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August 13, 2017, 12:05:23 PM
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In my country transgenders are treated like animals. Their families give them up and they are raised by groups of transgenders living together, who raise them as their own. They are forced to beg, dance or sell their bodies in order to earn a living. They are looked down upon by the society because of their profession, but it's the society itself who has left them no choice.They are normally bullied, beaten and raped. In spite all of this they manage to put a smile on their face and live their life. In our society they are referred to as 'khawajasira' or 'khusra'. They have no job opportunities and until recently they were not even recognized as legal citizens. A lot of them have been fighting for their rights and they have succeeded to some extent, but honestly their is a long way to go.

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this video will provide a better understanding of their life.
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August 13, 2017, 12:52:13 PM
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We use the acronym LGBT to describe the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender.

Sexual orientation describes a person's enduring physical, romantic, and/or emotional attraction to another person (for example: straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual), while gender identity describes a person's, internal, personal sense of being a man or a woman, or someone outside of the gender binary.

Simply put: sexual orientation is about who you are attracted to and fall in love with; gender identity is about who you are.

Like everyone else, transgender people have a sexual orientation. Transgender people may be straight, lesbian, gay, bisexual, or queer. For example, a person who transitions from male to female and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a straight woman. A person who transitions from female to male and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a gay man.
in our country it s a whole lot different story.
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August 13, 2017, 01:19:06 PM
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We use the acronym LGBT to describe the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender.

Sexual orientation describes a person's enduring physical, romantic, and/or emotional attraction to another person (for example: straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual), while gender identity describes a person's, internal, personal sense of being a man or a woman, or someone outside of the gender binary.

Simply put: sexual orientation is about who you are attracted to and fall in love with; gender identity is about who you are.

Like everyone else, transgender people have a sexual orientation. Transgender people may be straight, lesbian, gay, bisexual, or queer. For example, a person who transitions from male to female and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a straight woman. A person who transitions from female to male and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a gay man.
in our country it s a whole lot different story.

Gay, lesbian, bisexual and TRANSGENDER are known as this generation third gender. Many people are being harsh to them because of their postures. But people din't think first if these LGBT did something wrong to them. We should respect them and treat them properly with a good attitude.

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August 13, 2017, 01:23:29 PM
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We use the acronym LGBT to describe the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender.

Sexual orientation describes a person's enduring physical, romantic, and/or emotional attraction to another person (for example: straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual), while gender identity describes a person's, internal, personal sense of being a man or a woman, or someone outside of the gender binary.

Simply put: sexual orientation is about who you are attracted to and fall in love with; gender identity is about who you are.

Like everyone else, transgender people have a sexual orientation. Transgender people may be straight, lesbian, gay, bisexual, or queer. For example, a person who transitions from male to female and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a straight woman. A person who transitions from female to male and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a gay man.
in our country it s a whole lot different story.

Gay, lesbian, bisexual and TRANSGENDER are known as this generation third gender. Many people are being harsh to them because of their postures. But people din't think first if these LGBT did something wrong to them. We should respect them and treat them properly with a good attitude.
Exactly it's not their fault that they were born like that.
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August 13, 2017, 02:15:28 PM
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Transgenders are confused people who are trying to confuse the rest of the society with their moral relativism and depravity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k-WnwFeH2k
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August 13, 2017, 02:43:06 PM
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Transgenders are confused people who are trying to confuse the rest of the society with their moral relativism and depravity.

do you think they want to live the lives they do?

it doesn't look much fun from where i'm sitting.

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August 13, 2017, 10:11:51 PM
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Transgenders are confused people who are trying to confuse the rest of the society with their moral relativism and depravity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k-WnwFeH2k
What i really dont understand about this whole thing is that why are people fighting us and forcing us to accept transgenders, If they have the right to their sexual prefereence, Dont i also have the right to either accept or reject  their sexual preference, I mean i have the right as well.



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August 14, 2017, 05:16:31 AM
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Transgenders are confused people who are trying to confuse the rest of the society with their moral relativism and depravity.

do you think they want to live the lives they do?

it doesn't look much fun from where i'm sitting.

Actually what cause them to think they'r penis don't belong down there ? It may be due to a complex biological problem which the society has decided to help and accept. Do you see any other out ?

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August 14, 2017, 09:47:50 AM
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Transgenders are confused people who are trying to confuse the rest of the society with their moral relativism and depravity.

do you think they want to live the lives they do?

it doesn't look much fun from where i'm sitting.

Actually what cause them to think they'r penis don't belong down there ? It may be due to a complex biological problem which the society has decided to help and accept. Do you see any other out ?

It is gender dysphoria, a mental disorder. The transgender suicide rate is over 50%, a rate much that has not been seen since Jews in concentration camps. Often times people claim we should be "tolerant" and let people be what they want, but you can not ignore biological and scientific reality. Why continue to normalize a mental disorder that will lead most to death?

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August 14, 2017, 09:50:37 AM
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It is gender dysphoria, a mental disorder. The transgender suicide rate is over 50%, a rate much that has not been seen since Jews in concentration camps. Often times people claim we should be "tolerant" and let people be what they want, but you can not ignore biological and scientific reality. Why continue to normalize a mental disorder that will lead most to death?

You are 100% correct. These people need medical treatment on the first place. Normalizing a mental disorder may be harmful to the future generations. Also, this may cause more harm to the transgenders by creating an impression that they don't need treatment for this disorder.

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August 14, 2017, 11:22:59 AM
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I have a negative attitude towards transgender people, because they do not want to treat their mental disorder, but spend a lot of money for a sex change operation. They show a bad example for children and they need to be prohibited from doing sex-change surgeries, and instead treat them.

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August 14, 2017, 11:42:22 AM
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I have a negative attitude towards transgender people, because they do not want to treat their mental disorder, but spend a lot of money for a sex change operation. They show a bad example for children and they need to be prohibited from doing sex-change surgeries, and instead treat them.

The problem is that they don't want to undergo full sex-transformation surgery. Instead, they opt for partial reconfiguration. For example, many of the transgenders (who were born as male) undergo breast augmentation surgery. But they refuse to undergo penis removal.


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Ain't nothing wrong with being a transgender as long as you don't break any law and you contribute to the improvement of society. The only law this transgenders breaking is the religious law which is absurd. You can never please everybody especially the religious type of people.
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We use the acronym LGBT to describe the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender.

Sexual orientation describes a person's enduring physical, romantic, and/or emotional attraction to another person (for example: straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual), while gender identity describes a person's, internal, personal sense of being a man or a woman, or someone outside of the gender binary.

Simply put: sexual orientation is about who you are attracted to and fall in love with; gender identity is about who you are.

Like everyone else, transgender people have a sexual orientation. Transgender people may be straight, lesbian, gay, bisexual, or queer. For example, a person who transitions from male to female and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a straight woman. A person who transitions from female to male and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a gay man.
in our country it s a whole lot different story.

Gay, lesbian, bisexual and TRANSGENDER are known as this generation third gender. Many people are being harsh to them because of their postures. But people din't think first if these LGBT did something wrong to them. We should respect them and treat them properly with a good attitude.
Exactly it's not their fault that they were born like that.
For clarification they are not born like that. It's their choice to be an LGBT member. They should have known the consequences when they enter that kind of world, so, they couldn't blame anyone who doesn't fully accept them as a member of society.

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August 14, 2017, 01:42:34 PM
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Ain't nothing wrong with being a transgender as long as you don't break any law and you contribute to the improvement of society. The only law this transgenders breaking is the religious law which is absurd. You can never please everybody especially the religious type of people.

It is not about breaking the laws, but more to do with making absurd demands such as the entry of transgenders to ladies's washroom. Imagine someone who looks like Sylvester Stallone demanding entry in to a ladies toilet, just because he thinks that he is a female on the inside. This will open the doors to all sorts of perverts and psychos.

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August 14, 2017, 01:43:23 PM
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We use the acronym LGBT to describe the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender.

Sexual orientation describes a person's enduring physical, romantic, and/or emotional attraction to another person (for example: straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual), while gender identity describes a person's, internal, personal sense of being a man or a woman, or someone outside of the gender binary.

Simply put: sexual orientation is about who you are attracted to and fall in love with; gender identity is about who you are.

Like everyone else, transgender people have a sexual orientation. Transgender people may be straight, lesbian, gay, bisexual, or queer. For example, a person who transitions from male to female and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a straight woman. A person who transitions from female to male and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a gay man.
in our country it s a whole lot different story.

Gay, lesbian, bisexual and TRANSGENDER are known as this generation third gender. Many people are being harsh to them because of their postures. But people din't think first if these LGBT did something wrong to them. We should respect them and treat them properly with a good attitude.
Exactly it's not their fault that they were born like that.
Lol, they were born as a girl and man and nothing is wrong if God made them, But choosing to become a lesbian or gay it is a matter of their choice instead. Which is they knew to themselves even it is wrong they would say its not their fault if God made them like that, I think that's a big sin either.

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August 14, 2017, 01:46:19 PM
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It is sad. No matter what,there is no exception. In my country before six months there was first operation of changing gender. Government payed about 500,000 Euros. On the other side we are making humanitarian concerts for children to ger 10,000 Euros for healing them in hospital.
Very sad. And I had opportunity to meet him personally and she/he gives no fuck about that.

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It is sad. No matter what,there is no exception. In my country before six months there was first operation of changing gender. Government payed about 500,000 Euros. On the other side we are making humanitarian concerts for children to ger 10,000 Euros for healing them in hospital.
Very sad. And I had opportunity to meet him personally and she/he gives no fuck about that.
Yes like what you have said. The world may be full of unusual things, so as the changes of humanity. Sad to say even if we disagree about having or the legalization of same sex marriage, the world is already accepting them as a new Gender because of gender equality, and to add more, they are even making a community where in, most are bisexuals and transgenders. Let us just respect who are deserving to be respected.

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August 14, 2017, 03:57:18 PM
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Being a transgender is not a crime. I know it against on some religions but for me we must still respect them because they are also a human being. They also have a heart and feelings. They have a right to live.
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They are trying to destroy children so that the whole society would become less stable and it would be easier to control people.
I hope there will be some countries in the future which protect their citizens from this social engineering filth and where children can
still grow up happy learning to farm, create art, engineering etc instead of becoming a mentally ill and confused.

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August 14, 2017, 11:32:32 PM
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For clarification they are not born like that. It's their choice to be an LGBT member. They should have known the consequences when they enter that kind of world, so, they couldn't blame anyone who doesn't fully accept them as a member of society.

People who think being LGBT is a choice are morons

Throughout history, LGBT have been outcast, murdered, raped, imprisoned, tortured, etc... and they still are today

Who would "choose" that?!?

Are you mental?!?

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I think that the level of acceptance for transgenders will greatly vary with culture and belief. To date, there are no laws yet (that I known of) acknowledging the third sex; we still record people as male or female which is based on their biological orientation unlike with the case of the LGBT community who desires to be acknowledged according to their  sexual preference. I understand it would be difficult for most to tolerate this new emerging gender, much more difficult to fully accept and embrace it.

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For clarification they are not born like that. It's their choice to be an LGBT member. They should have known the consequences when they enter that kind of world, so, they couldn't blame anyone who doesn't fully accept them as a member of society.

People who think being LGBT is a choice are morons

Throughout history, LGBT have been outcast, murdered, raped, imprisoned, tortured, etc... and they still are today

Who would "choose" that?!?

Are you mental?!?

Being gay or lesbian may not be a choice. And don't get me wrong. I don't believe in all those quacks, who claim that they can rectify homosexuality through medical treatment. But being a transgender is a choice. These people refuse to undergo full sex realignment surgery.

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August 15, 2017, 04:21:50 AM
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But being a transgender is a choice.
Really? I didn't choose to be male. Did you choose to be female? How? When?

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In my country transgenders are treated like animals. Their families give them up and they are raised by groups of transgenders living together, who raise them as their own. They are forced to beg, dance or sell their bodies in order to earn a living. They are looked down upon by the society because of their profession, but it's the society itself who has left them no choice.They are normally bullied, beaten and raped. In spite all of this they manage to put a smile on their face and live their life. In our society they are referred to as 'khawajasira' or 'khusra'. They have no job opportunities and until recently they were not even recognized as legal citizens. A lot of them have been fighting for their rights and they have succeeded to some extent, but honestly their is a long way to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvehhXaFh8U
this video will provide a better understanding of their life.

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In my country transgenders are treated like animals. Their families give them up and they are raised by groups of transgenders living together, who raise them as their own. They are forced to beg, dance or sell their bodies in order to earn a living. They are looked down upon by the society because of their profession, but it's the society itself who has left them no choice.They are normally bullied, beaten and raped. In spite all of this they manage to put a smile on their face and live their life. In our society they are referred to as 'khawajasira' or 'khusra'. They have no job opportunities and until recently they were not even recognized as legal citizens. A lot of them have been fighting for their rights and they have succeeded to some extent, but honestly their is a long way to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvehhXaFh8U
this video will provide a better understanding of their life.
I don't understand why people treat them like that. Just let them live their life as long thay are not doing bad. They deserve to live a happy life too

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But being a transgender is a choice.
Really? I didn't choose to be male. Did you choose to be female? How? When?

I was born as a female, and I have never complained about my gender. I am happy being a female. That would be the case with 99.99% of the people around the world. Only the mentally handicapped would complain about their gender.

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When a child is born, a doctor says, "It's a boy" or "It's a girl."
Assigning someone's sex is based on biology -- chromosomes, anatomy, and hormones. But a person's gender identity -- the inner sense of being male, female, or both -- doesn't always match their biology. Transgender people say they were assigned a sex that isn't true to who they are.
Many people have assumptions about what it means to be transgender, but it isn't about surgery, or sexual orientation, or even how someone dresses. It's how they feel inside.
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When people make changes to match the way they feel inside, it's called transitioning.

Some change their clothing, hair, and name. Some ask others to change the pronouns they use to identify them. (They may choose "he," "she," "they," or even "ze.") Some use hormones or surgery to alter how they look and feel.

"It varies a lot from person to person, and there's no set pattern," says Michael L. Hendricks, PhD, a clinical psychologist in Washington, DC, who works with transitioning clients.
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Such people need to be treated with good psychotherapists before they want to change sex, because they have serious mental disorders that could lead to suicide in the future. In addition, such people propagandize for children that sex change is good, but not always such operations are successful and there can be very serious complications.

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I have 2 legs, if I decide to identify as a 1 legged person would society encourage me to have a perfectly healthy leg surgically removed?

No.  Same applies to my dick.





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I have 2 legs, if I decide to identify as a 1 legged person would society encourage me to have a perfectly healthy leg surgically removed?

No.  Same applies to my dick.

In the near future you will be thrown in jail if you continue to make statements like this. LGBT tyranny will get stronger and then everyone who's not celebrating social engineering filth will be oppressed.
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In my country transgenders are treated like animals. Their families give them up and they are raised by groups of transgenders living together, who raise them as their own. They are forced to beg, dance or sell their bodies in order to earn a living. They are looked down upon by the society because of their profession, but it's the society itself who has left them no choice.They are normally bullied, beaten and raped. In spite all of this they manage to put a smile on their face and live their life. In our society they are referred to as 'khawajasira' or 'khusra'. They have no job opportunities and until recently they were not even recognized as legal citizens. A lot of them have been fighting for their rights and they have succeeded to some extent, but honestly their is a long way to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvehhXaFh8U
this video will provide a better understanding of their life.

i am not against to the transgenders. i dont judge them because of their choosen sexual preferences. As long as they do good in our country  and set as a good example to their job so that they will be treated nicely because they deserve to be happy and they are also human.

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When a child is born, a doctor says, "It's a boy" or "It's a girl."
Assigning someone's sex is based on biology -- chromosomes, anatomy, and hormones. But a person's gender identity -- the inner sense of being male, female, or both -- doesn't always match their biology. Transgender people say they were assigned a sex that isn't true to who they are.
Many people have assumptions about what it means to be transgender, but it isn't about surgery, or sexual orientation, or even how someone dresses. It's how they feel inside.

For normal people, the inner sense of gender matches with their assigned biologic gender. If that is not the case, then we can assume that there is something wrong with their mental state.

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I bet that such things like LGBT, BLM  and other ridiculously aggresive "mainstream" formations exist is because they are supported by US and EU authorities (usually leftists) so they threaten every other people thru the government machine.  If those organisations had no governmental suppurt no one would took them serious.

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Your country's opinion on trangenders is too horrible to handle it. Trangenders are as human as other people and they born with this way. We must their    sexual orientation as it comes. If we cannot cope with their sexual orientation , he or she cannot be a real human being . We must love and accept them no matter what is their sexual orientation .

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I am pretty glad to live in a country (Austria) where the situation for LGBT is pretty good. An open developed society judges you on what you do instead of the way you look or the colour of your skin. I am fine with living side by side with LGBT people as I am fine with living next to religious fanatics (not talking about the terror guys). Everybody has their way to live so yolo, go for it. I actually rather have a problem with the religous fanatics as they openly choose to defy science and the ongoing development of society.
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I bet that such things like LGBT, BLM  and other ridiculously aggresive "mainstream" formations exist is because they are supported by US and EU authorities (usually leftists) so they threaten every other people thru the government machine.  If those organisations had no governmental suppurt no one would took them serious.

Some of the European Union nations may support them (Sweden, Germany.etc), but with the recent change in power, I don't think that the Americans support them anymore. Most of their support comes from non-political sources, such as Soros and Zuckerberg.

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so far as i can observe in our community, most transgenders from different countries are being abusive because of what they so called LGBT community which makes them the third and new gender across the globe. it doesn't matter to me if you are a male, female or a member of such LGBT community as you are deserving to be respected then i should respect you, if its not then i don't care what are you but I wont respect you either. that is how my principle works.

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Human created only two sexes of men and women, LGBT is forbidden by religion, humans are created untam alias and have sex with the opposite sex. You will get punished if the same relationship, try to find the story of the sodom whose city is flat with the ground, it's because of their own behavior, so I personally do not like LGBT, sorry.

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They are trying to destroy children so that the whole society would become less stable and it would be easier to control people.
I hope there will be some countries in the future which protect their citizens from this social engineering filth and where children can
still grow up happy learning to farm, create art, engineering etc instead of becoming a mentally ill and confused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIsVGDq8nd8

I agree. They are trying to destroy children, because their psyche is not well formed and they like to imitate. Transgenders and homosexuals are not born, they become as a result of a trauma that often occurs in childhood. If you do not treat mental trauma, then every year the number of such "people of the third sex" will increase and this will gradually lead to the extinction of the genus.

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For me transgenders have a base problem. Often you listen to "he felt like a woman" or "she felt like a man"... But ever stop to think what does this means exactly? And the answer is; Nothing at all. Women and men "feel" nothing different, the whole manly and womanly behavior are social constructions, other than give birth, what no doctor can make a man do regardless, there's no overall differences between genders for someone to "feel like the opposite sex".

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August 19, 2017, 07:01:48 AM
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"Transgenderization" doesn't have anything to do with gender. It has to do with politics.

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August 19, 2017, 08:37:32 AM
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"Transgenderization" doesn't have anything to do with gender. It has to do with politics.

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The entire LGBT thing has more to do with politics than anything to do with sexuality. The leftists are just using the LGBT issue as a weapon to wreck the normal conservative families in the western nations.

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August 19, 2017, 09:05:28 AM
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We use the acronym LGBT to describe the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender.

Sexual orientation describes a person's enduring physical, romantic, and/or emotional attraction to another person (for example: straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual), while gender identity describes a person's, internal, personal sense of being a man or a woman, or someone outside of the gender binary.

Simply put: sexual orientation is about who you are attracted to and fall in love with; gender identity is about who you are.

Like everyone else, transgender people have a sexual orientation. Transgender people may be straight, lesbian, gay, bisexual, or queer. For example, a person who transitions from male to female and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a straight woman. A person who transitions from female to male and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a gay man.
in our country it s a whole lot different story.

Gay, lesbian, bisexual and TRANSGENDER are known as this generation third gender. Many people are being harsh to them because of their postures. But people din't think first if these LGBT did something wrong to them. We should respect them and treat them properly with a good attitude.

If they didn't do anything bad to you, then why hate them? I agree that we should respect them, they're still human after all.

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August 19, 2017, 09:30:54 AM
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I feel like they should be tolerated but should not be aided or appeased in any form on a national level (of course, if you personal want to use your resources to help them out, I'm not going to object.)  If you wanna LARP as another gender, then fine, have your fun, just understand you make yourself an outcast by the very nature of your being.  But once I am threatened with jail time for failing to call you by your preferred pronoun, that's when I get angry.  Once I am encouraged to shame others or feel shame myself for failing to have a sexual desire for these people, that's when I get upset.  When I am disallowed from even criticizing their decision without being labeled a bigot or a *-phobe, that's what gets me.  Once businesses are expected to have a minimal amount of these people to ensure "diversity", that's just way too far.

It's beyond tolerance now in the west, it's over representation in all aspects of life (what percentage of the population are these people again, <1%?) and outright supremacy in many cases, where these people have even more rights than anyone else--why?  What is the purpose?  Is it a form of punishment on all others?  Is it a gift to them?  We were doing just fine with tolerating them, but those who fight for social justice never seem to be satisfied, they must create the injustices to then fight.  Just stop meddling!

Anyway, as far as being a transgender goes, considering just how much natural stigma there is against those who pretend to be a gender they are not, there really must be some unquenchable internal desire to act on one's impulses to become a transgender.  At the same time, I have to wonder how strong that desire really is nowadays, considering the natural stigma is being artificially lifted via the concentration of leftos in the media who attempt to normalize what is obviously not normal.  I've heard of (horror) stories about men who have whacked off their willies and have to insert a dildo into the gaping hole their hoo-haw used to be to ensure the wound doesn't close up (as wounds are wont to do), who then regret it and cannot return to a state of normalcy any longer--they were miserable before and they're miserable now, even more so in fact, if the suicide rates among transgenders is correspondent to reality.  From that point forward your whole life revolves around being a transgender--no, not being a fireman, or a father, no, it's now about being a transgender, it's the most pertinent part of your character, and it consumes your entire life as you will never be just a man or just a woman with a variety of other qualities but as some sort of revolting freak of nature, the conceptual stench of which overpowers any other quality you may have.

As far as my advice goes--you may be happier being a transvestite rather than a transgender, since a transvestite can easily stop LARPing as the other gender whenever they want to.  Transgenders are just playing with fire, with the end goal explicitly being getting burned.  So you were born with a sausage, you got other holes, you don't have to make a fake hole!


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August 20, 2017, 06:54:46 AM
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Though i'm not really a fan or in approval of transgenders, i believe we need to have respect for pretty much everyone regardless of their sexual preference. As long as they don't do anything bad to me, i'll respect them. It's their body, if there will be repercussions, they will be the ones to take it.

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August 20, 2017, 05:46:43 PM
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Transgenders are also a human so they have right to live. I know it's against on a bible but we will do? Transgender are still transgender. We can't treat them like animals or we can't kill them. Let the live like us.
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Transgenders are also a human so they have right to live. I know it's against on a bible but we will do? Transgender are still transgender. We can't treat them like animals or we can't kill them. Let the live like us.

Wow! I think that's a step to far! Of course they're people and of course nobody should be harassing, injury or killing them over that.
I'm however against it's promotion. You know young people is too influential and may jump of the cliff because some media promotional stuff on those grounds.
My view is acceptance (if you did it, well... be happy) without promotion (I'll not tell someone who's thinking of it go ahead or promote it - as 99,99% of the changes will never make you a successful being of the opposite gender anyway and I'll never support anyone to go through needless surgery).

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August 20, 2017, 10:19:02 PM
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Here in my country we don't give a f*ck about transgenders we respect each sexual even you are bisexual or not as long as you give us respect we give you respect too we don't mind what your business is as long as you don't involved in any kind of illegal activities because once you to that it is time to judge you.

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August 21, 2017, 12:42:13 PM
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Transgender people are people, but they do not need to be allowed to propagate their mental illness. We need to send them to good psychotherapists so that they help them to decide on the gender and realize themselves in the society.

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In my country transgenders are treated like animals. Their families give them up and they are raised by groups of transgenders living together, who raise them as their own. They are forced to beg, dance or sell their bodies in order to earn a living. They are looked down upon by the society because of their profession, but it's the society itself who has left them no choice.They are normally bullied, beaten and raped. In spite all of this they manage to put a smile on their face and live their life. In our society they are referred to as 'khawajasira' or 'khusra'. They have no job opportunities and until recently they were not even recognized as legal citizens. A lot of them have been fighting for their rights and they have succeeded to some extent, but honestly their is a long way to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvehhXaFh8U
this video will provide a better understanding of their life.
i don't understand cases about transgender because i think this is a ilegal.

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Transgender is very common now a days, but we have to respect them, their decisions and emotions, as long as they didn't hurt us...
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In my country transgenders are treated like animals. Their families give them up and they are raised by groups of transgenders living together, who raise them as their own. They are forced to beg, dance or sell their bodies in order to earn a living. They are looked down upon by the society because of their profession, but it's the society itself who has left them no choice.They are normally bullied, beaten and raped. In spite all of this they manage to put a smile on their face and live their life. In our society they are referred to as 'khawajasira' or 'khusra'. They have no job opportunities and until recently they were not even recognized as legal citizens. A lot of them have been fighting for their rights and they have succeeded to some extent, but honestly their is a long way to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvehhXaFh8U
this video will provide a better understanding of their life.
i don't understand cases about transgender because i think this is a ilegal.

I'm quite doubtful with re LGBT community because of my beliefs where God created only a man and a woman. But I think that we should not hate the LGBT community because of what they are. We should hate them if they are doing bad things toward to us. They are also human that we should respect and treat properly.

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Transgender in my honest opinion can be categorized as a mental illness caused by traumatic event. It can be when the were child got abused or bully etc.
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In my country transgenders are treated like animals. Their families give them up and they are raised by groups of transgenders living together, who raise them as their own. They are forced to beg, dance or sell their bodies in order to earn a living. They are looked down upon by the society because of their profession, but it's the society itself who has left them no choice.They are normally bullied, beaten and raped. In spite all of this they manage to put a smile on their face and live their life. In our society they are referred to as 'khawajasira' or 'khusra'. They have no job opportunities and until recently they were not even recognized as legal citizens. A lot of them have been fighting for their rights and they have succeeded to some extent, but honestly their is a long way to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvehhXaFh8U
this video will provide a better understanding of their life.
I do not agree with transgender but if they are tortured and intimidation I also disagree, because they are also human beings who have the right to live worthy.



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August 21, 2017, 05:20:40 PM
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In my country transgenders are treated like animals. Their families give them up and they are raised by groups of transgenders living together, who raise them as their own. They are forced to beg, dance or sell their bodies in order to earn a living. They are looked down upon by the society because of their profession, but it's the society itself who has left them no choice.They are normally bullied, beaten and raped. In spite all of this they manage to put a smile on their face and live their life. In our society they are referred to as 'khawajasira' or 'khusra'. They have no job opportunities and until recently they were not even recognized as legal citizens. A lot of them have been fighting for their rights and they have succeeded to some extent, but honestly their is a long way to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvehhXaFh8U
this video will provide a better understanding of their life.

In our country, it's somehow different. Transgenders are earning their respect because some of them are even good members of society. I think that people and the society should be open minded. They are also humans who deserves respect. I have some friends who are gays and lesbians, and I don't see them different from other people.

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August 21, 2017, 05:37:09 PM
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Just as in my country, transgender is not allowed because in the east it is forbidden and alienated from the community. Because in my country trangender including abnormalities. Maybe in other countries allowed

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Those people should not be treated as animals, I don't like them, but I treated them as Human beings, and I respected them for who they are, but I don't like them.  Cheesy Somehow, it isn't their fault for being that way, there is something inside of them of what makes them like that. Maybe in their genes?  Cry

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August 22, 2017, 12:51:12 PM
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Ain't nothing wrong with being a transgender as long as you don't break any law and you contribute to the improvement of society. The only law this transgenders breaking is the religious law which is absurd. You can never please everybody especially the religious type of people.

I do agreed sir. Transgender are also people too they are born man but with hearted woman and born woman with hearted men as they reach the pick of knowing it them selves. This a person's with internal feelings,  although they are a person who lives in different gender  to  the one  they were given when they were born. As long as  They don't break the rules they don't make trouble and disturb other people.

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Ain't nothing wrong with being a transgender as long as you don't break any law and you contribute to the improvement of society. The only law this transgenders breaking is the religious law which is absurd. You can never please everybody especially the religious type of people.

I do agreed sir. Transgender are also people too they are born man but with hearted woman and born woman with hearted men as they reach the pick of knowing it them selves. This a person's with internal feelings,  although they are a person who lives in different gender  to  the one  they were given when they were born. As long as  They don't break the rules they don't make trouble and disturb other people.
Well my principle is just common and I hope that most of you got this kind of principle, yes transgenders are considered as third gender in our generation, and it doesn't change the subject that they are still human. Respect is always be given to those who deserve to be respected, it doesn't earn any gratitude whether your a high ranking official, an old or a membet of LGBT community, as long as you know your bounderies, you are respected, nothing change even a single word as long as you are deserving.

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In my country transgenders are treated like animals. Their families give them up and they are raised by groups of transgenders living together, who raise them as their own. They are forced to beg, dance or sell their bodies in order to earn a living. They are looked down upon by the society because of their profession, but it's the society itself who has left them no choice.They are normally bullied, beaten and raped. In spite all of this they manage to put a smile on their face and live their life. In our society they are referred to as 'khawajasira' or 'khusra'. They have no job opportunities and until recently they were not even recognized as legal citizens. A lot of them have been fighting for their rights and they have succeeded to some extent, but honestly their is a long way to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvehhXaFh8U
this video will provide a better understanding of their life.

Transgenders areeople to and no matter what changes they have done to their body or to their mindset that has kade them this. Transgenders would always he people and they would alsways be deserving of our utmost respect and care and they are not animals not would they ever shoulf be treated like one.

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perhaps, soon transgender people will not shock anyone. We live in an era of narcissistic individualism, where self-expression has become kind of new religion. There is an opinion that the female emancipation was the accelerator in this process..
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Personally, I don't have a problem with TS, TG, TV, or otherwise rare subcultures.  Live and let live.

With regards to biblical reasoning, I don't see how any government can legislate morality, and therefore true obedience.  A government's laws can't legislate "faith" or being "born again". 

So as long as TS, TG, and TV types aren't harming anyone, especially children, there's better ways to invest judicial and legislative branch resources rather than through anti-TG legislation.

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This happens because a Transgenders memlikiki abnormal personality.
Causing problems in Transgenders life.
Transgenders throughout the country is not appreciated,
Only a few of them are able to show off their talent, which may be quite uplifting, this is the over look



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August 24, 2017, 06:10:23 AM
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This happens because a Transgenders memlikiki abnormal personality.
Causing problems in Transgenders life.
Transgenders throughout the country is not appreciated,
Only a few of them are able to show off their talent, which may be quite uplifting, this is the over look

They're also people just like us though. You can't dictate to a person how he or she feels. These people know more about themselves more than us so we must respect them for what they are and what they feel. It doesn't require a specific gender to contribute to society so its just to let them be for who  they are

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They're also people just like us though. You can't dictate to a person how he or she feels. These people know more about themselves more than us so we must respect them for what they are and what they feel. It doesn't require a specific gender to contribute to society so its just to let them be for who  they are

Hmm... I agree with you when you say that we don't need to belong to a particular gender to contribute to the society. But in nature, there are only two genders - male and female. There is nothing in between.

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I am against transgender people and their active propaganda to be normal people. They are not normal people because of their mental abnormalities and show others that it's good to do so.

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Transgenders are confused people who are trying to confuse the rest of the society with their moral relativism and depravity.

do you think they want to live the lives they do?

it doesn't look much fun from where i'm sitting.
i don't think it is right to undergo any kind of operation that would change or revert the gender God has given us. i also think that they will regret it for some time. i am not against third sex but being transgender won't satisfy the need of acceptance in our society

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Transgenders are veery strange people for me. I dont hate them I just cant understand why so many people disturb about some friks Sad

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It should be discussed, I think.
People have a right to define themselves as they want...But there is an important correction - it shouldn't be under some fashion and ultra-liberative affect.
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When i see transgenders i dont like them because almost of them has a bad attitude but when i think that they are like me, a person that needs to be respect i do respect them

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They are a small segment of a very large Human population which gets far too much exposure and attention these days considering they are not very influential or successful.

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In my country, too, do not like transgender people, because they do not want them to distort the idea of children about a normal world. I believe that such people need to be isolated from society until they cure their illness.

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I don't think what's wrong in being a transgender. I don't think it's bad at all. They are also humans. Don't make it big deal. As long as they don't harm anyone, they don't do anything against law, let them live how they want to be. There's a bigger problem than focusing on, focus yourself on those criminals who kill, corrupt, thief, rapist.
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In my country transgenders are treated like animals. Their families give them up and they are raised by groups of transgenders living together, who raise them as their own. They are forced to beg, dance or sell their bodies in order to earn a living. They are looked down upon by the society because of their profession, but it's the society itself who has left them no choice.They are normally bullied, beaten and raped. In spite all of this they manage to put a smile on their face and live their life. In our society they are referred to as 'khawajasira' or 'khusra'. They have no job opportunities and until recently they were not even recognized as legal citizens. A lot of them have been fighting for their rights and they have succeeded to some extent, but honestly their is a long way to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvehhXaFh8U
this video will provide a better understanding of their life.

That's nothing. Communist Russia and China had times in their history where they took ANY kids from their families, and tried to raise them as products of the State. They probably still do this.

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I bet most of you people are homosexual muslims!  Angry

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August 26, 2017, 10:50:02 AM
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I do not consider transgender people to be normal. A normal person will not try to cut off any part of the body and replace it with another, they already have some kind of mental deviation that can harm society.

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August 26, 2017, 11:01:23 AM
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I do not consider transgender people to be normal. A normal person will not try to cut off any part of the body and replace it with another, they already have some kind of mental deviation that can harm society.

If someone thinks that he is a female although biologically he is a male, then it is a tell-tale sign of mental disease. And we should treat such behavior as mental illness, rather than allowing the situation to worsen.

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August 26, 2017, 11:04:39 AM
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In my country transgenders are treated like animals. Their families give them up and they are raised by groups of transgenders living together, who raise them as their own. They are forced to beg, dance or sell their bodies in order to earn a living. They are looked down upon by the society because of their profession, but it's the society itself who has left them no choice.They are normally bullied, beaten and raped. In spite all of this they manage to put a smile on their face and live their life. In our society they are referred to as 'khawajasira' or 'khusra'. They have no job opportunities and until recently they were not even recognized as legal citizens. A lot of them have been fighting for their rights and they have succeeded to some extent, but honestly their is a long way to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvehhXaFh8U
this video will provide a better understanding of their life.

In our country, being a gay or lesbian or even a transgender is treated equally. It's true that there were some cases that there were cases that they were not treated equally but it's just minimal. Our country is starting to be open in terms to this issue. Some respected personality even belongs to this gender and I think they are starting to earn respect.

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August 26, 2017, 11:45:09 AM
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Transgenders are confused people who are trying to confuse the rest of the society with their moral relativism and depravity.

do you think they want to live the lives they do?

it doesn't look much fun from where i'm sitting.
We are the reasons for their damaged morals and lifestyle. Our behavior makes them act that way. Here in Pakistan everybody treats them so badly. A few days ago I saw a man abusing a transgender for begging from his customers. What harm was he doing? If he was so much bothered by him being there begging then why can't he offer him a job? But no he can't his customer won't come then. Our whole society is messed up.
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August 26, 2017, 06:16:21 PM
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Transgenders are confused people who are trying to confuse the rest of the society with their moral relativism and depravity.

do you think they want to live the lives they do?

it doesn't look much fun from where i'm sitting.
We are the reasons for their damaged morals and lifestyle. Our behavior makes them act that way. Here in Pakistan everybody treats them so badly. A few days ago I saw a man abusing a transgender for begging from his customers. What harm was he doing? If he was so much bothered by him being there begging then why can't he offer him a job? But no he can't his customer won't come then. Our whole society is messed up.
That's true. The transgender people act the way they act because of how we treat them. Here in our country, the LGBTQ Community has been very active in promoting the Anti-Descrimination Law for their goodnes. I mean, there is nothing to not love about the LGBTQ People, all we have to do is to accept them for who they really are and expect to get the same treatment from them in return.

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August 27, 2017, 12:13:11 PM
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Transgender people try to corrupt children by their behavior. I believe that such people need to be isolated from society and prohibit sex-change operations. It is better to engage in more useful developments, rather than destroy the psyche of millions of people.

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August 27, 2017, 12:23:15 PM
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In my place transgender also been treat poorly, they often being mocked and some people really treat them harshly, I felt pity on them, I think transgender should be treated equally like us, they also human like us, as long as they dont do any harm I am okay with transgender society

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August 27, 2017, 12:39:02 PM
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Transgenders also have the rights to live their life normally, in todays society people often don't accept changes in our society and this is a big problem of humanity. Let us accept change in our lives and live peacefully without arguing with what others want, it is their lives and we need to respect that.

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August 29, 2017, 12:07:32 PM
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Transgenders also have the rights to live their life normally, in todays society people often don't accept changes in our society and this is a big problem of humanity. Let us accept change in our lives and live peacefully without arguing with what others want, it is their lives and we need to respect that.

Very well said. People have the right to choose what makes them happy and it's our responsibility to respect those choices as long as they don't hurt anyone. There are a lot of trans people that are a big help to society, more help than those who thinks ill about them

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August 29, 2017, 10:01:40 PM
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This happens because a Transgenders memlikiki abnormal personality.
Causing problems in Transgenders life.
Transgenders throughout the country is not appreciated,
Only a few of them are able to show off their talent, which may be quite uplifting, this is the over look

They're also people just like us though. You can't dictate to a person how he or she feels. These people know more about themselves more than us so we must respect them for what they are and what they feel. It doesn't require a specific gender to contribute to society so its just to let them be for who  they are
Are you a Transgenders person?
I really do not like people who are Transgenders
it's just like self-harassment
if you are a Transgenders maybe you should be in kucilkan also here,
I do this
because I want them to be aware,
That their actions are very disgraceful



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August 30, 2017, 05:10:55 PM
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Transgenders are openly expressive to the things that they want and i commend them for that. Transgenders should be treated like the rest of us do. We should just let them be themselves and not treat them like some kind of animal. This is the proof why humans are close minded beings, they think that everything in this world should be normal, plain and dull like the characteristics that they have. Spotting the odd one out of the bunch wont do them any good.

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...They are forced to beg, dance or sell their bodies in order to earn a living....

Why would someone pay to a transgender for sex if there is such a despised collective?
Society is insane sometimes.
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That's awful Sad really makes you thankful for living in a country where (in theory that is) can be and love who they want..

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I believe that transgender people do not belong among normal people, because they are mentally ill and try to show it to everyone. They need to be treated in psychiatric hospitals and only then released to normal people.

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August 31, 2017, 10:24:58 PM
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I have a negative attitude towards transgender people, because they do not want to treat their mental disorder, but spend a lot of money for a sex change operation. They show a bad example for children and they need to be prohibited from doing sex-change surgeries, and instead treat them.

The problem is that they don't want to undergo full sex-transformation surgery. Instead, they opt for partial reconfiguration. For example, many of the transgenders (who were born as male) undergo breast augmentation surgery. But they refuse to undergo penis removal.


I believe they are just perverts they want to be touching themselves all the time, if you are really a man and want to transition to womanhood got cut your dick off and let them give you a complete sexual change.



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September 01, 2017, 12:43:20 AM
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In my country transgenders are treated like animals. Their families give them up and they are raised by groups of transgenders living together, who raise them as their own. They are forced to beg, dance or sell their bodies in order to earn a living. They are looked down upon by the society because of their profession, but it's the society itself who has left them no choice.They are normally bullied, beaten and raped. In spite all of this they manage to put a smile on their face and live their life. In our society they are referred to as 'khawajasira' or 'khusra'. They have no job opportunities and until recently they were not even recognized as legal citizens. A lot of them have been fighting for their rights and they have succeeded to some extent, but honestly their is a long way to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvehhXaFh8U
this video will provide a better understanding of their life.

here in my country we accept transgender people. we treat them nicely and their family accept and love them for who they are. for me they have their own right to make and do what will makes them happy. as long as they were a ggod person and ddnt do bad they deserve to be respected also

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September 01, 2017, 01:22:49 AM
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I believe they are just perverts they want to be touching themselves all the time, if you are really a man and want to transition to womanhood got cut your dick off and let them give you a complete sexual change.

I completely agree with you. If they want to be female, then let them undergo complete sexual change. Partial gender re-alignment is never a solution. Because there is no third gender in between male and female.

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September 01, 2017, 10:17:51 AM
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Why gender is an issue in this world today? Just leave them alone and  have a free life as long as they are not degrading you, you must back off and mind your own life

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in my country the transgender in the foreign because we think he experienced kelain and can be called abnormal, maybe in other countries trangender can be accepted but in our country trangender not received.

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It's good that in our country they are negative about transgender people, because they are hurting their normal world with their hysteria. A man must remain a man all his life and do men's deeds, and not cut off his dick. The same applies to women.

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Epicene are transparently show to the things that they need and i laud them for that. Epicene ought to be dealt with like whatever remains of us do. We should simply give them a chance to act naturally and not treat them like some sort of creature. This is the confirmation why people are close disapproved of creatures, they feel that everything in this world ought to be ordinary, plain and dull like the attributes that they have. Detecting the oddball of the cluster wont benefit them in any way. Why sexual orientation is an issue in this world today? Simply allow them to sit unbothered and have a free life as long as they are not debasing you, you should back off and mind your own life.

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Actually transgender in my society are not allowed.
Or i can say,  they get abusing.
But specially,  some of them who do positive thing will get respect.
For example some of them being barber, wedding organizer or singer.
So they can socialize well with people around them.
But not for the transgender who do negative thing,  people can be angry and will abuse them far away from their society.
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In my country transgenders are treated like animals. Their families give them up and they are raised by groups of transgenders living together, who raise them as their own. They are forced to beg, dance or sell their bodies in order to earn a living. They are looked down upon by the society because of their profession, but it's the society itself who has left them no choice.They are normally bullied, beaten and raped. In spite all of this they manage to put a smile on their face and live their life. In our society they are referred to as 'khawajasira' or 'khusra'. They have no job opportunities and until recently they were not even recognized as legal citizens. A lot of them have been fighting for their rights and they have succeeded to some extent, but honestly their is a long way to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvehhXaFh8U
this video will provide a better understanding of their life.

transgender they treat also as a animal but they didnt think that almost a lot of transgender had a contribution in country.

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Transgender people are abnormal people who need mental treatment. I do not see any useful contribution to society other than propagating sex-change operations and misleading children. For example, I saw a beautiful girl and I want to meet her to create a family, but it turns out to be a transgender with a member and a big chest. I want to live in a normal world.

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It's very sad to read all these comments. Transgender are not ill, they don't hurt anyone. Why do you blame them?
Some years ago, homosexuals were treated like they were dement, now it's trangenders. Be open minded please

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I am not against with transgender but I don't like my sister to change their sex, there are girls and they are lesbian, they don't also want to change their genders, they are contented with what they have right now.  Cheesy



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This intensely felt sense of being transgendered constitutes a mental disorder in two respects. The first is that the idea of sex misalignment is simply mistaken – it does not correspond with physical reality. The second is that it can lead to grim psychological outcomes...

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Abstract: This article attempts a dispassionate outline of practices normally dealt with only in sensationalistic literature: namely, the induction and maintenance of hypersubmissive behavior in biologically normal male humans, including induced fetishism, transvestism, and eonistic (transsexual) states.
The induction and maintenance of hypersubmissive behavior in biologically normal males has been reported in the sensational press for some time. These reports surface in stories of female-dominant “training” of male subjects to satisfy the female’s individual standard of dominant behavior until the male subjects become psychologically dependent on the female “trainer” and become highly plastic personalities. Many of the accounts can be dismissed as fantastic in nature, but the recurring theme points to a need for more serious investigation. This process of serious investigation has been hindered by lack of reliable accounts and by popular voyeuristic reporting of the condition.
Occasional role and power reversal fantasies are usually recognized as being within the range of observed normal behavior. Such fantasies (with limited acting-out) may occur as part of the healthy development of the heterosexual couple. The male may become bored with the role of aggressor, the female may wish to demonstrate overt seductive behavior. The role and power reversal fantasy may account for some, but not all, of the pseudo- sadomasochistic practices (occasional restraint of partner by mutual consent, for example) observed in both clinical and popular literature.
Unfortunately, little statistical evidence about the prevalence of this fantasy subtype exists. Anecdotal responses by males in responses to survey questions may be misleading because of shame-based reactions to being thought “less than virile” in the eyes of a masculinist culture.
In this study, we present a practical methodology for accomplishing submissiveness training and the induction of extremely submissive, even cross-gender behavior in the biologically normal male by chemical, psychological, hypnotic, and physical means. The methodology is a composite based on in-depth surveys of two feminist- dominant couples. We will cover selection, early destabilization of masculinist personality traits, induced hyper-aestheticism, extermination of masculine characteristics, induced transvestism and culminate in one case of induced transsexualism.
We shall use the term trainer for the female-dominant member of the couple and the term subject for the male submissive member.
Setting Expectations

It is perhaps little surprise that the largest long term problem in such relationships results from the enormous emotional investment the trainer places in the subject. While the cultural model of the more emotionally open male has been touted in much popular literature, a completely emotionally open subject can be a drain on the trainer’s psychological resources. Care should be taken to set realistic expectation levels during training of the subject both for the subject’s progress toward dependency and for the establishment of “obedience responses” toward the trainer. Complete conversion of the subject from a traditional to a hypersubmissive affect may require as much as five year’s effort. Of course, radical approaches exist, but in the context of the couples studied, it was noted that the subjects volunteered for more radical transformations once the initial processing had begun. Neither trainer had recourse to violence or physical punishment as a means of securing the desired results. Indeed, these methods avoided the sensationalistic model of humiliation experiences and focused on mutuality and sharing of emotional states as a motivator for the transformation of the subject.
Selection

The ideal subject would have little emotional binding to any family situation, be sexually adventurous, have a strong self-image (necessary to avoid excessive transference during destruction of the masculinist personality), and have a strong sense of humor. A fascination with women in general and a deep appreciation of qualities traditionally associated with femininity are also highly desirable. Males whose vocational or business interests involve high aesthetic training (artists, beauty professionals, poets) appear to be promising candidates. So-called “liberated men” who are already questioning their role and the consequences of masculinist culture provide ideal subjects.
Physical qualities the trainer finds attractive will also play a role in selection of the subject. Both examples interviewed were remarkable from the standpoint of their selection: sexual dimorphism between the trainer and the subjects was relatively low. Both trainers were the same approximate height and weight as their subjects. For reasons which will be enumerated later, an ectomorphic somatotype yields the most promising candidates for advanced training. Fine facial features are a plus, but not wholly necessary.
Selection of the male may proceed from casual dating to early sexual situations, in which sexual adventurism and a sense of acting out “forbidden” fantasies of power and role reversal can be tried. Subjects showing strong aversion to such practices should be eliminated. Although unsubstantiated reports indicate that these males can be trained effectively, no substantive evidence has been presented that this can indeed be accomplished.
The wise trainer will develop extensive hypnotic and neurolinguistic programming skill before beginning a conversion of a subject as the services of sympathetic professionals are often difficult to secure, and are often prohibitively expensive.
Additionally, a suitable setting for conversion is a great asset. A physical location that affords minimal disruption and minimial possiblity of outside interference is a great benefit to any potential trainer. It is important that the subject’s contact with others be limited during the early phase of the extermination of the masculinist personality.
Early destabilization of masculinist traits

On the whole, progress toward androgynous child rearing has been appalling slow. Despite a generation of children reared since the early days of the feminist enlightenment, gender stereotyping is still promoted by parental behavior patterns. This may be a result of prevalent homophobic value systems, or it may represent an atavistic response to the two-career family – the psychological stress and time pressures of the two-career couple leave little time for the individualized attention that a truly gender neutral environment requires for assimilation.
Thus, subjects will resist early attempts at overt effeminization though a combination of defensive reactions and shame-based behaviors. “I couldn’t color my hair
[in a bright color] like that- I have to go to work!” or “I’d feel silly wearing eyeshadow!” despite the fact that either procedure may result in a dramatic improvement in the subject’s normal (and at this phase, still masculine) appearance, when done discreetly as a prelude to intensified versions in the subject to follow.
The effective trainer will overcome resistance in four ways:
1. Through the use of chemical euphorics which render the subject more open to “experimenting” with its identity. Although sensationalist literature cites the need for large amounts of chemical intervention at this stage to disorient the subject and increase its dependence on the trainer, our research indicates that this may be counterproductive. Through a combination of chemical disorientation and the items below, early extermination of masculine behavior can be achieved. However, such early massive pharmacological intervention to accomplish the extermination of the masculinist personality traits may leave the subject excessively dependent on the trainer, (which poses a burden for her) or worse yet, neurochemically damaged and unsuitable for further training. Some authors in the sensationalist literature have advocated large doses of hypnotics or hallucinogens at this stage in the hope of producing retro-amnesiac states. This practice appears to be undesirable both from the unreliable quality characteristics of commonly supplied street-available hypnotics and hallucinogens, and because the use of euphorics better prepares the subject to willingly explore the next stage of transformation. Low continuous doses of tranquilizers such as Valium appear to be most effective, both for the ataractic properties and because they may be readily obtained in pharmacologic form of known quality. Effectiveness appears to be increased if they are administered covertly, at least at first, and if pharmacological therapy is of at least two month’s duration.
2. Through the use of both overt and covert behavioralist techniques to condition the subject’s psychological reflexes and defense mechanisms. This may include the granting or withholding of sexual favors. Behavior conditioning that emphasizes emotional expression and androgynous activity is appropriate in this category. The subject should be encouraged to proceed through internal conflict resolution almost as if in a conventional psychotheraputic setting. The difference between training and conventional theraputic settings is that the trainer will deliberately encourage the transference of positive feelings to herself and encourage rather than discourage emotional dependence on the part of the subject. It is important to resolve these more conventional problems (aggression, youth experiences, etc.) for two reasons: One, dealing with deeply felt emotions will enable more positive transference to the supportive trainer. Two, by resolving conventional conflicts early the induction of extreme submissivity can be achieved by exploiting the gratitude of the subject. This may lay the groundwork for induced eonism at a later date, and makes successful reassignment quicker and easier, as much of the basic psychotheraputic screening of eonists will be already accomplished.
Sexually rewarding androgynous behaviors and encouraging more inter-gender sex play will lay a foundation for the later and more complete destruction of the masculine personality traits. Particularly effective techniques include the appeal to the spirit of adventurousness required on the part of the subject. If the subject can be led to think that androgynization (at this stage still conducted in the couple’s more private moments) is an expression of sexual daring and is lavishly rewarded sexually for experimenting, then it will be easier to move to more traditionally feminine behaviors on the part of the subject.
3. By emphasizing the masculinist-ego gratifying component: The optimal approach appears to be an appeal to security: “Only a man really secure about his masculinity would have the courage to try [the intended procedure].” This allows the subject to justify the behavior as an experiment, and therefore the behavior is less likely to be viewed as a direct assault on the subject’s masculinist ego. Of course, the resulting internal conflict that occurs as the result of contrasting hypermasculinist cultural programming with the androgyny-rewarding behavior of the (overtly female) trainer can be exploited. This is made all the easier because of cultural conditioning that alienates the subject from the nature of its own emotional state. The trainer steps in to resolve the conflict through reassurance and gentle encouragement of even more “adventurous” sex-play, and the subject may be drawn further toward demasculinization.
4. Hypnotherapy and neuro-linguistic programming are extremely effective when introduced at this stage. Pretexts to have the subject enter therapy abound: cessation of a smoking habit, stress reduction, etc., can all be used as a reason to introduce the subject to mind-control technology which can then be exploited by the trainer. An ideal situation is to have the therapist as a covert partner in the activity. Hypnosis can be used to relax the subject and break down defensive mechanisms, so that the subject can truly afford to enjoy the attention being given by the trainer. Neurolinguistic programming may be used to gradually initiate new sexual fantasies focusing on the rewarding of the subject by the trainer for appropriate (i.e., androgynous or even feminine) behavior.
The traditional cautions have to be emphasized that hypnosis cannot break down willpower completely, and that even advanced hypnotic states cannot override the basic morality of the subject. However, the hypnotic state may be used to induce confusion about the subject’s psychosexual identity, which the trainer can then aid in resolving toward her objectives when the subject is returned to a conscious state. This is especially effective if the trainer inserts her own goals in the context of a fantasy-sharing experience. The hypnotic state introduces these shared goals at a subliminal level, and the context of fantasy provides a “safe escape” for the remaining masculinist personality. At this stage the ultimate objective must not be revealed to the subject, thus the emphasis on fantasy- sharing and subliminal manipulation.
Biofeedback and brain-wave alteration devices have not been evaluated for effectiveness by either couple in this study.
Sadomasochistic Phase

Despite claims in the sensational literature, there is no evidence that a fully developed sadomasochistic phase is required to induce hypersubmissive or cross-gender behavior in the subject. Of course, it may be the easiest way for the trainer to assume the single dominant role in the relationship, and the most directly intelligible to the subject. If this technique is chosen, training should emphasize instilling in the subject a deep desire to pleasure the trainer, no matter what the nature of the request. Aversion therapy to masculine behavior has been employed late in this phase, usually focusing on physical punishment for failure to satisfy the trainer. It is the experience of both couples in this study that no aversion therapy was necessary, and where proper foundations for the hypersubmissive personality were established, the subjects willingly and easily assumed their new role in the relationship.
Induced Hyper-asetheticism

Several commentators have postulated that gender dysphoria in a biologically normal male may be traced to hyper- aesthetic personality traits. These traits include:
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The state of being separated from their own body awareness outside a conventional sexual context (which accounts, in part, for the egocentric sexual performance of many conventional males).
The state of being separated from their emotional condition.
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Conventional masculinist culture places a premium on suppressing sensory stimuli and hyperrational ideation. Males are conditioned to “think through” a situation “rationally” as a way of differentiating themselves from feminine individuals, who are conditioned to place a higher value on empathy and both biological and physical self-awareness. These are weaknesses which can be exploited by the astute trainer.
During this phase, ataractic pharmacotherapy should be increased, and may be administered overtly depending on the subject. This modifies inhibition reactions in the subject and allows conditioning to proceed.
It is during this phase that sensual behavior should be exploited to its fullest. Remembering the basic inability of the subject to fully comprehend its own state, flooding the sensory inputs of the subject with novel stimuli (particularly sensual-sexual stimuli) are an effective way of breaking down the masculinist self-concept.
The subject should now be initiated in limited ways into an overtly androgynous life style. Using the pretext of updating its image, the trainer may usefully initiate the subject to more extensive cosmetic use. Emphasize the positive reaction from other females and the resultant improvement in the subject’s appearance. Sexually reward experimentation. A useful addition to pharmacotherapy is to increase sedation before planned exercises in image modification, and to continue increased dosage until sexual reward has been granted, thus increasing the effectiveness of the behavioral conditioning.
Particularly useful is the introduction of body and skin- care practices, which may be used to focus the subject’s awareness inward. Cosmetic practices that require “passive” participation by the subject (done in professional settings to the subject and requiring time to process [e.g., heat activated hair conditioners]) may be useful, as they begin to build a pattern of future submission to the trainer’s tastes and a pattern of allowing the subject’s image to be manipulated with their willing participation. One of the study couples reported excellent results when the trainer administered 10mg of Valium, hypnotized the subject, and then proceeded to direct extensive modification of the subject’s appearance (although not overt effeminization at this stage).
These attempts at building a narcissistic experience need reinforcement from other means: Neurolinguistic programming is vitally important as a means of refocusing parts of the subject’s fantasy life inward on emotional gratification that comes from physical “pampering” and the emotional attention granted by the trainer.
The trainer should also encourage the subject to display a full emotional range, beginning in the privacy of the domestic environment. Particularly important is the development of a grief processing mechanism, focusing on using crying as a release for pent-up senses of loss and frustration. Loss of emotional defense should be encouraged. All dependency is to be transferred to the trainer at this point.
During this phase of training, the subject should be encouraged to take up an aesthetic hobby: cosmetology, flower arranging, gourmet cooking, needlepoint, art, and knitting are all useful as shared activities which bond the subject to the experience of the trainer.
The practical benefits of such hobbies should not be underestimated: where the trainer elects to exterminate the masculinist personality completely, these hobbies may serve as the basis of new income producing skills (as most subjects entering the next phase of training will have to confront the consequences of behavior considered “gender- inappropriate” in the workplace. All these activities require developed sensitivity and attention to detail in a context which can become a shared pastime between trainer and subject. The sense of completely shared experience will serve as the emotional basis for the next phase, which involves substituting identification with the trainer for the sharing experiences building now.
This phase also presents the opportunity to construct the basis of the hypersubmissive personality. While some trainers elect to stop at this point, this article will continue through additional phases.
Developing the hypersubmissive behaviors can now be easily accomplished by a combination of behavior modification technique to reward the subject, and a mix of hypnosis and neurolinguistic programming to instill a strong desire to please the trainer. This should be exaggerated until the subject does not consider the consequences of its behavior: alteration of emotional state on voice command of the trainer, induced physical responses to voice commands (e.g., sexual display), or alteration of the fulfillment mechanisms to voice or non-verbal command (e.g., the subject automatically rejecting argument in favor of submission during emotional discussions or directed changes in food, clothing or color preferences).
These practices are aimed at a common point: increasing sensual experience as mediated by the trainer. Proper conditioning results in the subject having euphoric reactions to the experimentation, revelling in both the attention of the trainer and the physical experience of being processed. The trainer then can move on to the induction of psychological dependence by rewarding the behavior so as to reinforce it. This phase should take between six to ten months.
Preparation of the subject for further training includes planning career changes to a more androgynous vocation. Skills acquired and interest shown during the “hobby training” started now can be used to provide a basis for a new economic identity. Neurolinguistic programming appears to be the most effective vehicle for accomplishing this task.
One other practical innovation should be discussed at this point. This phase is the last good opportunity to initiate the subject in the performance of domestic duties: laundry, housekeeping, cooking, food shopping, etc., all can be turned into excellent practical advantage, particularly if the subject is unable to make a vocational change immediately. The practical result is that a reduction in total income may be felt, but it will be in part compensated for by the reduction in outside service expense for domestic chores now performed by the subject. Reward for good performance reinforces these practical skills, and builds pride in the subject’s growing mastery of the traditionally feminine role. Letting this key component of training start past this phase may result in the induced hyper-aetheticism and narcissism, but with the side effect of lowering the available contribution of the subject to the couple’s domestic economy.
While this phase is ending, best results seemed to occur with the gradual withdrawal of Valium pharmacotherapy toward the end of the cycle, combined with the usual supportive measures. This is in preparation for the next phase of training, in which the pharmacological equirements switch from assisting ataraxis to producing euphoric reactions.
Exterminating Masculinist Traits

The complete breakdown of gender identification of the subject is the next phase of training. The base for hypersubmissive behavior having been formed, further changes can be more easily made as the subject’s desire to please the trainer makes it even more plastic.
A key change is this phase is a change in pharmacotherapy: In order to establish the base of a traditionally feminine personality, euphorics rather than simple ataractics are called for as part of the protocol. One trainer reported good results with Tranxene, given at conventional pharmacologic levels. Trainers are strongly advised to follow dispensing cautions. The other trainer found Reserpil to be the medication of choice. Reserpil has more complicated side effects than Tranxene, but one stands out as potentially desirable for this use: the administration of Reserpil sometimes induces gynecomastia (enlargement of the breast tissues) in biologically normal males.
Vocational change is the first major step of this phase, which involves separating the subject from the reality of its former existence. Even if the subject is not yet able to fully exercise the productive skills taught in the previous phase, it is preferable that the subject contribute only to the domestic economy in non-cash forms rather than that the subject to continue its former way of life. Of course, if opportunity exists to obtain gainful outside employment in a career traditionally viewed as “feminine”, so much the better.
The vocational change now serves as the pretext for the first true realignment of the subject’s gender identity. Using preparation for its new role as an introduction, the trainer should now concentrate on gradually crossing from androgynization to outright effeminization of the subject: removal of all remaining body hair (preferably permanently), brow shaping, hair coloring, and the frank application of makeup in accordance with the desire to produce a credible feminine appearance and the trainer’s personal tastes are but a beginning. The subject should be encouraged (via hypnosis and neurolinguistic programming) to increase its overtly feminine appearance: “feminine” clothing introduced over a six- to eight- month period should now be completely substituted for its previous apparel. Do not allow the subject to dress in unrestrictive clothing at this stage: even jeans, for example, may remind the subject of its previous masculinist experience and send a mixed message which undercuts the trainer’s authority.
One technique that proved effective was for the trainer to enter the subject for a complete professional cosmetic make-over at this stage while in a pharmacological euphoria reinforced through post-hypnotic suggestion. The induced gender confusion was further rewarded by behavior therapy when the couple returned home, with the result that the subject actually looked forward to future sessions on its own.
Combine the pharmacological therapy with further behavior training at this stage. The trainer should encourage the subject using the basic four techniques discussed during the de-stabilization process, with an important change: the desire to please the trainer (upon whom the subject has now become emotionally dependent) is substituted for the gratification of the masculinist ego, which should now be ruthlessly suppressed. This outer transformation into overtly feminine aspect is more easily accomplished with an ectomorphic subject, as the basic body frame will need minimum cosmetic change to produce a convincingly feminine appearance. Ectomorphic bodies can often get by without recourse to specially fitted apparel, which reduces cost of the transformation. If size difference between the trainer and the subject is low, the ectomorphic subject may provide the option of simply sharing the trainer’s wardrobe, which has the added benefit of increasing identification with the trainer even further, and reinforces the building equation between its newly acknowledged feminine nature and the historically feminine trainer. Endomorphs will often require special attention to diet and exercise programs to achieve suitable body shapes for a pleasing transformation in appearance. The classic mesomorphic male body is least promising of all, (due to shoulder/chest/waist/hip ratios) but with suitable attention to detail and the cooperation of a number of stores catering to transvestites, may be externally effeminized with moderately good results.
Additionally, the sexual cycle of the subject often needs modification. By a combination of good technique and reward, the subject should be encouraged to be relatively insensitive to penile stimulus after the excitement phase.
Teach the subject to focus on foreplay and elongate the plateau phase of the sexual act. Induce long-duration post-orgasmic sensations of extreme pleasure. This will allow the trainer to produce a male anatomy with a female arousal cycle, overcoming the normal male’s problem of too short a sexual cycle time from arousal to post-orgasmic “afterglow”. Obviously, this requires the trainer to postpone her own gratification temporarily during training to produce a sexual cycle in the subject more closely matched to her own needs. This is yet another example of how the serious trainer must face the reality of the responsibility she has taken on for both members of the pair.
Neurolinguistic programming should be stepped up, with an emphasis on identification with the trainer and the introduction of new fantasies centered on union with her (by fulfilling her commands and desires) as the basis for the new priorities in the subject’s life. Response to basic voice command should be perfected now, with an eye toward satisfying the subject with simple verbal rewards: these rewards should praise the subject’s feminine characteristics: “How pretty you are!” or “Good girl!” can be used as trigger phrases for a post-hypnotic suggestion that creates intense pleasure in the subject and can be used as the basis for further behavior modification.
An important choice is now one of a gender-appropriate name for the subject. For trainers wishing to retain completely feminine behavior of their subjects to the domestic setting, an androgynous name (e.g., Robin, Chris, Kim, Lynn) has advantages. For trainers with higher standards who desire total effeminization of their subjects, a completely unambiguous name should be chosen: (e.g., Diana, Barbara, etc.) appropriate for the trainers culture and preference. This may be used as a “pet name” at first, but for more lasting results this procedure appears useful: Renaming the subject consists of a series of hypnotic and neurolinguistic programming sessions focusing on the subject’s desire for a new identity, and the creation of minor psychological discomfort in the subject with the inappropriateness of its existing name. The trainer once again steps in to resolve the conflict by offering a new identity more appropriate to the subject’s expressed gender, which reinforces her image as protector and provider of all that is good in the subject’s life.
One important consideration at this stage is the decision by the trainer as to whether or not the subject should retain any identification with its former life, particularly memories of a childhood of a different gender than it clearly has now. This is a difficult decision and has important practical consequences. On the one hand, exterminating any memory of the subject’s past life and the substitution of a suitable biographic fantasy allows for maximum control over the subject. A combination of increased Tranxene therapy and daily or even twice daily hypnotic and neurolinguistic programming sessions may be required to completely disorient the subject from its life history. Ideally, these should be assisted by the professional who first introduced these practices. Do not expect this phase to take less than four months. Six months’ duration appears “average.” This is why a subject with few or weak ties to family or location is preferable. However, this makes the subject’s psychological attachment to and dependence on the trainer unshakeable.
For maximum effectiveness, a change of even geographic location (giving both trainer and subject “a fresh start in a new place” with their new identities) has significant advantages, although an abrupt overt move may raise legal questions if the subject has family importantly concerned with the subject’s status.
A complete break with the subject’s past may open up the possibility that the subject’s relatives may attempt to kidnap the subject for interrogation (claiming “he” has fallen under some kind of “cult” influence). A properly trained subject whose identity is firmly centered around the trainer can easily tolerate examination in such a way as to convince even experts that this change was initiated and approved by the subject, although it is better to avoid conflict and any possibility of disturbing the subject’s programming. Fortunately, suitable precautions against deprogramming should be easy at this stage. Well planned moves that result in the covert removal of both trainer and subject to new locations with new legal identities are still the best way to continue complete control.
If the subject is allowed to retain memories of “her” past, they should be suitably modified to insert a cross- gender desire from the earliest times. This may leave a subject with minor residual self-awareness, but it is the easier and more practical choice if the trainer does not desire to relocate and/or desires to avoid any questions about the process from the subject’s relatives.
The introduction of the most fantastic sexual practices will be eagerly welcomed by the subject at this stage, and the trainer has now has as her reward an eagerly obedient, classically conditioned, and completely effeminized mate, who can serve as lover, best friend, and companion (which due to cultural training conventional males cannot attempt), as well as a fantasy-partner and source of ego-gratification to the trainer.
A last important step of this phase is the removal of pharmacotherapy as a means of control over the subject, who has by now internalized a desire to please the trainer to a sufficient degree that pharmacotherapy should now be used as a special reward or reinforcement rather than as a routine procedure.
Hypnotic and neurolinguistic programming should be stepped up during withdrawl of pharmacotherapy, and then reduced to maintenance levels.
Induced inter-sexualism

At this point, many trainers simply stop: a completely submissive transvestite mate who can share and appreciate all her interests and tastes may well be enough for any trainer. However, some other steps may be in order.
An important additional pharmacotherapy may be instituted now: the administration of feminizing hormones to the subject to complete a female upper body profile, depending on the tastes of the trainer. As a practical matter, feminizing the subject to this level requires little additional effort and has the positive character of making “her” role in the world more natural and easier. In particular, suitably clothing the subject is made easier because of the enhancement of choice and the greater ease of shopping together for new garments.
Administration of Estinyl or Premarin, and Brevicon or Norinyl in the appropriate dosage cycle have proven effective in recontouring the body and inducing secondary female sexual characteristics.
Trainers may induce a self-directed breast fetishism in the subject, allowing the subject to more fully share a common sexual arousal feeling with the trainer as a reward. This shared sexual feeling, coupled with the modification to the subject’s sexual cycle completed in the previous phase results in an extremely plastic inter-gender partner trained to a peak of responsiveness.
In addition, if the feminizing hormones are administered in such a way as to correspond to the natural menstrual cycle of the trainer, more complete identification can be achieved, although this risks producing a biological source of potential conflict if difficult or painful menstruation is the common experience of the trainer, who must take care to induce pseudo-menstrual behavior in the subject as a way of increasing identification and sympathy for the trainer, carefully avoiding producing a complimentary pre-menstrual syndrome in the subject. It should be noted that administration of feminizing hormones typically results in libido changes in the subject, but modification of the subject’s psychosexual state may now lead to orgasmic reactions even if physical orgasm is not possible or supressed.
Subjects conditioned to this degree represent a compromise in partner choices for the trainer, but a positive compromise: the advantage of satisfaction by a male anatomy, the possibility of pregnancy (if desired), while allowing for complete satisfaction of the trainer’s needs by the now overtly intersexual partner which allows the fulfillment of homoerotic fantasy within the context of heterosexual contact. The subject can be trained to any selected degree of emotional sensitivity and support appropriate for the continued pleasure of the trainer. Shared behaviors and responses allow closer bonding than would be possible with a conventional male. In some sense, the trainer risks becoming involved in mutual dependence relationships with the subject, who has by now been so conditioned to attend to the trainer’s needs and wants that those needs and wants cannot be easily fulfilled by another partner.
Induced Eonism

One of the two couples whose experience form the basis of this article has opted for a complete transformation of formerly male partner. D., aged 26, after five years’ training, is now a candidate for sexual reassignment surgery. This process is not complete at the time of writing, but progress has been rapid.
Since the subject has already lived as a female for more than three years, and has independently begun taking feminizing hormones for more than 18 months, medical evaluation leading to a diagnosis of eonism was swift. Indeed, the subject has so completely identified with the female aspects of her trainer that no other conclusion appeared possible. Early monitoring and adjustment of hormonal therapy is giving rapid progress toward a completely female body structure. Limited plastic surgery has been performed to reshape the subject’s brow ridges and remove the male throat cartilage, as well as narrow the nasal aspect. These changes taken together have completed a final external effeminization that makes the subject undetectable as a genetic male except by pubic examination. Given limited access to her medical records, we cannot definitively comment on the success of her planned operation in four month’s time, but relay the diagnosis of her physicians that her prognosis is excellent. Her trainer has indicated her willingness to live with her friend (and current legal husband) to the medical community, ostensibly as a support mechanism to the subject. Both D. and her trainer (the use of the masculine possessive seems inappropriate now) report that they are happy with the decision and report that their personal affection and mutual dependence is more important than the conventional view of the sexual relationship.
Long Term Considerations

There are a number of issues to be confronted in the long- term care and maintenance of these subjects:
1. In both cases, the extermination of previous personality required extensive work in rebuilding a suitable and credible biographic fiction for the subject, as simple amnesia of all past life proved too disturbing to tolerate.
2. In both cases, the subject must spend a large part of its remaining life in a state of hypnotic trance or post-hypnotic suggestion. This requires a significant investment of time and emotional resource to maintain. If the subject is allowed to be conventionally conscious for long periods, induced amnesia and the restructuring of personality effectively prevents regression to a normal masculinist personality. However, self-awareness may lead to independent functioning of the subject’s ego, which is what hypersubmissiveness training seeks to avoid.
A secondary effect is that the subject cannot be allowed employment which requires high degrees of concentration or mental activity. This may eventually “dull down” the personality of the subject and reduce its value to the trainer in its role as companion. Shared mental stimulation is important to retain its value to the trainer. This must be mediated by the trainer and directed by her, and may require significant effort.
3. The hypersubmissive subject displays extreme anxiety at separation from the trainer for more than the briefest intervals or when left alone in an unstructured setting. Care must be taken lest the subject develop depressive conditions during required abscenses of the trainer for more than a few day’s duration, as suicidal ideation may ensue.
4. The biological effects of administering large doses of feminizing hormones to biologically normal males may include increased risk of thrombosis or myocardial infarction and increased risk of some kinds of cancers. During peak administration, signs of depression have also been noted. It is important to have suitable, competent medical monitoring of the subject.
5. Subjects on long term psychopharmacologic therapy should be closely monitored and dispensing instructions should be carefully followed. Particular caution should be exercised when combining alcohol with any ataractic or euphoric. Trainers are cautioned to have the subject avoid all alcohol consumption during its training, or provide suitable non-alcoholic substitutes. Under no circumstances should the trainer be taking any psychoactive drugs herself during the time the subject is being medicated, as she is now responsible for the physical and mental well being of both individuals during training, and cannot afford to make mistakes in dispensing these powerful medications.
6. For those contemplating either the administration of feminizing hormones or the induction of an eonistic state, recall that the while the effects of hormonal therapy are at least in principle reversible through radical mastectomy, surgical reassignment of sex is not reversible in any satisfactory way. While the male-to- female transformation is comparatively uncomplicated, there is as yet no good reliable procedure to construct a phallus. Therefore the couple must be very sure that this extra step is indeed what they want, and ideally the subject should be allowed sufficient consciousness to participate (albeit in a limited way) in the decision.
7. Complete conversion of a subject is an expensive and time consuming process. A minimum investment of US$250,000 will be required, and long term costs may raise the total cost to over US$800,000. This means that financial resources adequate to begin the task must be acquired before proceeding, and that it is likely that the subject will be required to devote its lifetime earnings after transformation to pay for its processing. Couples without adequate resources are advised not to proceed into later stages of training. A five to eight year committment is required to completely process a subject in the manner described.
8. The trainer must confront the moral responsibility for directing such an extensive change in another’s life. There is no way to simply “return” the subject to its condition prior to training, although one report came to our attention of a trainer who could no longer cope with the burden, and induced conventional insanity with the goal of allowing conventional therapy to restore an independent condition (but not the original condition) to the subject. This produced a depressive reaction in the trainer, as she took it as a “failure” of her ability, and it was required that she enter psychotherapy to deal with guilt-associated feelings. The subject was reported as having been committed for long term psychiatric hospitalization and no further information was available.
At least this should serve as a cautionary note.
A Personal aside

During the six months it took to research this article, and over fifty interviews (which were not recorded except as notes at the couples’ request), we found our own perspective shifting. At first, interest in the topic for academic research shifted into a faint feeling of personal antipathy for any person who could so completely and methodically destroy the individuality of another. Despite strong convictions that our current masculinist chauvinist culture is in desperate need of replacement, we questioned whether this was appropriate, or whether this practice merely involved reverse exploitation that left the trainers as morally guilty as the chauvinists.
Yet in both cases, based on separate interviews with the subjects while not in the trainer’s influence, we could not help but be surprised by the apparent satisfaction and happiness of the subjects (even when measured by psychological tests of personality and attitude). Perhaps there exists in all of us some need to bond completely with another human that these practices exaggerate and charicature, but that represents a potential within each individual.
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Transgender people are abnormal people who need mental treatment. I do not see any useful contribution to society other than propagating sex-change operations and misleading children. For example, I saw a beautiful girl and I want to meet her to create a family, but it turns out to be a transgender with a member and a big chest. I want to live in a normal world.

Completely agree. They try to fool the Mother Nature. It's not natural process...

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Transgender people are abnormal people who need mental treatment. I do not see any useful contribution to society other than propagating sex-change operations and misleading children. For example, I saw a beautiful girl and I want to meet her to create a family, but it turns out to be a transgender with a member and a big chest. I want to live in a normal world.

Completely agree. They try to fool the Mother Nature. It's not natural process...
What the fck us wrong with you people. Transgender lesbian gays or not they are still people . They doensn't do anything wrong in most of the community. They still have the right to choose what they want to be and they mostly do nothing wrong . Im not into lgbt community i just respect them for who they are . One simple rule respect and if you wsnt to bd respected by other people.

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It's very sad to read all these comments. Transgender are not ill, they don't hurt anyone. Why do you blame them?
Some years ago, homosexuals were treated like they were dement, now it's trangenders. Be open minded please


Transgender people primarily harm themselves by cutting off or sewing some part of the body to deceive nature. They spend a lot of money on these surgeries and hormone use instead of doing something useful for the community. It is good that there are a small number of psychotherapists who do recognize this as a disease.

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September 04, 2017, 10:51:29 AM
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Transgenders are confused people who are trying to confuse the rest of the society with their moral relativism and depravity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k-WnwFeH2k
What i really dont understand about this whole thing is that why are people fighting us and forcing us to accept transgenders, If they have the right to their sexual prefereence, Dont i also have the right to either accept or reject  their sexual preference, I mean i have the right as well.
I am also thinking the same here. If they want that kind of life, let them be that is their choice. If they suffer acceptance from the society why blame the society for making also their own choice of not accepting or favoring them. If these lesbians, transgender etc are living a quiet life, no one will be persecuting them i think but they do not. Most of them though not all are making a real big boast about who they really are and they are doing with their lives.
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transgender population is growing. For me they are special since they do have capabilities which no one else can do but them. Although most of the time they got descriminated but then on the other note they deserve to be respected like any other. They are also humans who lived in this world. For me they add colors to the world. and i truly respect who they really are

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We use the acronym LGBT to describe the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender.

Sexual orientation describes a person's enduring physical, romantic, and/or emotional attraction to another person (for example: straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual), while gender identity describes a person's, internal, personal sense of being a man or a woman, or someone outside of the gender binary.

Simply put: sexual orientation is about who you are attracted to and fall in love with; gender identity is about who you are.

Like everyone else, transgender people have a sexual orientation. Transgender people may be straight, lesbian, gay, bisexual, or queer. For example, a person who transitions from male to female and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a straight woman. A person who transitions from female to male and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a gay man.
in our country it s a whole lot different story.

Gay, lesbian, bisexual and TRANSGENDER are known as this generation third gender. Many people are being harsh to them because of their postures. But people din't think first if these LGBT did something wrong to them. We should respect them and treat them properly with a good attitude.
Exactly it's not their fault that they were born like that.
Please excuse me  for your reason, I would like to correct something, which is I beg to disagreed that " It's not their fault" instead it is their choice to be like that. God made only two genders in this world and we all knew that. Even the lesbian, Gay, bisexual knows this too. They can't deny it. God never made a mistake to create something to this world, especially if God made you as a human whether Man or Woman.

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We use the acronym LGBT to describe the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender.

Sexual orientation describes a person's enduring physical, romantic, and/or emotional attraction to another person (for example: straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual), while gender identity describes a person's, internal, personal sense of being a man or a woman, or someone outside of the gender binary.

Simply put: sexual orientation is about who you are attracted to and fall in love with; gender identity is about who you are.

Like everyone else, transgender people have a sexual orientation. Transgender people may be straight, lesbian, gay, bisexual, or queer. For example, a person who transitions from male to female and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a straight woman. A person who transitions from female to male and is attracted solely to men would typically identify as a gay man.
in our country it s a whole lot different story.

Gay, lesbian, bisexual and TRANSGENDER are known as this generation third gender. Many people are being harsh to them because of their postures. But people din't think first if these LGBT did something wrong to them. We should respect them and treat them properly with a good attitude.

Totally agree. Transgender are still human with feelings they get hurt too whenever they treat bad.

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Transgenders, this is a big sin to God almighty, this was based on my belief, but I didn't mean to be rude I'm stating the fact about this 3rd kind of gender aside from Male and Female.

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People should be treated as people. In spite of religious belief, gender orientation or political affiliation. At least that's what I believe in.
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Indeed like what you have told. The world might be loaded with unordinary things, so as the progressions of humankind. Miserable to say regardless of the possibility that we differ in regards to having or the legitimization of same sex marriage, the world is as of now tolerating them as another Gender in view of sexual orientation uniformity, and to include more, they are notwithstanding making a group where in, most are bisexuals and transgenders. Let us simply regard who are meriting to be regarded.

maybe, soon transgender individuals won't stun anybody. We live in a time of narcissistic independence, where self-articulation has turned out to be somewhat new religion. There is a sentiment that the female liberation was the quickening agent in this procedure.

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Indeed like what you have told. The world might be loaded with unordinary things, so as the progressions of humankind. Miserable to say regardless of the possibility that we differ in regards to having or the legitimization of same sex marriage, the world is as of now tolerating them as another Gender in view of sexual orientation uniformity, and to include more, they are notwithstanding making a group where in, most are bisexuals and transgenders. Let us simply regard who are meriting to be regarded.

maybe, soon transgender individuals won't stun anybody. We live in a time of narcissistic independence, where self-articulation has turned out to be somewhat new religion. There is a sentiment that the female liberation was the quickening agent in this procedure.
I don't really think there is wrong with transgender people. As long as they don't do something bad or will cause something bad, then we're good. I have some transgender friends and so far, they are really nice and very thoughtful. They are also very successful on the field they chose.
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It's very sad to read all these comments. Transgender are not ill, they don't hurt anyone. Why do you blame them?
Some years ago, homosexuals were treated like they were dement, now it's trangenders. Be open minded please


I agree... We live in a very progressive world. No one should judge what others do so long as they don't do harm on anyone or force anyone. Transgenders are humans too... This is the same as with lesbians and gays... Come on people, we don't live in the middle ages anymore. Lets evolve from this way of thinking

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It's very sad to read all these comments. Transgender are not ill, they don't hurt anyone. Why do you blame them?
Some years ago, homosexuals were treated like they were dement, now it's trangenders. Be open minded please


Many people want to live in a normal world where there are normal men and women and that their children perceive this world correctly, and live near the mentally ill people who cut off their dick.

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September 12, 2017, 02:49:25 PM
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It's very sad to read all these comments. Transgender are not ill, they don't hurt anyone. Why do you blame them?
Some years ago, homosexuals were treated like they were dement, now it's trangenders. Be open minded please


Many people want to live in a normal world where there are normal men and women and that their children perceive this world correctly, and live near the mentally ill people who cut off their dick.

What theyndo to their bodies are their business and we don't have the right to judge them by it. Though what they do is whats more important. These people are just normal like us. They bring pride and inspiration at times, they also do shameful things pretty much like everyone.

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i cant believe we still live in a place where prejudice exist. transgenders don't hurt anyone by what they stand for. they don't force you to believe that they're man or a woman. i mean whether man, woman, gay, lesbian or trans they're still human and expected to be treated as such. this is an expression of who they are, and who are we to say who they are. lets rise to the occasion.

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Quote from: ridery99 link=topic=2085119.msg20841!294#msg20841294 date=1502633728
Transgenders are confused people who are trying to confuse the rest of the society with their moral relativism and depravity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k-WnwFeH2k

The other day I read this on twitter "Yeah, I love being a transgender. It's totally a decision. You know what also I love? that my mom said to me that if I get surgery she's going to kill herself" or something like that. I hope you can catch the sarcasm, when I read that my chest hurt, it's so painful to see people who live like that. They are not confused, they know who they are but how on hearth they are going to be confident about themselves if people like you call the "depraved"? I wish things change someday, they are people too, they feel.

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Hmm. LGBT issue os an untouchable issue here in the philippines, simply because LGBT people knows how to fight for their rights. However, this issue had been frowned upon by our society because our nation is a conservative nation built with Christian beliefs. Man and woman are created. Adam and eve. Not adam and steve. But all I am saying is that regardless of their gender preference, we should love them and care for them because they are our brothers. We may not agree on their ways of expressing love, but we can show them love. That is our duty. That is our call.
After all, who knows if they would be enlightened and change their ways. If not, they wil be the ones accountable to God.
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What people want to do to themselves is of no way our business. If they want a sex change, go ahead! If they want a boobjob a nose job or a tummy tuck thats fine. If you want to have a tattoo of a dick in your face im happy for you. We are entitled to our opinions but we must also respect other's as well

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Transgenders are confused people who are trying to confuse the rest of the society with their moral relativism and depravity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k-WnwFeH2k
What i really dont understand about this whole thing is that why are people fighting us and forcing us to accept transgenders, If they have the right to their sexual prefereence, Dont i also have the right to either accept or reject  their sexual preference, I mean i have the right as well.
I am also thinking the same here. If they want that kind of life, let them be that is their choice. If they suffer acceptance from the society why blame the society for making also their own choice of not accepting or favoring them. If these lesbians, transgender etc are living a quiet life, no one will be persecuting them i think but they do not. Most of them though not all are making a real big boast about who they really are and they are doing with their lives.

The problem is that such sick people specifically shout to everyone that they cut off their dick. If they led a quiet life, then no one would know about this and the child's psyche would not be traumatized.

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if trans was feelings like lesbian i support it but physical change man to women i hate that 

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Transgender still looks irrational on most eyes. And it is a big and challenging issue but I guess we just be a little more sanity in this world with all this transgender stuff

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Transgenders are confused people who are trying to confuse the rest of the society with their moral relativism and depravity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k-WnwFeH2k
Transgenders are confused people. Wanting to be accepted by the society not knowing that being transgender add up on being more immoral. Not being content on they're body and sexuality that leads to confusion of the society. They are those trying to make believe people that they are on the gender they want to be without even knowing that who they were trying to make believe was themselves that they are what they want to be. even physical change happens, they must keep in mind that for those people around them, their sexuality was still what they were when they were born.

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In my country transgenders are treated like animals. Their families give them up and they are raised by groups of transgenders living together, who raise them as their own. They are forced to beg, dance or sell their bodies in order to earn a living. They are looked down upon by the society because of their profession, but it's the society itself who has left them no choice.They are normally bullied, beaten and raped. In spite all of this they manage to put a smile on their face and live their life. In our society they are referred to as 'khawajasira' or 'khusra'. They have no job opportunities and until recently they were not even recognized as legal citizens. A lot of them have been fighting for their rights and they have succeeded to some extent, but honestly their is a long way to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvehhXaFh8U
this video will provide a better understanding of their life.

In our country they accepted transgenders they have great jobs and helping our society and great entertainers, maybe it depends in our country how to accept them, their not bad and do not do anything wrong except changing some parts of their body, but if we are talking in bible of course in god's eyes there are only two types of gender here in our world and that is MALE and FEMALE.
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Transgenders are treated badly everywhere. In my country they are treated in the same way as in your country. I have heard from many people that they gang banged these without showing any empathy. They think that transgenders are not humans but toys for them to play with in any way they want. Everyone laughs on them even it's not their mistake that their are not male/female but society treats them badly. Their parents either kill them on birth or send them to prostitutes. They spend their life hardly. I feel bad for them. Sad

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September 19, 2017, 09:02:50 PM
 #130

Transgenders are treated badly everywhere. In my country they are treated in the same way as in your country. I have heard from many people that they gang banged these without showing any empathy. They think that transgenders are not humans but toys for them to play with in any way they want. Everyone laughs on them even it's not their mistake that their are not male/female but society treats them badly. Their parents either kill them on birth or send them to prostitutes. They spend their life hardly. I feel bad for them. Sad

And its sad really that there are still countries who have such backward views about these people. At least show them respect as human being and don't hurt them. It won't hurt us if we leave them be. A lot of these people are a pretty good help to society more than some normal people.