Scammer: Inaba

[surebet]

Greets,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119338.0

You know the drill. An "untrustworthy" tag à la Matthew N. Wright could also be considered.

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[mc_lovin]

You know the drill. An "untrustworthy" tag à la Matthew N. Wright could also be considered.

After getting scammertagged and then the community cools down, upgrade to Untrustworthy should be a community decision.

[MPOE-PR]

You know the drill. An "untrustworthy" tag à la Matthew N. Wright could also be considered.

After getting scammertagged and then the community cools down, upgrade to Untrustworthy should be a community decision.

Who is "the community"?

[Este Nuno]

Who is "the community"?

A "community" of one.

[surebet]

*cough*

[Minor Miner]

It is pretty clear cut.   No 1000 BTC has been donated.   They have shipped.   They missed the target so the 1000 should have been paid.
Why does he not have a scammer tag?

[Xian01]

It is pretty clear cut.   No 1000 BTC has been donated.   They have shipped.   They missed the target so the 1000 should have been paid.
Why does he not have a scammer tag?

Theymos has been notably silent on these calls for action

[surebet]

It is pretty clear cut.   No 1000 BTC has been donated.   They have shipped.   They missed the target so the 1000 should have been paid.
Why does he not have a scammer tag?

Theymos has been notably silent on these calls for action

Why bite the hand that feeds you ~2k in ad revenue per week?

[superduh]

tag him

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

It is pretty clear cut.   No 1000 BTC has been donated.   They have shipped.   They missed the target so the 1000 should have been paid.
Why does he not have a scammer tag?

Theymos has been notably silent on these calls for action

Why bite the hand that feeds you ~2k in ad revenue per week?

Not anymore

[00null]

I am offering up a guarantee of 1000 BTC to charity (I will take suggestions on which charity to donate this to) if BFL does not meet it's power claims within 10% - meaning if BFL's power consumption is more than 66w for a Single SC, we lose the "bet."

For a scammer tag, the accused person needs to have promised to do something and then failed to deliver on the promise.

[surebet]

It is pretty clear cut.   No 1000 BTC has been donated.   They have shipped.   They missed the target so the 1000 should have been paid.
Why does he not have a scammer tag?

Theymos has been notably silent on these calls for action

Why bite the hand that feeds you ~2k in ad revenue per week?

Not anymore

Indeed, congrats on the win. He did offer more or less 4k$ this round though, so my point still stands.

Funny how he has stayed out of this thread though, usually Josh loves to berate people and throw quarters at them.

[surebet]

*cough*

[Xian01]

... might as well put some of that refund money to good use ...

[kakobrekla]

I am offering up a guarantee of 1000 BTC to charity (I will take suggestions on which charity to donate this to) if BFL does not meet it's power claims within 10% - meaning if BFL's power consumption is more than 66w for a Single SC, we lose the "bet."

For a scammer tag, the accused person needs to have promised to do something and then failed to deliver on the promise.

By the definition, we can start 'Scammer: Theymos'.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

you guys are doing this all wrong.  There is a new section in your avatar for reputation. 

I have the proud privilege of being the first poster in Inaba's "official" reputation here on this forum...

Click the red reputation under the glorious bastard's avatar here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=206304.20

Only provide facts, we don't want to lose the AWESOME new rep tool.  (and if you like that I am taking it upon myself to notify the world of inaba's inaccuracy's hit me up as +1 a few posts down on that same page...  I'm trying to earn my reputation by doing the right thing and telling noobs of the dangers that they may not see on day one).

FUCKBFL

Only you and people who trusts you sees the red warning. The exception is if your trust list is blank (trust is different from feedback), you automatically trust theymos then and theymos trusted people (which I think I'm the only one that has being actually leaving some feedback).

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

No, I see 0 -0 +0. Someone who trusts you (or nobody and theymos trusts you) will see it.

[surebet]

No, I see 0 -0 +0. Someone who trusts you (or nobody and theymos trusts you) will see it.

That's an awesomely useful feature...

[surebet]

Happy 1000-views-and-no-mod-comment, thread.

[MPOE-PR]

By the definition, we can start 'Scammer: Theymos'.

Plus parents everywhere.

For the record, the classical definition of civil responsibility includes promise to perform and detrimental reliance. Both, not just one. I notice the forum does tend to favor a "one's enough" outlook, but the reasons things worked out that way in the real world are solid and haven't changed just because Bitcoin, just because internet forum or just because self entitled posters.

[Xian01]

Happy 1000-views-and-no-mod-comment, thread.

Theymos, could we please get a comment from you about this ? Your prolonged silence is disconcerting

[00null]

All this bitching about BFL will not get them to ship faster.

Please stop the nonsense and get a refund if you dont want to wait anymore.

Everyone knew the game before they entered it.

Since you apparently missed the topic:

I am offering up a guarantee of 1000 BTC to charity (I will take suggestions on which charity to donate this to) if BFL does not meet it's power claims within 10% - meaning if BFL's power consumption is more than 66w for a Single SC, we lose the "bet."

[surebet]

All this bitching about BFL will not get them to ship faster.

Please stop the nonsense and get a refund if you dont want to wait anymore.

Everyone knew the game before they entered it.

I'm not waiting on a BFL product. In fact I hope BFL keeps dragging it's feet, I thrive on schadenfreude. However this isn't about their shitty products, it's about a very specific bet.

The fact is though that a C-lever officer from BFL made a grand gesture about their magic money machine being better than the other magic money machine, even though it got beat to market twice. They also promised somewhere between 120 and 260 thousand dollars to charity depending on when they announced that they failed their electrical target by an order of magnitude.

So, what, it's ok that they just decide to not do it?

You know what's worst then bitching about BFL? White knighting them after a year. Srsly.

We will be donating 1000 BTC to charity, sorry it's not on the high priority list, you know, above getting product out.  If you think it's easy to choose who to give $100,000+ to, you'd be wrong.

Awesome, 3 weeks later neither was done.

[surebet]

*cough*

[YipYip]

*cough*

Personal bet of 1000 btc
Charity Bet BFL CTO  1000btc

Whats the story... oh thats right they have paid u off ..

[kodo]

Probably is a scammer watch out

[surebet]

Woo! 1500 views, still nothing.

[00null]

Can we bet somewhere that regardless of all his scams Inaba will never be scammer tagged by theymos?
I even heard rumors that this new trust system was implemented so that theymos has an excuse for not tagging Inaba.

[server]

I am generally not tagging scammers anymore. Use the trust system.

[00null]

I am generally not tagging scammers anymore. Use the trust system.

Do you know if Inaba sponsored this development?

[CasinoBit]

Seems like a pretty f-d up situation.

[BadBear]

I am generally not tagging scammers anymore. Use the trust system.

Do you know if Inaba sponsored this development?

Have you not seen the huge amount of scams lately? Especially alt coin related, there's far too many to keep going with the scammer tag system. It would be a full time 24\7 job to take care of them all. It's squarely in the hands of the users now, as it should be.

[00null]

I am generally not tagging scammers anymore. Use the trust system.

Do you know if Inaba sponsored this development?

Have you not seen the huge amount of scams lately? Especially alt coin related, there's far too many to keep going with the scammer tag system. It would be a full time 24\7 job to take care of them all. It's squarely in the hands of the users now, as it should be.

I am offering up a guarantee of 1000 BTC to charity (I will take suggestions on which charity to donate this to) if BFL does not meet it's power claims within 10% - meaning if BFL's power consumption is more than 66w for a Single SC, we lose the "bet."

For a scammer tag, the accused person needs to have promised to do something and then failed to deliver on the promise.

Hm, this one is about 1000 BTC and done on this very forum. And strangely enough it was very much ignored by every forum staff until theymos could say "use the trust system". One don't need a tinfoil hat to smell what is going on.
Regarding alt coins, a lot of the scams there are done with very new accounts while the trust system works only for mature accounts.
Don't get me wrong the trust system is a good thing, but everyone can easily see the double standard that is used for Inaba.

[BadBear]

I am generally not tagging scammers anymore. Use the trust system.

Do you know if Inaba sponsored this development?

Have you not seen the huge amount of scams lately? Especially alt coin related, there's far too many to keep going with the scammer tag system. It would be a full time 24\7 job to take care of them all. It's squarely in the hands of the users now, as it should be.

I am offering up a guarantee of 1000 BTC to charity (I will take suggestions on which charity to donate this to) if BFL does not meet it's power claims within 10% - meaning if BFL's power consumption is more than 66w for a Single SC, we lose the "bet."

For a scammer tag, the accused person needs to have promised to do something and then failed to deliver on the promise.

Hm, this one is about 1000 BTC and done on this very forum. And strangely enough it was very much ignored by every forum staff until theymos could say "use the trust system". One don't need a tinfoil hat to smell what is going on.
Regarding alt coins, a lot of the scams there are done with very new accounts while the trust system works only for mature accounts.
Don't get me wrong the trust system is a good thing, but everyone can easily see the double standard that is used for Inaba.

Showing newbies that the account they're trading with has no trust or rep is 'working' don't you think?

And BFL is hardly the only one to not get a scammer tag, going by your standards coinabul and bitinstant should probably have one as well. Not speaking for theymos, but the acammer tag isn't appropriate for businesses in general, shouldn't be judged by one action. Newegg and amazon would probably have scammer tags if everything was as black and white as it seems to be in your world.

[smoothie]

I am generally not tagging scammers anymore. Use the trust system.

Do you know if Inaba sponsored this development?

Have you not seen the huge amount of scams lately? Especially alt coin related, there's far too many to keep going with the scammer tag system. It would be a full time 24\7 job to take care of them all. It's squarely in the hands of the users now, as it should be.

I am offering up a guarantee of 1000 BTC to charity (I will take suggestions on which charity to donate this to) if BFL does not meet it's power claims within 10% - meaning if BFL's power consumption is more than 66w for a Single SC, we lose the "bet."

For a scammer tag, the accused person needs to have promised to do something and then failed to deliver on the promise.

Hm, this one is about 1000 BTC and done on this very forum. And strangely enough it was very much ignored by every forum staff until theymos could say "use the trust system". One don't need a tinfoil hat to smell what is going on.
Regarding alt coins, a lot of the scams there are done with very new accounts while the trust system works only for mature accounts.
Don't get me wrong the trust system is a good thing, but everyone can easily see the double standard that is used for Inaba.

Showing newbies that the account they're trading with has no trust or rep is 'working' don't you think?

And BFL is hardly the only one to not get a scammer tag, going by your standards coinabul and bitinstant should probably have one as well. Not speaking for theymos, but the acammer tag isn't appropriate for businesses in general, shouldn't be judged by one action. Newegg and amazon would probably have scammer tags if everything was as black and white as it seems to be in your world.

1. How is the scammer tag not appropriate for businesses? Bitinstant from what I can tell actually resolves their customers' issues. Coinabul well that is another story, but BFL is blatantly not exempt from a scammer tag.

2. "Shouldn't be judged by one action". Well BFL has approximately 20k+ preorders and that is being quite conservative. Should I assume that taking PREORDERS for 11+ months by many thousands of customers as ONE ACTION? Come on that shouldn't even be used in the same page of text when writing about BFL. ONE ACTION? Hardly...

You know BFL and Josh needs a scammer tag but are delaying the inevitable for what reason I do not know.

The TWO 1000 BTC bets that are unresolved are TWO SEPARATE ACTIONS MADE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN RESOLVED TO DATE .Thus a scammer tag is warranted.

[00null]

I am generally not tagging scammers anymore. Use the trust system.

Do you know if Inaba sponsored this development?

Have you not seen the huge amount of scams lately? Especially alt coin related, there's far too many to keep going with the scammer tag system. It would be a full time 24\7 job to take care of them all. It's squarely in the hands of the users now, as it should be.

I am offering up a guarantee of 1000 BTC to charity (I will take suggestions on which charity to donate this to) if BFL does not meet it's power claims within 10% - meaning if BFL's power consumption is more than 66w for a Single SC, we lose the "bet."

For a scammer tag, the accused person needs to have promised to do something and then failed to deliver on the promise.

Hm, this one is about 1000 BTC and done on this very forum. And strangely enough it was very much ignored by every forum staff until theymos could say "use the trust system". One don't need a tinfoil hat to smell what is going on.
Regarding alt coins, a lot of the scams there are done with very new accounts while the trust system works only for mature accounts.
Don't get me wrong the trust system is a good thing, but everyone can easily see the double standard that is used for Inaba.

Showing newbies that the account they're trading with has no trust or rep is 'working' don't you think?

And BFL is hardly the only one to not get a scammer tag, going by your standards coinabul and bitinstant should probably have one as well. Not speaking for theymos, but the acammer tag isn't appropriate for businesses in general, shouldn't be judged by one action. Newegg and amazon would probably have scammer tags if everything was as black and white as it seems to be in your world.

Let me quote the topic for you

Scammer: Inaba

Why do you trying to shift this to something about BFL? To get Inaba out of the line? He personally (and not BFL) made a bet and it is crystal clear that he has no intention to pay despite losing it. So please stop trying to derail this by bringing BFL into the mix.

And BTW, since when is pointing out that someone isn't the only scammer a valid excuse? By your standard I can murder someone and get free by pointing out that others have done similar things.

[oakpacific]

I am generally not tagging scammers anymore. Use the trust system.

Do you know if Inaba sponsored this development?

Have you not seen the huge amount of scams lately? Especially alt coin related, there's far too many to keep going with the scammer tag system. It would be a full time 24\7 job to take care of them all. It's squarely in the hands of the users now, as it should be.

I am offering up a guarantee of 1000 BTC to charity (I will take suggestions on which charity to donate this to) if BFL does not meet it's power claims within 10% - meaning if BFL's power consumption is more than 66w for a Single SC, we lose the "bet."

For a scammer tag, the accused person needs to have promised to do something and then failed to deliver on the promise.

Hm, this one is about 1000 BTC and done on this very forum. And strangely enough it was very much ignored by every forum staff until theymos could say "use the trust system". One don't need a tinfoil hat to smell what is going on.
Regarding alt coins, a lot of the scams there are done with very new accounts while the trust system works only for mature accounts.
Don't get me wrong the trust system is a good thing, but everyone can easily see the double standard that is used for Inaba.

Showing newbies that the account they're trading with has no trust or rep is 'working' don't you think?

And BFL is hardly the only one to not get a scammer tag, going by your standards coinabul and bitinstant should probably have one as well. Not speaking for theymos, but the acammer tag isn't appropriate for businesses in general, shouldn't be judged by one action. Newegg and amazon would probably have scammer tags if everything was as black and white as it seems to be in your world.

The trust system has a drawback: if someone only ever scam a single person, he should be considered a scammer already, yet he could still receive high trust score, probably because he is nice to everyone else. So I believe Theymos should still hand out scammer tags.

[BadBear]

1. How is the scammer tag not appropriate for businesses?

Just my opinion. I don't think the forum should be the judge, jury, and executioner in situations where we don't have access to all the information. Courts work because they can order records and compel information, we can't/won't. Scammer tag was never intended for these types of situations, and trying to make the square peg fit in a round hole will probably do more damage than it will solve.

2. "Shouldn't be judged by one action". Well BFL has approximately 20k+ preorders and that is being quite conservative. Should I assume that taking PREORDERS for 11+ months by many thousands of customers as ONE ACTION? Come on that shouldn't even be used in the same page of text when writing about BFL. ONE ACTION? Hardly...

I don't care about preorders. If they were denying refunds as well, or making zero progress (they have made some) that would be a different story, but they aren't. People are more than capable of getting their money back any time they please. And yes I know it's dollar denominated, every business does that, even outside the "bitcoin world". Kinda seems hypocritical to ask for a scammer tag, while at the same time willingly allowing them to hold onto your money (yes I know you don't have an order with them, I mean in general).

Let me quote the topic for you

Scammer: Inaba

Why do you trying to shift this to something about BFL? To get Inaba out of the line? He personally (and not BFL) made a bet and it is crystal clear that he has no intention to pay despite losing it. So please stop trying to derail this by bringing BFL into the mix.

And BTW, since when is pointing out that someone isn't the only scammer a valid excuse? By your standard I can murder someone and get free by pointing out that others have done similar things.

I never bought his bullshit excuse of separate forum accounts. Inaba=Josh=whatever he is of BFL.
I brought up that there are many others deserving of scammer tags who don't have them because you acting like they're special or unique. I guess if you only spend all your time in the custom hardware forum it might seem like a big special deal to you, but it barely registers in the big picture. I don't know how it can be considered a bet when nobody even took it, there was no counterparty, so scammer tag seems a little extreme.

And yes, murder is totally comparable  . Get a grip.

The trust system has a drawback: if someone only ever scam a single person, he should be considered a scammer already, yet he could still receive high trust score, probably because he is nice to everyone else. So I believe Theymos should still hand out scammer tags.

Might be an issue, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. For now I think it's a good replacement for the scammer tag system.

[00null]

1. How is the scammer tag not appropriate for businesses?

Just my opinion. I don't think the forum should be the judge, jury, and executioner in situations where we don't have access to all the information. Courts work because they can order records and compel information, we can't/won't. Scammer tag was never intended for these types of situations, and trying to make the square peg fit in a round hole will probably do more damage than it will solve.

What is interesting is that this point of view only emerged once BFL would have been tagged. Pirate, Matthew, and a gazillion other scammers have all been tagged, sometimes withing hours and almost without evidence. But as soon as the main income of the forum was in danger of being tagged...

2. "Shouldn't be judged by one action". Well BFL has approximately 20k+ preorders and that is being quite conservative. Should I assume that taking PREORDERS for 11+ months by many thousands of customers as ONE ACTION? Come on that shouldn't even be used in the same page of text when writing about BFL. ONE ACTION? Hardly...

I don't care about preorders. If they were denying refunds as well, or making zero progress (they have made some) that would be a different story, but they aren't. People are more than capable of getting their money back any time they please. And yes I know it's dollar denominated, every business does that, even outside the "bitcoin world". Kinda seems hypocritical to ask for a scammer tag, while at the same time willingly allowing them to hold onto your money (yes I know you don't have an order with them, I mean in general).

They promised to deliver in October. And used the tactic of false promises to drive others out of business.
And Matthew was tagged because he basically did exactly the same as Inaba. Both did a bet and didn't pay. And you cant see the double standard?

Let me quote the topic for you

Scammer: Inaba

Why do you trying to shift this to something about BFL? To get Inaba out of the line? He personally (and not BFL) made a bet and it is crystal clear that he has no intention to pay despite losing it. So please stop trying to derail this by bringing BFL into the mix.

And BTW, since when is pointing out that someone isn't the only scammer a valid excuse? By your standard I can murder someone and get free by pointing out that others have done similar things.

I never bought his bullshit excuse of separate forum accounts. Inaba=Josh=whatever he is of BFL.

LOL, nice new excuse. No offense, but don't you see it yourself, you are starting to stacking up lame excuses?
Or do you really mean that once someone is employed by some company he is free to scam, because you are don't want to tag the company?

I brought up that there are many others deserving of scammer tags who don't have them because you acting like they're special or unique. I guess if you only spend all your time in the custom hardware forum it might seem like a big special deal to you, but it barely registers in the big picture. I don't know how it can be considered a bet when nobody even took it, there was no counterparty, so scammer tag seems a little extreme.

Every journey starts with the first step. Tag Inaba and continue with the rest...

And yes, murder is totally comparable  . Get a grip.

Amazing, once we exaggerate the case you can see the wrongdoing?

[pekv2]

... might as well put some of that refund money to good use ...

That is absolutely disgusting. We all know what BFL are doing, just need hard core evidence. But in reality, we know what they are doing, they know it and they know they can get away with it atm. Just matter of time before the cookie crumbles in the glass of milk.

2. "Shouldn't be judged by one action". Well BFL has approximately 20k+ preorders and that is being quite conservative. Should I assume that taking PREORDERS for 11+ months by many thousands of customers as ONE ACTION? Come on that shouldn't even be used in the same page of text when writing about BFL. ONE ACTION? Hardly...

I don't care about preorders. If they were denying refunds as well, or making zero progress (they have made some) that would be a different story, but they aren't. People are more than capable of getting their money back any time they please. And yes I know it's dollar denominated, every business does that, even outside the "bitcoin world". Kinda seems hypocritical to ask for a scammer tag, while at the same time willingly allowing them to hold onto your money (yes I know you don't have an order with them, I mean in general).

Here above in bold, "no offense Xian01" has any real legitimate member like yourself, or mod or really trustworthy member have gone through a refund process, of a major order? This is just a conspiracy theory, but BFL could be behind these accounts stating they are receiving refunds, to make it look like they will/are refunding customers. Imho, scams can go pretty deep, as we seen with pirate40, and others on this forum.

[smoothie]

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2. "Shouldn't be judged by one action". Well BFL has approximately 20k+ preorders and that is being quite conservative. Should I assume that taking PREORDERS for 11+ months by many thousands of customers as ONE ACTION? Come on that shouldn't even be used in the same page of text when writing about BFL. ONE ACTION? Hardly...

I don't care about preorders. If they were denying refunds as well, or making zero progress (they have made some) that would be a different story, but they aren't. People are more than capable of getting their money back any time they please. And yes I know it's dollar denominated, every business does that, even outside the "bitcoin world". Kinda seems hypocritical to ask for a scammer tag, while at the same time willingly allowing them to hold onto your money (yes I know you don't have an order with them, I mean in general).

...

Yes and so were everyone who was using PirateAt40's BTCS&T. They were all more than capable of getting their money back any time they pleased until they couldn't. PirateAt40 was given the benefit of the doubt too because he was "producing" returns each week and paying investors and making "progress".

This mindset that we need to wait until they run off with millions is the poverty mindset. Because going this route will make people poor because of substantial losses when there is nothing left to refund people.

Just saying...I see double standards and mirror images of all major scams in the past. BFL is no different.

[smoothie]

Whatever, it is obvious that there will be no actions taken against BFL for obvious reasons. Money talks. Simple as that.

I'll be waiting far away with a good view once BFL explodes, then all of our warnings and requests to get BFL slapped with a scammer tag to help deter potential future victims will have been for nothing.

[BadBear]

Whatever, it is obvious that there will be no actions taken against BFL for obvious reasons. Money talks. Simple as that.

I'll be waiting far away with a good view once BFL explodes, then all of our warnings and requests to get BFL slapped with a scammer tag to help deter potential future victims will have been for nothing.

Just highlighting the ridiculous part of your argument. Scammer tags are for provable scams, not "potentially in the future fraud".

[smoothie]

Whatever, it is obvious that there will be no actions taken against BFL for obvious reasons. Money talks. Simple as that.

I'll be waiting far away with a good view once BFL explodes, then all of our warnings and requests to get BFL slapped with a scammer tag to help deter potential future victims will have been for nothing.

Just highlighting the ridiculous part of your argument. Scammer tags are for provable scams, not "potentially in the future fraud".

Future victims meaning okay...BFL is allowed to advertise on this forum right? People who dont know any better click on their ad go to their site and think BFL actually was or will have a product soon to ship, then they end up waiting a year or never getting their product.

The FUTURE victims was directed to all of the suckers buying into the BFL bullshit advertisements on this forum that get suckered in UNTIL BFL goes bust.

Got it? Is that ridiculous?

Oh wait it was ridiculous how myself and others were calling out the PirateAt40 collapse before it ended and attempted to deter FUTURE VICTIMS from gettin scammed (meaning those investing from the time I made the statement up until the scam went bust).

It still sound like a ridiculous statement to you?

It sure doesn't to me and many here seem to agree with me on it.

But as I said, the owners/operators of this forum will do what they want despite what me (a "TROLL") has to say.  

Let's remove the whole scammer tag thing...and let's focus on BFL paying for MISLEADING advertising on this forum okay? Do you agree with their misleading ads?

"ORDER NOW BFL MINER XX GH/S ONLY $YYYY!"

They don't even have the products to ship yet. So technically it should be PRE-ORDER NOW.

[kakobrekla]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Inaba

[surebet]

Ok, let's run this shit into the ground properly.

I'm not talking about BFL as a whole. I don't care about BFL as a whole. Josh, the person, made a 1000 btc bet, personally. This interests me. Josh, the C-level exec, made another 1000 btc bet, on behalf of BFL. Don't care.


Their terribad piece of vaporware gulps gown stupid amounts of electricity. Bet lost. 1000 coins owed.

First of all, the bet got redefined as 100k$. Weasel ahoy. The of course the whole thing has been strung along for two months. Yay.

Don't want to tag BFL? Cool, don't. Don't care. You might want to consider stopping to take 2-5 thousand bucks per week from them, since this clearly crosses the line from caveat emptor into accomplice, but whatever.

Don't want to tag Inaba? Cool. Matthew N. pulled the same six figure bullshit. Slap an "untrustworthy" title on him.

One incident not enough? Cool, take off dank's tag.

[Xian01]

Scammer tags are for provable scams, not "potentially in the future fraud".

 This is a pretty myopic worldview IMO.
 
 How would you feel if you knew you had a chance to do something about a possible problem, didn't, and lots of people get damaged because of it once everything comes crashing down ?

 I'm just saying, there is a great body of evidence pointing to some pretty despicable, unethical, and immoral behavior here, and BadBear, you are effectively saying "I don't care until someone get's damaged".

 Additionally, you are insinuating "I don't care what the community thinks. I'm not doing anything to alleviate their concerns."

 That's pretty bad, Bear.

 I hate to break it to you, but people have already become defrauded and damaged, and you're sitting there saying "I don't care".

[Phinnaeus Gage]

First of all, the bet got redefined as 100k$.

Link please.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Whatever, it is obvious that there will be no actions taken against BFL for obvious reasons. Money talks. Simple as that.

I'll be waiting far away with a good view once BFL explodes, then all of our warnings and requests to get BFL slapped with a scammer tag to help deter potential future victims will have been for nothing.

Just highlighting the ridiculous part of your argument. Scammer tags are for provable scams, not "potentially in the future fraud".

Yeah! That's what the trust thingy is for:

Risked BTC amount is money that the person could have stolen or did steal.

[RandyFolds]

I am generally not tagging scammers anymore. Use the trust system.

Do you know if Inaba sponsored this development?

Have you not seen the huge amount of scams lately? Especially alt coin related, there's far too many to keep going with the scammer tag system. It would be a full time 24\7 job to take care of them all. It's squarely in the hands of the users now, as it should be.

If it's square in the hands of the users, and a documented bet that isn't honored is no longer worthy of a scammer tag, I move that Matthew be cleared of his 'untrustworthy' status. He's doing everything right, and continues to be punished for shooting his mouth off. Inaba, however, is a cocksucker schilling a non-existent product.

In summation, fuck Inaba, fuck BFL, and fuck all their fanboys. I called them out as a scam years ago, and people have thrown millions at them in the meantime, all while begging for BFL to use some lube as BFL rough fucks them for their donations to BFL's cause.

[becoin]

People are more than capable of getting their money back any time they please. And yes I know it's dollar denominated, every business does that, even outside the "bitcoin world".

That doesn't correspond to the truth. BFL refuses full bitcoin refunds - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.0
I have warned people several months ago. What you did is change the title and lock the thread.

Denomination is a proper description of a currency amount, usually for coins or banknotes. For example, five euros is the denomination of a five euro note. Talking about denomination of a purchase order is totally irrelevant! Unless, of course, you purchase a bond. But BFL customers aren't investors, are they? They are just donors.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

If you buy an item from a shop in Europe using the Euros, you get the refund back in Euros.

If you pay it with a credit card with USD, the credit card company exchanges your USD to Euros. They do not care about USD, they got Euros.

This is what Bitpay does.


I doubt that BFL has not spent a single dollar of preorder money through, good luck to everyone getting a refund.

[becoin]

If you buy an item from a shop in Europe using the Euros, you get the refund back in Euros.

If you pay it with a credit card with USD, the credit card company exchanges your USD to Euros. They do not care about USD, they got Euros.

This is what Bitpay does.

There is a big difference between credit card payments and a bitcoin payments. It is the currency of transaction!

Refund is just the reversal of a transaction. If you pay EUR from your USD run credit card, the transaction currency is EUR. This is why you get refund in EUR. You have a contract signed with your credit card issuing bank to make the currency conversions for you. This is YOUR bank that is making the currency conversions, not the merchant!

While making a payment in bitcoins the transaction currency is bitcoins, not USD. BitPay is making the currency conversion for BFL, not for BFL customers. BFL customers don't have any agreemnet signed with BitPay. BFL have! This why the invoice issued by BitPay on behalf of BFL has prices both in USD and bitcoins!

You should really read the thread I've pointed out!

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

The item is priced in USD, you are paying with BTC.

Now Available for Order:

50 GH/s Bitcoin Miner - $2,499

Like it or not, Bitcoin will never be used for commercial transactions if you can get free currency speculation. You're attacking BFL with the wrong point.

[becoin]

The item is priced in USD, you are paying with BTC.

Again, this doesn't correspond to the truth! What does matter is not the price tag but the invoice! Invoice is the commercial paper that is presented in a court of law.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.msg1460393#msg1460393

Like it or not, Bitcoin will never be used for commercial transactions if you can get free currency speculation.

BFL is using bitcoin for free currency speculation, not me. I had the bitcoins BEFORE I decided to transfer them to BFL!!! How do I profit if I sent 50 bitcoins to BFL and got exactly 50 bitcoins refunded?

8. ASIC startups strongly oppose full bitcoin refunds as they are a big profit source. Firstly, because bitcoin is still unregulated as a currency and as a method of payment and secondly, because receiving bitcoins and later refunding in $, gives those companies free option call to profit from BTC /$ exchange rates differences between payment and refund dates. Of course, what is profit for them is a loss for you!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136615.0

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

To quote SgtSpike: "That is not pricing in Bitcoins.  That is asking for payment in Bitcoins in an amount equivalent to the USD pricing."

BFL most likely has elected to receive payments in USD not BTC. BitPay would automatically convert it then. You profit in that if BTC goes up, you can cancel your preorder and rebuy - so you are holding something in USD and BTC, and choosing which one based on the prices.

Please stop, you're not helping your cause.

[oakpacific]

I think the bottom line is: you can argue that as long as BFL has not defaulted yet, mods should not be in a place to make predictions, as they should only handout scammer tags based on facts of scamming. Otoh, if there is sufficient evidence that BFL hasn't reached their power traget, the bet between Inaba and Micon should be upheld, and Inaba should get a scammer tag if he refuses to pay up the 1000 BTCs.

[mem]

You know the drill. An "untrustworthy" tag à la Matthew N. Wright could also be considered.

After getting scammertagged and then the community cools down, upgrade to Untrustworthy should be a community decision.

Second

[becoin]

BFL most likely has elected to receive payments in USD not BTC. BitPay would automatically convert it then.

Only BitPay and BFL know how much of the received bitcoins they converted in $$ and how much they decided to keep in bitcoins! And this, my friend, is exactly the definition of a free option call BFL gets at the expense of their customers...

You profit in that if BTC goes up, you can cancel your preorder and rebuy - so you are holding something in USD and BTC, and choosing which one based on the prices.

This is actually a nonsense!

Case 1
I have 50 bitcoins.
I transfer 50 bitcoins to BFL
I receive 50 bitcoins refund for BFL fails to deliver.
Result: I have 50 bitcoins

Case 2
I have 50 bitcoins.
I don't transfer any bitcoins to BFL
Result: I have 50 bitcoins.

How do I profit from following Case 1 than following Case 2?

Please stop, you're not helping your cause.

If you have arguments, please tell them? If you don't, please don't tell me what to do!

[surebet]

I think the bottom line is: you can argue that as long as BFL has not defaulted yet, mods should not be in a place to make predictions, as they should only handout scammer tags based on facts of scamming. Otoh, if there is sufficient evidence that BFL hasn't reached their power traget, the bet between Inaba and Micon should be upheld, and Inaba should get a scammer tag if he refuses to pay up the 1000 BTCs.

Geez, as long as he doesn't flat out refuse to pay, he can take all the time in the world, right? Never mind the fact that he didn't put up the cash in escrow as specified and that it's been two months, it not like he (or the people he works with) have a track record for being hilariously late with stuff and or simply not delivering.

[oakpacific]

I think the bottom line is: you can argue that as long as BFL has not defaulted yet, mods should not be in a place to make predictions, as they should only handout scammer tags based on facts of scamming. Otoh, if there is sufficient evidence that BFL hasn't reached their power traget, the bet between Inaba and Micon should be upheld, and Inaba should get a scammer tag if he refuses to pay up the 1000 BTCs.

Geez, as long as he doesn't flat out refuse to pay, he can take all the time in the world, right? Never mind the fact that he didn't put up the cash in escrow as specified and that it's been two months, it not like he (or the people he works with) have a track record for being hilariously late with stuff and or simply not delivering.

Oh, if their clients keep putting up with them, clinging to their preorders like it's the last straw grown on the bank of the river, why should the mods care? Suckers gonna find a way to screw themselves up anyway. Heck, if Theymos does give BFL the scammer tag, he may even find himself in waist-deep shit, as thousands of BFL "believers"/EMC customers going crazy with him as if he is the one responsible for their losses, I can foresee that.

[becoin]

thousands of BFL "believers"/EMC customers going crazy with him as if he is the one responsible for their losses

Yes, he has a substantial share in that responsibility! He allowed scammers to advertise for too long while silencing all of us who tried to warn what is going on.

[surebet]

I think the bottom line is: you can argue that as long as BFL has not defaulted yet, mods should not be in a place to make predictions, as they should only handout scammer tags based on facts of scamming. Otoh, if there is sufficient evidence that BFL hasn't reached their power traget, the bet between Inaba and Micon should be upheld, and Inaba should get a scammer tag if he refuses to pay up the 1000 BTCs.

Geez, as long as he doesn't flat out refuse to pay, he can take all the time in the world, right? Never mind the fact that he didn't put up the cash in escrow as specified and that it's been two months, it not like he (or the people he works with) have a track record for being hilariously late with stuff and or simply not delivering.

Oh, if their clients keep putting up with them, clinging to their preorders like it's the last straw grown on the bank of the river, why should the mods care? Suckers gonna find a way to screw themselves up anyway. Heck, if Theymos does give BFL the scammer tag, he may even find himself in waist-deep shit, as thousands of BFL "believers"/EMC customers going crazy with him as if he is the one responsible for their losses, I can foresee that.

Once more for those who are having a seperate conversation; I'm not talking about the delays of BFL vaporware, simply using them as an example of hilarity in track record.

I couldn't give two shits about BFL getting tagged, that's about the greed and naïveté of their client base. I'm talking about Josh, the person incarnated by the forum name Inaba and his six figure boast-bet. Yes I find the split "one account to kinda stay profesionnal but not really and one account to flat out insult clients" method stupid, but it was allowed so that's that.

Stop trying to tag BFL in this thread.

[becoin]

I'm talking about Josh, the person incarnated by the forum name Inaba and his six figure boast-bet.

Of course.

[oakpacific]

I think the bottom line is: you can argue that as long as BFL has not defaulted yet, mods should not be in a place to make predictions, as they should only handout scammer tags based on facts of scamming. Otoh, if there is sufficient evidence that BFL hasn't reached their power traget, the bet between Inaba and Micon should be upheld, and Inaba should get a scammer tag if he refuses to pay up the 1000 BTCs.

Geez, as long as he doesn't flat out refuse to pay, he can take all the time in the world, right? Never mind the fact that he didn't put up the cash in escrow as specified and that it's been two months, it not like he (or the people he works with) have a track record for being hilariously late with stuff and or simply not delivering.

Oh, if their clients keep putting up with them, clinging to their preorders like it's the last straw grown on the bank of the river, why should the mods care? Suckers gonna find a way to screw themselves up anyway. Heck, if Theymos does give BFL the scammer tag, he may even find himself in waist-deep shit, as thousands of BFL "believers"/EMC customers going crazy with him as if he is the one responsible for their losses, I can foresee that.

Once more for those who are having a seperate conversation; I'm not talking about the delays of BFL vaporware, simply using them as an example of hilarity in track record.

I couldn't give two shits about BFL getting tagged, that's about the greed and naïveté of their client base. I'm talking about Josh, the person incarnated by the forum name Inaba and his six figure boast-bet. Yes I find the split "one account to kinda stay profesionnal but not really and one account to flat out insult clients" method stupid, but it was allowed so that's that.

Stop trying to tag BFL in this thread.

I agree fully that given the precedence of MNW, Inaba should be fully taggable for his bet with Micon if the outcome is clear.

[smoothie]

I've got my popcorn ready when this entire BFL scandal blows up.

[billotronic]

I've got my popcorn ready when this entire BFL scandal blows up.

tick tock tick tock...

Though it would be GREAT if I got a jala before WebWarIII

[pikeadz]

Tag him for the unpaid bet as well as the 11 month stringalong game.  Unacceptable.

[KGambler]

It's disgusting that Inaba / Josh Zerlan does not have a scammer tag yet.  The charity bet is a very clear cut case of scamming.  BFL's CEO (not Josh - different scammer) is a convicted con artist (whose father was a career con man).  It's pretty transparent what they were hoping to accomplish with this phony "guarantee".

[MPOE-PR]

It's disgusting that Inaba / Josh Zerlan does not have a scammer tag yet.  The charity bet is a very clear cut case of scamming.  BFL's CEO (not Josh - different scammer) is a convicted con artist (whose father was a career con man).  It's pretty transparent what they were hoping to accomplish with this phony "guarantee".

Same thing as with the fake delivery bet on coinjedi's scamsite? Just a guess.

[billotronic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7Q9ZEdOLSE

[pekv2]

It's disgusting that Inaba / Josh Zerlan does not have a scammer tag yet.  The charity bet is a very clear cut case of scamming.  BFL's CEO (not Josh - different scammer) is a convicted con artist (whose father was a career con man).  It's pretty transparent what they were hoping to accomplish with this phony "guarantee".

Give it time, if we waited almost a year already for them to be scammer tagged, I'm sure the benefits of applying a scammer tag in the future will be very rewarding.

[Bicknellski]

Greets,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119338.0

You know the drill. An "untrustworthy" tag à la Matthew N. Wright could also be considered.

Yup...

[Viceroy]

Greets,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119338.0

You know the drill. An "untrustworthy" tag à la Matthew N. Wright could also be considered.

Of course the great irony here is that Matthew has been banned because he "said something" and Inaba continues to be the number one advertiser in these forums.  Theymos is OBVIOUSLY more interested in the money than the conversation.

[Xian01]

Greets,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119338.0
You know the drill. An "untrustworthy" tag à la Matthew N. Wright could also be considered.

Of course the great irony here is that Matthew has been banned because he "said something" and Inaba continues to be the number one advertiser in these forums.  Theymos is OBVIOUSLY more interested in the money than the conversation.

 It would not be fair to label Inaba a scammer without bestowing the same honor upon Theymos.

 Neither will happen on these forums under Theymos' ownership; the corruption runs too deep.

[Bicknellski]

Inaba = Shady.

BFL = Shady.


Why not give both the SHADY tag?

[Inaba]

Haha looks like someone learned a new word today! 

Bick, you're like a little kid who learns his first cuss word... you go around adding it to everything you say, is it because you think it makes you cool?

[DiamondCardz]

Haha looks like someone learned a new word today! 

Bick, you're like a little kid who learns his first cuss word... you go around adding it to everything you say, is it because you think it makes you cool?

This is how you handle customer service, guys. You should always go around telling the community you are trying to get to buy your products that they are basically fucking idiots constantly.

[Inaba]

Haha looks like someone learned a new word today! 

Bick, you're like a little kid who learns his first cuss word... you go around adding it to everything you say, is it because you think it makes you cool?

This is how you handle customer service, guys. You should always go around telling the community you are trying to get to buy your products that they are basically fucking idiots constantly.

Psssst... Bicknellski isn't a customer.  He purchased from Avalon and we see where that got him...

[DiamondCardz]

Haha looks like someone learned a new word today! 

Bick, you're like a little kid who learns his first cuss word... you go around adding it to everything you say, is it because you think it makes you cool?

This is how you handle customer service, guys. You should always go around telling the community you are trying to get to buy your products that they are basically fucking idiots constantly.

Psssst... Bicknellski isn't a customer.  He purchased from Avalon and we see where that got him...

Keyword: community

I didn't say customer or Bicknellski.

[Inaba]

Haha looks like someone learned a new word today! 

Bick, you're like a little kid who learns his first cuss word... you go around adding it to everything you say, is it because you think it makes you cool?

This is how you handle customer service, guys. You should always go around telling the community you are trying to get to buy your products that they are basically fucking idiots constantly.

Psssst... Bicknellski isn't a customer.  He purchased from Avalon and we see where that got him...

Keyword: community

I didn't say customer or Bicknellski.

Ok, so you want to provide some evidence where I call the community "fucking idiots" constantly?

[Viceroy]

Here's the proof:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278844.msg3009051#msg3009051

Respond to that post, Josh.

[Inaba]

Here's the proof:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278844.msg3009051#msg3009051

Respond to that post, Josh.

Can you point out the proof, because I'm not seeing it.  Just in case you wern't aware of the definition, let me help you out:  http://www.thefreedictionary.com/proof

There's nothing in that post but fantasy and questions, neither of which falls under the purview of "proof."

[Viceroy]

Well here, just answer this then...

What products have you registered with the FCC before shipping and what are the registration numbers?

[Inaba]

Well here, just answer this then...

What products have you registered with the FCC before shipping and what are the registration numbers?

Like I told Bick, when you can provide some proof, I'll answer your questions.  Until then, we've got nothing to talk about.

[Viceroy]

Proof of what?  I'm just asking a simple question.

What products have you registered with the FCC and what are there their registration numbers?

[Inaba]

Swear to god it's extremely important that you kill yourself tonight josh. 

You first, sport.  An hero and provide some proof and I'll get right on it. 

[Viceroy]

Josh which testing lab do you guys use to certify your products?

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm


You probably use this one, the only one in Kansas, right?


Rogers Labs, Inc.   
Louisburg   
06/27/2016   
Scot Rogers   

4405 West 259th Terrace   
Louisburg   Kansas   66053   
United States   
rogers@micoks.net   
913-837-3214   
913-837-3214


See I looked through the 302 tests he's done and I can't seem to find any for "Butterfly Labs".  Did you certify the hardware under a different name??

[DiamondCardz]

Haha looks like someone learned a new word today! 

Bick, you're like a little kid who learns his first cuss word... you go around adding it to everything you say, is it because you think it makes you cool?

This is how you handle customer service, guys. You should always go around telling the community you are trying to get to buy your products that they are basically fucking idiots constantly.

Psssst... Bicknellski isn't a customer.  He purchased from Avalon and we see where that got him...

Keyword: community

I didn't say customer or Bicknellski.

Ok, so you want to provide some evidence where I call the community "fucking idiots" constantly?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=8198;sa=showPosts

We can start here, if you like?

you fucking idiot.
you fucking moron.

That was quick! I would pull up more insults towards members of the community, but it seems that your obsession with PG has reached unsafe limits recently in the form that 90% of the posts you make are about him. You may want to get yourself checked out.

By the way, I'm still waiting for the proof that PG embezzled funds from Bitcoin100.

[Bicknellski]

Josh which testing lab do you guys use to certify your products?

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm


You probably use this one, the only one in Kansas, right?


Rogers Labs, Inc.   
Louisburg   
06/27/2016   
Scot Rogers   

4405 West 259th Terrace   
Louisburg   Kansas   66053   
United States   
rogers@micoks.net   
913-837-3214   
913-837-3214


See I looked through the 302 tests he's done and I can't seem to find any for "Butterfly Labs".  Did you certify the hardware under a different name??

You will never get any answers to that question or any others. If he tells you the truth it proved he lied about the FCC. If he lies it proves he lied about the FCC because there is absolutely no evidence of the FCC ever receiving the unit for testing. If there were FCC approval as he stated there would be there would be a public record of the test. There is none he lied end of debate. So he knows it is best to just keep to attacking the man and or making the straw man his go to argument. He might want to check out IronChariots. http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Category:Logical_fallacies or https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/pdf/Logical_Fallacies_on_A4.pdf ... a few of these you might recognize in Inaba's posts. He really doesn't seem to realize there are countless people here who see very nearly every statement he makes as logical fallacies and he may in fact think he is some sort of great debater but he lacks the basic skills to keep his lies facts straight and his company from being swamped in lawsuits.

His favourites tend to be Ad hominem and Ad hominem abusive and he is particularly adept and trying to make veiled threats to lie about your moral character to your employer to get you "fired", which I think is a grounds for a defamation suit or minimally banning his ass from bitcointalk, so feel free to retain counsel if he does the same to you at some point.

Some of the others he trends with are as follows:

Appeal to popularity
Cherry picking
Straw man
Reductio ad Hitlerum
Argumentum ad verecundiam

And the list goes on and funny enough the "sockpuppet army" that is used in this effort does use a lot of the same and there are countless examples of these "BFL supporters" using the exact same logical fallacies time and time again with the exact same lexical density down the ellipsis and periods used incorrectly. One only wonders if Bitcointalk were a 1 account per person forum a lot of this sort of abuse would immediately end particularly with the trust ratings but hey who cares right BFL is a wonderful company it really adds to the bitcoin economy doesn't it?

There are perfectly good reasons why he never answers but the main one is the goal to obfuscate the real situation as much as possible. Sadly most people can't recognize what that means. What it generally means is people who tend to negotiate or communicate in this way are sociopaths.

Arm yourselves, be aware and point out his logical fallacies and for the multiple accounts under his control that he uses rather frequently given the analysis I have made.

http://www.4thmedia.org/2012/11/18/tricks-of-the-psychopath%E2%80%99s-sociopath%E2%80%99s-and-politician%E2%80%99s-trade/

Inaba is more likely a sociopath than merely a shady morally bankrupt Gordon Gecko wannabe and I would suggest that whatever medication he is being prescribed is monitored more rigidly by his health care professional I truly worry he might be a danger to himself or others given the propensity to focus on individuals, fixating all his attention and then he attempts to lashout actually threatening their livelihoods and professional careers. Gives me the chills just thinking about what he might do if he snaps. It happens all too often in America especially with easy access to weapons.

[smoothie]

Josh which testing lab do you guys use to certify your products?

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm


You probably use this one, the only one in Kansas, right?


Rogers Labs, Inc.   
Louisburg   
06/27/2016   
Scot Rogers   

4405 West 259th Terrace   
Louisburg   Kansas   66053   
United States   
rogers@micoks.net   
913-837-3214   
913-837-3214


See I looked through the 302 tests he's done and I can't seem to find any for "Butterfly Labs".  Did you certify the hardware under a different name??

And silence from Josh...

Big surprise. 

[Viceroy]

I'm going to troll him until he answers.  If I get banned for it then you'll know Theymos is Joshs bitch.

[Bicknellski]

I'm going to troll him until he answers.  If I get banned for it then you'll know Theymos is Joshs bitch.

Code:

The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, 
and is not upon anyone else to prove the negative. The inability, or disinclination, 
to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid, nor give it any credence whatsoever. 
The example of not being able to disprove a teapot in orbit serves to illustrate how any 
claim, no matter how absurd, could be validated if this faulty logic was accepted.

He made the claim that he would have the FCC certification in 2 weeks. He has the burden of proof. No one else. Him so if he doesn't produce it he is a liar.

[Inaba]

Haha looks like someone learned a new word today! 

Bick, you're like a little kid who learns his first cuss word... you go around adding it to everything you say, is it because you think it makes you cool?

This is how you handle customer service, guys. You should always go around telling the community you are trying to get to buy your products that they are basically fucking idiots constantly.

Psssst... Bicknellski isn't a customer.  He purchased from Avalon and we see where that got him...

Keyword: community

I didn't say customer or Bicknellski.

Ok, so you want to provide some evidence where I call the community "fucking idiots" constantly?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=8198;sa=showPosts

We can start here, if you like?

you fucking idiot.
you fucking moron.

That was quick! I would pull up more insults towards members of the community, but it seems that your obsession with PG has reached unsafe limits recently in the form that 90% of the posts you make are about him. You may want to get yourself checked out.

By the way, I'm still waiting for the proof that PG embezzled funds from Bitcoin100.

You seem to be confusing the term "community" with "member of the community."  Once again, I am waiting for you to provide some proof.

[Viceroy]

Hey Josh,

Where can I verify that you certified your mining equipment with the FCC as required by law?

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Haha looks like someone learned a new word today! 

Bick, you're like a little kid who learns his first cuss word... you go around adding it to everything you say, is it because you think it makes you cool?

This is how you handle customer service, guys. You should always go around telling the community you are trying to get to buy your products that they are basically fucking idiots constantly.

Psssst... Bicknellski isn't a customer.  He purchased from Avalon and we see where that got him...

Keyword: community

I didn't say customer or Bicknellski.

Ok, so you want to provide some evidence where I call the community "fucking idiots" constantly?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=8198;sa=showPosts

We can start here, if you like?

you fucking idiot.
you fucking moron.

That was quick! I would pull up more insults towards members of the community, but it seems that your obsession with PG has reached unsafe limits recently in the form that 90% of the posts you make are about him. You may want to get yourself checked out.

By the way, I'm still waiting for the proof that PG embezzled funds from Bitcoin100.

Please forgive me! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278780.0

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Well here, just answer this then...

What products have you registered with the FCC before shipping and what are the registration numbers?

Like I told Bick, when you can provide some proof, I'll answer your questions.  Until then, we've got nothing to talk about.

Josh probably penned the above in the comforts of his home while his rainbow-color poodle paced back-and-forth wondering when his master is going to take her for a walkie.

Well, guess what happened exactly 63 minutes and 48 seconds later?

Josh, would you be so kind as to state which, what and when the screen was passed by the FCC? Us monumental assholes ain't got a clue as to how the FCC site works and desperately need your expertise in helping us find the info.

As soon as you show us, I will send that $200 I owe you/BFL, and you can use if for whatevery you want. It doesn't have to go to any charity. You, Sonny, and your wifes/lady friends can go to a fancy restaurant and enjoy a fine meal using the funds. No problem here, bud.

All you have to do is show us monumental assholes where to look, and your golden, and we're square.

I'll also take a week off and not state one iota negative comment about you, Sonny, BFL, et al. I promise... I mean Honest Abe.

Bruno Kucinskas
406 W. Center St.
Sandwich, IL  60548

815-508-1668

Surrrre you will.  Just like you lied last time about sending $200 to charity?  You are a habitual liar, Bruno.  You are a thief.  You are an embezzler.  You have no redeeming quality...

But lets see you hang yourself this time, here you go:  https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=132722&fcc_id='MSQME370T'

Josh provides proof to stick it up my, Bruno Kucinskas', ass by linking to the obsolete forerunner of the Nexus 7, claiming this is what we've been asking for all along.

Well, I got news for you Joshy Boy. Today, I have sent out 5 emails to the FCC, and tomorrow I will be speaking to a live person. Make no mistake, I probably will be stretching the truth a tad to get my point across. You best hope that I'm in a good mood tomorrow, otherwise I may stretch it a helluva lot.

I have to lie, Josh, otherwise if I don't you would be called out as a liar.

GAME ON!

[Syke]

When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?

Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.

Where is the Japapeno test report Josh?

[kakobrekla]

When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?

Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.

Where is the Japapeno test report Josh?

Did not pass, duh!

[Phinnaeus Gage]

When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?

Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.

Where is the Japapeno test report Josh?

BFL Fanbois: *Consider yourself in Contempt!*

Camp Lugan: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?*

BFL Fanfois: BFL's miner don't need to be FCC certified! Don't answer the question, Josh. It's a trap!

Josh Zerlan: I'll answer the question!

[to Phinnaeus Gage]

Josh Zerlan: You want answers?

Phinnaeus Gage: I think us monumental assholes are entitled to.

Josh Zerlan: *You want answers?*

Phinnaeus Gage: *We want the truth!*

Josh Zerlan: *You can't handle the truth!*
[pauses, to wipe the jeez from his chin]

Josh Zerlan: Sonny lived in a room that had walls, and one of those walls had bars guarded by men with guns. Who else has been there? You? You, PL? You, K9? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for those who've ordered or yet to order, then you curse BF Labs Inc. You have that luxury here on BitcoinTalk. You have the luxury of not blowing who I blow. Those that ordered, while tragic, probably would have wasted their disposable income on some useless product or service. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, directs that money to Butterfly Labs. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about in your panties, you want me to con moneys from them fools, you need me to con moneys from them fools. We use words like "in two weeks", "making hardware is hard", "we never lie". We use these words as the backbone of BF Labs Inc. You use them as a punchline. We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to monumental assholes who rises and sleeps under the blanket of BFL trying to protect the Bitcoin network, and then questions the manner in which we try to do such. We would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a phone and call the FCC, the FTC, the FBI, the IRS, the CIA... Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Phinnaeus Gage: Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?*

Josh Zerlan: I said what I was paid for to say, I...

Phinnaeus Gage: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit the screen to the FCC?*

Josh Zerlan: *You're Goddamn right they did!* *Provides link.* https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=132722&fcc_id='MSQME370T'

...

Josh Zerlan: [contemptuously] You monumental assholes... you have no idea how to build ASIC-based Bitcoin miners. All you did was weaken a company today, Phinn. That's all you did. You put our profits in danger. Sweet dreams, sonny.

Phinnaeus Gage: Don't call me Sonny. I'm a hero member of BitcoinTalk with the highest post count, and you're a son of a bitch with jeez on your chin. You've been served!

[Viceroy]

And your position today?  Is Inaba a scammer?

[MagnaGen]

HOW IS IT THAT INABA DOES NOT HAVE A SCAMMER TAG?!?


He Was Paid by BFL to systematically LIE to the consumers ON THIS FORUM. He was a MAJOR player in this Scam. If it werent for Inaba's constant LIE's
and FUD;  Millions of dollars would of NOT been spent on BFL's garbage hardware.
 

These are Facts:
Before Inaba became BFL_JOSH he was a VERY well respected member of this community. He ran a pool and he had been around about as long as I have (2011) . People trusted him, flat out. and he SOLD THAT TRUST TO BFL.

HE KNOWINGLY AND INTENTIONALLY USED HIS INFLUENCE ON THIS FORUM IN ORDER TO BOLSTER BFL'S CREDIBILITY, He sold his right not to have a scammer tag to BFL.

 
Lets look at the definition of the word scammer shall we?

scammer
Web definitions
swindler: a person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=scammer

According to Princeton university Inaba aka BFL_Josh aka Josh Zerlan is the DEFINITION of a scammer.

Bitcointalk Admins? how can you argue with this?

[Viceroy]

Because he blows the site operator.

[Xian01]

Because he blows the site operator.

He has contributed rather substantial BTC amounts for advertising purposes, huh ?

I can't imagine why Theymos is giving him safe-haven. Ill-gotten gains co-mingled with forums advertising funds and all...

[billotronic]

Because he blows the site operator.

He has contributed rather substantial BTC amounts for advertising purposes, huh ?

I can't imagine why Theymos is giving him safe-haven. Ill-gotten gains co-mingled with forums advertising funds and all...

Par for the course around here as of later unfortunately.

[jackpotjoe]

Because he blows the site operator.

lol... for how much?

[Gleb Gamow]

Because he blows the site operator.

lol... for how much?