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August 11, 2017, 11:36:00 AM
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I'm in the process of developing a website dedicated to early bitcoin history.  Mike Hearn was gracious enough to contribute to the project by sharing his e-mail conversations with Satoshi.  Since these are never-before-seen writings of Satoshi, I thought others would enjoy having access to them now, rather than waiting for the website to go live.

Here they are:
https://pastebin.com/Na5FwkQ4
https://pastebin.com/cKZPC1rF
https://pastebin.com/wA9Jn100
https://pastebin.com/JF3USKFT
https://pastebin.com/syrmi3ET

If anyone else has anything they would like to share from early bitcoin times (2009-2010), please e-mail me at CipherionX@protonmail.com

Thanks!
-CipherionX

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August 11, 2017, 11:51:04 AM
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I like how Mike Hearn was eager to learn all the aspects of bitcoin in its infancy. He was genuinely curious when he sent those emails as far as I can see. Also, Satoshi answered and explained it in detail which makes me think that Satoshi really is a person of high intellect capable of explaining difficult technicalities in simpler terms.

I believe there are also some snippets of conversation here in this forum that Hal Finney posted. I'd try to take a look of it since Hal is one of the genesis miners which Satoshi came in contact with.

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August 11, 2017, 12:17:49 PM
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This is fascinating stuff. Thanks for your effort.
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August 11, 2017, 12:28:16 PM
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I won't be clicking on any unknown links. I'll wait for the Satoshi movie.


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August 11, 2017, 12:28:57 PM
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I'm in the process of developing a website dedicated to early bitcoin history.  Mike Hearn was gracious enough to contribute to the project by sharing his e-mail conversations with Satoshi.  Since these are never-before-seen writings of Satoshi, I thought others would enjoy having access to them now, rather than waiting for the website to go live.

Here they are:
https://pastebin.com/Na5FwkQ4
https://pastebin.com/cKZPC1rF
https://pastebin.com/wA9Jn100
https://pastebin.com/JF3USKFT
https://pastebin.com/syrmi3ET

If anyone else has anything they would like to share from early bitcoin times (2009-2010), please e-mail me at CipherionX@protonmail.com

Thanks!
-CipherionX

There is already one.

http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/

Why not work with the owner of that site? Not sure if the emails above is included.

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August 11, 2017, 12:34:07 PM
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Very nice to read these old emails.
Thanks for sharing!

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August 11, 2017, 12:40:16 PM
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I won't be clicking on any unknown links. I'll wait for the Satoshi movie.

relax dude, these are "pastebin" links which is a well known website for sharing "texts", usually it is code or something similar and in this case they are just email texts!

on a side note, what is the satoshi movie?

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August 11, 2017, 12:51:32 PM
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I'm in the process of developing a website dedicated to early bitcoin history.  Mike Hearn was gracious enough to contribute to the project by sharing his e-mail conversations with Satoshi.  Since these are never-before-seen writings of Satoshi, I thought others would enjoy having access to them now, rather than waiting for the website to go live.

Here they are:
https://pastebin.com/Na5FwkQ4
https://pastebin.com/cKZPC1rF
https://pastebin.com/wA9Jn100
https://pastebin.com/JF3USKFT
https://pastebin.com/syrmi3ET

If anyone else has anything they would like to share from early bitcoin times (2009-2010), please e-mail me at CipherionX@protonmail.com

Thanks!
-CipherionX
After reading some of the contents of the email, I couldn't but appreciate what you are doing here to go through a lot of stress for those archives and also for the contributor, he believed so much early at the time even some of us wouldn't have turn another eye to look at what is going on. For him as well as others who contribute to success of this project whether by commenting or by castigating. My sincere appreciation goes to them all in that even though Satoshi is the only one the light is shown upon, the are also expendable.

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Whoa.. I didn't know satoshi actually replies to emails ..

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After reading some of the contents of the email, I couldn't but appreciate what you are doing here to go through a lot of stress for those archives and also for the contributor, he believed so much early at the time even some of us wouldn't have turn another eye to look at what is going on.

Thank you.  Many early bitcoin developers are more than happy to share, while others are more reluctant, and some even combative at times.  I really appreciate those like Mike Hearn (and many others) who have been willing to share with me what they know.

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Thank you for sharing.

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The initial emails you shared between Satoshi and Mike Hearn are a fascinating read. Thanks for sharing them and best of luck on your project!
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something doesn't add up...why share these now???  What does Mike hearn stand to gain here is this an attempt for redemption of sorts?
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I also wonder if the assumption of 1 core = 1 vote is sound. If the
majority of nodes are on standard computers, it seems likely that an
attacker could use FPGA or custom ASICs


From mike hearn...to satoshi.....in 2009.... gtfo.... this smells FAKE

Look up smokestoomuch - here in the forum - he was the first to consider using GPUs to hash publicly, FPGAs, let alone asics weren't even on anyones radar - so I can't believe this is legit.

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This must be a joke:

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So many questions Smiley But it's rare that I encounter truly
revolutionary ideas. The last time I was this excited about a new
monetary scheme was when I discovered Ripple. If you have any thoughts
on Ripple, I'd also love to hear them.

Ripple?
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This must be a joke:

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So many questions Smiley But it's rare that I encounter truly
revolutionary ideas. The last time I was this excited about a new
monetary scheme was when I discovered Ripple. If you have any thoughts
on Ripple, I'd also love to hear them.

Ripple?

funny how mike hearn and satoshi are time travellers talking about XRP in 2009 when it wasnt even a thing until 2012

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A very good achievement. Thanks for the links and it is a nice read. It is nice to see history here since this is bitcointalk.  Grin

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Pretty cool, thanks for sharing. I wonder if Mike will ever return to the community?

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So many questions Smiley But it's rare that I encounter truly
revolutionary ideas. The last time I was this excited about a new
monetary scheme was when I discovered Ripple. If you have any thoughts
on Ripple, I'd also love to hear them.

Ripple?

funny how mike hearn and satoshi are time travellers talking about XRP in 2009 when it wasnt even a thing until 2012

I actually did some research and Ripple started in 2004.  The first iteration was RipplePay in 2005. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_(payment_protocol)#Early_development_.282004.E2.80.9312.29
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I'm in the process of developing a website dedicated to early bitcoin history.  Mike Hearn was gracious enough to contribute to the project by sharing his e-mail conversations with Satoshi.  Since these are never-before-seen writings of Satoshi, I thought others would enjoy having access to them now, rather than waiting for the website to go live.

Here they are:
https://pastebin.com/Na5FwkQ4
https://pastebin.com/cKZPC1rF
https://pastebin.com/wA9Jn100
https://pastebin.com/JF3USKFT
https://pastebin.com/syrmi3ET

If anyone else has anything they would like to share from early bitcoin times (2009-2010), please e-mail me at CipherionX@protonmail.com

Thanks!
-CipherionX

I hope that you are creating blog or website about the history of bitcoin early stage. Like, mike heran even Vitalik Buterin creator of ethereum. He can able to assist you create your site.
Other than you may aware pizza story for bitcoin and the time bitcoin price costs 1$. Graph and people can provide more details.

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So many questions Smiley But it's rare that I encounter truly
revolutionary ideas. The last time I was this excited about a new
monetary scheme was when I discovered Ripple. If you have any thoughts
on Ripple, I'd also love to hear them.

Ripple?

funny how mike hearn and satoshi are time travellers talking about XRP in 2009 when it wasnt even a thing until 2012

The original Ripple didn't even have XRP. That was added when I changed form a good idea to a scam.
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So many questions Smiley But it's rare that I encounter truly
revolutionary ideas. The last time I was this excited about a new
monetary scheme was when I discovered Ripple. If you have any thoughts
on Ripple, I'd also love to hear them.

Ripple?

funny how mike hearn and satoshi are time travellers talking about XRP in 2009 when it wasnt even a thing until 2012

The original Ripple didn't even have XRP. That was added when I changed form a good idea to a scam.

The e-mails say nothing about XRP - only Ripple.

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The good thing about Bitcoin is, we dont need Satoshi nakamoto anymore. Bitcoin has a dozen of developers already. Unlike other coins, when their founders or developer die. Their business will pause, and its coin price drops.

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That's really cool! "It's nice that anyone with a PC can play without worrying about what video card they have, and hopefully it'll stay that way for a while"!
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Thanks for sharing, it would likely be part of history of bitcoin. Those email sailed satoshi nakamoto as master of crypto currency. It will also be in debate for many years who really is satoshi nakamoto. Can't wait soon his identity be in public.
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I am very hesitant to accept this as "original" {unedited} emails from Satoshi, if Mike Hearn is involved. I do not trust

anything where he is involved in. In the first email Satoshi says this : " 65.The existing Visa credit card network processes about 15 million Internet purchases per day worldwide.  Bitcoin can already scale much larger than that with existing hardware for a fraction of the cost.  It never really hits a scale ceiling.  If you're interested, I can go over the ways it would cope with extreme size. "

....Forward about 8 years and "scaling" is the biggest issue we had to deal with in Bitcoin. He might not have seen this

coming, if he really said that.  Roll Eyes

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Well I really like the thing about the conversation of mike hearn and satoshi especially how mike started in learning what bitcoin can really do, and Satoshi started in explaining how the Visa credit card network processes about 15 million internet purchase per day and how bitcoin will top it up I can see the question mark on mike hearn's face while reading it but yeah he is now a developer, and in every interview with mike he would sai something like this "Bitcoin is an experiment and like all experiments, it can fail. So don’t invest what you can’t afford to lose". there is really a warning in giving your all to bitcoin and there is still a risk in investing it, although it became successful throughout the years.

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Wow!

This is pretty neat to see actual replies back and forth.

Are these brand new, as in nobody has ever seen them before besides Mike? Why did Mike decide to give you these anyways?

Still, very nice to read through these and we can see a glimpse into how Satoshi was and  how he corresponded. That gives us all insight into how BTC was designed better and some behind the scenes extras!

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Well I don't know how could Satoshi expect Bitcoin to be a replacement of Visa and other payment processors while even a 8MB block size is not

Merely enough to process %20 of the transactions Visa is processing every day. the only comments I believe are truly from Satoshi himself are the

Posts which he submitted in this forum alone, the rest could be very well forged. if you recall ever since Bitcoin's price increased past $600 there has

Been all sorts of claim, from fake claims of being Satoshi to mining Bitcoin cash with the same "Unknown" nick name to indicate that the same person

Mining under this name is the same unknown entity that mined genesis block of Bitcoin.
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Wow!

This is pretty neat to see actual replies back and forth.

Are these brand new, as in nobody has ever seen them before besides Mike? Why did Mike decide to give you these anyways?

Still, very nice to read through these and we can see a glimpse into how Satoshi was and  how he corresponded. That gives us all insight into how BTC was designed better and some behind the scenes extras!

Mike shared the first one publicly before (https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/54-my-first-message-to-satoshi/), and has quoted bits and pieces of some of the others.

He actually thought they had been published already.  He had previously forwarded them to Charles Hoskinson (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191508.0), who never did anything with them.

I'm learning that, even though hundreds of people have spent countless hours speculating about Satoshi, few people actually asked the original developers to share what they knew.

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I won't be clicking on any unknown links. I'll wait for the Satoshi movie.

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glad that these messages still safe I remember seeing those emails when I just joined the Bitcoin system. it was back on 2011.i trust Pastebin links so relax there are no virus or infection in those texts. if anyone spends a little time reading those conversations between Satoshi then they can get a clear picture of what kind of stuff is implemented into bitcoin.


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Shameful. Shameful if they're legit, shameful if they're edited.

Here was my response to "CipherionX"'s attempts at getting leaks.

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Publishing someone's private messages without their consent is
generally considered unethical.  In some situations it is less of a
big deal and may be excusable, in others it is a really big deal.

Satoshi didn't make those emails public and I think it's not really
anyone elses right to do so. If he wanted them public, presumably he
would have made them public or would make them public now.  Breaking
his trust is a disrespect to the great contribution he made to the
world.

Publication of his private emails may create personal risk of theft or
physical harm for him and his family. The damage created from a loss
of privacy can't be undone and it may not be obvious from even careful
analysis what elements of a message may be revealing. Even the
smallest of details could be potentially identifying. Disclosure of
his private correspondence may have terrible consequences, far worse
than publishing most other person's private emails.

From message which have previously been leaked, we know that Satoshi
complained about the fixating and focusing on him and his identity.
Too bad the people he complained about doing this did not respect his
wishes.

His private messages have also been utilized by scammers to aid their
inept impersonations.

Obsession with Bitcoin's creator detracts from the greatness of his
accomplishment: he built a system where it doesn't matter who created
it or why-- because we don't have to trust it or each other.

I hope that people will delete private messages they have and forever
protect them from disclosure rather than publish them.

I have done so, and whatever I have or find I will not disclose and
will continue to endeavor to secure so that I cannot disclose it
through error or future weakness.  Perhaps if you sit back and
consider this some you will realize that there is some merit to these
points, and you'll choose to abandon this project. I hope you do.

Cheers,

Bitcoin will not be compromised
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I am very hesitant to accept this as "original" {unedited} emails from Satoshi, if Mike Hearn is involved. I do not trust

anything where he is involved in. In the first email Satoshi says this : " 65.The existing Visa credit card network processes about 15 million Internet purchases per day worldwide.  Bitcoin can already scale much larger than that with existing hardware for a fraction of the cost.  It never really hits a scale ceiling.  If you're interested, I can go over the ways it would cope with extreme size. "

....Forward about 8 years and "scaling" is the biggest issue we had to deal with in Bitcoin. He might not have seen this

coming, if he really said that.  Roll Eyes


THIS!
I don't buy this for a millisecond! there is no way to prove that any of these transcripts are authentic.  Specially coming from someone like Mike.  Sorry, but we already have Nakamoto institute where all of satoshi's actual provable conversations are available for everyone to read.  Anything "personal" I'm going to pass on it.   If you guys want, give me a few week and i'll find the conversation I had with satoshi myself!  It's a great read. 

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Wow!

This is pretty neat to see actual replies back and forth.

Are these brand new, as in nobody has ever seen them before besides Mike? Why did Mike decide to give you these anyways?

Still, very nice to read through these and we can see a glimpse into how Satoshi was and  how he corresponded. That gives us all insight into how BTC was designed better and some behind the scenes extras!

Mike shared the first one publicly before (https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/54-my-first-message-to-satoshi/), and has quoted bits and pieces of some of the others.

He actually thought they had been published already.  He had previously forwarded them to Charles Hoskinson (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191508.0), who never did anything with them.

I'm learning that, even though hundreds of people have spent countless hours speculating about Satoshi, few people actually asked the original developers to share what they knew.



>He had previously forwarded them to Charles Hoskinson

Charles. Hoskinson. Another red flag! Now I know this is BS.

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Shameful.

Here was my response to "CipherionX"'s attempts at getting leaks.

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Publishing someone's private messages without their consent is
generally considered unethical.  In some situations it is less of a
big deal and may be excusable, in others it is a really big deal.

Satoshi didn't make those emails public and I think it's not really
anyone elses right to do so. If he wanted them public, presumably he
would have made them public or would make them public now.  Breaking
his trust is a disrespect to the great contribution he made to the
world.

Publication of his private emails may create personal risk of theft or
physical harm for him and his family. The damage created from a loss
of privacy can't be undone and it may not be obvious from even careful
analysis what elements of a message may be revealing. Even the
smallest of details could be potentially identifying. Disclosure of
his private correspondence may have terrible consequences, far worse
than publishing most other person's private emails.

From message which have previously been leaked, we know that Satoshi
complained about the fixating and focusing on him and his identity.
Too bad the people he complained about doing this did not respect his
wishes.

His private messages have also been utilized by scammers to aid their
inept impersonations.

Obsession with Bitcoin's creator detracts from the greatness of his
accomplishment: he built a system where it doesn't matter who created
it or why-- because we don't have to trust it or each other.

I hope that people will delete private messages they have and forever
protect them from disclosure rather than publish them.

I have done so, and whatever I have or find I will not disclose and
will continue to endeavor to secure so that I cannot disclose it
through error or future weakness.  Perhaps if you sit back and
consider this some you will realize that there is some merit to these
points, and you'll choose to abandon this project. I hope you do.

Cheers,

That is an interesting point from the Privacy Perspective ...

I am doing some research on protected health information (PHI) and reading some HIPAA rules ... there is an interest debate on how to share medical information without share personal information (De/RE-identification problem)

http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/abs/10.1142/S0218488502001648

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Shameful. Shameful if they're legit, shameful if they're edited.
...

I appreciate your perspective, Greg.  I had these e-mails for a couple of weeks now, and I took the time to analyze each sentence closely before sharing.  I was unable to find anything that points in one person's direction, although that's not to say there isn't something there.  There's just so much history in these e-mails that I really didn't want to disappear.

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Wow, thanks op. Once again i proved to myself how stupid i am when it comes to these things. But damn! I also realized how smart/intelligent a human can really be, not just because he  managed to make bitcoins but also by the way he addresses questions and answer them appropriately wow, just wow, and also mike is really amazing he was so eager to learn and you can see that he is really sincere on his questions.. this right here is pure gold. Even if I didn't understand a lot of what they were talking about, i could sense the importance of this convo in the history of btc.. i hope a lot of people will also be able to get to read this convo between satoshi amd mike..
Thanks again op for sharing this very important part of history..

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Thank you very much. It is very interesting to learn from original and beginning on. Now I am beginning to understand the technical aspects of bitcoin and blockchain. Was also not aware, that also ripple existed already.



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What else are you going to put on your website? Will there be any videos? Thank you for your contribution to our community!

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honestly ... cypher punks mail list ...

who invented that

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I have a feeling this will be an historic thread.
We haven't seen anything from Satoshi in 7 years and suddenly this?
Someone should post this on Reddit I think it will go viral.
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August 11, 2017, 09:20:19 PM
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This is a gem, almost touching. Reading these pioneering conversations between Mika Hearn and Satoshi is really exciting. Too bad that a genius like Satoshi don't write anything new anymore, he could still teach us lots of things. Also, reading these emails I think Satoshi was pretty confident Bitcoin would become a huge success...

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Why do people believe this fake shit, emails addressed as 2009 and ripple was 2012
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August 11, 2017, 09:32:55 PM
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I like how Mike Hearn was eager to learn all the aspects of bitcoin in its infancy. He was genuinely curious when he sent those emails as far as I can see. Also, Satoshi answered and explained it in detail which makes me think that Satoshi really is a person of high intellect capable of explaining difficult technicalities in simpler terms.

I believe there are also some snippets of conversation here in this forum that Hal Finney posted. I'd try to take a look of it since Hal is one of the genesis miners which Satoshi came in contact with.

I'd love to read those emails between satoshi and hal. He had the first bitcoin transaction ever sent to him. How cool would that be!? Obviously he never got to see where bitcoins ended up but wow. What a pioneer just like satoshi.

Thanks for sharing these. It's really cool to see words spoken from satoshi that have never been seen before.
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I read the messages with great interest, thanks. I believe satoshi nakamoto is a great inventor and smart person.

I had a question while reading these messages of early stages of bitcoin:

what if satoshi nakamoto sold or lost all his bitcoins, and living a pretty humble life right now?

Maybe that is why he does not reveal himself Smiley

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Fantastic, it is nice to be in the age of crypto and then to further unearth small nuggets of info from and about the infamous Satoshi Nakamoto, keep it up!
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@CipherionX That is a wonderful project and keep them rolling,it is a new input for me personally as i have never seen this documentation and emails earlier,it is really good to read their communication when it all started and i would like to see more details and persons coming forward with their early communication with the legend.


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Why do people believe this fake shit, emails addressed as 2009 and ripple was 2012
Ripple was released in 2012 but was in early development between 2004–2012. (was first developed in 2004 by Ryan Fugger)

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I won't be clicking on any unknown links. I'll wait for the Satoshi movie.

relax dude, these are "pastebin" links which is a well known website for sharing "texts", usually it is code or something similar and in this case they are just email texts!

on a side note, what is the satoshi movie?
Lmao, what's with the Satoshi Movie? I really want to watch that movie...

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>He had previously forwarded them to Charles Hoskinson

Charles. Hoskinson. Another red flag! Now I know this is BS.

Excuse me? Who are you exactly and what have I done to deserve such a harsh attack? I have nothing to do with the OP and also decided not to share my archive after amassing many emails.

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Charles. Hoskinson. Another red flag! Now I know this is BS.

Excuse me? Who are you exactly and what have I done to deserve such a harsh attack?

I will never understand why the bitcoin community insists on constant personal attacks.  The divisiveness is getting tiring.

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I have nothing to do with the OP and also decided not to share my archive after amassing many emails.

Why haven't you shared your archive?  In your original post, you very clearly gave the intention that what you received you would then share with the bitcoin community.  Why suddenly keep that to yourself?  Those who shared with you intended for those e-mails to be published.  We would love to see what you have.  If you'd like, I will gladly help you go through the e-mails line by line and analyze them to determine if they seem safe enough to share (just like I did with Mike's e-mails).

In an attempt to preserve the history of bitcoin, I am trying to archive Satoshi's correspondence with members of this forum. I've created an email address:

satoshiarchive@gmail.com

If satoshi ever emailed you about Bitcoin or anything else you feel comfortable sharing, then please send a copy to the above address. I assume you verified his identity Smiley

Thanks everyone for being part of history. You guys moved mountains.

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This ....

"Bitcoin can already scale much larger than (Visa) with existing hardware for a fraction of the cost.  It never really hits a scale ceiling." ~ Satoshi

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"Bitcoin can already scale much larger than (Visa) with existing hardware for a fraction of the cost.  It never really hits a scale ceiling." ~ Satoshi

Yeah, that is interesting. My guess would be that he's saying a single node could operate at that scale for less than the total operations of Visa. That could be true.

As for the "scale ceiling", I think he's arguing that there isn't a quadratic (or higher) growth in cost. Which I think is also probably true in general. I haven't seen a convincing argument against it at least. I'm aware of the quadratic cost in signatures, but that's as the size of a transaction grows rather than as the number of transactions go.

Really a very different perspective than certain key developers today who emphatically claim that 8MB is scary and dangerous.
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I think I read somewhere that Theymos? has more emails/private messages that he would eventually publish in 2020 or something like that?

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"Bitcoin can already scale much larger than (Visa) with existing hardware for a fraction of the cost.  It never really hits a scale ceiling." ~ Satoshi

Yeah, that is interesting. My guess would be that he's saying a single node could operate at that scale for less than the total operations of Visa. That could be true.

As for the "scale ceiling", I think he's arguing that there isn't a quadratic (or higher) growth in cost. Which I think is also probably true in general. I haven't seen a convincing argument against it at least. I'm aware of the quadratic cost in signatures, but that's as the size of a transaction grows rather than as the number of transactions go.

Really a very different perspective than certain key developers today who emphatically claim that 8MB is scary and dangerous.

Here Satoshi breaks it all down during a discussion of client-only mode. https://pastebin.com/wA9Jn100

It seems he liked to keep things simple, rather than the current trend of increasing complexity.  Wink

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Why haven't you shared your archive?  In your original post, you very clearly gave the intention that what you received you would then share with the bitcoin community.  Why suddenly keep that to yourself?  Those who shared with you intended for those e-mails to be published.  We would love to see what you have.  If you'd like, I will gladly help you go through the e-mails line by line and analyze them to determine if they seem safe enough to share (just like I did with Mike's e-mails).

There was some content that upon further reflection was somewhat personal and could potentially be used in an attempt to DOX Satoshi. Second, I realized that people would use the emails to justify whatever roadmap position they have. It was a bad idea to attempt to construct the archive.

Satoshi is gone and not coming back. We should respect his wishes and let him go. Bitcoin moved on.

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Wow!

This is pretty neat to see actual replies back and forth.

Are these brand new, as in nobody has ever seen them before besides Mike? Why did Mike decide to give you these anyways?

Still, very nice to read through these and we can see a glimpse into how Satoshi was and  how he corresponded. That gives us all insight into how BTC was designed better and some behind the scenes extras!

Mike shared the first one publicly before (https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/54-my-first-message-to-satoshi/), and has quoted bits and pieces of some of the others.

He actually thought they had been published already.  He had previously forwarded them to Charles Hoskinson (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191508.0), who never did anything with them.

I'm learning that, even though hundreds of people have spent countless hours speculating about Satoshi, few people actually asked the original developers to share what they knew.

Sweet, thanks for the link to that. I am going to check these out. I swear I haven't seen these before and its a good insight like I said. Always helps to see the mind of someone who invented something so great.

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It is fun reading the letters of the great founder himself. Like, it was only a kind of a small idea before and look at it right now. The idea has gotten so really really huge and became a reality even geniuses stunned in awe.

I stumbled upon Ripple in one of Satoshi's email. What does it refer to? Thanks!
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nice to know that satoshi is a big blocker
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I'm in the process of developing a website dedicated to early bitcoin history.  Mike Hearn was gracious enough to contribute to the project by sharing his e-mail conversations with Satoshi.  Since these are never-before-seen writings of Satoshi, I thought others would enjoy having access to them now, rather than waiting for the website to go live.

Here they are:
https://pastebin.com/Na5FwkQ4
https://pastebin.com/cKZPC1rF
https://pastebin.com/wA9Jn100
https://pastebin.com/JF3USKFT
https://pastebin.com/syrmi3ET

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Thank you for sharing. I read some email contents and they are very interesting and easy to read.

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I'm in the process of developing a website dedicated to early bitcoin history.  Mike Hearn was gracious enough to contribute to the project by sharing his e-mail conversations with Satoshi.  Since these are never-before-seen writings of Satoshi, I thought others would enjoy having access to them now, rather than waiting for the website to go live.

Here they are:
https://pastebin.com/Na5FwkQ4
https://pastebin.com/cKZPC1rF
https://pastebin.com/wA9Jn100
https://pastebin.com/JF3USKFT
https://pastebin.com/syrmi3ET

If anyone else has anything they would like to share from early bitcoin times (2009-2010), please e-mail me at CipherionX@protonmail.com

Thanks!
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Very interesting indeed. Thank you very much for sharing. I wish you all the best with the project. I can't wait to learn even more about the bitcoin history.

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Ripple was a fledgeling project before Bitcoin as even the simplest of Wiki searches will show you. Read past the first sentence about the release date and look at the early development years before you jump up and down shouting the emails must be fake because of this 'fact'.

Secondly, Satoshi tapped out after starting something that changed the world. Mike has every right to share these historic conversations in my opinion.

Interesting how the only people dead against it are small blockers, because what's written in these emails again reinforces that Satoshi always intended for Bitcoin to scale by way of block size increase.
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If these are legit, it would be a confirmation that Satoshi mined the block #5326, as block reward from that block is sent by Satoshi to Mike Hearn.

Mike: I sent you 32.51 coins, my bitcoin address is 1JuEjh9znXwqsy5RrnKqgzqY4Ldg7rnj5n

Satoshi: I sent back 32.51 and 50.00. (https://blockchain.info/address/1JuEjh9znXwqsy5RrnKqgzqY4Ldg7rnj5n)

This is interesting, because if you go back to the old ExtraNonce analysis by Sergio (https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/), block #5326 fits the pattern of this early miner with a distinct ExtraNonce pattern, and would be the first (?) direct evidence, that this miner was in fact Satoshi.
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Why haven't you shared your archive?  In your original post, you very clearly gave the intention that what you received you would then share with the bitcoin community.  Why suddenly keep that to yourself?  Those who shared with you intended for those e-mails to be published.  We would love to see what you have.  If you'd like, I will gladly help you go through the e-mails line by line and analyze them to determine if they seem safe enough to share (just like I did with Mike's e-mails).

There was some content that upon further reflection was somewhat personal and could potentially be used in an attempt to DOX Satoshi. Second, I realized that people would use the emails to justify whatever roadmap position they have. It was a bad idea to attempt to construct the archive.

Satoshi is gone and not coming back. We should respect his wishes and let him go. Bitcoin moved on.

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Why haven't you shared your archive?  In your original post, you very clearly gave the intention that what you received you would then share with the bitcoin community.  Why suddenly keep that to yourself?  Those who shared with you intended for those e-mails to be published.  We would love to see what you have.  If you'd like, I will gladly help you go through the e-mails line by line and analyze them to determine if they seem safe enough to share (just like I did with Mike's e-mails).

There was some content that upon further reflection was somewhat personal and could potentially be used in an attempt to DOX Satoshi. Second, I realized that people would use the emails to justify whatever roadmap position they have. It was a bad idea to attempt to construct the archive.

Satoshi is gone and not coming back. We should respect his wishes and let him go. Bitcoin moved on.

"Never say never."

Yes, most of us hope Satoshi will come back. But not because we need a leader, or even a dictator to say what we must do, but because he is (was?) a real genius and it's sad to not read his wise words.

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So many questions Smiley But it's rare that I encounter truly
revolutionary ideas. The last time I was this excited about a new
monetary scheme was when I discovered Ripple. If you have any thoughts
on Ripple, I'd also love to hear them.

Ripple?

funny how mike hearn and satoshi are time travellers talking about XRP in 2009 when it wasnt even a thing until 2012

The original Ripple didn't even have XRP. That was added when I changed form a good idea to a scam.

The e-mails say nothing about XRP - only Ripple.


I should have just taken the few moments to read further rather than making this more about whether or not it was factual. I'm sorry for casting strong doubts towards you initially. My mistake.

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If these are legit, it would be a confirmation that Satoshi mined the block #5326, as block reward from that block is sent by Satoshi to Mike Hearn.

Mike: I sent you 32.51 coins, my bitcoin address is 1JuEjh9znXwqsy5RrnKqgzqY4Ldg7rnj5n

Satoshi: I sent back 32.51 and 50.00. (https://blockchain.info/address/1JuEjh9znXwqsy5RrnKqgzqY4Ldg7rnj5n)

This is interesting, because if you go back to the old ExtraNonce analysis by Sergio (https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/), block #5326 fits the pattern of this early miner with a distinct ExtraNonce pattern, and would be the first (?) direct evidence, that this miner was in fact Satoshi.

Parts of these emails are indeed not legit, but what you go on to say might well be worthy of further investigation. Thank you.

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Why haven't you shared your archive?  In your original post, you very clearly gave the intention that what you received you would then share with the bitcoin community.  Why suddenly keep that to yourself?  Those who shared with you intended for those e-mails to be published.  We would love to see what you have.  If you'd like, I will gladly help you go through the e-mails line by line and analyze them to determine if they seem safe enough to share (just like I did with Mike's e-mails).

There was some content that upon further reflection was somewhat personal and could potentially be used in an attempt to DOX Satoshi. Second, I realized that people would use the emails to justify whatever roadmap position they have. It was a bad idea to attempt to construct the archive.

Satoshi is gone and not coming back. We should respect his wishes and let him go. Bitcoin moved on.

I wouldn't be surprised if Satoshi was around right now, under a completely different name. It's what I would have done - abandoned the old pseudonym and started over with a new one and hide in plain sight.

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Nice deflection Mike.

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Im skeptical, but they probably are real. I wish hearn had published them prior to his exit from bitcoin and the development team as a whole.

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on Ripple, I'd also love to hear them.

Ripple?

funny how mike hearn and satoshi are time travellers talking about XRP in 2009 when it wasnt even a thing until 2012
Got me startled too to find "Ripple" mentioned in that first email and that was as far back as 2009, what exactly are we looking at? And now what does Ripple represent?

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Im skeptical, but they probably are real. I wish hearn had published them prior to his exit from bitcoin and the development team as a whole.

Whether real or not should be immaterial. You should be able to figure out what is right or wrong in Bitcoin, without needing a "messiah" figure to tell you.

They are real, though, I agree.

The GMax butthurt is irrefutable confirmation of that.

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revolutionary ideas. The last time I was this excited about a new
monetary scheme was when I discovered Ripple. If you have any thoughts
on Ripple, I'd also love to hear them.

Ripple?

funny how mike hearn and satoshi are time travellers talking about XRP in 2009 when it wasnt even a thing until 2012
Got me startled too to find "Ripple" mentioned in that first email and that was as far back as 2009, what exactly are we looking at? And now what does Ripple represent?

ripple as a 'system' existed. Ripple as a cripplecoin came much later.

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something doesn't add up...why share these now???  What does Mike hearn stand to gain here is this an attempt for redemption of sorts?
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majority of nodes are on standard computers, it seems likely that an
attacker could use FPGA or custom ASICs


From mike hearn...to satoshi.....in 2009.... gtfo.... this smells FAKE

Look up smokestoomuch - here in the forum - he was the first to consider using GPUs to hash publicly, FPGAs, let alone asics weren't even on anyones radar - so I can't believe this is legit.

Just because you did not hear about ASICs until 2017, doesn't mean others were not aware of the potential effect they would have on Bitcoin.

This suggestion is perfectly reasonable. Do you think a random individual would attack using GPUs? I don't think so. Not even back in 2010.

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Why did Satoshi abandon his idea of built in escrow with a release for merchant use? He said it was a good idea and would be needed...then nothing?

Too hard to build in?

Also funny how he was aware of ripple... if memory serves me right the founder of that and still going was once thought to be Satoshi. For sure he had contact with him as well.

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Whoa.. I didn't know satoshi actually replies to emails ..
Satoshi disappeared a long time ago, but when he was active he was like a normal person he had interactions with people through emails, in fact he used to have an account in this forum an account that has long been inactive like all the accounts that belonged to the genius we know as satoshi.

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Thank you so much for sharing this great wisdom of writings.This guys always one step ahead of world and future.Btw anyone can tell satoshi was native english speaker?

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August 13, 2017, 03:48:14 AM
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It's nice to see a bit of history of how it started. They can just easily send that amount before because it has no significant value but now even one bitcoin is hard to accumulate. I hope OP will share more of the history to know more of how the genius started it all.

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I don't know much about Satoshi, as I know he is very mysterious person, no one knows exactly where he came from and where is he today, but no one can deny that Satoshi is the creator of the first digital currency in The world we know as bitcoin today. His discovery is so great in the world of cryptocurrency, He's like an anonymous hero who no one wants to know. I hope someday he will show himself, because there are many people who want say "thank you" to him.
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Im skeptical, but they probably are real. I wish hearn had published them prior to his exit from bitcoin and the development team as a whole.

Mike did show up in the reddit thread created by OP and vouched for the validity of them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6t2ci2/never_before_seen_mike_hearn_satoshi_nakamoto/dliizv6/
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I like how professional Satoshi always is. Never a slip up.

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always interesting to read, thanks

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thanks for sharing! very informative info and shows how far ahead Satoshi thought!

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Its so nice reading such article nowadays...
It makes you realize the development of btc...
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Btw anyone can tell satoshi was native english speaker?

This could be something interesting to know. From what I saw I don't think it was an English mother tongue... Anyway we have to wait for someone more expert than us.

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I'm in the process of developing a website dedicated to early bitcoin history.  Mike Hearn was gracious enough to contribute to the project by sharing his e-mail conversations with Satoshi.  Since these are never-before-seen writings of Satoshi, I thought others would enjoy having access to them now, rather than waiting for the website to go live.

Here they are:
https://pastebin.com/Na5FwkQ4
https://pastebin.com/cKZPC1rF
https://pastebin.com/wA9Jn100
https://pastebin.com/JF3USKFT
https://pastebin.com/syrmi3ET

If anyone else has anything they would like to share from early bitcoin times (2009-2010), please e-mail me at CipherionX@protonmail.com

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Post your website after you set it up I'm sure it will be interesting to those late comers like me who just entered the bitcoin scene in 2013 and by the way thanks for posting this, I'm sure supporters will see the works of satoshi progressing

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Thank you so much for taking the effort and time to compile all these emails. It is just great looking back how all this bitcoin technology was invented by the visionary Satoshi Nakamoto. This is a history that everybody will relish looking back.


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This ....

"Bitcoin can already scale much larger than (Visa) with existing hardware for a fraction of the cost.  It never really hits a scale ceiling." ~ Satoshi

Yeah, that is interesting. My guess would be that he's saying a single node could operate at that scale for less than the total operations of Visa. That could be true.

As for the "scale ceiling", I think he's arguing that there isn't a quadratic (or higher) growth in cost. Which I think is also probably true in general. I haven't seen a convincing argument against it at least. I'm aware of the quadratic cost in signatures, but that's as the size of a transaction grows rather than as the number of transactions go.

Really a very different perspective than certain key developers today who emphatically claim that 8MB is scary and dangerous.

Here Satoshi breaks it all down during a discussion of client-only mode. https://pastebin.com/wA9Jn100

It seems he liked to keep things simple, rather than the current trend of increasing complexity.  Wink

But simple things do not need much control... so what should devs do?

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If these are legit, it would be a confirmation that Satoshi mined the block #5326, as block reward from that block is sent by Satoshi to Mike Hearn.

Mike: I sent you 32.51 coins, my bitcoin address is 1JuEjh9znXwqsy5RrnKqgzqY4Ldg7rnj5n

Satoshi: I sent back 32.51 and 50.00. (https://blockchain.info/address/1JuEjh9znXwqsy5RrnKqgzqY4Ldg7rnj5n)

This is interesting, because if you go back to the old ExtraNonce analysis by Sergio (https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/), block #5326 fits the pattern of this early miner with a distinct ExtraNonce pattern, and would be the first (?) direct evidence, that this miner was in fact Satoshi.

Parts of these emails are indeed not legit, but what you go on to say might well be worthy of further investigation. Thank you.

Prove before you smear your shit.

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If these are legit, it would be a confirmation that Satoshi mined the block #5326, as block reward from that block is sent by Satoshi to Mike Hearn.

Mike: I sent you 32.51 coins, my bitcoin address is 1JuEjh9znXwqsy5RrnKqgzqY4Ldg7rnj5n

Satoshi: I sent back 32.51 and 50.00. (https://blockchain.info/address/1JuEjh9znXwqsy5RrnKqgzqY4Ldg7rnj5n)

This is interesting, because if you go back to the old ExtraNonce analysis by Sergio (https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/), block #5326 fits the pattern of this early miner with a distinct ExtraNonce pattern, and would be the first (?) direct evidence, that this miner was in fact Satoshi.

Parts of these emails are indeed not legit, but what you go on to say might well be worthy of further investigation. Thank you.

Prove before you smear your shit.

Some of the reasons are in here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg20814535#msg20814535
As they are mostly based on linguistics, it may be hard for you to follow.

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Extremely interesting stuff and very much appreciated. The Ripple connection is kind of incredible. I have heard of this before but it's really something to see it in old emails.






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revolutionary ideas. The last time I was this excited about a new
monetary scheme was when I discovered Ripple. If you have any thoughts
on Ripple, I'd also love to hear them.

Ripple?

funny how mike hearn and satoshi are time travellers talking about XRP in 2009 when it wasnt even a thing until 2012

I actually did some research and Ripple started in 2004.  The first iteration was RipplePay in 2005. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_(payment_protocol)#Early_development_.282004.E2.80.9312.29
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The emails are from 2009? why you say they are new? And were they signed with his bitcoin address as well?

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The emails are from 2009? why you say they are new? And were they signed with his bitcoin address as well?

I don't think the OP is credible enough with this information about satoshis emails so I think we should all discard it and treat it with the contempt it deserves. A lot of people tend to seek fame one way or the other trying to associate with satoshi and I think we must discourage them to stop .



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Wow really nice reading material, thanks for sharing

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If these are legit, it would be a confirmation that Satoshi mined the block #5326, as block reward from that block is sent by Satoshi to Mike Hearn.

Mike: I sent you 32.51 coins, my bitcoin address is 1JuEjh9znXwqsy5RrnKqgzqY4Ldg7rnj5n

Satoshi: I sent back 32.51 and 50.00. (https://blockchain.info/address/1JuEjh9znXwqsy5RrnKqgzqY4Ldg7rnj5n)

This is interesting, because if you go back to the old ExtraNonce analysis by Sergio (https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/), block #5326 fits the pattern of this early miner with a distinct ExtraNonce pattern, and would be the first (?) direct evidence, that this miner was in fact Satoshi.

Parts of these emails are indeed not legit, but what you go on to say might well be worthy of further investigation. Thank you.

Prove before you smear your shit.

Some of the reasons are in here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg20814535#msg20814535
As they are mostly based on linguistics, it may be hard for you to follow.

Sure, thats what I knew already. Proof that you are a troll. No other logic needed.

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I'm in the process of developing a website dedicated to early bitcoin history.  Mike Hearn was gracious enough to contribute to the project by sharing his e-mail conversations with Satoshi.  Since these are never-before-seen writings of Satoshi, I thought others would enjoy having access to them now, rather than waiting for the website to go live.

Here they are:
https://pastebin.com/Na5FwkQ4
https://pastebin.com/cKZPC1rF
https://pastebin.com/wA9Jn100
https://pastebin.com/JF3USKFT
https://pastebin.com/syrmi3ET

If anyone else has anything they would like to share from early bitcoin times (2009-2010), please e-mail me at CipherionX@protonmail.com

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I like how Mike Hearn was eager to learn all the aspects of bitcoin in its infancy. He was genuinely curious when he sent those emails as far as I can see. Also, Satoshi answered and explained it in detail which makes me think that Satoshi really is a person of high intellect capable of explaining difficult technicalities in simpler terms.

I believe there are also some snippets of conversation here in this forum that Hal Finney posted. I'd try to take a look of it since Hal is one of the genesis miners which Satoshi came in contact with.
Yes, he was a person of high intellect and he’s very smart. Lol, this guy invented something like this, and we should learn to appreciate. When we talk about real superheroes, this guy is one of them. The best inventor, and a smarter person. I hope he knows how much he has done by just inventing Bitcoin.

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If these are legit, it would be a confirmation that Satoshi mined the block #5326, as block reward from that block is sent by Satoshi to Mike Hearn.

Mike: I sent you 32.51 coins, my bitcoin address is 1JuEjh9znXwqsy5RrnKqgzqY4Ldg7rnj5n

Satoshi: I sent back 32.51 and 50.00. (https://blockchain.info/address/1JuEjh9znXwqsy5RrnKqgzqY4Ldg7rnj5n)

This is interesting, because if you go back to the old ExtraNonce analysis by Sergio (https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/), block #5326 fits the pattern of this early miner with a distinct ExtraNonce pattern, and would be the first (?) direct evidence, that this miner was in fact Satoshi.

Mike Hearn, Jan 24, 2016:
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"I will no longer be taking part in Bitcoin development and have sold all my coins." from https://blog.plan99.net/the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-experiment-dabb30201f7

Yet the 1JuEj..j5n address still has 82.51BTC in it https://blockexplorer.com/address/1JuEjh9znXwqsy5RrnKqgzqY4Ldg7rnj5n, currently worth about a quarter million dollars.  Ya think Hearn lost the key to it then?  That would be something...  Or, it's all a ruse and that address isn't Hearn's, or something else?
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I'm in the process of developing a website dedicated to early bitcoin history.  Mike Hearn was gracious enough to contribute to the project by sharing his e-mail conversations with Satoshi.  Since these are never-before-seen writings of Satoshi, I thought others would enjoy having access to them now, rather than waiting for the website to go live.

Here they are:
https://pastebin.com/Na5FwkQ4
https://pastebin.com/cKZPC1rF
https://pastebin.com/wA9Jn100
https://pastebin.com/JF3USKFT
https://pastebin.com/syrmi3ET

If anyone else has anything they would like to share from early bitcoin times (2009-2010), please e-mail me at CipherionX@protonmail.com

Thanks!
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Thank you very much for sharing these emails with us. I enjoyed reading them very much. It was an interesting read, indeed. I cant wait to hear what else you discover. Please continue sharing with us.

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I don't know much about Satoshi, as I know he is very mysterious person, no one knows exactly where he came from and where is he today, but no one can deny that Satoshi is the creator of the first digital currency in The world we know as bitcoin today. His discovery is so great in the world of cryptocurrency, He's like an anonymous hero who no one wants to know. I hope someday he will show himself, because there are many people who want say "thank you" to him.
He is an anonymous hero there is not doubt about it, but you say no one wants to know him and that is incorrect he is probably the most wanted person that is not a criminal in the world but if you want to say thank you to him you could leave a positive rating in his account in the forum.

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If these are legit, it would be a confirmation that Satoshi mined the block #5326, as block reward from that block is sent by Satoshi to Mike Hearn.

Mike: I sent you 32.51 coins, my bitcoin address is 1JuEjh9znXwqsy5RrnKqgzqY4Ldg7rnj5n

Satoshi: I sent back 32.51 and 50.00. (https://blockchain.info/address/1JuEjh9znXwqsy5RrnKqgzqY4Ldg7rnj5n)

This is interesting, because if you go back to the old ExtraNonce analysis by Sergio (https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/), block #5326 fits the pattern of this early miner with a distinct ExtraNonce pattern, and would be the first (?) direct evidence, that this miner was in fact Satoshi.

Mike Hearn, Jan 24, 2016:
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"I will no longer be taking part in Bitcoin development and have sold all my coins." from https://blog.plan99.net/the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-experiment-dabb30201f7

Yet the 1JuEj..j5n address still has 82.51BTC in it https://blockexplorer.com/address/1JuEjh9znXwqsy5RrnKqgzqY4Ldg7rnj5n, currently worth about a quarter million dollars.  Ya think Hearn lost the key to it then?  That would be something...  Or, it's all a ruse and that address isn't Hearn's, or something else?

Mike admitted to losing the keys, see the reddit thread below in my previous post.
Im skeptical, but they probably are real. I wish hearn had published them prior to his exit from bitcoin and the development team as a whole.

Mike did show up in the reddit thread created by OP and vouched for the validity of them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6t2ci2/never_before_seen_mike_hearn_satoshi_nakamoto/dliizv6/
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I like how professional Satoshi always is. Never a slip up.
He probably planned the whole thing from the beginning, the timing was too perfect, everything was perfect and ready, bitcoin did not seem like a project that was just finished, it seems like he had concluded the project for some time, that gave him time to cover his tracks.

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So is Bitcoin an alien technology? Since  #post 2 says the algorithm came from a highly intelligent individual.
There are so many possibilities out there since earth is under the center of attention from other galaxies.
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Thank you for sharing those emails  .

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Very entertaining and interesting topic for sure.
Will read all emails and all the interesting statements in this thread soon.

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So is Bitcoin an alien technology? Since  #post 2 says the algorithm came from a highly intelligent individual.
There are so many possibilities out there since earth is under the center of attention from other galaxies.
Ref : http://k.lenz.name/LB/2014/01/01/bitcoin-is-alien-technology/

What? Who writes such nonsense and reads?
Do you still say that Satoshi has a alien from another galaxy or from Alpha Centauri.

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Very entertaining and interesting topic for sure.
Will read all emails and all the interesting statements in this thread soon.
right  it is very entertaining …. But I think it will be just the rumors and these are the fake threats because I have heard about satoshi that he is like a mystery in the bitcoin and it is very suspicious to hear about the mails from satoshi so I think it is fake rumor about satoshi bitcoin so keep focus on your work and keep earning.

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There's stuff that bothers me about these emails that make them seem out of historical context.  
Below is an example:



Hearn:

"So many questions Smiley But it's rare that I encounter truly
revolutionary ideas. The last time I was this excited about a new
monetary scheme was when I discovered Ripple. If you have any thoughts
on Ripple, I'd also love to hear them." (https://pastebin.com/Na5FwkQ4  lines 446-449)

Satothi:

"Ripple is interesting in that it's the only other system that does something with trust besides concentrate it into a central server." (https://pastebin.com/Na5FwkQ4  line 70)

But, Ripple Labs wasn't established yet and it wasn't called "Ripple" until 6 October 2015. (https://ripple.com/insights/a-new-chapter-for-ripple/)


And Hearn's articulation of Ripple years later.


"I lack context, but I just wanted to point out that I gave my talk in
September 2012 and the ripple.com/OpenCoin reboot didn't appear on the
scene until after that. That's why when I talked about Ripple, I talked
about it being decentralised - I was referring only to the original concept
by Ryan Fugger and not the bitcoin/ripple hybrid that launched afterwards."

(https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webpayments/2013Apr/0095.html)


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But, Ripple Labs wasn't established yet and it wasn't called "Ripple" until 6 October 2015. (https://ripple.com/insights/a-new-chapter-for-ripple/)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_(payment_protocol)

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"The predecessor to the Ripple payment protocol, Ripplepay, was first developed in 2004 by Ryan Fugger, a web developer in Vancouver, British Columbia. Fugger conceived of the idea after working on a local exchange trading system in Vancouver, and his intent was to create a monetary system that was decentralized and could effectively allow individuals and communities to create their own money. Fugger's first iteration of this system, RipplePay.com,debuted in 2005 as a financial service to provide secure payment options to members of an online community via a global network."

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"This led to the conception of a new system by Jed McCaleb of eDonkey network, which was designed and built by Arthur Britto and David Schwartz. In May 2011, they began developing a digital currency system in which transactions were verified by consensus among members of the network, rather than by the mining process used by bitcoin, which relies on blockchain ledgers."

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"In September 2012 the team co-founded the corporation OpenCoin, or OpenCoin Inc."

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"On September 26, 2013, OpenCoin Inc. changed its name to Ripple Labs Inc., with Chris Larsen remaining CEO."

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August 30, 2017, 03:53:31 AM
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So is Bitcoin an alien technology? Since  #post 2 says the algorithm came from a highly intelligent individual.
There are so many possibilities out there since earth is under the center of attention from other galaxies.
Ref : http://k.lenz.name/LB/2014/01/01/bitcoin-is-alien-technology/
When there is a mystery as big as this, then you need to accept the fact that all kind of wild theories are going to begin to emerge, look at any important mystery and you will see it, so to me it is not all that weird that some may speculate with the wild theory that satoshi was not human.

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September 09, 2017, 07:19:41 AM
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"By Moore's Law, we can expect hardware speed to be 10 times faster in 5 years and 100 times faster in 10.  Even if Bitcoin grows at crazy adoption rates, I think computer speeds will stay ahead of the number of transactions."

I think it's safe to say that he saw asic's coming miles away but hoped that the adoption and progression in tech would even each other out

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September 09, 2017, 07:42:04 AM
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anyone else read this and think these m-fkrs are sending $225,000 back and forth like a tennis ball..........................i'm truly amazed
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January 16, 2018, 04:34:26 AM
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This is so fascinating. Thank you so much!

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Wow, indeed fascinating, will use these for school!!
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January 16, 2018, 04:44:42 AM
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I'm in the process of developing a website dedicated to early bitcoin history.  Mike Hearn was gracious enough to contribute to the project by sharing his e-mail conversations with Satoshi.  Since these are never-before-seen writings of Satoshi, I thought others would enjoy having access to them now, rather than waiting for the website to go live.

Here they are:
https://pastebin.com/Na5FwkQ4
https://pastebin.com/cKZPC1rF
https://pastebin.com/wA9Jn100
https://pastebin.com/JF3USKFT
https://pastebin.com/syrmi3ET

If anyone else has anything they would like to share from early bitcoin times (2009-2010), please e-mail me at CipherionX@protonmail.com

Thanks!
-CipherionX


Thanks for sharing with us. I enjoyed reading the conversations. All the best for your website Smiley

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Nice emails! Very insightful. Thanks for sharing.

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