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December 05, 2010, 05:46:30 AM
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Quote from: em3rgentOrdr link=topic=2069.msg26891#msg26891
What if we do nothing?

The end result is likely to be the same.  It doesn't matter if someone in this community proposes to Wikileaks or not, they are very net savy.  Someone in their structure is going to propose bitcoin to them, and there is no way for us, or anyone, to prevent them from using it.  Hopefully they will also be willing to commit as much of their own resources to the security of bitcoin if they do so openly.  We still don't have the strength to withstand the full force of the US government.

Good point...Wikileaks would find about bitcoin by themselves (or likely already know about it) anyway, and would thus make a decision on their own whether or not they thought bitcoin would be beneficial to them.  And the argument could be made that it would be best if there were no formal connection from the bitcoin community to the wikileaks organization, whereby a bitcoin "representative" or "leader" speaks to a Wikileaks "representative" or "leader".  

agreed.

Wikileaks should be just another node no different than any other.

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December 05, 2010, 06:41:10 AM
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JULIAN ASSANGE IS SATOSHI NAKAMOTO !
HE INVENTED BITCOIN TO ANONYMOUSLY ACCEPT DONATIONS FOR HIS SITE WIKILEAKS !

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No.   http://cryptome.org/  preceeded wikileaks by a decade and created by John Young (the co founder of wikileaks ).
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20011106-281.html here he is critisizing wikileaks at a hacker conference in New York.

http://cryptome.org/cryptome-sar.htm  they have even been accused of money laundering and had their account pulled by paypal .


http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2001/04/42860
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The prosecution also called John Young, a New York City architect who runs cryptome.org and is a frequent participant in the cypherpunks discussion list. The group, featured on the second cover of Wired magazine, is devoted to discussions of privacy, anonymity and free speech -- and now is regularly monitored by the feds.

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If John isnt a candidate for "satoshi" I will eat my hat. He actually is a real life character from cryptonomicon!




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Thanks, NoAgenda.  That was very interesting reading and a great interview with John Young of cryptome.org about his opinions on WikiLeaks.  It is probably best that we do not look at WikiLeaks as our salvation or centralized hub of leaking.


Quote from: em3rgentOrdr link=topic=2069.msg26891#msg26891
What if we do nothing?

The end result is likely to be the same.  It doesn't matter if someone in this community proposes to Wikileaks or not, they are very net savy.  Someone in their structure is going to propose bitcoin to them, and there is no way for us, or anyone, to prevent them from using it.  Hopefully they will also be willing to commit as much of their own resources to the security of bitcoin if they do so openly.  We still don't have the strength to withstand the full force of the US government.

Good point...Wikileaks would find about bitcoin by themselves (or likely already know about it) anyway, and would thus make a decision on their own whether or not they thought bitcoin would be beneficial to them.  And the argument could be made that it would be best if there were no formal connection from the bitcoin community to the wikileaks organization, whereby a bitcoin "representative" or "leader" speaks to a Wikileaks "representative" or "leader".  

agreed.

Wikileaks should be just another node no different than any other.

Indeed.  I could not have said that better: "Wikileaks should be just another node no different than any other."

"We will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.

Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks, but pure P2P networks are holding their own."
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December 05, 2010, 06:56:53 AM
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Nitpick:  One need not be a node, in order to use bitcoins.

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December 05, 2010, 11:25:26 AM
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Nitpick:  One need not be a node, in order to use bitcoins.

no of course not. Its the idea that counts in that no bitcoin user is better than any other .
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