I am against Bitcoin Cash and here is why

[BrewMaster]

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

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[spadormie]

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

For me, I think that it is the perfect time for Nakamoto to show up to the world. And tell us that he is against this BCC, it is against on his work the bitcoin. Why they want to have a hard fork when they can refer to the original? The bitcoin. I am also against this actually. Our coins might be at high risk rather than bitcoin.

[davis196]

Why don`t Bitcoin Cash suporters create a brand new altcoin.(Somehting from scratch,like the OP said.)
They are using the name of Bitcoin to manipulate the newbies, who are not familiar with soft/hard forks.
Using the name "Bitcoin" gains some aditional level of trust,which they don`t deserve.
Bitcoin Cash should be renamed to something different-Baitcoin,Betcoin or Batcoin...i don`t know.

[davidmccoy]

This BBC has created a divide among the people who supported the cryptocurrency for a very long time. I hope average traders will not suffer much with the change.

[davidmccoy]

Why don`t Bitcoin Cash suporters create a brand new altcoin.(Somehting from scratch,like the OP said.)
They are using the name of Bitcoin to manipulate the newbies, who are not familiar with soft/hard forks.
Using the name "Bitcoin" gains some aditional level of trust,which they don`t deserve.
Bitcoin Cash should be renamed to something different-Baitcoin,Betcoin or Batcoin...i don`t know.

Baitcoin is perfect  Should not be a bait though.

[Justaguy2]

This post is worth reading if you have any doubt that bcc is a fraud.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2050936.0

[peter0425]

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

Exactly. Majority of us here are against it and for sure that this altcoin won't survive or would be irrelevant in the future. They just want to disrupt and cause commotion in the market and I think they will not succeed because its plain and simple: They are all greedy and just want to gain profit out of bitcoin's name. I hope that newbies will not fall for this and realize that this is a trap so better exit early and stick with bitcoin only.

[JohnMacaron]

What are u talking about at all? Who needs bitcoin if u need to wait hours on end for confirmation< there'll be no idiots to wait in coffeeshop till morning while your artificially congested like bloody toilet pipe network will spit off something. Bitcoin is dying and segwit is compared to sticking leeches to dying kranke, while he agonizing his last hours.

[delpiero10]

bcc will be meaningless altcoin, don't waste time on it 

[krishnapramod]

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

1. The current Bitcoin protocol is Satoshi's vision and an increase in blocksize isn't against Satoshi's vision, but the question is, is it necessary at this point in time.

2. Decentralization is being dragged into this whole scaling debate. On chain and off chain solutions. Segwit with side implementations (LN) gives a choice to users to choose how they want to process their transactions, no miner manipulation, if using exchanges is centralized, yeah then payment channels can be termed a centralized approach, just perception and it comes down to trust, still channels aren't capable enough to run away with your coins.

3. Don't bother explaininng how miners manipulate fees, incentivized spamming isn't no fluke. Bigger blocks leads to high fees, and then include the spamming. It is definitely costly, but when the spamming is controlled by a definite source or bigger pools (let's drag the centralized mining equipment manufacturer into it, Bitmain) then it is worth the spam to get twice the amount in transaction fees. Centralized mining.

4. I had mentioned in one of my last posts there is majority, super majority, economic majority and consensus, let the miners and the manufacturer be centralized and centered on their own profits, let the nodes decide.

5. Segwit2x is the apt option, gives both users and big blockers a choice, users don't have to process their transactions according to the rules set by centralized miners, and there is on chain transactions who prefer that.

6. BCC is a demo. If the majority supports for a hard fork in November, let be it, if not, the non-majority has the option to fork-off the network. There is no logic in comparing miners have heavily invested into mining, so what the Bitcoin users are doing?

[olushakes]

The issue about this BCC is that irrespective of our position, the possibility it going to happen is high and to the best of my knowledge, its not compulsory to use it and even major exchange sites have equally come out with their concerns. What I will say is, let just wait and see as the community  will be the determinant of whether it will be successful or futile and not individuals. Its just few days left.

[BrewMaster]

What are u talking about at all? Who needs bitcoin if u need to wait hours on end for confirmation< there'll be no idiots to wait in coffeeshop till morning while your artificially congested like bloody toilet pipe network will spit off something. Bitcoin is dying and segwit is compared to sticking leeches to dying kranke, while he agonizing his last hours.

did you even bother to read what i said, or are you just too desperate that you felt the need to create a new throwaway account to spread bullshit here.

let me rephrase it for you:
you say bitcoin is shit and has a lot of problems. you are only 1 person. you are going against millions of people, aka the majority and you are forking off just because you can and have a small amount of hashrate.

and that still doesn't explain why you don't make something from scratch like the rest of normal human beings.

ps. love to see how your 8MB blocks are going to last under a severe spam attack for 3 years. although i doubt any spam attack happens there because of two things: not enough incentive + those who support BCC were the spammers themselves...

[JohnMacaron]

Good points u've made here. Thank God we don't have any problems right now in our happy bitcoin kingdom. That's not like without any Ddos attacks we losing half of normal users who use bitcoin for their everyday purchases, right?  It's not like only people who use bitcoin network right now are speculators and miners who process money from wallet to wallet in endless circle jerk without any actual implementation of Satoshi's ideas in real life. Bitcoin is dying, people defecting, we need drastic change or blown up price will go down the pipe anyway.

[BrewMaster]

Good points u've made here. Thank God we don't have any problems right now in our happy bitcoin realm. That's not like without any Ddos attacks we losing half of normal users who use bitcoin for their everyday purchases, right?  It's not like only people who use bitcoin network right now are speculators and miners who process money from wallet to wallet in endless circle jerk without any actual implementation of Satoshi's ideas in real life. Bitcoin is dying, people defecting, we need drastic change or blown up price will go down the pipe anyway.

let me give you an example so maybe you understand your idiotic ways:
US presidential election was last year. Trump won based on majority support. many are not happy about it.
what you do is like 100 Americans deciding they don't want Trump, they want Mr. X as their president. They go build a new building beside White House and put Mr. X in it and start telling 323.1 million - 100 people that fuck you for being the majority and accepting Trump, this guy that we few support is the "American Vision".

[Casdinyard]

bcc will be meaningless altcoin, don't waste time on it  

Bcc should be consider altcoin not some shadow of btc. This thing should never be introduce in the market or if so, list it to alt coin. And I agree with OP that whats the use of voting when it just became a front act? Like the votes of the majority becomes useless when what they plan should be use and follow. It's sucks really.

[JohnMacaron]

My ways are righteous, i think about securing bitcoin positions to implement it in all aspects of our life in future. Right now people are abandoning this sinking shit, like rats.  1Mb block size is NOT acceptable in current state of things! And small-minded menschen like yourself obviously don't want bitcoin network to be thriving, so their making from it their milking cow and instead of going big their maliciously congesting bloodvessels of ecosystem to suck on sweet fees. DISGUSTING!

[rudystyle]

Good points u've made here. Thank God we don't have any problems right now in our happy bitcoin realm. That's not like without any Ddos attacks we losing half of normal users who use bitcoin for their everyday purchases, right?  It's not like only people who use bitcoin network right now are speculators and miners who process money from wallet to wallet in endless circle jerk without any actual implementation of Satoshi's ideas in real life. Bitcoin is dying, people defecting, we need drastic change or blown up price will go down the pipe anyway.

let me give you an example so maybe you understand your idiotic ways:
US presidential election was last year. Trump won based on majority support. many are not happy about it.
what you do is like 100 Americans deciding they don't want Trump, they want Mr. X as their president. They go build a new building beside White House and put Mr. X in it and start telling 323.1 million - 100 people that fuck you for being the majority and accepting Trump, this guy that we few support is the "American Vision".

lol good example

[danherbias07]

Bitcoin Unlimited tried it and now Bitcoin Cash.
It seems like they are loving to use the name for a different purpose.
A high popularity bitcoin is being tried to be cloned and yet no one succeeded.
This will just have the same faith as how the BU ends up.
Trying to somehow pull some users is a good strategy. But they will be back.

[talkbitcoin]

these Cash supporters are not only insulting everyone involved with bitcoin but also they are abusing the name or brand of bitcoin with their fork. and that is the answer to your question. because they want to abuse bitcoin's name otherwise it is obvious that the best course of action would have been to start a new chain from zero.

[Cult]

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

And we are going to vote again, this time by dumping their coin and buying bitcoin.

If they want to give us free money, that's fine, but there may be no one to dump on...