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Long requested and finally here! Already seeing Doge highrollers!
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Sandpaper44
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October 11, 2018, 02:19:49 AM |
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You are on PrimeDice for quite some time now and you will not be warned each time you break the rules. Moderators and Support give warnings to new players that are not aware of the chat rules. Also, there is no feature to blacklist you from rain, there never was such a feature and there never will be such a feature. Rain-bot tips people randomly, people that are playing and are active on chat. You cannot get rain every time. And I have to agree with the moderator that muted your account. You are muted for a good reason. Why you said "cock" to the question "what is his/ her favorite breakfast"? If I were on that mod's place, I would have muted your account for at least a couple of days, just because you are a smartass. Also, as far as rain goes, you call people beggars/ begshits and you are crying about the rain as well, I mean cmon lol You took the time to look me up, one more step to ask support if such a thing was around! Well you are wrong in both ways, I am actually around since 2015 and devs have been in chat for a well talking about the feature. The mute is also not the main issue, it is a byproduct of what the real issue is but every one feels like I am talking out my ass and Stunna decided to ignore and promote moving in on another sites action. One issue for me and I have been black balled perma, its not just a hour or a day. Have waited days to address this and confirm it. Have gone out of my way not to mention the mod I have issue with as well. Till others are effected I guess no one cares that primedice has a good feature being misused by a overzealous mod. This is not about the rain but how a account can be labeled. No more fodder for sig spam since I am being ignored here as well.
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EnF0Rc3r
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October 11, 2018, 04:03:34 AM |
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You are on PrimeDice for quite some time now and you will not be warned each time you break the rules. Moderators and Support give warnings to new players that are not aware of the chat rules. Also, there is no feature to blacklist you from rain, there never was such a feature and there never will be such a feature. Rain-bot tips people randomly, people that are playing and are active on chat. You cannot get rain every time. And I have to agree with the moderator that muted your account. You are muted for a good reason. Why you said "cock" to the question "what is his/ her favorite breakfast"? If I were on that mod's place, I would have muted your account for at least a couple of days, just because you are a smartass. Also, as far as rain goes, you call people beggars/ begshits and you are crying about the rain as well, I mean cmon lol You took the time to look me up, one more step to ask support if such a thing was around! Well you are wrong in both ways, I am actually around since 2015 and devs have been in chat for a well talking about the feature. The mute is also not the main issue, it is a byproduct of what the real issue is but every one feels like I am talking out my ass and Stunna decided to ignore and promote moving in on another sites action. One issue for me and I have been black balled perma, its not just a hour or a day. Have waited days to address this and confirm it. Have gone out of my way not to mention the mod I have issue with as well. Till others are effected I guess no one cares that primedice has a good feature being misused by a overzealous mod. This is not about the rain but how a account can be labeled. No more fodder for sig spam since I am being ignored here as well. I have no idea who told you that there is such thing as "account being labeled" but that is completely nonsense. 99% of PD users have been muted at some point and they can still receive the rain, you can ask them on chat. I'm sure that Stunna has more important things to do than looking up a butthurt member that's complaining about the rain and how he has been muted for a good reason. Please, when you receive rain from RainBot just let us know here. I know that you will feel stupid but please share it here and all will be forgiven.
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Sandpaper44
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October 11, 2018, 06:18:03 AM |
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I have no idea who told you that there is such thing as "account being labeled" but that is completely nonsense. 99% of PD users have been muted at some point and they can still receive the rain, you can ask them on chat. I'm sure that Stunna has more important things to do than looking up a butthurt member that's complaining about the rain and how he has been muted for a good reason. Please, when you receive rain from RainBot just let us know here. I know that you will feel stupid but please share it here and all will be forgiven. I expect some cordial respect usually and right those that are trolling off for the most part but you did something early that peaked my interest. You took the effort to go look me up on Primedice and see that I should have been around long enough to know the rules. You follow up with less respect but I got something out of our exchange. EnF0Rc3r was last seen 607 Days, 22 hours, 58 Minutes ago, at 2017/02/10 07:00 UTCThat above is you and it is confirmed in your history 2015 and 2017, so its supposedly active enough. So you used a alt to look me up fair enough, but I noticed somethings in the history that amused me. You are posting on a very infrequently used account but it showed up 3 times that I noticed not long after Stunna posted and once was actually with another of my accounts(Thanks for helping me find that account,I appreciate it). Write that off to you being Serbian and being very close to the headquarters of Primedice. You have a bit of merit and glanced to see it and you got it form Micro after you tore into a similar incident then mine with some one discussing rain. You also talk in one post as if you are support or higher and I leave that for others to read since you have a short history. Either way thanks for feedback and I stated earlier that I really can not prove what I saw in chat without a mod verifying here and Stunna decided to skip that chance and I wait for some support to eventually come in and respond. Till then I wait and can not really attack the issue I have since I do not record chat and presumed a site would want to acknowledge they do this or they do not. This was never about rain or chat bans but how it was used and to answer the foolish aspect. I had my ban removed after I requested it and also after I rained multiple times to prove a point. As I stated earlier its hard to know if this feature is part of the mix without a dev coming in and verifying for me and I doubt that will happen now. This initially was not even a slag on Primedice either, just a kink I wanted them to look into. I know this site has trolls and sig spammers but I presumed the one person taking a interest would be Primedice. Dropping the issue anyways because I do not plan to incite mods in the future will just leave quietly like so many before me when the day does come.
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Symphonized
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October 11, 2018, 09:32:49 AM |
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All those issues should be addressed to the Support's chat, email or Staff team, expect some answer from them. Long requested and finally here! Already seeing Doge highrollers! Very nice indeed Thank you.
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Sandpaper44
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October 11, 2018, 03:48:26 PM Last edit: October 11, 2018, 04:00:35 PM by Sandpaper44 |
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All those issues should be addressed to the Support's chat, email or Staff team, expect some answer from them. Very nice indeed Thank you. To hard for you to answer as well! Its a simple verification of blackballing players that I am asking for and yet its like I have asked for a audit of the whole organization! Not sure why its such a sensitive issue for the site and I presumed I was opening up a aspect they had not thought about. Silence on the subject and attempts to shut down conversation seems to show otherwise. Its odd because it really is not a big issue at all, just wanted to point that it could be a issue for players long term. As for contacting support, I have shown I had a better track record here of getting issues sorted and I am talking to people farther up the food chain. My past history of having a transaction found took a whole week of support giving me excuses till I posted here and it was sorted in 2 hours. Support is fine for basic issues but anything in depth is pointless and often misunderstood. Have attempted live support 3 times and each time it just deletes my ticket, on my iphone live support has not even been working. So far 2 maybe 3 Primedice employees have come into this thread and have ignored the question. Used to be that you could enter a sites thread and get help, now these bigger sites just want to advertise in them. The greatest way to advertise is to help solve issues or questions in a timely manner to show you are on top of things. Ignoring or telling some one to go somewhere else for help just shows that players get the run around on more serious issues. Chat with Support names removed:
Me: Have a question that could help settle a discussion. Did the devs add a feature to block beggars from receiving rain in the last 2 weeks? Thanks.
Them: Hello. No, that feature has not been added nor it is being planned to. The only thing added is that when a user is muted he cannot receive rain until the mute expires.
Me: But it was something the Devs worked on? think it was ***** dev if I recall mentioning it
Them: We do not have information which developer worked on the Rainbot, I'm sorry.
Me: ok. Guess thats a dead end. Thanks
Them: You are welcome. Let us know if we can help with anything else, please. Have a nice day!
So its looking like I am off after I finally got through to support(It did not work on my Iphone). Thing is I saw it and know which mods where talking about it in chat but I will drop this issue now due to it being annoying to have gone this long. Basically turned into a he said she said thing and honestly can not be bothered. Just a eye opener that I have been dealt with this way twice now and last time I was right and its documented here as well under NotFresh account. Nothing else to add, any issues just hit me on pm or talk to me on Primedice.
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EnF0Rc3r
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October 11, 2018, 10:48:56 PM Last edit: October 12, 2018, 04:40:14 AM by EnF0Rc3r |
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I expect some cordial respect usually and right those that are trolling off for the most part but you did something early that peaked my interest. You took the effort to go look me up on Primedice and see that I should have been around long enough to know the rules. You follow up with less respect but I got something out of our exchange.
EnF0Rc3r was last seen 607 Days, 22 hours, 58 Minutes ago, at 2017/02/10 07:00 UTC I lost access to that account and I'm sure you already know that you can have more than one account on PD, it's not forbidden. That above is you and it is confirmed in your history 2015 and 2017, so its supposedly active enough. So you used a alt to look me up fair enough, but I noticed somethings in the history that amused me. You are posting on a very infrequently used account but it showed up 3 times that I noticed not long after Stunna posted and once was actually with another of my accounts(Thanks for helping me find that account,I appreciate it). Write that off to you being Serbian and being very close to the headquarters of Primedice. HQ of PD is not in Serbia mate but yes I am a Serbian which has nothing to do with all of this. As I said you can ask any player on chat that got muted at some point. There is no such thing as rain blacklist or whatever. You have a bit of merit and glanced to see it and you got it form Micro after you tore into a similar incident then mine with some one discussing rain. You also talk in one post as if you are support or higher and I leave that for others to read since you have a short history. Maybe he liked my post lol, I don't see anything wrong with that. Dropping the issue anyways because I do not plan to incite mods in the future will just leave quietly like so many before me when the day does come.
Well, once again, there is no such feature but even if there is one, I have to say nice job guys, stop the abusers.
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October 12, 2018, 11:09:08 PM |
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Just a eye opener that I have been dealt with this way twice now and last time I was right and its documented here as well under NotFresh account.
Nothing else to add, any issues just hit me on pm or talk to me on Primedice.
I'm sure it is solved now. It is always a good thing to have feedback about the users experience in the site, it helps everybody.
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yolanda222
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October 13, 2018, 01:50:09 PM |
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Long requested and finally here! Already seeing Doge highrollers! very nice primedice added doge,I always play with doge. but, I think, the minimum withdrawal of 4000 DOGE is very large
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October 13, 2018, 11:34:39 PM |
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There are alot of trusted Players that make exchanges between currencies for a very low fee. If Dodge's fee is too high for you you can always exchange to other currency with a lower fee such as Bitcoin that has only a 5k satoshis fee.
Please be adviced to use our Forum for those kind of exchanges where you will find those trusted Members.
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Sandpaper44
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October 14, 2018, 09:33:33 PM |
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There are alot of trusted Players that make exchanges between currencies for a very low fee. If Dodge's fee is too high for you you can always exchange to other currency with a lower fee such as Bitcoin that has only a 5k satoshis fee.
Please be adviced to use our Forum for those kind of exchanges where you will find those trusted Members.
If you are going to endorse this action to trusted players like you are by posting this, you should protect players from being taken by making it clear who these trusted players are. I see a new person every 2-3 days asking to make a trade and they end up sending to a person I have never seen in chat. Its 50/50 if they got scammed. This is the same issue with scripts you guys say not to talk about them in chat but at the same time promote one. Somethings need to be more clear. Just a eye opener that I have been dealt with this way twice now and last time I was right and its documented here as well under NotFresh account.
Nothing else to add, any issues just hit me on pm or talk to me on Primedice.
I'm sure it is solved now. It is always a good thing to have feedback about the users experience in the site, it helps everybody. Came in here with a issue and was ignored besides the account that is clearly a employee of Primedice giving me some kind of odd rub in attempt to silence any critique. Have had more than a handful people contact me saying they can see this and told me its nothing new. I do regret connecting Stunna as the feedback I have gotten has shown he is a solid character. Anyways its a bit of the issue I have with most crypto sites, they are never held to the flame and can dance around most issues. My feeling is that I was not wanted and the site gets what they want. Moving on.
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Stunna (OP)
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October 14, 2018, 11:13:43 PM |
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There are alot of trusted Players that make exchanges between currencies for a very low fee. If Dodge's fee is too high for you you can always exchange to other currency with a lower fee such as Bitcoin that has only a 5k satoshis fee.
Please be adviced to use our Forum for those kind of exchanges where you will find those trusted Members.
If you are going to endorse this action to trusted players like you are by posting this, you should protect players from being taken by making it clear who these trusted players are. I see a new person every 2-3 days asking to make a trade and they end up sending to a person I have never seen in chat. Its 50/50 if they got scammed. This is the same issue with scripts you guys say not to talk about them in chat but at the same time promote one. Somethings need to be more clear. Just a eye opener that I have been dealt with this way twice now and last time I was right and its documented here as well under NotFresh account.
Nothing else to add, any issues just hit me on pm or talk to me on Primedice.
I'm sure it is solved now. It is always a good thing to have feedback about the users experience in the site, it helps everybody. Came in here with a issue and was ignored besides the account that is clearly a employee of Primedice giving me some kind of odd rub in attempt to silence any critique. Have had more than a handful people contact me saying they can see this and told me its nothing new. I do regret connecting Stunna as the feedback I have gotten has shown he is a solid character. Anyways its a bit of the issue I have with most crypto sites, they are never held to the flame and can dance around most issues. My feeling is that I was not wanted and the site gets what they want. Moving on. I don't endorse non-escrow'd trades between players, I recommend people do so at their own risk. We've partnered with a company that does altcoin exchange for a lot of big exchanges and just finished implementing it, will be launching soon.
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EnF0Rc3r
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October 14, 2018, 11:31:47 PM |
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There are alot of trusted Players that make exchanges between currencies for a very low fee. If Dodge's fee is too high for you you can always exchange to other currency with a lower fee such as Bitcoin that has only a 5k satoshis fee.
Please be adviced to use our Forum for those kind of exchanges where you will find those trusted Members.
If you are going to endorse this action to trusted players like you are by posting this, you should protect players from being taken by making it clear who these trusted players are. I see a new person every 2-3 days asking to make a trade and they end up sending to a person I have never seen in chat. Its 50/50 if they got scammed. This is the same issue with scripts you guys say not to talk about them in chat but at the same time promote one. Somethings need to be more clear. Just a eye opener that I have been dealt with this way twice now and last time I was right and its documented here as well under NotFresh account.
Nothing else to add, any issues just hit me on pm or talk to me on Primedice.
I'm sure it is solved now. It is always a good thing to have feedback about the users experience in the site, it helps everybody. Came in here with a issue and was ignored besides the account that is clearly a employee of Primedice giving me some kind of odd rub in attempt to silence any critique. Have had more than a handful people contact me saying they can see this and told me its nothing new. I do regret connecting Stunna as the feedback I have gotten has shown he is a solid character. Anyways its a bit of the issue I have with most crypto sites, they are never held to the flame and can dance around most issues. My feeling is that I was not wanted and the site gets what they want. Moving on. I'm just a loyal player who has been around from 2014. and I hate when people want to prove something that isn't there. Also, if you don't like how the things are dealt with, why are you still around? Well, I will leave you with your thoughts.
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October 14, 2018, 11:38:39 PM |
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Just as Stunna said, you can exchange between Players but at your own risk off course...
Still Forum would be a better option if you want to exchange currencies since everyone has a trust level (reputation).
(Till there's a new exchange service on the site)
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October 15, 2018, 02:09:09 AM |
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There are alot of trusted Players that make exchanges between currencies for a very low fee. If Dodge's fee is too high for you you can always exchange to other currency with a lower fee such as Bitcoin that has only a 5k satoshis fee.
Please be adviced to use our Forum for those kind of exchanges where you will find those trusted Members.
If you are going to endorse this action to trusted players like you are by posting this, you should protect players from being taken by making it clear who these trusted players are. I see a new person every 2-3 days asking to make a trade and they end up sending to a person I have never seen in chat. Its 50/50 if they got scammed. This is the same issue with scripts you guys say not to talk about them in chat but at the same time promote one. Somethings need to be more clear. Just a eye opener that I have been dealt with this way twice now and last time I was right and its documented here as well under NotFresh account.
Nothing else to add, any issues just hit me on pm or talk to me on Primedice.
I'm sure it is solved now. It is always a good thing to have feedback about the users experience in the site, it helps everybody. Came in here with a issue and was ignored besides the account that is clearly a employee of Primedice giving me some kind of odd rub in attempt to silence any critique. Have had more than a handful people contact me saying they can see this and told me its nothing new. I do regret connecting Stunna as the feedback I have gotten has shown he is a solid character. Anyways its a bit of the issue I have with most crypto sites, they are never held to the flame and can dance around most issues. My feeling is that I was not wanted and the site gets what they want. Moving on. I'm just a loyal player who has been around from 2014. and I hate when people want to prove something that isn't there. Also, if you don't like how the things are dealt with, why are you still around? Well, I will leave you with your thoughts. You skirt most points like a good troll. Moving on implies I no longer will be playing there. Still skirting why you talk like a employee? Thats fine anyone reading your history will see where you do it. Was there a company meeting again! Third time you post 20 minutes after Stunna. Oh well, I careless. Site turned to garbage once stake got pushed. Enjoy it, most players can feel it.
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EnF0Rc3r
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October 15, 2018, 03:18:33 AM |
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There are alot of trusted Players that make exchanges between currencies for a very low fee. If Dodge's fee is too high for you you can always exchange to other currency with a lower fee such as Bitcoin that has only a 5k satoshis fee.
Please be adviced to use our Forum for those kind of exchanges where you will find those trusted Members.
If you are going to endorse this action to trusted players like you are by posting this, you should protect players from being taken by making it clear who these trusted players are. I see a new person every 2-3 days asking to make a trade and they end up sending to a person I have never seen in chat. Its 50/50 if they got scammed. This is the same issue with scripts you guys say not to talk about them in chat but at the same time promote one. Somethings need to be more clear. Just a eye opener that I have been dealt with this way twice now and last time I was right and its documented here as well under NotFresh account.
Nothing else to add, any issues just hit me on pm or talk to me on Primedice.
I'm sure it is solved now. It is always a good thing to have feedback about the users experience in the site, it helps everybody. Came in here with a issue and was ignored besides the account that is clearly a employee of Primedice giving me some kind of odd rub in attempt to silence any critique. Have had more than a handful people contact me saying they can see this and told me its nothing new. I do regret connecting Stunna as the feedback I have gotten has shown he is a solid character. Anyways its a bit of the issue I have with most crypto sites, they are never held to the flame and can dance around most issues. My feeling is that I was not wanted and the site gets what they want. Moving on. I'm just a loyal player who has been around from 2014. and I hate when people want to prove something that isn't there. Also, if you don't like how the things are dealt with, why are you still around? Well, I will leave you with your thoughts. You skirt most points like a good troll. Moving on implies I no longer will be playing there. Still skirting why you talk like a employee? Thats fine anyone reading your history will see where you do it. Was there a company meeting again! Third time you post 20 minutes after Stunna. Oh well, I careless. Site turned to garbage once stake got pushed. Enjoy it, most players can feel it. Dude, I replied to your post, not his. I understand you, I am the only one who replied to your post and you didn't like the feedback and now I'm just waiting for your post where you claim that I'm Stunna There is no need for a dramatic exit as I'm sure that you'll stay around because there is no place like PD.
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BTCevo
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October 15, 2018, 08:20:20 AM |
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Long requested and finally here! Already seeing Doge highrollers!
very nice primedice added doge,I always play with doge. but, I think, the minimum withdrawal of 4000 DOGE is very large I agree. DOGE faucet only give 0.1 DOGE and i doubt anyone could make even 1000x profit from faucet only. But 4000 DOGE equal to $20 which is small amount for gambling. Are you saying that you are going to abuse the faucet? Is it not forbidden on such great site like primedice? And even you manage it to get 1000x,I do not think they will let you pass with your withdrawal. Btw this is also wasting time too. 0.1 doger per claim, and min bet is 0.0000001 I never saw that any site will give this lowest min bet for doge, usually it takes like 0.01 or 0.001 doge as their min bet but primedice gives the lowest min bet for doge. I will say it will take forever just to get into 4000 doge withdrawal
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October 16, 2018, 06:16:44 AM |
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--snip for clearer thread--
Long requested and finally here! Already seeing Doge highrollers!
very nice primedice added doge,I always play with doge. but, I think, the minimum withdrawal of 4000 DOGE is very large I agree. DOGE faucet only give 0.1 DOGE and i doubt anyone could make even 1000x profit from faucet only. But 4000 DOGE equal to $20 which is small amount for gambling. Are you saying that you are going to abuse the faucet? Is it not forbidden on such great site like primedice? And even you manage it to get 1000x,I do not think they will let you pass with your withdrawal. Btw this is also wasting time too. 0.1 doger per claim, and min bet is 0.0000001 I never saw that any site will give this lowest min bet for doge, usually it takes like 0.01 or 0.001 doge as their min bet but primedice gives the lowest min bet for doge. I will say it will take forever just to get into 4000 doge withdrawal Isn't there min bet for BTC actually 0 Satoshi's. Basically you can bet 0 and basically if you win you get nothing and if you lose you lose nothing. So the low min bet for Doge isn't too much of a surprise. I remember I had a strategy I tried for fun. Basically rolled like 2 or 3 winners on the 50/50 dice, and then just set my base bet to 0 and rolled again hoping it would be a loss and I would lose nothing and then again I would go and return to the base bet. I think this is actually the reason why they allowed betting on 0 Satoshis, since it really doesn't benefit the site in any way but the roll actually does get processed.
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October 16, 2018, 06:59:45 PM |
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Isn't there min bet for BTC actually 0 Satoshi's. Basically you can bet 0 and basically if you win you get nothing and if you lose you lose nothing.
So the low min bet for Doge isn't too much of a surprise.
I remember I had a strategy I tried for fun. Basically rolled like 2 or 3 winners on the 50/50 dice, and then just set my base bet to 0 and rolled again hoping it would be a loss and I would lose nothing and then again I would go and return to the base bet.
I think this is actually the reason why they allowed betting on 0 Satoshis, since it really doesn't benefit the site in any way but the roll actually does get processed.
Yes that's right, and it is called Pre rolling (Skipping nonces) in gambling terms. Most used as you did when you want to skip some rolls.
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October 17, 2018, 08:52:51 AM |
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--snip for clearer thread--
Long requested and finally here! Already seeing Doge highrollers!
very nice primedice added doge,I always play with doge. but, I think, the minimum withdrawal of 4000 DOGE is very large I agree. DOGE faucet only give 0.1 DOGE and i doubt anyone could make even 1000x profit from faucet only. But 4000 DOGE equal to $20 which is small amount for gambling. Are you saying that you are going to abuse the faucet? Is it not forbidden on such great site like primedice? And even you manage it to get 1000x,I do not think they will let you pass with your withdrawal. Btw this is also wasting time too. 0.1 doger per claim, and min bet is 0.0000001 I never saw that any site will give this lowest min bet for doge, usually it takes like 0.01 or 0.001 doge as their min bet but primedice gives the lowest min bet for doge. I will say it will take forever just to get into 4000 doge withdrawal Isn't there min bet for BTC actually 0 Satoshi's. Basically you can bet 0 and basically if you win you get nothing and if you lose you lose nothing. So the low min bet for Doge isn't too much of a surprise. I remember I had a strategy I tried for fun. Basically rolled like 2 or 3 winners on the 50/50 dice, and then just set my base bet to 0 and rolled again hoping it would be a loss and I would lose nothing and then again I would go and return to the base bet. I think this is actually the reason why they allowed betting on 0 Satoshis, since it really doesn't benefit the site in any way but the roll actually does get processed. But it will be pointless to have that, we gamble to get profit, not to waste something like 0 bet, although it only to skip a few bets? What I mean, there is no point to do that, skip a few bets and that will guarantee your outcome? I do not think it works that way and I do not even know why someone would do this 0 bet from the start
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