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August 15, 2017, 05:22:14 PM
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August 16, 2017, 03:08:22 AM
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This wallet is infected.
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August 18, 2017, 02:09:28 PM
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I am always interested in the concept of security, this project will greatly help many people to maintain their privacy in the internet world, I see a nice interface, good luck with the pool and mining

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August 18, 2017, 06:20:24 PM
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such a interesting project im going to add this one to my watch list and participate in socail media campaing and some airdrop.

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August 18, 2017, 06:24:11 PM
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this should be check by investors who love to take some risk as we seen concept after concept and most of dev have their own ways to say that they
can be more than successful than other project but the real score would be between the project concept itself so I'm checking this one out and will
be joining this project.

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August 19, 2017, 12:38:13 PM
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Came here via the EOT tokens that showed in my Waves portfolio. Interesting project, will follow this. Can't join the twitter bounty due to too little followers though, shame.

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August 23, 2017, 04:08:07 AM
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what is the ID address for this coin?

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August 24, 2017, 10:24:51 AM
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what is the ID address for this coin?
same I've been searching for all over the internet

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August 27, 2017, 11:20:05 AM
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Need more mining pools and miners. difficulty too low.
i can mining, but how i claim eot coin to eot token
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August 27, 2017, 03:10:06 PM
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Hello,

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August 27, 2017, 05:05:06 PM
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EOT tokens TWITTER BOUNTY campaign (0.0008BTC=$3.4 per day)

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October 15, 2017, 11:20:52 AM
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Hi support eotcoin Android wallet no working thank for update
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November 03, 2017, 09:45:24 AM
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right now there is only one exchange https://wallet.crypto-bridge.org/ More exchanges may come soon. please do not panic to sell your coins.  wait and watch.

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November 30, 2017, 06:38:15 AM
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Hi I am came across this Reddit post about Bitvault: https://www.reddit.com/r/Crypto_General/comments/7g558v/bitvault_phone_eot_encryption_of_things_founder/

I need some clarification before I am going to buy them, please answer me?
Is Willem Petrus Marais really a fraud?

I would like to comment about this and please remember this is my opinion. The information about the company, Maradia Investment Fund is correct. But we don't know who for a fact is Willem Marais.

I am not part of the team but a community member.

I don't blame the guy who wrote the post on Reddit as he and others are obviously surprised when finding out some of the details. Also the price of EOT when initially purchased by some people have seen a significant decrease since their 'investment' in the coin/token. This has added to the woes and naturally emotion. Some people bought a lot when the price was high and now it is not. In no way I am saying he is wrong and in his own admission he does say it may be a legit product. But I do believe he is trying to say caveat emptor - buyer beware. Do your diligence and research for yourself as everyone has their own risk assessment and can afford to lose different amounts. He is providing information and for that no one can blame him.

I have not been told if the content of who is who is correct and when this info was asked in the Slack channel the answer was simple; what does that have to do with EOT?

The truth is nothing and something. We won't get a answer and you can draw your own conclusions.

For a proper assessment to be made whether to buy EOT or not lets look at the facts. This includes a worse case scenario and what we DO know.

Worse case: He is the same person as mentioned on the Reddit post. The papers are dated 2009.

Facts: The company Embedded Downloads is registered under Hein Marais and is technically 100% owned by him. Embedded Downloads uses EOT to encrypt their products and other applications. Further review of Hein Marais would show he is more than qualified to understand this industry.

The other products include Swissbankinyourpocket wallet storage and this is already available and people have received this product.

The crypto-communicator Bitvault has already been made and is waiting to be shipped. We do know the company VVDN Technologies (large company in India and voted 2017 as one of the world’s top 12 cloud engineering service providers) is behind this phone. This is a fact and widely advertised. The hold-up for delivery according to Embedded Downloads is there was licensing issues (FCC and CE certifications) and was explained on Slack.

To add to the validity of Embedded Downloads the entrepreneur and celebrity Kash Amini is a private investor and was at the London opening on Oct 31st and specifically mentions Embedded Downloads (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XsdQlXCw-A). If you google Kash Amini and EOT you will also find other promotions he is featured on. The quality of production for these advertisements also show it was done professionally and that cost money.

Yes, there is a EOT coin and a token. The coin can be mined (Scrypt) and the token is available on the Waves Platform. You could argue that the waves platform is actually another chain but coins were reserved so you could 'cash' out the waves token back to a coin, hence the price is more-or-less the same. However all assets listed on the Waves platforms are tokens so it can be argued that all assets are on two or more blockchains.

A quote form my previous post "Just remember the EOT tokens on the Waves platform are "really a representation of the currency and as such has value because it can be interchanged, just like Bitcoin and Ethereum are on the waves exchange. This whole process is explained on page 4 of the waves whitepaper, I think they call it an asset-to-asset exchange which makes it possible to list any asset that exist on waves.  Unfortunately waves only has gateways currently for Bitcoin, Ethereum, Waves, Euro and USD...When you deposit Bitcoin into waves account, you receive an equal amount of tokens which you can either trade or even sent via the waves blockchain to another user.. Once you withdraw your tokens are exchanged for BTC and you receive it back into your BTC wallet."

Being registered in Ireland and having offices in India, UK, US, Germany and Japan have given Embedded Downloads international exposure.

The MAIN audience target as suggested by Embedded Technologies is:

   Government communication
   Corporate markets
   Financial services sectors

We also know there was a large premine and that makes people nervous. This has been discussed on Slack with the developers on why and it is because of how the business contracts are arranged. When for example selling a Bitvault phone (or whatever product) in bulk part of the business deal would to preload EOT onto them initially. This may not be for all deals but it makes sense for the larger deals. A government or company buying in bulk will not want to buy EOT at market price, they want to buy into a product and not have all these in-app purchases. Large entities of course will use the product often thus using the preloaded EOT and then will have to buy more from the market at a later date. Having a reserve with the premine will provide this.

Also airdrops and giveaways to other 'investors' have been made.

Please note no EOT will be burnt but instead recycled back, that was a miscommunication.

What we have been told:

CryptoDoc from my understanding is already been developed can encrypt files and will also use EOT.

What we have been told is that there are other tangible products such as a router and cameras, all using EOT. These as we have been told are past the advance stages. We have also been told there is a XBOX game manufacturer in negotiations to develop their portfolio of games for the Bitvault.

In conclusion there are offices in India, UK, US, Germany and Japan. A lot of money has been spent making the Bitvault phone in association with VVDN. A large amount of money must be spent otherwise VVDN would not  support this project and VVDN have helped break into the market in India. Also the advertising production of the videos are not home-made requiring money. Kash Amini has publicly announced his support with Embedded Downloads and even allowed the use of his Lambo to promote it (check out other youtube adverts for EOT). If this was a scam its an elaborate scam with lots of money wasted on working products.

If we took the worse case situation and Willem Marais was part of the team or the brother of Hein Marais and weigh this up with the facts, does that risk for YOU equal the price of EOT? The price of EOT as at to date is less than US$0.01. Given the working products already out and and money spent you weigh up the risk you can afford. Ive made my decision on what I can afford based upon these facts and what could be. Have you?

Best case scenario is its not Willem or if it is him then he has turned over a new leaf. Or at least he is not even in charge but part of the team. Maradia Investment Fund has nothing to do with Embedded Downloads and if it's not a scam then EOT price will rise to the moon.

Please note there will be clarification on many of these points in the near future, hopefully demonstrated in the white paper so keep a look out.

Each person must consider their own risks. Don't allow FOMO to take over and remember caveat emptor!
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December 15, 2017, 06:23:25 AM
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how can i change my EOT coin to EOT Token?

If you are doing that constantly you may consider buying a "swiss bank in your pocket" hardware wallet. but for now. some members can help you do that on slack. either contact me there or join the channel #convert_coin_to_token

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December 19, 2017, 09:44:09 PM
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Introduction

People seem to have lots of questions regarding EOT. Some of the answers are of my personal opinion and I am not a team member of Embedded Downloads. I have obtained the answers through Slack and communication with the official team and community members.
I have outlined questions about mining, the Waves Platform and have shown the relationship between the Public Blockchain and the premined coins. I have briefly described the difference between EOT cryptocurrency and the inherent Blockchain and discussed multiple Blockchains and the dynamics of price influence.
This is only a brief outline and it was my goal to collate these answers in one convenient place for people to review, as it was difficult to retrospectively read through Slack to find these answers. There were also a lot of misunderstandings.

Mining Clarification

EOT Coin

Name: EOT Coin
Symbol: EOT
Coin Type: POW (Scrypt)
Time:90 seconds
Block size: 1MB
Reward halving: every 500,000 blocks
Block reward: 100
Total Coins: 200,000,000

A total of 50% is premined equalling 100,000,000 EOT tokens and is available on the Waves Platform as a waves-asset.

EOT Token

Name: Encryption Of Things Token
Symbol: EOT
Issuer:3PAY9wimGC8k4Eq2hbrH5DjCs82MND8MSbk
Asset ID: GdnNbe6E3txF63gv3rxhpfxytTJtG7ZYyHAvWWrrEbK5
Decimals: 8
Total Supply: 100,000,000

http://dev.pywaves.org/assets/GdnNbe6E3txF63gv3rxhpfxytTJtG7ZYyHAvWWrrE bK5
  
Coin and Token Discussion

To begin with lets review the EOT Blockchain Explorer rich-list (https://eotcoin.info/richlist). This list shows a wealth distribution roughly to date (19 Dec 2017) of 13.6897 million mined EOT coins and a coin supply of 113.6897 million. 100 million of these coins are in reserve for the 100 million tokens available on Waves, leaving the 13.6897 million coins that are mined by miners as shown on Coinmarketcap as circulating supply. The remaining coins have not been mined yet and are not in circulation and when calculated is 86.3103 million coins (200,000,000-13,689,700=86,310,300). Just keep in mind block halving takes place at block 500,000 and currently we are at block 136,905.
The following four addresses have been confirmed to be Embedded Downloads and have been put aside for future projects/devices including a reserve of 100,000,000 EOT coins for the Waves platform.

EeJdxdvjEbq1kw7KkGovvLMnAs9h7nB7e9
EVEHaEUdD7hQ4uw9nyr5LteDLNkiigDCwT
ETZ7powGjKeCRySD5YWbPLuj52LphXAbfc
EL5Km7NNY2wdMfHAmp3BLon7B9tAykQe62

The first Exchange EOT was available on was the Waves Platform. It was not an ICO but a way to distribute EOT for future businesses/organisations and other speculating investors to purchase, and this is why there is a 100 million tokens. Airdrops were originally distributed in this platform as the team feels this was the easiest method to expose EOT to multiple currencies. As fiat currencies and major cryptocurrencies are easily established to pair with EOT, it seemed logical as a good starting point.
It’s important to understand assets on the Waves Platform. Basically any asset is a representation of a currency and is maintain on the Waves Blockchain. This is separate to the EOT Blockchain and does have a mathematical relationship as seen above. Waves offer five services crucial for EOT to be traded on this platform.

Token creation
Deletion of Token
Transfer of Token
Anonymous order books
Decentralised Token Exchange (used with currency pairs)
-as seen in the Bid and Ask network transactions

https://blog.wavesplatform.com/waves-whitepaper-164dd6ca6a23
      
So how is this distributed you might ask? A reserve of coins is held and equal to the token so we can trade with Waves. This allows 1:1 token/coin swap either way. Ultimately the EOT coin on the Blockchain is the primary functional chain and it’s the coin that will be used to validate and encrypt, not the token. However, every token on the Waves chain must be represented on the EOT coin Blockchain to allow for the 1:1 swap.

Not all of the wallets on the Waves Platform are in public distribution. The following Waves wallets are confirmed to be Embedded Downloads:

3PAY9wimGC8k4Eq2hbrH5DjCs82MND8MSbk
3PNWKGCuhhVG63E1YncLNBsCnpDFR3ULcL2

http://dev.pywaves.org/assets/GdnNbe6E3txF63gv3rxhpfxytTJtG7ZYyHAvWWrrEbK5

Difference Between Blockchain Technology and Cryptocurrency for EOT

There is a difference between the Blockchain and cryptocurrency using the Blockchain.
The EOT cyprocurrency uses the Blockchain as a ledger of transactions distributed over a P2P network and is decentralised. A consensus is agreed where network participants all agree on the validity of transaction before it is recorded and is termed mining. Cryptography is used (Scrypt algorithm) and computer power is required to process these equations proving legitimacy. This is termed ‘proof of work’ and is available on the public chain.

When EOT is used for functional purposes it then is transferred to inherent private Blockchain where its function is no longer a cryptocurrency but instead has the purpose of using cryptography to secure data and to validate.
For an interesting read between private and public Blockchain’s please refer to
https://blog.ethereum.org/2015/08/07/on-public-and-private-blockchains/
      
Multiple Blockchains

There are multiple Blockchains using EOT for security. It is important to state that no EOT will be burnt. Any EOT used with any product is reissued back to the ecosystem. The only loss of EOT is when a product is destroyed or a wallet is made unavailable for whatever reason. That EOT is then out of circulation.

The EOT Blockchain is obviously the primary chain, and an alternative chain would be on the Waves Platform enabling the existence of the token. As mentioned above they have a close mathematical relationship allowing the 1:1 swap to take place anytime. This allows the price for the coin and token to be the same.

Other chains mentioned are the inherent chains that allow the functionality of the products. For an example if using the messaging function with the Bitvault® the encryption and validation for this application would take place using the EOT coin. It would operate on an independent private chain for these actions. Another separate chain would exist if using a different application such as a phone call with the Bitvault®, using CryptoDoc or a Router that uses the EOT coin. These separate private Blockchains prevent compromise. This is added security making each application independent.

Once the user finishes using the application that private chain is no longer active and the spent EOT coin is then made available to Embedded Downloads to redistribute back to the public Blockchain. The redistribution is part of the process and is vital with its implications.
That private blockchain does not exist for anyone to review and it’s no longer available after the call, message or whatever it was used for. Only the recipients that know the private keys are privy to this chain.

It is important to understand that the EOT Blockchain (https://eotcoin.info/) is a public ledger for the EOT coin and does not reflect the inherent Blockchains. EOT cryptocurrency is used initially and then at the end of the cycle will end up back on the public Blockchain. Intermediately the EOT coin doesn’t function as a cryptocurrency but uses the cryptography aspect to encrypt and validate data.
You will only know the address for the coins and when the coin was used but not what the coin is used for or who owns the address.
 
Trading Dynamics for EOT

Without getting into the entire dynamics of trading the answer is supply and demand.
You can limit the supply to prevent deflationary rates or make it scarce to add value. But what gives anything value is demand. Making demand for EOT is a product that requires EOT to be spent. Having products available like the Bitvault®, CryptoDoc, EOT camera’s and EOT Routers etc are examples of products to build a reason to use EOT, it does not build price.

Individual people will have to buy from the market but most expenditure for EOT would be from in-app purchases, for an example when playing a game you would upgrade something in the game, spending EOT. Maybe the xbox game manufacturer that is in current negotiations is considering this? You never know. Anyhow buying from the market increases price.

Targeting large agencies gives the opportunity for bulk orders and therefore more EOT to be spent. Even with preloaded devices, at some point these agencies would need to purchase from the market. How often they use the product would determine how quickly they would use EOT. An example would be an EOT Router or EOT camera being continually used. Most cities already stream data and use cameras continuously so once cities become IOT compliant they could consider this avenue and continual use would spend EOT quickly.

Those companies who bought in bulk would have to spend lots of money to purchase EOT on the open market. As large agencies are targeted it would be better to preload products and include it in the initial cost. This would provide them with price security and increase the chances of them buying into the product giving them market appeal. Agencies buying into a product with this method will enable future EOT price growth, as they need to buy in the future.

Another consideration would be having any product with unspent EOT, this would remove EOT from circulation for a period of time making it scarcer until it is used and returned to the ecosystem. The more products in use, the more EOT removed from the market therefore increasing price (scarcity).

Slowly building cliental with products and having real life solutions will prevent hype. Having hype will led to a quick price increase and is more often reflected with low quality. You often see a price spike following good news then a price retracement to previous support levels and then continuing to fall if it has no basis. Psychologically the assumption is with the price plummeting after the spike, there was no real cause to sustain a high price, thus hype has a negative connotation. If the project is more robust and people see stability and slow growth, then a slow and steady price increase is demonstrated.

EOT might be held in some products for 3-4 years but again this is limited. The answer is two-fold and depends on how often it us used and what product is in use as commented in above paragraphs.

At some point in the far future the premine will be exhausted (because of unavailable wallets or broken/unused products) and no option is left but to buy on the open market. As it is designed now, the recycled EOT to Embedded Downloads has extended this period. This in no means is detrimental but has a business model of sustainability and giving market appeal for buyers of products.

Some people may ask how investors with EOT might make a profit if the coins are recycled. Bitcoin is not recycled; in fact not many coins on the market are, yet people make a profit. It is in innovation that helps create this demand.
Exposure to people and having EOT listed on larger Exchanges will make EOT known to more people. This in itself is news and a price increase will be expected. Exchanges have been applied to but Embedded Downloads has no power to know if or when they will list EOT. Maybe they to are waiting for product distribution with a review of this innovative technology, we do not know.

News brings an increase in price and so does FOMO. Having a product behind this cryptocurrency is a rarity and especially with real life solutions. As we have seen with IOTA people do not want to miss out with this new technology and price will reflect this once the public become aware of EOT.

One last point, you can see that there has been a price decrease with EOT since its release. This is indeed true but expected with miners dumping and the market stabilising after release. This has been demonstrated in many other markets. It is known for people to cash in their free coins after airdrops but notably emotional trading after release is common.

This is especially true for EOT as news for the delay in shipping with the Bitvault® has created market jitters and emotion has set in. Just compare the dates and the price compared to the release for the gateway for Waves opening to trade EOT. There was a dramatic price decrease during this news as people reacted with emotion.

Conclusion

EOT fills a market void with a multi billion industry using products and having real life solutions to encrypt data.
With the complexities surrounding trading it is impossible to determine the future price of EOT. It is important to realise the sustainability of EOT in its environment is crucial for the future.

EOT is only in its infancy and hasn’t shown any growth. It is the products that Embedded Downloads has concentrated on to help grow demand. As these products haven’t been released yet we are not expected to see price increases as seen by our peers. It is Embedded Downloads belief that creating this demand will bring growth as people realise how easy it is to practically protect privacy.

Once news is out about EOT’s products and more people become aware due to Exchange listings I would expect the exponential price increase to be dramatic compared to a slow and steady increase with product release. It is not the intention to have hype driving price but rather the adoption of technology.

It is firstly adoption by being innovative that is primary. This is the main goal, secondary is the price increase for EOT and this will no doubt appease speculators.

EOT is Open source and an EOT Toolkit will be available to assist with integrating EOT into IOT devices or apps early 2018.
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February 10, 2018, 03:27:17 AM
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Hi guys, it’s been an exciting past couple of weeks for Embedded Downloads.

For those who don’t know Embedded Downloads is the company behind product releases that use the EOT coin for encryption. Specifically speaking EOT coin is used to encrypt data for IoT products by deriving a private key from a password. For more information please refer to the whitepaper (https://eotcoin.org/whitepaper/), and for various available products that use EOT please see https://swissbankinyourpocket.com.

All the available products use EOT coin to access the Blockchain and the Script algo is used for the generation of private keys.
 
For those who don’t know the website (https://eotcoin.org) has been revamped and looking more professional. It is now easier to navigate the website and additional links have been introduced to help transit this process.

Thanks to Crypto Sleeper Coins on YouTube for the review of EOT coin (https://youtu.be/9zkBvMvWJxU). There is currently movement underway to expose EOT coin and products to various crypto reviewers so keep an eye out for this.

In the past couple of weeks the product Embedded Vault (EV) was released. EV turns any PC into a secure hardware wallet (https://youtu.be/AkeYiknYpdk) and uses biometric security on your phone to generate dynamic keys. Basically this means connecting your phone (via Bluetooth) that has a fingerprint scanner to your PC will keep your crypto safe. Your private keys are never stored and it makes your fingerprint the key. No fingerprint means no access to your wallet.

Currently EV stores Bitcoin and EOT coin and is only available with the Android Phone (with fingerprint scanner) and a Windows PC. However, near future developments include IOS support, iPhone support and having the Waves token and EOT token added to the wallet. EOT coin to EOT token Exchange is also being developed to be operational with EV, so exciting times are currently ahead.  The timeframe for EOT coin/token Exchange and the waves wallet is expected to be complete on the 12 February if testing goes well. At the present time EV is a free download via the https://swissbankinyourpocket.com website and remains free until the end of February. EV has its own Bitcointalk forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2873567 if you have questions about this product or you can also ask on Discord.

For those of you who wish to have some more technical information regarding fingerprint sensors and security please refer to https://bit-media.org/news/an-independent-review-of-bitvault-the-worlds-first-blockchain-phone/ . Although this article is about the Bitvault you can find additional information about biometric scanning at the end of the article. This now leads me to an update for the anticipated Bitvault Phone. Yes, there is an update for the world’s first Blockchain Phone!

The defence force was one of the main audiences targeted for the Bitvault. VVDN Technologies Ltd as helped pursue this adventure.

50 units of the Bitvault have been ruggedised and dispatched to military for field-testing! Also for those waiting to hear how FCC and CE certification are going, the Bitvault is in its final testing to keep with regulations. First shipment for individual units is expected at the end of February.

The SBIYP hardware wallet (different to EV) accepts Bitcoin, Ethereum and EOT coins. Bitcoin Cash wallet upgrade is expected to be added in the next 10 days and the Ripple Wallet will be expected sometime after as it is currently being worked on and is at the initial stages of development.

Whitepapers and manuals are expected to be added to the Amazon Kindle Store and various Banner advertisements for EOT coin are running on Coindesk, Coingecko, Zero Hedge and more.
 
An official brochure is to be submitted for a Money 20/20 stall - publication expected on the 16 February.

With all these projects and developments the demand for EOT will increase. Just remember everyone that EOT coin is on Cryptobridge Exchange and the token is available on the Waves Platform or Tidex. Only the EOT coin can be stored in your desktop qt-wallet and the token-if to be stored securely is on the Waves Platform where you hold the private keys.  Coins and tokens are interchangeable and an OTC website can help you with the 1:1 swap (http://www.swapfox.me) or community members on Discord (invite - https://discordapp.com/invite/C6FXn6Z).

For more info on the difference between the coin and token please see whitepaper or FAQ on https://eotcoin.org.
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February 18, 2018, 04:29:21 PM
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How long will it be possible to convert EOT Tokens to EOTCoins? Is it still more interesting to buy at DEX WAVES? Where can I get a token converter for coins? It's viable? Suddenly, projects like these became important, the need for security increased!

A couple of days ago I asked a question about the conversion EOT Coins to EOT Tokens. Here is the answer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091616.msg30328936#msg30328936
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