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June 21, 2011, 05:17:04 PM
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I think we now know the wisdom of sending money to a French guy who lives in Japan.

One thing to remember in all this: Bernie Madoff was honest and trustworthy for the first 55 years of his life.

Considering the warning signs it is pretty amazing so many people lost their money. The withdrawal limits on Mt. Cox were a glaring red flag. Legitimate organizations don't have "withdrawal limits". What if you went to your bank and they said, sorry you can only withdraw $1000 this week. When you see a withdrawal limit that is usually the precursor to coming back "next week" and finding a lock on the door.

Then, of course, there was that $45,000 he stole from that Russian guy named Baron because he thought Baron might be a crook since he had a lot of money and he was Russian. That makes sense, my client might be a criminal so I think it is ok for me to steal his money. Nice logic.

Yeah, I have a gold eagle made from gold stolen by the Japanese when they looted Thailand and melted down all the Buddhas, so I guess it is ok to seize all my money. Here you go Mark, you can have my gold eagle, because, gee it was made from stolen gold and therefore it belongs to you until I send a scan of my passport.

I think it should be pretty obvious that sooner or later ALL bitcoins will have been "stolen" at some point.

Guess who the biggest thief of all is.




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June 21, 2011, 05:22:39 PM
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OKay, for a second there I was experiencing FUD, but look at it this way:

Option A:  Mark goes to prison in Japan for a decade for fraud, embezzlement, etc.

Option B:  Mark puts the exchange back up and resumes making $1 million per month in fees, to continue to increase, and does not go to prison.

Which option do you think he will choose?

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June 21, 2011, 05:23:04 PM
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Wait and see... I wouldn't want to have the entire Bitcoin hacker community going against me personally...
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June 21, 2011, 05:30:04 PM
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Legitimate organizations don't have "withdrawal limits". What if you went to your bank and they said, sorry you can only withdraw $1000 this week. When you see a withdrawal limit that is usually the precursor to coming back "next week" and finding a lock on the door.

Practically all banks have withdrawal limits.

Actually in many countries they are even obliged to have them, especially for online-withdrawals.

Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own blockchain, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the blockchain!
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June 21, 2011, 05:41:43 PM
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Legitimate organizations don't have "withdrawal limits". What if you went to your bank and they said, sorry you can only withdraw $1000 this week. When you see a withdrawal limit that is usually the precursor to coming back "next week" and finding a lock on the door.

Practically all banks have withdrawal limits.

Actually in many countries they are even obliged to have them, especially for online-withdrawals.


I don't know what planet you live on, but on earth bank accounts are called "demand deposits" because the client can get back ALL funds on DEMAND.

If I walk into my bank in Boston and present them with proper identification they MUST turn over every cent to me in my account on demand or I can sue them for mega damages under state law. That is what a demand deposit is. In fact, if a bank refuses to honor a demand deposit improperly and that causes the holder to suffer a business loss, the bank can be sued for cost + damages, typically DOUBLE what the business loss was.

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June 21, 2011, 05:47:33 PM
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Practically all banks have withdrawal limits.

Actually in many countries they are even obliged to have them, especially for online-withdrawals.


I don't know what planet you live on, but on earth bank accounts are called "demand deposits" because the client can get back ALL funds on DEMAND.


I happen to live on that same planet.
And precisely which part of "especially for online-withdrawals" did you not understand?



If I walk into my bank in Boston and present them with proper identification they MUST turn over every cent to me in my account on demand or I can sue them for mega damages under state law. That is what a demand deposit is. In fact, if a bank refuses to honor a demand deposit improperly and that causes the holder to suffer a business loss, the bank can be sued for cost + damages, typically DOUBLE what the business loss was.


If you had an account with 50 million $ in it, could you walk out of your bank with a large enough bag actually filled with those?

You would have to inform them about your withdrawal way before the actual transfer could be made.

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June 21, 2011, 05:51:07 PM
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I think we now know the wisdom of sending money to a French guy who lives in Japan.

One thing to remember in all this: Bernie Madoff was honest and trustworthy for the first 55 years of his life.

Considering the warning signs it is pretty amazing so many people lost their money. The withdrawal limits on Mt. Cox were a glaring red flag. Legitimate organizations don't have "withdrawal limits". What if you went to your bank and they said, sorry you can only withdraw $1000 this week. When you see a withdrawal limit that is usually the precursor to coming back "next week" and finding a lock on the door.

The withdrawal limit was put on very recently in response to them either knowing they'd been hacked or noticing the increasing user reports of bitcoin loss.
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June 21, 2011, 06:03:12 PM
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Considering the warning signs it is pretty amazing so many people lost their money. The withdrawal limits on Mt. Cox were a glaring red flag. Legitimate organizations don't have "withdrawal limits". What if you went to your bank and they said, sorry you can only withdraw $1000 this week. When you see a withdrawal limit that is usually the precursor to coming back "next week" and finding a lock on the door.

Well that's not entirely true.  If you want to withdraw a large sum of money from your bank account, depending on the size of the withdraw you may have to come back a different day.

See this: http://www.bankingquestions.com/savingsaccounts/q_cashlimits.html

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June 21, 2011, 06:07:33 PM
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I live in Kuwait and all banks have a daily limit on how much you can transfer or withdraw from your account. You can call them and increase the limit or ask them to do the transfer for you over the phone, once they verify your info.

The same goes for MtGox; you can increase the limit if you contact them.

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June 21, 2011, 06:49:24 PM
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That's pretty cool Smiley

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June 21, 2011, 06:54:49 PM
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I live in Kuwait and all banks have a daily limit on how much you can transfer or withdraw from your account. You can call them and increase the limit or ask them to do the transfer for you over the phone, once they verify your info.

The same goes for MtGox; you can increase the limit if you contact them.

Don't spread Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt. You're fooling yourself and others.

LOL, even in most banana republic "emerging economies" like Kuwait there are no capital controls. The only places in the world that restrict withdrawals currently are isolated communist freak out zones like North Korea.

I think you are confusing ATM withdrawal limits with your legal right to the contents of your account.

ATM withdrawal limits have nothing to do with your right to your money which is the same in Kuwait as it is in the United States: you can demand ALL of your money at ANY time and receive it IMMEDIATELY. In Kuwait's case the only exception to this that I know of was that in 1991 during the war temporary capital controls were put in place because of the crisis. These controls have since been removed.

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June 21, 2011, 07:11:03 PM
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Umm. A lot of banks have withdrawal limits (for the general public, not businesses, etc.) in the US. Especially at ATMS/etc.

To close out an account and receive all of the money (if it is a large amount), you generally have to talk to a bank manager.
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June 21, 2011, 07:13:13 PM
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I live in Kuwait and all banks have a daily limit on how much you can transfer or withdraw from your account. You can call them and increase the limit or ask them to do the transfer for you over the phone, once they verify your info.

The same goes for MtGox; you can increase the limit if you contact them.

Don't spread Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt. You're fooling yourself and others.

LOL, even in most banana republic "emerging economies" like Kuwait there are no capital controls. The only places in the world that restrict withdrawals currently are isolated communist freak out zones like North Korea.

I think you are confusing ATM withdrawal limits with your legal right to the contents of your account.

ATM withdrawal limits have nothing to do with your right to your money which is the same in Kuwait as it is in the United States: you can demand ALL of your money at ANY time and receive it IMMEDIATELY. In Kuwait's case the only exception to this that I know of was that in 1991 during the war temporary capital controls were put in place because of the crisis. These controls have since been removed.


Did you not read the part where I mention transfers, not just withdrawals? You can walk into the bank and ask to withdraw all your money, sure, but when doing it online, I'm capped to 2000 KWD/month ($6k USD). I can increase that limit by calling the bank, but $6k is the default cap.
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June 21, 2011, 07:16:48 PM
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LOL, even in most banana republic "emerging economies" like Kuwait there are no capital controls. The only places in the world that restrict withdrawals currently are isolated communist freak out zones like North Korea.

I fed the troll first. Can i keep it?

Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own blockchain, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the blockchain!
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June 21, 2011, 07:19:19 PM
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Blinken is correct.  Obviously if you are expecting to receive a large amount of physical cash then you will need to inform them ahead of time so they can get said cash from their money processing center.  However, large sums of cash are almost never moved physically, they're done electronically.  Usually through wires.

You can wire every cent out of your account at any time if you want to.  MtGox did not give you that option.  And if your bank is limiting your online withdrawals, get another bank.

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June 21, 2011, 07:23:05 PM
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LOL, even in most banana republic "emerging economies" like Kuwait there are no capital controls. The only places in the world that restrict withdrawals currently are isolated communist freak out zones like North Korea.

I fed the troll first. Can i keep it?

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