How strong is your hand?

[hubbabubbabaker]

Like Stalin's iron fist.

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[wopwop]

My left or right hand?

[samson]

I sold every Bitcoin I owned for considerably more than they're selling for right now.

I guess that makes me really 'weak' right ?

Hope you are smart enough to buy back more coins you had when you sold them.

There's a lesson to be learned from those who "cashed out" after the 2011 bubble collapse.

Yes, I'll consider this over the coming days and weeks. For now my money sits on MtGox in USD waiting for the right price.

[jinni]

There is no weak hands or strong hands for me. This terminology has been abused by "pigs" and produced hilarious echo chambers like this right before the crash: http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/5165a9a0ecad045b0d000000-600-249/djlasir.jpg There are only good entry and exit points, and different risk/reward levels associated.

The term has been abused? For sure. The only problem is that the risk/reward levels and the good entry and exit points are hard if not impossible to calculate. One thing you can calculate, however, is that it makes rational sense for mass adoption of Bitcoin and hence putting some money in and holding is not a bad strategy.

It's true that if you are comfortable with losing the entire wealth you have stored in Bitcoin, it is a good strategy to lock it away for years and let it go to 0 or 10000. However, for the people who have been here a longer time, Bitcoin probably represents almost all of their net worth, and so, wealth preservation becomes more important than before.

Easy come, easy go, right? For the rest of the people who got in a little later, most of them probably haven't invested their entire net worth into Bitcoin.

For people who don't know anything about trading and who have or plan to have most of their net worth in Bitcoin, I would advocate dollar cost averaging in over months and setting up some sort of profit taking plan, like taking a certain percentage out if it goes up a certain percentage.

Not a bad plan to average in over months, if not years. The profit taking plan part is an idea worth investigating. Let's say you bought BTC100 at $10, then you could sell 10 % now at $100 to recoup your investment and still keep the remaining BTC90. But what are you going to do with $1000 anyway? Spend it on useless fun stuff you forget about in a few months? Put it in a savings account and get 0% interest while its value is being inflated away and the bank where your account is rakes in profit from it by gambling on a stock and derivatives market ballooned by QE? Besides Cashing in to fiat would bring with it a tax liability would it not?

But holding fiat? Why would you want to hold an asset that soon will be pretty much worthless?

Because in a bear market, you can buy more of your favorite assets with the same amount of national currency. People who knew that in the Bitcoin market did well in 2011. You can also buy land or gold or real estate or stocks or whatever you like whenever you like.

Gold, stocks and real estate are risky. Buying land is only useful if you know how to and you are willing to farm it yourself. Of course you could set yourself up with someone renting the land for a part of their harvest. But I think could be borderline immoral, and history has shown that isn't the way to efficiency.

[N12]

We only disagree on one point then:

Gold, stocks and real estate are risky. Buying land is only useful if you know how to and you are willing to farm it yourself. Of course you could set yourself up with someone renting the land for a part of their harvest. But I think could be borderline immoral, and history has shown that isn't the way to efficiency.

Gold, maybe blue chips stocks and Real Estate are obviously far less risky than Bitcoin. There is only one Gold, and has only ever been, and it's always been a store of value. Bitcoin however has competitors, is not totally proven etc., it's obviously a high risk high return investment.

For this reason I believe you should only either invest a small part of your net worth for the longer term, OR if you invest a large part, you be prepared to watch it like a hawk.

[phorensic]

Don't end up with nothing, like the poor Rockbiter:



- They look like big, good, strong hands, don't they?



- I always thought that’s what they were. My little friends. The Bitcoin, the Litecoin, even the stupid Feathercoin. I couldn’t hold on to them. The crappy fiat pulled them right out of my hands. I failed.

The Nothing is Coming!



Quick, we need to give the princess a new name!



Currently the market is sinking, hard.  Artax!!




Personally, I would take the racing snail on the way back up in this market.

[Crypt_Current]

Right one or left one?

[No 1]

you should be selling everyday not waiting for an imaginary number to arrive... just my 0.002BTC

[Crypt_Current]

Me I don't give a shit about clothes so my budget each year is about $600.  I shop at JCPennies, marchalls, tjmax... make fun all you want bout my style but I don't ever have to say... money is really tight can't go out for drinks and have fun with you sorry.

Wow, you are rich by comparison 
$600 / year is an ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS amount of money to spend on clothing, to me ...
But, excellent post; I enjoyed reading some pearls of wisdom there.  I had to learn the debt game the hard way through bankruptcy myself.

[Stunna]

I bought my Bitcoins for business ventures and to use not to speculate/profit on directly.

[Rampion]

Not a bad plan to average in over months, if not years. The profit taking plan part is an idea worth investigating. Let's say you bought BTC100 at $10, then you could sell 10 % now at $100 to recoup your investment and still keep the remaining BTC90. But what are you going to do with $1000 anyway? Spend it on useless fun stuff you forget about in a few months? Put it in a savings account and get 0% interest while its value is being inflated away and the bank where your account is rakes in profit from it by gambling on a stock and derivatives market ballooned by QE? Besides Cashing in to fiat would bring with it a tax liability would it not?

This. Very well put. I also think the key point in here is what Blitz wrote a little earlier:

It's true that if you are comfortable with losing the entire wealth you have stored in Bitcoin, it is a good strategy to lock it away for years and let it go to 0 or 10000.

I would add that investing more than you can afford to lose in "beta software" is plain and simply foolish.

[wonkytonky]

the amount that is needed to not have to work 1 day anymore the rest of my life..  

that will be my exit point..  

[dandirk]

Me I don't give a shit about clothes so my budget each year is about $600.  I shop at JCPennies, marchalls, tjmax... make fun all you want bout my style but I don't ever have to say... money is really tight can't go out for drinks and have fun with you sorry.

Wow, you are rich by comparison 
$600 / year is an ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS amount of money to spend on clothing, to me ...
But, excellent post; I enjoyed reading some pearls of wisdom there.  I had to learn the debt game the hard way through bankruptcy myself.

Me too... Did the typical bad-credit thing during the 18-25 years, I call them my invincible idiot years.  What amazes me about credit is I messed mine up with only about 2k in debt... yet I constantly see/hear people with 30k in CC debt alone and they still can buy a car, home after foreclosure etc.  Me I had to pay 16% on my car loan during my bad credit days...   How does that make sense, I always thought credit score should take amount into consideration.

$600 a year... yeah it looks higher when on paper, I usually buy clothes 1-2 times a year, spent about $300 a go.  Cudos for being out-raged by clothing purchases!  Me I have more fun buying computers/beer and fun stuff, clothes aren't fun for me...

[jinni]

Me I don't give a shit about clothes so my budget each year is about $600.  I shop at JCPennies, marchalls, tjmax... make fun all you want bout my style but I don't ever have to say... money is really tight can't go out for drinks and have fun with you sorry.

Wow, you are rich by comparison 
$600 / year is an ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS amount of money to spend on clothing, to me ...
But, excellent post; I enjoyed reading some pearls of wisdom there.  I had to learn the debt game the hard way through bankruptcy myself.

Me too... Did the typical bad-credit thing during the 18-25 years, I call them my invincible idiot years.  What amazes me about credit is I messed mine up with only about 2k in debt... yet I constantly see/hear people with 30k in CC debt alone and they still can buy a car, home after foreclosure etc.  Me I had to pay 16% on my car loan during my bad credit days...   How does that make sense, I always thought credit score should take amount into consideration.

$600 a year... yeah it looks higher when on paper, I usually buy clothes 1-2 times a year, spent about $300 a go.  Cudos for being out-raged by clothing purchases!  Me I have more fun buying computers/beer and fun stuff, clothes aren't fun for me...

The last few years I've spent about $200/year on clothes and I think it's way too much. I have tons of clothes so this year I'm hoping to spend nil, hopefully the next year too, and the next after that. Maybe I'll spend a tiny bit on thread so I can repair them if they break.

[jinni]

We only disagree on one point then:

Gold, stocks and real estate are risky. Buying land is only useful if you know how to and you are willing to farm it yourself. Of course you could set yourself up with someone renting the land for a part of their harvest. But I think could be borderline immoral, and history has shown that isn't the way to efficiency.

Gold, maybe blue chips stocks and Real Estate are obviously far less risky than Bitcoin. There is only one Gold, and has only ever been, and it's always been a store of value. Bitcoin however has competitors, is not totally proven etc., it's obviously a high risk high return investment.

For this reason I believe you should only either invest a small part of your net worth for the longer term, OR if you invest a large part, you be prepared to watch it like a hawk.

1. I'm not disputing the immense first mover advantage of gold. I only think it's risky because there is so much of it in asteroids and because it can be synthesized. Mining gold on asteroids probably won't happen until late this decade or early next, but when do you think investors will catch on and move out?

2. Blue chip stocks are interesting. If you chose the right company you could be dealing with less risk. That being said, it's hard to find the right company...even Microsoft is mentioned in the "blue chip" article on Wikipedia even though their main business is selling an inferior product that is easily copied without giving Microsoft a dime. You could look to big and old companies like IBM and GE that have survived and reinvented themselves time and time again, but is past performance reallya measure for future performance? Besides, IBM should have been set on trial for collusion with the enemy during WW2. Though it shows adaptability for a company to do so, I still wouldn't want to put my money with a company that actively participated in making the holocaust possible - but hey, that's just me. Do you have any tips for "sure bet" companies?

3. Real estate. Are you kidding me? The volatility of the real estate market has been crazy, almost in every single country in the world. What's to stop any city from going down the same road as Detroit? What will your real estate be worth then?

4. I'm not denying that one should spread around one's investments. However I answered this thread with the assumption that most people hadn't invested their entire net worth in Bitcoin. And as I said above, if you were early in the game, and suddenly ended up with tons of BTC then easy come, easy go - of course you can afford to lose something you didn't have to begin with.

5. Watching Bitcoin like a hawk is a good idea. Is there a way to set up something like an rss-feed or something that will alert you to certain swings in the price that you specify beforehand and make you're mobile phone go apeshit to alert you?

I would add that investing more than you can afford to lose in "beta software" is plain and simply foolish.

Then where would you invest it? Remember that simply keeping your cash in a bank account is investing in fiat, the safety of your bank and taking on the huge systemic risk of the broken financial system.

[dandirk]

The last few years I've spent about $200/year on clothes and I think it's way too much. I have tons of clothes so this year I'm hoping to spend nil, hopefully the next year too, and the next after that. Maybe I'll spend a tiny bit on thread so I can repair them if they break.

Maybe the trick is to have lots of clothes... I generally don't, have about a weeks worth, when they aren't presentable at work, donate them and get more.

Maybe I am getting clothes that are too cheap and falling apart too quick?

Either-way my clothing expenses are less then my coffee expenses... that is good enough for me.

[exahash]

Me I don't give a shit about clothes so my budget each year is about $600.  I shop at JCPennies, marchalls, tjmax... make fun all you want bout my style but I don't ever have to say... money is really tight can't go out for drinks and have fun with you sorry.

Wow, you are rich by comparison 
$600 / year is an ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS amount of money to spend on clothing, to me ...
But, excellent post; I enjoyed reading some pearls of wisdom there.  I had to learn the debt game the hard way through bankruptcy myself.

Me too... Did the typical bad-credit thing during the 18-25 years, I call them my invincible idiot years.  What amazes me about credit is I messed mine up with only about 2k in debt... yet I constantly see/hear people with 30k in CC debt alone and they still can buy a car, home after foreclosure etc.  Me I had to pay 16% on my car loan during my bad credit days...   How does that make sense, I always thought credit score should take amount into consideration.

$600 a year... yeah it looks higher when on paper, I usually buy clothes 1-2 times a year, spent about $300 a go.  Cudos for being out-raged by clothing purchases!  Me I have more fun buying computers/beer and fun stuff, clothes aren't fun for me...

The last few years I've spent about $200/year on clothes and I think it's way too much. I have tons of clothes so this year I'm hoping to spend nil, hopefully the next year too, and the next after that. Maybe I'll spend a tiny bit on thread so I can repair them if they break.

If you ladies want to start comparing how much you spent on shoes and purses, please take it offline.

[dandirk]

Me I don't give a shit about clothes so my budget each year is about $600.  I shop at JCPennies, marchalls, tjmax... make fun all you want bout my style but I don't ever have to say... money is really tight can't go out for drinks and have fun with you sorry.

Wow, you are rich by comparison 
$600 / year is an ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS amount of money to spend on clothing, to me ...
But, excellent post; I enjoyed reading some pearls of wisdom there.  I had to learn the debt game the hard way through bankruptcy myself.

Me too... Did the typical bad-credit thing during the 18-25 years, I call them my invincible idiot years.  What amazes me about credit is I messed mine up with only about 2k in debt... yet I constantly see/hear people with 30k in CC debt alone and they still can buy a car, home after foreclosure etc.  Me I had to pay 16% on my car loan during my bad credit days...   How does that make sense, I always thought credit score should take amount into consideration.

$600 a year... yeah it looks higher when on paper, I usually buy clothes 1-2 times a year, spent about $300 a go.  Cudos for being out-raged by clothing purchases!  Me I have more fun buying computers/beer and fun stuff, clothes aren't fun for me...

The last few years I've spent about $200/year on clothes and I think it's way too much. I have tons of clothes so this year I'm hoping to spend nil, hopefully the next year too, and the next after that. Maybe I'll spend a tiny bit on thread so I can repair them if they break.

If you ladies want to start comparing how much you spent on shoes and purses, please take it offline.

No I want to know what kind of pumps you prefer to buy?  I only buy guche just as I am sure you only buy douchebag.

[yokosan]

http://www.extravaganzi.com/2000-momotaro-jeans-without-compromise/

Peasants.

[Bitcoiner_cph]

It may be that we don't sell them but use them to buy cars, houses, yachts or whatever.

Better to rent things with bitcoins I think - no reason to own anything other than bitcoins.

+1

very smart, adapted this idea in less then a sec.