Zen software before the deprecation.


https://blog.zencash.com/mandatory-software-upgrade-timeline/

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May 09, 2018, 09:31:10 AM
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Looks like miners will keep getting 88 percent of block reward until july 2018 instead of may! Outside of aligning upgrades, are there any technical issues that are pushing out the timeframes?
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Looks like miners will keep getting 88 percent of block reward until july 2018 instead of may! Outside of aligning upgrades, are there any technical issues that are pushing out the timeframes?
So far there are no technical issues, the project is still in good condition and even better in the future, it's because developers are still focused to see the progress of their projects. It's good for ZEN

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Looks like miners will keep getting 88 percent of block reward until july 2018 instead of may! Outside of aligning upgrades, are there any technical issues that are pushing out the timeframes?
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I thought it would help everyone understand the reasoning behind the change.  The initial estimate was end of May and now it is beginning of July so it is not too big a slip. The hard fork need to be after the  deprecation of the current version as it affects full wallets, nodes, pools and exchanges.
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May 09, 2018, 10:59:37 AM
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ZenCash Mandatory Software Upgrade & Staking Date Change

https://blog.zencash.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/zencash-mandatory-software-update-staking-date-change-1024x683-1024x585.jpg

ZenCash rescheduled the date of the next mandatory software upgrade from the end of May to the start of July 2018 to coincide with Zen 2.0.11 deprecation (cease to function).  The mandatory upgrade will include major upgrades and improvements.

The current version of Zen, 2.0.11, will cease to function at block 332576. This will take place on or around June 26, 2018.  All secure node operators will need to complete the upgrade to the new version of Zen software before the deprecation.


https://blog.zencash.com/mandatory-software-upgrade-timeline/
Thanks for your info
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The only huge problem that the team has still to solve is to make this node-stuff an easy and friendly process which everybody can easily setup and not just something for nerds. For example, I could not setup a node on my Windows based PC. I guess, I am not the only one.

I think the priority for nodes is to make sure the system is secure, which based on the number of nodes, it probably is. If windows is deemed less secure than linux, or too difficult for the system to deal with two operating systems, then we probably won't see user-friendly nodes on windows make an appearance.

I actually haven't been able to find any coins that do nodes through windows. It possibly doesn't exist and not sure zencash will look into it separately.

I dont see them using that much of the developers time to make it work easy on Windows. And if you have to invest time in getting it up and running it is more likely the node will stay on for a longer time.
It is all about security and performance of the network! Windows platform can't compete in this field, and if not done properly it can possible endanger network and node owner. Window is not known as secure system anyway so for it won't find a place in most secure network.

Yes, these arguments are making sense. And if ZenCash already managed to get 10,000 non-windows nodes, I guess this is most likely the best way to go.

I am also on the same boat. I want to create some nodes but i can´t because the the technical language is difficult.
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