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June 22, 2011, 03:35:40 PM
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Sorry for my stereo-typing but is this an american scheme to approach something?

Sue Sue SUE sue whenever something goes wrong, no matter who the guilty party all I keep hearing from americans is to sue the other party.

Not trying to derail this into a discussion about the merits of anarcho-capitalism // strong Libertarianism , but lawsuits and arbitration are about the only remedies one has in such a system. They could be used quite often.

I don't know what the contract stated, but there is definitely some basis for claiming negligence on MyBitcoin's part. But not likely because of where it is located as mentioned.
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June 22, 2011, 03:49:06 PM
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I mean, if you can win a lawsuit against McDonalds for burning yourself because they didn't state their coffee was hot, you can pretty much sue for anything.

i get really tired of this case getting dragged out as an example of frivolous lawsuits.

1. mcDs served their coffee at ridiculous temperatures, far higher than any other competing restaurant.

There is only two critical temperature for water (with normal atmospheric pressure) 100C and 0C.
So fresh and hot tea or coffee always less than 100C (85-90C).
Apparently other restaurants serving cold slush, saying that it is a good coffee?

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June 22, 2011, 05:02:50 PM
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Stereo-typing, yep... looks like Americans should be under the slogan: «Born to sue something»
It apparently is their immediate response to anything: Sue it! Then just get an ambulance chaser and a bunch of wackos they call "jury" to do the rest of the job. Whatever, they're happy that way...
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June 22, 2011, 05:27:43 PM
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I mean, if you can win a lawsuit against McDonalds for burning yourself because they didn't state their coffee was hot, you can pretty much sue for anything.

i get really tired of this case getting dragged out as an example of frivolous lawsuits.

1. mcDs served their coffee at ridiculous temperatures, far higher than any other competing restaurant.

There is only two critical temperature for water (with normal atmospheric pressure) 100C and 0C.
So fresh and hot tea or coffee always less than 100C (85-90C).
Apparently other restaurants serving cold slush, saying that it is a good coffee?

McDs served it at 88C, which will cause 3rd degree burns within seconds (and is thus undrinkable).  a typical coffee maker holds the coffee at about 70C, resulting in a serving temperature of about 65C.
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June 22, 2011, 05:37:27 PM
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McDs served it at 88C, which will cause 3rd degree burns within seconds (and is thus undrinkable).  a typical coffee maker holds the coffee at about 70C, resulting in a serving temperature of about 65C.

And you go sue someone over that?! A machine malfunction? Or expect the employee to have a thermometer with him?!  Shocked

Well, one time I was talking with an American friend about those insane lawsuits. She told me her friend just had won 7000 USD out of a lawsuit against her neighbor. She sued the neighbor because the guy was fixing his roof and felt to her yard, breaking a glass and scared her cat.
Somehow I ended up with the feeling that US isn't in Earth, as by here when we see a neighbor down on our yard we call an ambulance, not a lawyer. But whatever, as long as it works for you...  Roll Eyes
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June 22, 2011, 05:47:25 PM
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I mean, if you can win a lawsuit against McDonalds for burning yourself because they didn't state their coffee was hot, you can pretty much sue for anything.

i get really tired of this case getting dragged out as an example of frivolous lawsuits.

1. mcDs served their coffee at ridiculous temperatures, far higher than any other competing restaurant.
2. the woman originally sued for only her medical costs.  the larger punitive damaged were added by the jury.
3. they had previously settled out of court on multiple similar cases.
1. She spilled the coffee on herself = her fault
2. She spilled the coffee on herself = her fault
3. They spilled the coffee on themselves = their fault
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June 22, 2011, 05:48:27 PM
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McDs served it at 88C, which will cause 3rd degree burns within seconds (and is thus undrinkable).  a typical coffee maker holds the coffee at about 70C, resulting in a serving temperature of about 65C.

And you go sue someone over that?! A machine malfunction? Or expect the employee to have a thermometer with him?!  Shocked

Well, one time I was talking with an American friend about those insane lawsuits. She told me her friend just had won 7000 USD out of a lawsuit against her neighbor. She sued the neighbor because the guy was fixing his roof and felt to her yard, breaking a glass and scared her cat.
Somehow I ended up with the feeling that US isn't in Earth, as by here when we see a neighbor down on our yard we call an ambulance, not a lawyer. But whatever, as long as it works for you...  Roll Eyes

Some people now request their coffee to be 200F+.  Coffee stands willing to serve coffee at this temp typically require a signed waiver from the customer.
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June 22, 2011, 05:51:20 PM
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McDs served it at 88C, which will cause 3rd degree burns within seconds (and is thus undrinkable).  a typical coffee maker holds the coffee at about 70C, resulting in a serving temperature of about 65C.

And you go sue someone over that?! A machine malfunction? Or expect the employee to have a thermometer with him?!  Shocked

not a malfunction.  they deliberately had it set that way.
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June 22, 2011, 05:52:29 PM
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I mean, if you can win a lawsuit against McDonalds for burning yourself because they didn't state their coffee was hot, you can pretty much sue for anything.

i get really tired of this case getting dragged out as an example of frivolous lawsuits.

1. mcDs served their coffee at ridiculous temperatures, far higher than any other competing restaurant.
2. the woman originally sued for only her medical costs.  the larger punitive damaged were added by the jury.
3. they had previously settled out of court on multiple similar cases.



You put the balm on? Who told you to put the balm on? I didn't tell you to put the balm on. Why'd you put the balm on?

McDs served it at 88C, which will cause 3rd degree burns within seconds (and is thus undrinkable).  a typical coffee maker holds the coffee at about 70C, resulting in a serving temperature of about 65C.

And you go sue someone over that?! A machine malfunction? Or expect the employee to have a thermometer with him?!  Shocked

not a malfunction.  they deliberately had it set that way.

Yes, because hotter coffee holds fresher for longer

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June 22, 2011, 05:59:26 PM
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So what?!
If wait a few minutes the coffee will cool down not get hotter and if you wait even longer you'll get cold coffee.
Would be much worse if they serve cold coffee, as unlike hot coffee, cold coffee doesn't get warmer on its own.
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June 22, 2011, 06:01:08 PM
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The speed in which all of you stanch libertarians turned into crybaby nannystate teat-suckers is pretty hilarious.  

Next up: Lawsuit because someone didn't wipe your ass for you.
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June 22, 2011, 06:01:42 PM
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The speed in which all of you stanch libertarians turned into crybaby nannystate teat-suckers is pretty hilarious.  

Next up: Lawsuit because someone didn't wipe your ass for you.

Libertarians believe in the legal system, and that you can sue for property.
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June 22, 2011, 06:05:20 PM
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The speed in which all of you stanch libertarians turned into crybaby nannystate teat-suckers is pretty hilarious.  

Next up: Lawsuit because someone didn't wipe your ass for you.

Libertarians believe in the legal system, and that you can sue for property.

There was no warranty and every loss was caused by user negligence.  So tell me again how your government is going to save you from the free market?
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June 22, 2011, 06:06:57 PM
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So what?!
If wait a few minutes the coffee will cool down not get hotter and if you wait even longer you'll get cold coffee.
Would be much worse if they serve cold coffee, as unlike hot coffee, cold coffee doesn't get warmer on its own.

Just like the temperature guidelines for cooking meat, the serving temperature recommendations for coffee are set at a level so as not create a potentially dangerous situation when taking human error and calibration in to the equation.

The USDA recommends an internal temperature of 145F for medium rare steak.  A cooked to internal temperature of 145 for medium rare steak.  True medium rare is 125F with a 5 minute rest.

145F with a rest is basically medium well.

By serving you shoe leather and cold coffee the restaurant is avoiding potential lawsuits.

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June 22, 2011, 06:30:47 PM
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ZOMG

You are all still going on about McDonalds.  How can I unsubscribe from this thread?

This is indeed a conspiracy for have McDonalds to accept bitcoin  Wink
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June 22, 2011, 06:46:22 PM
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I deleted this comment.  It's not relevant.
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June 22, 2011, 07:06:37 PM
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Yes, because hotter coffee holds fresher for longer

wrong.  hot coffee evaporates faster, losing much of it's flavour and becoming bitter.

the best way to store coffee is cold (single-digit degrees, like in a refrigerator), then heat it up to drinking temperature immediately before drinking it.
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June 22, 2011, 07:38:05 PM
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From https://www.mybitcoin.com/contact-us.php :

MyBitcoin LLC
Main Street, Box 556
Charlestown
Nevis, West Indies

So good luck with suing them! You will need it.

There is probably a potential lawsuit against mybitcoin.com for negligence.

Numerous users have complained about the theft of bitcoins from mybitcoin.com
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20427.0

If they were aware of the potential security breach and did not take adequate measure to protect their members they could be liable

So let me get this straight:

1) There were no security problems at mybitcoin.com
2) mtgox was cracked
3) Some users were so f***ing stupid to use the same username and password on both sites

And you claim 3) is the fault of mybitcoin.com? I don't see any reason why they should reset any passwords due to the Mt. Gox issue. To be honest, as a user of Mt. Gox I was really annoyed that I had to reset my password at some other sites, just because some users were too stupid to take minimal security precautions.

Being just stupid is one thing, suing others for your own stupidness is another thing - and not acceptable to me.
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June 22, 2011, 07:43:52 PM
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Does 80C coffee freeze faster than 70C coffee?  That is really the only question left at this point
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June 22, 2011, 07:48:11 PM
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It does but I forgot why.
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