[ANN][ZEN] Horizen: Unbounded By Design

[pitt59]

asics are not to be blamed for the network attacks, because the attacker is getting those hash from nicehash and we all know bitmain doesnt sell hash to nicehash that amount of hash has been there on nicehash for a long time, i have yet to see anyone speak against nicehash cause were all pointing to asics but in reality why are the main coins with asic not being attacked, and next thing is we all know that the attacker only rents his hash

i just posted all of this today because zencash just had a 51% attack and the attacker aint done yet, just keep an eye on whattomine on how much hash nicehash has to sell for equihash and it always has more than our total network hash, been looking at it since yesterday and a guy here even posted that its because of asics that this attack happened, lol the amount of gpu on nicehash and there are no asics there, actually bitmain might have done us a favor by mining zcash, probably they have asics on zcash because 3weeks ago that total hash of zcash was just 400 or lower and spiked to 600mhs the other day, probably already testing the asics before they ship it out, but still zencash is in alot of trouble and zcash is actually safer and ironically we have to thank bitmain for that, its because of nicehash(actually the sellers, because if no one is selling hash there we wont have attacks, this goes to other hash sellers also not just nicehash, and dont point your fingers to asics cos there are no asics on nicehash at the moment

in actual we might need those asics now to increase zencash network so we dont get another attack but of course thats not happening especially right now since those asics are gonna be shipped july i think, that gives the attacker 1 more month to exploit nicehash to attack zencash wtf

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[dmwardjr]

Socialist again, sad little kid... The more you comment the dumber/clueless you look. I blame your parents (and Trump).

All you're doing is name calling and shilling for a BITMAIN.  BItmain acts like a communist/socialist dictator over the crypto community.

Your name calling gets you nowhere.  Especially, since you're basically advocating we "trust" BITMAIN to have honorable intentions for the community instead of selfish intensions for themselves.  Which describes what I intend to convey in my previous statement about them acting like a communist/socialist dictator who seeks to deceive those who support them; only to end up showing their true intensions to take advantage of those fooled by their illusion.  They have done this over and over again with other coins they secretly/privately mined.  They do not offer their ASIC for sale until they see it's no longer as profitable to mine with it anymore for themselves -OR- they get wind of a potential fork on the horizon.  

In fact, they took advantage of those with the D3 and X3.  I'm sure the same thing will occur once again with Z9 and Z9 mini.  Meaning, they do not give those who purchased a batch to be shipped at a later date an opportunity for refund before it's shipped.  Especially, when those who purchased it see their investment is on the verge of getting bricked.  BITMAIN, says, "Sorry, but not sorry.  You simply lose."  Not good for business.  

BITMAIN, does not give a damn about "community."  They only care to gratify themselves at the expense of community.

[pitt59]

and you can help stop the 51% attacks were getting now on zencash?

a nwe btc miner 24ths at 2k usd will be for sale tomorow and its not from bitmain im gonna be trying my first asic and you can stick with gpu but im diversifyng and still doesnt change the fact if we change algo those hash from nicehash will still be chasing us and making us vulnerable to network attacks

equihash wouldnt be changing algo if they didnt announce they have a miner for equihash so why did they sell z9 mini if they could have just mined the crap out of zcash and zencash, well at least we know they dont do network attacks, but if they didnt announce the z9 mini were all still mining equihash with 1080ti that uses 3k watts for 10k sols while they will be happy with 300watts and 10k sols so how are they not profitable with z9 mini that they had to sell to us, 1080ti are still a little profitable and if they secretly mine z9 mini on equihash we wont be having this discussion and theyr making shit ton more than us means they actually didnt have to sell the z9 mini if your assumption that they sell miners when its not profitable for them anymore

and no im not telling you to trust bitmain, i simply posted today because ZENCASH WAS 51% ATTACKED A FEW HOURS AGO and it came from rented hash and not from asics which made me think that asics or bitmain isnt the issue with decentralization which in the first thing was the only issue why we dont want asics, but even without asics we have a bigger problem, so if you were to choose, would you choose bitmain asics and pools mining zencash or would you rather let someone rent hash and do 51% attacks and mine every block while we all get zero, choose which devil you can live with

[dmwardjr]

and you can help stop the 51% attacks were getting now on zencash?

The Developers can.  How?  By what's called a "fork."  

I assure you; it was not GPU's that performed a 51% attack.  It was ASIC's and more than likely owned by BITMAIN.

Now we have BITMAIN proxies [Like yourself] trolling social media to spread propaganda and do damage control.  BITMAIN's selfish antics are being revealed to the entire community with every selfish act.

If you wish to say, they will simply invest in more R&D for another ASIC, that's fine and dandy.  However, any attempts to do so for private/secret mining in the future will be futile.  The community will be more diligent to monitor the network hash rate in correlation with speculative price to discourage vain attempts to gratify self at the expense of community again.

If ZEN and others adopt and/or create POW algorithms that render ASIC's and FPGA's on an even keel with GPU's similar to PROG Proof of Work, this would put an end to vain attempts by BITMAIN and others to gratify themselves at the expense of community.

BITMAIN has lost their edge in SHA-256 and are simply looking for another algorithm to regain that edge.

[pitt59]

lol you think im a bitmain rep, you must be outa your mind, i was mining equihash since last year, look into btcz i had been there since they started, and why dont you talk about the 51% attack we had and probably were still gonna have cos nicehash has alot more hash than zencash total net hash

lol you thnk gpu didnt do the attack on zencash? its already a fact that the attacker rented his hash and you think there are asics now on nicehash thats selling equihash? lol you must be dreaming man

[dmwardjr]

lol you think im a bitmain rep, you must be outa your mind, i was mining equihash since last year, look into btcz i had been there since they started, and why dont you talk about the 51% attack we had and probably were still gonna have cos nicehash has alot more hash than zencash total net hash

Again, you put words in my mouth.

There is a difference between a "rep" and a "SHILL"

I called you a, 'Bitmain Shill."  Remember?  

I've already mentioned in posts past my opinion of the 51% attack.

Does this ring a bell:

Suppose it's only a coincidence these 51% attacks occur on coins that:

#1:  Declared they will fork away from ASIC's.
#2:  All within a short time after CONFIRMING they will fork away from ASIC's.
#3:  BITMAIN has a "motive" to implement a 51% attack based on developers of Equihash coins making a declaration they will fork.
#4:  The fact that BITMAIN revealed they have a Z9 (not "mini") proves it would be VERY easy to implement a 51% attack.  Which would ALSO prove they have mined with them for quite some time.

By you coming on here with your comment as a NEW ACCOUNT only suggests to me you're part of a FALSE FLAG 51% attack.  Meaning, BITMAIN implements the 51% attack then sends proxy accounts out on social media to say we need their ASIC's to protect coins from attacks while they were the ones implementing the attacks all along.  We're NOT stupid.  Tell it to someone who's new to mining and doesn't know any better.

Once these coins are forked, we'll see BITMAIN LIED to Zooko in regards to not private/secret mining AND about not having a larger Equihash rig that's been mining for a LONG time.  Hell, it's quite obvious they had the Z9 (not mini) BEFORE announcing their Z9 mini for sale.  

How will we see BITMAIN lied?  Once everyone notes how much the network hash rate drops.  Especially, if ZEC actually forks and we witness their hash rate drop.  BITMAIN, currently has their hash rate distributed somewhat equally among BTG, ZEN, BCP and ZEC.

[lusa]

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Thanks

[pitt59]

lol you think im a bitmain rep, you must be outa your mind, i was mining equihash since last year, look into btcz i had been there since they started, and why dont you talk about the 51% attack we had and probably were still gonna have cos nicehash has alot more hash than zencash total net hash

Again, you put words in my mouth.

There is a difference between a "rep" and a "SHILL"

I called you a, 'Shill."  Remember?   

and your just a clown thinking that we were attacked by asics, its already a fact its from rented hash, do you know of anybody who has an equihash asic selling theyr hash to nicehash or mining rig rental?

your just closed to the idea we have problems bigger than asics or bitmain, you styill have not chosen which devil you will live with because both these devils are here already 1 is bitmain asics thats gonna be arriving in a month or the current situation zencash netowrk is being attacked, so i would assume based on your response that your only hitting bitmain and not nicehash or people selling hash there that your completely fine with the attacker doing 51% attacks on zencash network?

[dmwardjr]

and your just a clown thinking that we were attacked by asics, its already a fact its from rented hash, do you know of anybody who has an equihash asic selling theyr hash to nicehash or mining rig rental?

your just closed to the idea we have problems bigger than asics or bitmain, you styill have not chosen which devil you will live with because both these devils are here already 1 is bitmain asics thats gonna be arriving in a month or the current situation zencash netowrk is being attacked, so i would assume based on your response that your only hitting bitmain and not nicehash or people selling hash there that your completely fine with the attacker doing 51% attacks on zencash network?

Notice, you said, "WHICH DEVIL..."  Let's deal with one devil at a time how about it?  The worst devil at the moment is BITMAIN (ASIC'S).  PERIOD...

Suppose it's only a coincidence these 51% attacks occur on coins that:

#1:  Declared they will fork away from ASIC's.
#2:  All within a short time after CONFIRMING they will fork away from ASIC's.
#3:  BITMAIN has a "motive" to implement a 51% attack based on developers of Equihash coins making a declaration they will fork.
#4:  The fact that BITMAIN revealed they have a Z9 (not "mini") proves it would be VERY easy to implement a 51% attack.  Which would ALSO prove they have mined with them for quite some time.

By you coming on here with your comment as a NEW ACCOUNT only suggests to me you're part of a FALSE FLAG 51% attack.  Meaning, BITMAIN implements the 51% attack then sends proxy accounts out on social media to say we need their ASIC's to protect coins from attacks while they were the ones implementing the attacks all along.  We're NOT stupid.  Tell it to someone who's new to mining and doesn't know any better.

Once these coins are forked, we'll see BITMAIN LIED to Zooko in regards to not private/secret mining AND about not having a larger Equihash rig that's been mining for a LONG time.  Hell, it's quite obvious they had the Z9 (not mini) BEFORE announcing their Z9 mini for sale.  

How will we see BITMAIN lied?  Once everyone notes how much the network hash rate drops.  Especially, if ZEC actually forks and we witness their hash rate drop.  BITMAIN, currently has their hash rate distributed somewhat equally among BTG, ZEN, BCP and ZEC.

[pitt59]

lol you think im a bitmain rep, you must be outa your mind, i was mining equihash since last year, look into btcz i had been there since they started, and why dont you talk about the 51% attack we had and probably were still gonna have cos nicehash has alot more hash than zencash total net hash

Again, you put words in my mouth.

There is a difference between a "rep" and a "SHILL"

I called you a, 'Bitmain Shill."  Remember?  

I've already mentioned in posts past my opinion of the 51% attack.

Does this ring a bell:

Suppose it's only a coincidence these 51% attacks occur on coins that:

#1:  Declared they will fork away from ASIC's.
#2:  All within a short time after CONFIRMING they will fork away from ASIC's.
#3:  BITMAIN has a "motive" to implement a 51% attack based on developers of Equihash coins making a declaration they will fork.
#4:  The fact that BITMAIN revealed they have a Z9 (not "mini") proves it would be VERY easy to implement a 51% attack.  Which would ALSO prove they have mined with them for quite some time.

By you coming on here with your comment as a NEW ACCOUNT only suggests to me you're part of a FALSE FLAG 51% attack.  Meaning, BITMAIN implements the 51% attack then sends proxy accounts out on social media to say we need their ASIC's to protect coins from attacks while they were the ones implementing the attacks all along.  We're NOT stupid.  Tell it to someone who's new to mining and doesn't know any better.

Once these coins are forked, we'll see BITMAIN LIED to Zooko in regards to not private/secret mining AND about not having a larger Equihash rig that's been mining for a LONG time.  Hell, it's quite obvious they had the Z9 (not mini) BEFORE announcing their Z9 mini for sale.  

How will we see BITMAIN lied?  Once everyone notes how much the network hash rate drops.  Especially, if ZEC actually forks and we witness their hash rate drop.  BITMAIN, currently has their hash rate distributed somewhat equally among BTG, ZEN, BCP and ZEC.

like i said i dont give a shit about the fork i dont have a z9 mini, but that does not change the fact that asics help secure the network, and that doesnt change the fact zencash has been attacked and will be attacked even with an algo change, you even think what those hash on nicehash is gonna be doing, its also a fact its begger than our network hash

[dmwardjr]

like i said i dont give a shit about the fork i dont have a z9 mini, but that does not change the fact that asics help secure the network, and that doesnt change the fact zencash has been attacked and will be attacked even with an algo change, you even think what those hash on nicehash is gonna be doing, its also a fact its begger than our network hash

It's obvious you don't give a &#%@.  You're too busy shilling for Bitmain.  Remember, one devil at a time...

Suppose it's only a coincidence these 51% attacks occur on coins that:

#1:  Declared they will fork away from ASIC's.
#2:  All within a short time after CONFIRMING they will fork away from ASIC's.
#3:  BITMAIN has a "motive" to implement a 51% attack based on developers of Equihash coins making a declaration they will fork.
#4:  The fact that BITMAIN revealed they have a Z9 (not "mini") proves it would be VERY easy to implement a 51% attack.  Which would ALSO prove they have mined with them for quite some time.

By you coming on here with your comment as a NEW ACCOUNT only suggests to me you're part of a FALSE FLAG 51% attack.  Meaning, BITMAIN implements the 51% attack then sends proxy accounts out on social media to say we need their ASIC's to protect coins from attacks while they were the ones implementing the attacks all along.  We're NOT stupid.  Tell it to someone who's new to mining and doesn't know any better.

Once these coins are forked, we'll see BITMAIN LIED to Zooko in regards to not private/secret mining AND about not having a larger Equihash rig that's been mining for a LONG time.  Hell, it's quite obvious they had the Z9 (not mini) BEFORE announcing their Z9 mini for sale.  

How will we see BITMAIN lied?  Once everyone notes how much the network hash rate drops.  Especially, if ZEC actually forks and we witness their hash rate drop.  BITMAIN, currently has their hash rate distributed somewhat equally among BTG, ZEN, BCP and ZEC.

[pitt59]

and your just a clown thinking that we were attacked by asics, its already a fact its from rented hash, do you know of anybody who has an equihash asic selling theyr hash to nicehash or mining rig rental?

your just closed to the idea we have problems bigger than asics or bitmain, you styill have not chosen which devil you will live with because both these devils are here already 1 is bitmain asics thats gonna be arriving in a month or the current situation zencash netowrk is being attacked, so i would assume based on your response that your only hitting bitmain and not nicehash or people selling hash there that your completely fine with the attacker doing 51% attacks on zencash network?

Notice, you said, "WHICH DEVIL..."  Let's deal with one devil at a time how about it?  The worst devil at the moment is BITMAIN (ASIC'S).  PERIOD...

Suppose it's only a coincidence these 51% attacks occur on coins that:

#1:  Declared they will fork away from ASIC's.
#2:  All within a short time after CONFIRMING they will fork away from ASIC's.
#3:  BITMAIN has a "motive" to implement a 51% attack based on developers of Equihash coins making a declaration they will fork.
#4:  The fact that BITMAIN revealed they have a Z9 (not "mini") proves it would be VERY easy to implement a 51% attack.  Which would ALSO prove they have mined with them for quite some time.

By you coming on here with your comment as a NEW ACCOUNT only suggests to me you're part of a FALSE FLAG 51% attack.  Meaning, BITMAIN implements the 51% attack then sends proxy accounts out on social media to say we need their ASIC's to protect coins from attacks while they were the ones implementing the attacks all along.  We're NOT stupid.  Tell it to someone who's new to mining and doesn't know any better.

Once these coins are forked, we'll see BITMAIN LIED to Zooko in regards to not private/secret mining AND about not having a larger Equihash rig that's been mining for a LONG time.  Hell, it's quite obvious they had the Z9 (not mini) BEFORE announcing their Z9 mini for sale.  

How will we see BITMAIN lied?  Once everyone notes how much the network hash rate drops.  Especially, if ZEC actually forks and we witness their hash rate drop.  BITMAIN, currently has their hash rate distributed somewhat equally among BTG, ZEN, BCP and ZEC.

so your completely fine with zencash being 51% attacked cuase you just did say bitmain is the worst devil compared to the network attacks were getting?? wow dude your gpu aint gonna be mining any coin if the attacker keeps attacking so lets fork away from asics and let 51% attacks happen, are youaware of of what 51% attack is? and lol you say im a new account how about looking when i registered cause ive been here since last year

[dmwardjr]

so your completely fine with zencash being 51% attacked cuase you just did say bitmain is the worst devil compared to the network attacks were getting?? wow dude your gpu aint gonna be mining any coin if the attacker keeps attacking so lets fork away from asics and let 51% attacks happen, are youaware of of what 51% attack is? and lol you say im a new account how about looking when i registered cause ive been here since last year

So, you can continue to ignore BITMAIN has "motive" for that 51% attack?  Much more so than a pool.

[pitt59]

like i said i dont give a shit about the fork i dont have a z9 mini, but that does not change the fact that asics help secure the network, and that doesnt change the fact zencash has been attacked and will be attacked even with an algo change, you even think what those hash on nicehash is gonna be doing, its also a fact its begger than our network hash

It's obvious you don't give a &#%@.  You're too busy shilling for Bitmain.  Remember, one devil at a time...

Suppose it's only a coincidence these 51% attacks occur on coins that:

#1:  Declared they will fork away from ASIC's.
#2:  All within a short time after CONFIRMING they will fork away from ASIC's.
#3:  BITMAIN has a "motive" to implement a 51% attack based on developers of Equihash coins making a declaration they will fork.
#4:  The fact that BITMAIN revealed they have a Z9 (not "mini") proves it would be VERY easy to implement a 51% attack.  Which would ALSO prove they have mined with them for quite some time.

By you coming on here with your comment as a NEW ACCOUNT only suggests to me you're part of a FALSE FLAG 51% attack.  Meaning, BITMAIN implements the 51% attack then sends proxy accounts out on social media to say we need their ASIC's to protect coins from attacks while they were the ones implementing the attacks all along.  We're NOT stupid.  Tell it to someone who's new to mining and doesn't know any better.

Once these coins are forked, we'll see BITMAIN LIED to Zooko in regards to not private/secret mining AND about not having a larger Equihash rig that's been mining for a LONG time.  Hell, it's quite obvious they had the Z9 (not mini) BEFORE announcing their Z9 mini for sale.  

How will we see BITMAIN lied?  Once everyone notes how much the network hash rate drops.  Especially, if ZEC actually forks and we witness their hash rate drop.  BITMAIN, currently has their hash rate distributed somewhat equally among BTG, ZEN, BCP and ZEC.

nope we have 2 devils right now and its here and is a fact, so the question is who do you deal with first bitmain or the network attacks but you already answered that bitmain is the worst devil right so ya i get it and everyone here gets it that your fine with the network attacks, LOL

[dmwardjr]

nope we have 2 devils right now and its here and is a fact, so the question is who do you deal with first bitmain or the network attacks but you already answered that bitmain is the worst devil right so ya i get it and everyone here gets it that your fine with the network attacks, LOL

You can continue to ignore BITMAIN has "motive" for that 51% attack?  Much more so than a pool.

You continue to ignore it was not the pool who attacked but it was the pool who reported to Rob a potential attack was underway.  Rob then advised the pools to raise confirmations.

[dmwardjr]

MedaR,

Not sure if you are self moderating...

Feel free to delete these posts of mine and this other guys posts who is trolling; saying the same thing over and over again with no "support" for what he's saying.

[pitt59]

lol i did my reaearch bitmain mines the main coin only and they dont sell hash to nicehash, so who rented the hash from nicehash? those attacks on verge and btg came also i dont know if bitmain has asics for lyra but i think they dont have, you really think bitmain rented hash on nicehash to do attacks while they can just do it with theyr own miners, if bitmain didnt announce that they have an equihash miner already they could have done the attacks and not rent hash, i already did the computation 8k units of z9 mini is 80mhs and is only 16m srp if bitmain didnt sell those they just write off 16m usd on theyr books and they could have just religously done the network attacks if they were the ones doing it, have you gotten your facts already that the attacker used rented hash to attack the network?

probably lets talk tomorow or ill wait for the nxt attack then we can talk and see which devil your better with because you cant run away from the attacker or that asics are coming whether we fork or not, you even said that they were mining with z9 for a long time already, so we change algo they crakc it again but theyr gonna be smarter and not sell those asics to public and when that happens can you guess that there are asics on our new algo?

[dmwardjr]

lol

You're not worth my valuable time.

You continue to ignore it was not the pool who attacked but it was the pool who reported to Rob a potential attack was underway.  Rob then advised the pools to raise confirmations.

IGNORED...

[pitt59]

MedaR,

Not sure if you are self moderating...

Feel free to delete these posts of mine and this other guys posts who is trolling; saying the same thing over and over again with no "support" for what he's saying.

these guy talks about comunism and here he is being a dictator muting my freedom of opinion, he wants to delete my posts fro what? arent you acting like a dictator and talking about decentralization on other hand, your probably just dictating what you want to happen and not really for the sake of decentralization

you just showed your true color your just a dictator wanna be

[dmwardjr]

MedaR,

Not sure if you are self moderating...

Feel free to delete these posts of mine and this other guys posts who is trolling; saying the same thing over and over again with no "support" for what he's saying.

these guy talks about comunism and here he is being a dictator muting my freedom of opinion, he wants to delete my posts fro what? arent you acting like a dictator and talking about decentralization on other hand, your probably just dictating what you want to happen and not really for the sake of decentralization

you just showed your true color your just a dictator wanna be

And another BITMAIN troll "ignored."

They're coming out now to shill, fella's.  They're getting pissed because they see their precious Z9 mini to be delivered August/September might be a brick by the time it arrives.  

Go ahead...  It's your reputation...

IGNORED...  

By the way... I'm NOT suppressing your freedom of speech.  You can speak all you like.  There is NOTHING unethical or immoral about me IGNORING YOU.  I have the freedom to IGNORE just as much as you have the freedom to SPEAK.

Also, I'm referring to MedaR deleting REPETITIVE POSTS.  Not all of them.  ONLY posts that constantly repeat the same thing.