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May 14, 2013, 03:47:28 PM
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Can we just stop with these BS announcements?  You have nothing to sell right now.  When you do, start an auction or sale and people will buy from you.  No promotion is necessary in this market.  We will come to YOU. 

Or, just develop it and mine yourself.  Every preorder or announcement is a scam until proven otherwise.  You are no different.
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May 14, 2013, 04:25:32 PM
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I love chips. Bet you can't have just one.

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May 14, 2013, 09:27:13 PM
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What I know at the moment:  0,18u-0,13u (180nm-130nm) with less than $250k (ASIC development $150k, shattle first test (50 chips) - $40k, chip assembling and final testing $40k)
Development could take 3-4 months, maybe 5.

Altera HardCopy?
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May 14, 2013, 09:29:08 PM
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What I know at the moment:  0,18u-0,13u (180nm-130nm) with less than $250k (ASIC development $150k, shattle first test (50 chips) - $40k, chip assembling and final testing $40k)
Development could take 3-4 months, maybe 5.

Altera HardCopy?

I wonder why people didn't try this earlier.  Their NRE is more like $750k though.
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May 15, 2013, 03:39:55 AM
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Mr. funnow,

Go develop your chip. You will know when it's time if you're going to make money or not, or if you just end up helping the network.

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May 17, 2013, 03:59:17 AM
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Mr. funnow,

Go develop your chip. You will know when it's time if you're going to make money or not, or if you just end up helping the network.

Timing, speed and quality is important. We don't care if it is 28nm or 80nm or 110nm...
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May 17, 2013, 09:04:57 AM
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What I know at the moment:  0,18u-0,13u (180nm-130nm) with less than $250k (ASIC development $150k, shattle first test (50 chips) - $40k, chip assembling and final testing $40k)
Development could take 3-4 months, maybe 5.

Altera HardCopy?

I wonder why people didn't try this earlier.  Their NRE is more like $750k though.

Altera claim the NRE can be as low as $165k for 130nm HardCopy Stratix devices, even they don't recommend it for new designs:

http://www.altera.com/products/devices/hardcopy-asics/about/migration/hrd-migration.html

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May 17, 2013, 09:13:43 AM
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What I know at the moment:  0,18u-0,13u (180nm-130nm) with less than $250k (ASIC development $150k, shattle first test (50 chips) - $40k, chip assembling and final testing $40k)
Development could take 3-4 months, maybe 5.

Altera HardCopy?

I wonder why people didn't try this earlier.  Their NRE is more like $750k though.

Altera claim the NRE can be as low as $165k for 130nm HardCopy Stratix devices, even they don't recommend it for new designs:

http://www.altera.com/products/devices/hardcopy-asics/about/migration/hrd-migration.html



You mean the whole package to design, testing including the NRC and other expenses to produce a working bitcoin asic chip? How long would it takes to produce them? 3 months? or shorter time frame?


" You get production devices in approximately 20 weeks " about 5 months? But this is only a prototype working model of the chip and board itself.. how much would be the chip, pcb and labor to produced them? Chips size will be big and power consumption high ..though
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May 17, 2013, 10:35:50 AM
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What I know at the moment:  0,18u-0,13u (180nm-130nm) with less than $250k (ASIC development $150k, shattle first test (50 chips) - $40k, chip assembling and final testing $40k)
Development could take 3-4 months, maybe 5.

Altera HardCopy?

I wonder why people didn't try this earlier.  Their NRE is more like $750k though.

Altera claim the NRE can be as low as $165k for 130nm HardCopy Stratix devices, even they don't recommend it for new designs:

http://www.altera.com/products/devices/hardcopy-asics/about/migration/hrd-migration.html



You mean the whole package to design, testing including the NRC and other expenses to produce a working bitcoin asic chip? How long would it takes to produce them? 3 months? or shorter time frame?


I was just talking about the NRE.
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May 19, 2013, 01:54:25 PM
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Some news:
- escrow only
- only orders when items will be ready and ready to ship
- yeah we are thinking about Altera Hardcopy
- as I mentioned, EU based team at the moment

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May 19, 2013, 05:33:59 PM
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In the chip business, only the first three (with large margin) and the ones with lower and lower cost (lower margin too) could survive.
I don't recommend hardcopy or something like that which is not possible to win in the competition of cost/performance, especially if you are not within the first three, which is obvious now.
Try to invest some serious time and effort to develop the one with lower power or faster speed at a reasonable cost, which might guarantee its success with the improved chip version from the first three.
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May 19, 2013, 05:55:32 PM
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Well, you might not have to worry about competing on price or power performance if it's close.  What is really needed is an ASIC company with good customer service that can ship units at the time of order.  I think people are tired of waiting in queues to get stuff.  They want to place an order and get their item. 

And there is no guarantee that five months from now the situation will be any better with the current three companies selling hardware.

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May 19, 2013, 07:20:42 PM
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We have money. So we don't need anymore.

You are off to a bad start already. Nice.

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May 20, 2013, 03:38:19 PM
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We have money. So we don't need anymore.

You are off to a bad start already. Nice.
We even didn't made any start attemp. So there is no bad start.
It was just the answer for a picture posted by a member.
For funding the project we don't need money, so is why I have posted We have money. So we don't need anymore.
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May 20, 2013, 03:47:03 PM
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As I mention, I'm starting a new topic, because it's a project nearly from scratch.
News will be posted here. Website will be online in about 4 weeks. We are thinking about project name.
So keep reading news.

Looking forward to reading the news Smiley
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May 20, 2013, 03:57:44 PM
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You are too late to the ASIC game. There are at least three companies that have ASICs developed already, and you are a fool if you think those three companies aren't working on improved versions (well, maybe not BFL, lol).

That's A LOT of competition and developing an ASIC takes a lot of money and a long time.

These companies are selling their machines WAY over their cost because that is what the market will bear right now. ASICs in large quantities are cheap. Expect them to get cheap and competition to get tougher. And most importantly, difficulty will skyrocket.

In the not too distant future (within a year), we will be able to buy ASIC machines with about 100 GH/sec power that run at about 100 watts and cost a few hundred dollars. The difficulty will be such that the ROI for such a machine will be 1-2 years, so mining will be mostly for fun and small profits, not the cash cow it is now.

The price of bitcoin may rise ... especially if it can only be mined by Serious Miners (big investment in ASIC) they may tend to keep the btc in their wallet ... (especially if they don't really have to sell many to cover electricity costs ?)
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May 20, 2013, 04:07:49 PM
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We have money. So we don't need anymore.

You are off to a bad start already. Nice.
We even didn't made any start attemp. So there is no bad start.
It was just the answer for a picture posted by a member.
For funding the project we don't need money, so is why I have posted We have money. So we don't need anymore.


If you make it, that will be awesome  Smiley
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May 26, 2013, 05:08:27 AM
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You are too late to the ASIC game. There are at least three companies that have ASICs developed already, and you are a fool if you think those three companies aren't working on improved versions (well, maybe not BFL, lol).

That's A LOT of competition and developing an ASIC takes a lot of money and a long time.

These companies are selling their machines WAY over their cost because that is what the market will bear right now. ASICs in large quantities are cheap. Expect them to get cheap and competition to get tougher. And most importantly, difficulty will skyrocket.

In the not too distant future (within a year), we will be able to buy ASIC machines with about 100 GH/sec power that run at about 100 watts and cost a few hundred dollars. The difficulty will be such that the ROI for such a machine will be 1-2 years, so mining will be mostly for fun and small profits, not the cash cow it is now.

I think you're greatly underestimating the greed of the people building these devices.

The only way this turns into a "cheaper for faster" scenario is if someone steals an existing design - downsizes it to a much smaller process and straight up sets the price at something reasonable - then you might see a price war.

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As far as coming late to the game - I agree... the only strategy that would provide for success is if the project is entirely privately funded (investors with very deep pockets) and as soon as they have a working design they start cranking out units and reduce the process.

What's needed is something in 45nm range (or less) to really make a killing as a hardware designer.

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May 26, 2013, 05:13:05 AM
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Probably I will be the only one with only accepting escrow payment. That's for sure.
I will post the lead time when I will know more about.
interesting... who are you going to use for escrow?

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May 26, 2013, 08:55:12 AM
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Probably I will be the only one with only accepting escrow payment. That's for sure.
I will post the lead time when I will know more about.
interesting... who are you going to use for escrow?

very interesting, looking forward to your news!

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