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August 07, 2017, 10:21:09 AM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?
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August 07, 2017, 10:25:23 AM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?

This is a chicken and egg situation. For bitcoin's price to stabilize, a large scale economy needs to develop with more businesses and users. For a large scale economy to develop, businesses and users will seek for price stability.

Fortunately, volatility does not affect the main benefits of Bitcoin as a payment system to transfer money from point A to point B. It is possible for businesses to convert bitcoin payments to their local currency instantly, allowing them to profit from the advantages of Bitcoin without being subjected to price fluctuations. Since Bitcoin offers many useful and unique features and properties, many users choose to use Bitcoin. With such solutions and incentives, it is possible that Bitcoin will mature and develop to a degree where price volatility will become limited.

In fact, in April 2016 Bitcoin's volatility reached record levels, close to that of gold, and other fiat pairs.
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August 07, 2017, 10:35:39 AM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?

This is a chicken and egg situation. For bitcoin's price to stabilize, a large scale economy needs to develop with more businesses and users. For a large scale economy to develop, businesses and users will seek for price stability.

Fortunately, volatility does not affect the main benefits of Bitcoin as a payment system to transfer money from point A to point B. It is possible for businesses to convert bitcoin payments to their local currency instantly, allowing them to profit from the advantages of Bitcoin without being subjected to price fluctuations. Since Bitcoin offers many useful and unique features and properties, many users choose to use Bitcoin. With such solutions and incentives, it is possible that Bitcoin will mature and develop to a degree where price volatility will become limited.

In fact, in April 2016 Bitcoin's volatility reached record levels, close to that of gold, and other fiat pairs.

Thanks Blackmoon. Do you reckon that using smart contracts on block chain platforms is a win win and it will affect positively the fluctuations as the values of those cryptocoins are proportional?
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August 07, 2017, 11:22:21 AM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?

This is a chicken and egg situation. For bitcoin's price to stabilize, a large scale economy needs to develop with more businesses and users. For a large scale economy to develop, businesses and users will seek for price stability.

Fortunately, volatility does not affect the main benefits of Bitcoin as a payment system to transfer money from point A to point B. It is possible for businesses to convert bitcoin payments to their local currency instantly, allowing them to profit from the advantages of Bitcoin without being subjected to price fluctuations. Since Bitcoin offers many useful and unique features and properties, many users choose to use Bitcoin. With such solutions and incentives, it is possible that Bitcoin will mature and develop to a degree where price volatility will become limited.

In fact, in April 2016 Bitcoin's volatility reached record levels, close to that of gold, and other fiat pairs.

Thanks Blackmoon. Do you reckon that using smart contracts on block chain platforms is a win win and it will affect positively the fluctuations as the values of those cryptocoins are proportional?

Oh yes, it's win win exactly. When the world financial system organically implements bitcoin/alts/blockchain in itself, then there will be less fluctuations, I guess.
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August 07, 2017, 03:27:29 PM
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I agree with Blackmoon - the bigger the market capitalization gets the less volatile Bitcoin will become. So better enjoy it as long as it lasts!  Wink

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August 09, 2017, 03:21:22 PM
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volatility is a problem for bitcoin?
Volatility is a problem when you wish to run business and if you intend to store your coins instead of converting it into quick fiat.  The price might fall down in no time and might suffer substantial losses.
Same goes for buying things from time to time - the price going up and down can be an issue while transacting.
But volatility of bitcoin can be taken for your own advantage. Helps you to get some quick profit while trade, has its own risks though.


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August 09, 2017, 07:10:32 PM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?
Speculation and high hopes drives the price
Volatility creates opportunity to make profit for day traders.

Without swing in price trading bitcoin will not be profitable and it can't get buzz/demand like it have right now. So I think both speculation and price volatility is what makes bitcoin a digital gold and we are in digital gold rush phase.

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August 09, 2017, 08:45:30 PM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?
Speculation and high hopes drives the price
Volatility creates opportunity to make profit for day traders.

Without swing in price trading bitcoin will not be profitable and it can't get buzz/demand like it have right now. So I think both speculation and price volatility is what makes bitcoin a digital gold and we are in digital gold rush phase.

On the contrary to what the OP says, I agree with your point. Bitcoin price is drive by a lot of speculation. And this is where the traders took their profit from. From the day to day price swings of bitcoin. I think we should look at it in the positive way, similar to stocks, you buy low and sell high. Or when the market is super volatile you can buy at good prices and sell for a good price. So yeah, it creates a lot of opportunity specially for most traders.

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August 09, 2017, 08:50:38 PM
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The volatility is surely a problem for adoption, that said a whole eco system and economy has been built around it and it is thriving. We are talking billions of dollars and it is growing. The speculation is part of the fun and games.
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August 09, 2017, 09:13:13 PM
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Those two things pretty much go hand in hand,  I'd say.  Same is true for other volatile assets, including
other currencies.
Are they a problem?  Yes,  imo. Except the volatility is what attracts the speculators (including me) in the
first place.   If crypto was more stable,  it wouldn't be as exciting.   It'd be about as exciting as the USD.
Some people want that; I'll pass on that.  As a way to make money,  nothing beats crypto's volatility.
Also,  more speculators give the market more liquidity and that's a good thing.
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August 09, 2017, 11:14:40 PM
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Those two things pretty much go hand in hand,  I'd say.  Same is true for other volatile assets, including
other currencies.
Are they a problem?  Yes,  imo. Except the volatility is what attracts the speculators (including me) in the
first place.   If crypto was more stable,  it wouldn't be as exciting.   It'd be about as exciting as the USD.
Some people want that; I'll pass on that.  As a way to make money,  nothing beats crypto's volatility.
Also,  more speculators give the market more liquidity and that's a good thing.

Speculators form a very small part of the bitcoin community. If the high volatility discourages businesses from using bitcoins, speculators can't make up for it. I suspect speculators will be around even if bitcoin's volatility decreases a bit.


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August 10, 2017, 04:40:48 AM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?
I would say they are both problems and at the same time comes with its own prospect depending on which one you decide to see and make decision after all when the speculations goes right or wrong, it affects everybody rather than only the one who speculate but the problem I see there is that it keeps putting bitcoin in the category of emerging currency which big organisation that would change the fortune of the technology less interested in it's adoption.

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Digital currencies were mostly speculative in nature and just because of that volatility serve as an driving force carrying the trust of the users who are into digital currency usage. Also if volatility is not found with bitcoin, then it could have gained same value as the normal fiat. Now just because of the volatility bitcoin has got multiple usage and becomes more valuable than fiat.

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August 10, 2017, 06:28:13 AM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?

This is a chicken and egg situation. For bitcoin's price to stabilize, a large scale economy needs to develop with more businesses and users. For a large scale economy to develop, businesses and users will seek for price stability.

Fortunately, volatility does not affect the main benefits of Bitcoin as a payment system to transfer money from point A to point B. It is possible for businesses to convert bitcoin payments to their local currency instantly, allowing them to profit from the advantages of Bitcoin without being subjected to price fluctuations.

I'm going to disagree. Volatility DOES affect the ability of businesses to use bitcoin. For a start, bitcoin isn't "instant" anymore, it can take hours to confirm due to the small blocks, high fees and backlogs. By the time it does confirm, volatility can have made you a big fat loss.

IMO this is why we're not seeing adoption in the use of bitcoin as a currency, as opposed to as an asset.

Overstock has just enabled altcoins, in the hopes people use them instead. Lets wait and see if an alt emerges as a currency that can be actually used instead of bitcoin.

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August 10, 2017, 07:27:35 AM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?
Yes,speculation and volatility are big problems for crypto currencies,especially bitcoin.It is due to this volatility problem,some countries have not yet legalized bitcoin.Retailers don't come forward to accept bitcoin payments due to this volatile nature.But volatility is the nature of a decentralized currency and hence,it could not be solved completely.


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August 10, 2017, 10:16:30 AM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?

It is a problem. But it really can't be solved unless there are more people using bitcoin.

I think that Blackmoon crypto pretty much nailed this one. When more people start using bitcoin bitcoin will be seen as value itself. Right now, people are constantly checking bitcoin values in USD, but if bitcoin becomes mainstream people will just accept bitcoin "as-is", and price will stabilize.

Value is subjective, if everyone believes that bitcoin has a stable value, it will have a stable value.

But right now, not enough people use it and accept it. Volatility is actually good to some degree, imo. It means that bitcoin is independent of government intervention and is a truly free currency. Traders love it as well.

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August 10, 2017, 11:43:21 AM
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When more people start using bitcoin bitcoin will be seen as value itself. Right now, people are constantly checking bitcoin values in USD, but if bitcoin becomes mainstream people will just accept bitcoin "as-is", and price will stabilize.


As long as fees are high people simply won't use it. Nobody is going to pay $3 in fees when buying an item that costs $25.

When I first started in bitcoin, you could actually send stuff for no fees at all if your coins were aged enough. The good old days!

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August 10, 2017, 12:06:15 PM
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For the ecosystem isn't a problem at all because some people get attracted to Bitcoin because of the volatility and speculation, and stay because of Bitcoin's intrinsic value.

For the users isn't bad at all too because you can decide what level of risk you would like to take and how much you can invest and would be willing to risk. It is only a problem if you are not prepared or isn't mature enough yet

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August 10, 2017, 12:17:19 PM
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When more people start using bitcoin bitcoin will be seen as value itself. Right now, people are constantly checking bitcoin values in USD, but if bitcoin becomes mainstream people will just accept bitcoin "as-is", and price will stabilize.


As long as fees are high people simply won't use it. Nobody is going to pay $3 in fees when buying an item that costs $25.

When I first started in bitcoin, you could actually send stuff for no fees at all if your coins were aged enough. The good old days!

In recent days people worry about the fees because of fees has been increased to high value. After segwit2x  activation now transaction fees seems little bit increased and I expect localbitcoins to reduce the deposit fees or taken that away from the site.

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August 10, 2017, 02:29:00 PM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?
That's why so many known companies refuses to accept bitcoin as main payment method. But there are good alternatives to bitcoin which can do it's payment function under less volatile market conditions. I know few projects have this feature which can control daily percent change of token/coin. Anyway the world is not ready to fully transfer payment system to digital money.

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August 10, 2017, 02:29:45 PM
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Volatility for most people is a problem. But if you were to ask a trader, volatility is actually a beacon for them. It is an attractive feature. It offer traders the chance to help in regulating the price of btc. While speculation on the other hand is a factor for bitcoin price to pump. So I think for me, both are not mainly a problem but it actually depends on what kind of a bitcoin user are you.
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August 10, 2017, 11:18:31 PM
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For the ecosystem isn't a problem at all because some people get attracted to Bitcoin because of the volatility and speculation, and stay because of Bitcoin's intrinsic value.

For the users isn't bad at all too because you can decide what level of risk you would like to take and how much you can invest and would be willing to risk. It is only a problem if you are not prepared or isn't mature enough yet

How can you be so sure everyone is really having any attraction on bitcoin? Most of people sure going for bitcoin and nowadays their technology is really developing but still there is people that do not believe in bitcoin

And for the users, I think it just based on themselves whether they are going to get profit or not. Every steps sure have some risks but if you can overcome that, you will end up with goos profit for sure
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August 11, 2017, 01:59:23 AM
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Volatility has been an issue with Bitcoin since I can remember. But I am wondering: is volatility not a product of many people getting into Bitcoin? And if that is the case, the only way to control volatility is limiting people's access to Bitcoin? Or maybe establishing a central bank for Bitcoin that can easily intervene in the market anytime there is an uptick in Bitcoin?

One thing for sure, Bitcoin is very attractive to many of us (I believe we are all speculators with Bitcoin, right) because it can easily rise in value and this is where volatility is coming from, right? I am not an expert on this and I can be wrong though. Just correct me with any of my notions here.

Will controlling volatility makes Bitcoin more attractive to merchants but less attractive to us?
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August 11, 2017, 07:07:00 AM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?

Bitcoin and volatility will always be together whether we like it or not. Bitcoin is decentralized and volatility is a result of it. It depends on the supply and demand so volatility will stay. And since the volatility is there, we cannot avoid some speculations to happen. Volatility and speculations has been a part of Bitcoin and you cannot say that it is a problem.

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August 11, 2017, 10:08:00 AM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?

It's a problem for some but it's how others make a living.

It's a double edged sword, really. You have to cope with volatility if you are going to use bitcoin, that's for sure. And speculation and volatility are closely linked together, you cannot solve the problem of volatility without getting rid of wide spread speculation.

Personally, i am completely used to bitcoin being volatile. I believe that this is a temporary issue with anything that is decentralized and is still not mature. People are going to speculate. But as more people join the bitcoin revolution, the price will stabilize naturally as normal economic activity outweighs speculators.

By that stage, less volatility due to more actual users and merchants will lead to less volatility, and therefore less of a profit margin for speculators, and less volatility as a result.

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August 11, 2017, 10:27:02 AM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?

Some people will say that is a problem and some people will say that is what makes Bitcoin special. In my opinion I think that Bitcoin revolves around the idea that it is volatile and the prices will go up and down a lot. There are benefits to it as well as problems to it. To some people, that is how they make a lot of there money. Sell when the price is right and buy when the prices are lower.

We can't change it's volatility though since it is decentralised and the only way to make it more stable is to centralise it which will never happen.


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August 11, 2017, 12:46:36 PM
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Some services or stores that wish to receive payments in bitcoin but want to convert the payment into fiat immediately could use the services of Bitpay. For those who wish to accept bitcoin but don't want to get affected by the constantly changing price of bitcoin in USD should at least think about the idea since it's a given fact that bitcoin is a volatile asset. It's not really a problem at all however the fees is where most of the problems will go to.

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August 11, 2017, 01:22:11 PM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?

I don't think so, Bitcoin's volatility is the reason most of the people get or being attracted in investing on this digital currency, saying this, the word speculation comes. Speculation help investors and users to keep in mind what may happen in the near future. With that they can evade or keep their bitcoin from the near dumps or near pumps. All we got to do is to be active on this forum and just keep reading/

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August 11, 2017, 01:25:38 PM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?

After 9 years speculation and volatility still not a problem! But thanks for checking in!

Come back and double check in another 9 years, mmkay?

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August 12, 2017, 12:02:45 AM
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Volatility and speculation is not a problem for Bitcoin, infact that is one the reason why Bitcoin price is so high, speculation is going to make more demand and supply and that will drive the volatility to move, traders love volatility, when there is volatility the traders will try to make profit and that will create another fluctuating price, with more transactions Bitcoin will become more valuable

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August 12, 2017, 09:31:42 AM
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volatility can help us to make profit because it always changing so we can buy at lower price and sell in high price. speculation is good too as we can predict how much bitcoin will rise or how will bitcoin trend. if we are understand with this two, i am sure in the end we can follow no matter how much price is up or down and we can still make money from it.

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August 12, 2017, 10:26:13 AM
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volatility can help us to make profit because it always changing so we can buy at lower price and sell in high price. speculation is good too as we can predict how much bitcoin will rise or how will bitcoin trend. if we are understand with this two, i am sure in the end we can follow no matter how much price is up or down and we can still make money from it.

For me it's a normal scenarion of crypto currency since from the beginning you start your investment from it.  So those speculations is not the problem, but the real story is the investor's decision making ob how he handled their emotions on trading.
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August 12, 2017, 01:14:28 PM
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Without centralized control volatility problem can not be solved. I do think that this is not necessary. All users are accustomed to the roller coaster and learned to benefit from it. The market itself will put everything in its place.
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August 12, 2017, 03:37:30 PM
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I don't think speculation and volatility is a big problem for crypto-currency, instead I see it as a uniqueness point to attract more investors to invest into crypto-currency, as it is the only market in this world without having much government interference, and that is why someone could became a millionaire in one night due to the huge volatility of it.

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August 16, 2017, 07:38:30 AM
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Depending on what use bitcoin want to be, as a haven for investment and decentralized means of exchange or a mainstream currency used internationally. Volatility works for trading while stability for currency, if you ask me, it better a disruptive currency that it is, in the class of gold imo

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August 16, 2017, 08:00:39 AM
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I think its the reason why people come into cryptocurrency. I don't think it's a problem. But people would definitely think it as problem if they are using USD as its price isn't that volatile by day.

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August 16, 2017, 01:36:08 PM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?

Speculation and volatility is caused by free unregulated markets and relatively low volumes. Free markets are necessary for Bitcoin's existence, because mining is based on economic incentives - you invest some value in form of equipment and electricity to earn profit by selling your block rewards. Value of Bitcoin on regulated markets may not represent real value of Bitcoin on free markets, making mining harder to operate, thus disrupting the natural balance of Bitcoin. As for volume, it will keep growing and will make price more stable in the long run.

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August 16, 2017, 01:42:38 PM
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I think its the reason why people come into cryptocurrency. I don't think it's a problem. But people would definitely think it as problem if they are using USD as its price isn't that volatile by day.
For me, the price fluctuations of bitcoin are not the problem. Yes indeed you can lose some of their money because of falling prices, but a maximum of one month the price will return to its place and even increase. This is not a problem. A Fiat money is falling in value and never come back to place.
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August 16, 2017, 05:16:27 PM
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We're still in the process of finding the "right" price for Bitcoin, hence the volatility. It will decrease with growing market cap. Once Bitcoin becomes boring we know that we've succeeded Smiley

Until then volatility and speculation are what bootstrap the Bitcoin economy. Merchant adoption will only increase once Bitcoin's scalability has been improved with transaction fees reaching saner levels again.

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August 16, 2017, 07:35:39 PM
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For me, volatility is not a problem of bitcoin. It's just his personality. I had learned to deal with and it doesn't bother me. If the fall in prices continued for years, this could be a problem. Such volatility as we are seeing now can be seen as a virtue. It allows many people to earn good money.

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August 16, 2017, 07:52:41 PM
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Extreme volatility and speculative nature of the market is both problem and the greatest strength of bitcoin, or cryptocurrencies in general.
How do you think volatility and speculation is being dealt with in case of fiat? Of course, we have a central bank which is pulling the strings, controlling the money.
Fiat money is centrally steered, and for normal, everyday usage this is probably a good feature to have. But now imagine the value of your stashed fiat money after 20, 30, 40 years.
Not so fancy thought when your money will lose 30%, 30%, 40% purchasing power.


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There are people who have a negative thinking about the volatility and this being an speculative asset. Same time most of the users who have been making good earnings in term of bitcoin as well through other altcoins available were through the speculative approach and the price volatility happening in accordance to it. Based on this this isn't an issue for cryptocurrency.

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Speculation and volatility precipitate formation prices, as well those bitcoin and altcoin. speculation is best part of trading to take return from volatility. Isn't a problem, because cryptocurrency has value that can be a comparison against other.

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Volatility keeps investors interested in cryptos. Volatility offers various points for investment and withdrawing. Speculation is something that keep currency running. Speculation is second most effective price driving force after of course supply and demand. It might not be healthy. But volatility and speculations go hand in hand and thus can't be avoided in decentralised market as that of cryptos.

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August 30, 2017, 01:54:13 AM
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?

Bitcoin is traded on totally free market, and some people believe that it's the only way to determine the true value of something and that speculation and volatility are not inherently bad things. And on the contrary, regulated markets don't reflect true value of something, which eventually leads to a crisis. Also, volatility works both ways - sometimes you receive even more than was inteded, or spend less than later. And people receive Bitcoin are more likely to believe in it and hodl, which might pay off with a huge profit.

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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?

It might be a problem for traders but not to bitcoin popularity itself. It helps bitcoin where it stands right now. Public won't be aware if they see only stagnant price of bitcoin. The thrill and the risk making bitcoin more exciting to invest in.
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Hey guys! Just want to double check if speculation and volatility is a problem for bitcoin?
It is a problem for business and people like that, but for traders bitcoin is a dream come true, they can make in bitcoin in a day what they could make in the stock market so I’m sure for the true trader bitcoin could not be any better, it has great volatility and yet it is a very liquid market.



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