What Came First, the Chicken or the Egg?

[Vod]

Since there are no factual "sitings" of evolution mutationa

The only way you can respond to my facts are with lies? 

Mutations have been observed millions of times.

One only has to look at dogs to see how man's hand has evolved them over time due to mutations.

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[BADecker]

Since there are no factual "sitings" of evolution mutationa

The only way you can respond to my facts are with lies? 

Mutations have been observed millions of times.

One only has to look at dogs to see how man's hand has evolved them over time due to mutations.

Now, now. Responding as all the deceptive evolutionists will get you nowhere. Didn't you even notice that it was not mutations that I was talking about? Rather, it was evolution mutations.

All mutations have been programmed by cause and effect, to happen just the way that they happened. All mutations are change, and that is the only thing that "evolution" means... change. There is no change of one species to another. There isn't really even any evidence of such. Evolution in this sense is 100% guesswork.

[Vod]

Now, now. Responding as all the deceptive evolutionists will get you nowhere. Didn't you even notice that it was not mutations that I was talking about? Rather, it was evolution mutations.

I'll respond only with facts.

When you disregard fairy tales, the egg came first.

No words you can twist will make that statement untrue. 

[BADecker]

Now, now. Responding as all the deceptive evolutionists will get you nowhere. Didn't you even notice that it was not mutations that I was talking about? Rather, it was evolution mutations.

I'll respond only with facts.

When you disregard fairy tales, the egg came first.

No words you can twist will make that statement untrue. 

The only fact that you are responding with is that you respond with non facts. It is shown in the fact that you avoid stating it directly.

[Vod]

The only fact that you are responding with is that you respond with non facts. It is shown in the fact that you avoid stating it directly.

Wordplay.  I guess that means I win.  :/

You don't really have a rebuttal.  What are you going to say - your fairy tale created the chicken?

Remember, facts only.

[BADecker]

The only fact that you are responding with is that you respond with non facts. It is shown in the fact that you avoid stating it directly.

Wordplay.  I guess that means I win.  :/

You don't really have a rebuttal.  What are you going to say - your fairy tale created the chicken?

Remember, facts only.

Since you want facts only, we need to go back to the fact of the existence of God as shown by science:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

[Vod]

Since you want facts only, we need to go back to the fact of the existence of God as shown by science:

Science has proven beyond a reasonable doubt your god does not exist.

I'm not interested in reading posts from YOU - you ignore facts for fairy tales.   I'm only interested in facts.

[BADecker]

Since you want facts only, we need to go back to the fact of the existence of God as shown by science:

Science has proven beyond a reasonable doubt your god does not exist.

I'm not interested in reading posts from YOU - you ignore facts for fairy tales.   I'm only interested in facts.

I'll repeat links to the scientific proof that God exists, here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

[Vod]

I'll repeat links to the scientific proof that God exists, here:

Isn't every single one of those links just you spewing out how you interpret your fairy tales?

Doesn't the  mean you know you have nothing, but you'll just be difficult?

Science says the egg came first.

If you have reason to disagree - please enlighten us!  

I'm looking for facts - can you provide any facts?

[BADecker]

I'll repeat links to the scientific proof that God exists, here:

Isn't every single one of those links just you spewing out how you interpret your fairy tales?

Doesn't the  mean you know you have nothing, but you'll just be difficult?

Science says the egg came first.

If you have reason to disagree - please enlighten us!  

I'm looking for facts - can you provide any facts?

In the links I provided, cause and effect, entropy, and complexity show that God exists, and started the universe. Until we get to the point of scientifically contacting God and asking Him about it, there is nothing but conjecture about which came first.

Oh, that's right. God already told us about it in the Bible indirectly. The chicken came first.

[Vod]

In the links I provided, cause and effect, entropy, and complexity show that God exists, and started the universe. Until we get to the point of scientifically contacting God and asking Him about it, there is nothing but conjecture about which came first.

Oh, that's right. God already told us about it in the Bible indirectly. The chicken came first.

You're missing everyone's point.  

All the links you provided, and the bible, are based on a fairy tale.  We want facts.

You can post a million times that god is real and he made the chicken first - but only brainwashed people will believe you.

The rest of us know the egg came first, because we see mutations and evolution happen everyday.  

You have never once seen any evidence of your fairy tale - it's what you believe, not what is real. 

[BADecker]

In the links I provided, cause and effect, entropy, and complexity show that God exists, and started the universe. Until we get to the point of scientifically contacting God and asking Him about it, there is nothing but conjecture about which came first.

Oh, that's right. God already told us about it in the Bible indirectly. The chicken came first.

You're missing everyone's point.  

All the links you provided, and the bible, are based on a fairy tale.  We want facts.

You can post a million times that god is real and he made the chicken first - but only brainwashed people will believe you.

The rest of us know the egg came first, because we see mutations and evolution happen everyday.  

You have never once seen any evidence of your fairy tale - it's what you believe, not what is real. 

No, it is you who are missing the point. Scientific facts (as close as anyone ever comes to facts in science) are found in basic understandings:
1. Cause and effect;
2. Complexity;
3. Entropy.

If you don't realize that these are basics underlying all scientific study, you have a long way to go. No wonder you are mixing science up with religion.

[Vod]

If you don't realize that these are basics underlying all scientific study, you have a long way to go. No wonder you are mixing science up with religion.

I am very clear about science vs fairy tales.

One has been proven - the other is in your mind. 

I'd love for you to go back on topic and explain how the chicken came first WITHOUT invoking your fairy tale.

[BADecker]

If you don't realize that these are basics underlying all scientific study, you have a long way to go. No wonder you are mixing science up with religion.

I am very clear about science vs fairy tales.

One has been proven - the other is in your mind. 

I'd love for you to go back on topic and explain how the chicken came first WITHOUT invoking your fairy tale.

All science only understands a tiny fraction of what goes on in the universe. But you can't seem to understand that "things" which is outside of the universe have no explanation in terms that are used within the universe. In other words, the working that set cause and effect into place when there was nothing, is not understandable. Why not? Because we work with universe understanding, not with extra-universe understanding. We can barely grasp the concept of outside-of-the-universe.

[Vod]

All science only understands a tiny fraction of what goes on in the universe. But you can't seem to understand that "things" which is outside of the universe have no explanation in terms that are used within the universe. In other words, the working that set cause and effect into place when there was nothing, is not understandable. Why not? Because we work with universe understanding, not with extra-universe understanding. We can barely grasp the concept of outside-of-the-universe.

We don't understand all, but we do understand something as simple as evolution and mutation.

Science has proven the egg comes first based on our limited observations.   

Science has never proven that creatures just spontaneously created themselves in some fairy tale.

[BADecker]

All science only understands a tiny fraction of what goes on in the universe. But you can't seem to understand that "things" which is outside of the universe have no explanation in terms that are used within the universe. In other words, the working that set cause and effect into place when there was nothing, is not understandable. Why not? Because we work with universe understanding, not with extra-universe understanding. We can barely grasp the concept of outside-of-the-universe.

We don't understand all, but we do understand something as simple as evolution and mutation.

Science has proven the egg comes first based on our limited observations.   

Science has never proven that creatures just spontaneously created themselves in some fairy tale.

Evolution as simple change happens all the time. Mutation happens all the time. Entropy has a name for the combination of these two. That name is devolution. There is no proof for which came first in devolution.

[Vod]

Evolution as simple change happens all the time. Mutation happens all the time.

Since there are no factual "sitings" of evolution mutationa

If you lie, you need to have a good memory. 

Yes, mutation and evolution happens all the time.  One only need look at dogs to see such proof in our lifetime.

That is how scientists can show the egg came first.  The animal that laid the egg was not a genetic chicken, but the animal that came out of the egg was.

[BADecker]

Evolution as simple change happens all the time. Mutation happens all the time.

Since there are no factual "sitings" of evolution mutationa

If you lie, you need to have a good memory. 

Yes, mutation and evolution happens all the time.  One only need look at dogs to see such proof in our lifetime.

That is how scientists can show the egg came first.  The animal that laid the egg was not a genetic chicken, but the animal that came out of the egg was.

When you take things out of text like this, you are showing that you really don't know what you are talking about, and have to resort to twisting meanings just to feel comfortable with yourself.

[Vod]

When you take things out of text like this, you are showing that you really don't know what you are talking about, and have to resort to twisting meanings just to feel comfortable with yourself.

More wordplay?

I'm not interested.  You claimed the chicken came first - I'm asking for proof without referring to your fairy tale.

Everyone is watching.  I have proved the egg came first based on science.

Up to you now to prove to us why the chicken came first based on what you believe, and nothing else.

[BADecker]

When you take things out of text like this, you are showing that you really don't know what you are talking about, and have to resort to twisting meanings just to feel comfortable with yourself.

More wordplay?

I'm not interested.  You claimed the chicken came first - I'm asking for proof without referring to your fairy tale.

Everyone is watching.  I have proved the egg came first based on science.

Up to you now to prove to us why the chicken came first based on what you believe, and nothing else.

I have shown you the scientific proof that God exists. Yet you want to ignore this basic fact. However, if you accept it, the next step is to discover that the Bible is an impossible-to-exist book. You can see this by studying all the info surrounding how it came into being.

Like evolution, the coming together of a book like the Bible simply doesn't happen. Yet, we have the Bible, for a fact... many copies all over the place. But there is nothing certain about evolution.