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February 22, 2018, 07:43:07 PM
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No one is compelling anyone for anything. Monero as an open source project can be forked by anyone anytimes. There are no reasons to FUD.
If you don't like MoneroV, don't use it, simple.

It's not FUD, it's simple objective logic. So far the XMV dev's have yet to address how they're going to fix the privacy issue XMV devs are creating (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlVsMTeT_nE) that will impact MoneroV users more than Monero users. People who use coins from Monero might be impacted depending on how many people use the XMV gained from the chain split and the originating XMR so XMR users have every right to get angry which is why the Monero community regards this as a hostile fork...it undermines XMR's privacy and shoots XMV's privacy in the foot even worse.


First read this news, this its really fork from Monero ? if really this its official fork from Monero may i know maybe statment from Developer Monero about this Fork its official or not Smiley Thanks

No, MoneroV not an official fork of Monero and at least some of us regard it as a hostile fork because as said earlier it has the potential to impact privacy of XMR, but more importantly it impacts XMV users more: https://twitter.com/monerocurrency/status/964484507352141825

This whole privacy issue could be avoided if they decided to start their own blockchain instead of trying to do a chain split on Monero's chain. Sumo created their own chain. Others have... it shouldn't be that hard, but XMV dev's don't care about their own users' privacy it would seem and are more interested in what seems to be a quick cash grab scheme...



This is simple as it is. Claiming monerov may put the previous transaction history from that particular address at risk. But I think that can be quite solved by moving your monero in a new wallet around the fork and again moving it out to another intermediate wallet and back to your original wallet after the fork. And hence claiming monerov without risking your history.

But isn't there a very high probability that most people won't follow that procedure?

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February 23, 2018, 03:29:05 AM
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Another crap coin.   What is the pre-mine?

Scumbags.
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February 23, 2018, 03:33:48 AM
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I think this is exactly it. MoneroV team are doing the best they can, even exposing this flaw with Monero which is HUGE.
All they are getting is trolling and childish response from the Monero fanatics, sending new users all over.

This cracks me up, the fork is creating this privacy issue but yet it's Monero's fault.

******* a-holes.
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February 23, 2018, 03:35:02 AM
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Soon as MoneroV comes out our org will be starting a project to fork it.  Zero pre-mine.  
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February 23, 2018, 05:27:22 AM
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All of these privacy questions would be coming out eventually though right? MoneroV is just the first of many forks of Monero as it gains in popularity.
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February 23, 2018, 08:24:04 AM
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The privacy largely depends on the way people uses a coin.
So let's assume monerov is for less privacy oriented users who don't mind risking the use they had done with their holdings.
And rest of the privacy centered monero user would never claim monerov.

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February 23, 2018, 10:26:26 AM
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Wandering how these concerned trolls are not banned.  Huh
Don't you get it that the more you cry about MoneroV the more legitimate it seems to all of us?

Monero 'leadership' as a very shady background.
Monero isn't de-centralized, being led by the face of 1 person.
CryptoNote itself has a very dubious history.
Monero's network hashrate is over 1 billion, mainly due to botnets, hacks, and browser mining.

Just extract the coins safely, and shut up about the rest.
These guys know what they are doing, obviously, as they have the whole Monero community against them.
Same happend with Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash. This has great future Grin I'd buy some if there was any pre-sale.


BTW, bounties?




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February 23, 2018, 11:43:24 AM
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Is this mineable? Will I be credited with my Monero on cryptopia?
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February 23, 2018, 12:37:46 PM
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Monero user will receive this fork with 1:1 right?
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February 23, 2018, 01:15:38 PM
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Monero user will receive this fork with 1:1 right?
if you cant even read the title of this thread then you dont deserve anyone reply to you :2cents:
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February 23, 2018, 02:43:46 PM
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Wandering how these concerned trolls are not banned.  Huh
Don't you get it that the more you cry about MoneroV the more legitimate it seems to all of us?

Monero 'leadership' as a very shady background.
Monero isn't de-centralized, being led by the face of 1 person.
CryptoNote itself has a very dubious history.
Monero's network hashrate is over 1 billion, mainly due to botnets, hacks, and browser mining.

Just extract the coins safely, and shut up about the rest.
These guys know what they are doing, obviously, as they have the whole Monero community against them.
Same happend with Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash. This has great future Grin I'd buy some if there was any pre-sale.


BTW, bounties?






I consider monero to be one of the most decentralized and privacy focused coin.
But I'm too a believer that forking a good coin like monero is ultimately good for the crypto world.
As we'll have several chances of finding faults and several ways to counter the problems.
Though MoneroV may not have the same level of privacy as monero but it still is one of the best alternative to it.

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Today at 04:40:09 AM
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Wandering how these concerned trolls are not banned.  Huh

Because the Monero community has demonstrated using objective mathematical models how this split negatively impacts privacy on both chains and MoneroV users are actually more negatively impacted. MoneroV in response has claimed 'FUD' rather than offer an objective rebuttal or some solution to the problem, most likely because they can't refute the math and logic. I meanwhile have a simple solution, don't do a chain split and instead the MoneroV community should create their own blockchain from genesis. This would give MoneroV what it seems to want; it a new blockchain means no old blockchain bloat and MoneroV users remain private, but for some reason MoneroV devs have yet to explain a solution, they remain fixed on doing a chain split to their own MoneroV users' detriment.

Don't you get it that the more you cry about MoneroV the more legitimate it seems to all of us?

So what does this make stuff out there like BitConnect and Monero Gold to you? Surely BitConnect is the most legit crypto out there because so many 'cry' about it?  Wink

Monero 'leadership' as a very shady background.

Citation needed.

Monero isn't de-centralized, being led by the face of 1 person.

This is easily demonstratively false by looking at Monero's GitHub contributor history and the bi-weekly public dev meetings.

CryptoNote itself has a very dubious history.

You do realize that by virtue of forking from Monero, MoneroV is CryptoNote based, right? It's even listed in the table in the MoneroV roadmap paper. Heck, even the MoneroV 'white paper' is just a link to the official 'CryptoNote' white paper Shocked

Monero's network hashrate is over 1 billion, mainly due to botnets, hacks, and browser mining.

Again, citation needed demonstrating how much of the hashrate is made of those. Worth noting that according to MoneroV's own roadmap that the MoneroV PoW change will not happen until Q1 '19 which means it will be using the same PoW as Monero which is used by an unknown amount of botnets and browsers to mine. So MoneroV will be just as 'susceptible' as Monero to these bad miners (worth noting the browser mining isn't necessarily bad if the user agrees to it like in the case of Salon). Furthermore MoneroV fails to explain how this PoW change a year from now will somehow make it less ideal to mine for nefarious miners than it will be at chain split.

These guys know what they are doing, obviously, as they have the whole Monero community against them.

Mmm, not really. Monero community is against them because a chain split can undermine the privacy of both chains. So far all the official MoneroV Twitter account has done is cry 'FUD' rather than bring objective facts to the table.

Let's be intellectually honest here. Two groups of people, Group A and Group B have a debate. Group A says Group B's plan is bad and gives objective facts. Group B's counterargument is 'lol FUD' and fails to counter the objective facts of Group A. Who won the debate, the one with the undeniable facts or the one that just said 'FUD'?

And going back to 'concerned trolling' if all the MoneroV community can say is 'FUD' or 'concern trolling' they're committing even more logical fallacies AKA argumentum ad hominem and further demonstrating the Monero community's points...

"not everyone with a concern is a concern troll - and not every concern is unreasonable. In environments of genuine groupthink, applying the concern troll label may serve as a means of enforcing conformity and punishing (or silencing) dissent. And even without actual groupthink in play, many Internet posters find dismissing an argument much quicker and easier than evaluating it. In addition, the term "concern troll" focuses not on what the person is actually saying, but on some alleged agenda.

Thus, if misused, it is the perfect refuge for someone who has no counter to the actual argument: simply ignore the points made, allege some other position, and then accuse the other person of lying if they deny that that is what they're really saying. It's a combination of straw man and argumentum ad hominem: make up something to attack, and ignore their actual points on the basis that since the points were made by someone acting in bad faith, they need not be addressed." Taken from https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll


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