Craig W. only claims to be Satoshi, because he knows the real Satoshi is dead?

[DooMAD]

The theory of Satoshi being dead is a plausible one (relatively, as is the theory aliens kidnapped Satoshi)

Or the theory that satoshi was an alien and simply returned to their home planet, where the vast distance of space means satoshi's transactions don't sync with Earth's copy of the blockchain.    

But back on a serious note, nothing about satoshi has to be proven, because we only need to prove who satoshi isn't.  And it definitely isn't faketoshi.  That much is beyond doubt now.

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[royalfestus]

The myth of satoshi identity that I usually consider to be true, is that satoshi is not a person but an organisation, organisation with government support. It is difficult now for anyone to claim the glory. I also believe America security agent knows too much on the invention. I dont expect such an approach given from countries like USA, Russia and China to the currency. They are liberal and tolerable to bitcoin especially and some developments that allow its adoption. This countries hold the largest share of the space and keep on encouraging the mining. In a time like this that the coin shows reason for global and government adoptions, some people are leaving for fiat that have so lost value.

[buwaytress]

The theory of Satoshi being dead is a plausible one (relatively, as is the theory aliens kidnapped Satoshi)

Or the theory that satoshi was an alien and simply returned to their home planet, where the vast distance of space means satoshi's transactions don't sync with Earth's copy of the blockchain.    

But back on a serious note, nothing about satoshi has to be proven, because we only need to prove who satoshi isn't.  And it definitely isn't faketoshi.  That much is beyond doubt now.

Jesus, imagine what happens when the light transmitting those txs eventually get picked up by Blockstream's satellite network. The miner including those fees should be rubbing their hands nicely together.

But we don't actually have to prove who satoshi isn't, to me, if you can't prove it (and the burden is on the claimant), then you're not. Elimination process would be endless. Best thing is, anyone who claims and can't instantly prove it, has been eliminated, no matter how hard they insist they aren't.

These guys really need to be more entertaining. So drab, boo.

[posi]

It's been 3 years and still, the topic is very lively.

I had this thought when I watched that video. The only way you can actually claim ones position in life is mostly when the person is dead. Good point but.... No matter who's dead and who's alive, bitcoin lives till the day after tomorrow!! ♥

It makes sense 'cause CW won't have any confidence if he knew that the real satoshi is still living.

First of all, Satoshi is not dead and never will he be cause every genuine bitcoin enthusiast are also Satoshi since they share and investment in his dream. However, I dont believe CW was claiming to be Satoshi because the real Satoshi is dead for the mission of people like CW who are always con all the day of their live dont usually bring something good. What I'm saying is that the purpose of his act maybe a bargain between him and an organization which totally was to see bitcoin vaporize which may have promise to gave CW something worth it for himself to do all his silly act.

And there are possibilities that CW might know the personality of Satoshi Nakamoto, maybe he's claiming the title for his friend.

He didnt know Satoshi personality but he's trying to expose his personality for a dirty purpose and thats the reason why he took different form of lies/excuses.

this has been discussed o many times and we have made a conclusion that craig is not satoshi but faketoshi. By discussing him again and again we are doing what he exactly want i.e. giving him popularity. so I suggest all members not to discuss this faketoshi.

"I knew Satoshi Nakamoto. Satoshi Nakamoto was a friend of mine. And you Sir are no Satoshi Nakamoto."

https://p2pfoundation.ning.com/friends/SatoshiNakamoto

I check the link to your profile provided by gmaxwell and stated the above message you posted and with what you have been doing on this forum and the forum provided by gmaxwell since the day you sign up people like you dont have any right to mention the name of Satoshi.

[posi]

I don't think that's true. He just wants to draw attention to himself.

Drawing attention to himself and he's telling an untruth to be Satoshi cause Satoshi is dead to be more popular? We need to think like a con person to understand CW intentions and i can assure that all his claims to be Satoshi cant just start in a day if it wasn't planned very well or have some group support.

[ChiBitCTy]

It's got to the point where he just continues to claim to be Satoshi because he's so far in to his lie that doing otherwise would be so much more harmful than to just keep up with the lies.  He's still got a lot of people fooled.  Plenty of people shoveling money his way based on his claims.  He gives himself up, all those things go away. He's clearly not satoshi, he could easily prove it and has not...Satoshi being dead or not doesn't seem to matter much in my opinion.

[daenk88]

Just imagine that one day the real Satoshi and his team come out..I would not want to be in Craig's shoes.

[hv_]

Just imagine that one day the real Satoshi and his team come out..I would not want to be in Craig's shoes.

Sure, but there might be 'no other'  - Wanting original Satoshi Version to run as set up and in stone by Satoshi is pretty much aligned with Satoshi, isn't it ?

mmmm - whatch his socks rather

[DooMAD]

Sure, but there might be 'no other'

Doesn't matter.  A lack of presence by satoshi doesn't mean we want or need a cheap imitation knockoff:

[interviewer] OK, let’s pretend the real SN is alive and watching all this happen. Why doesn’t he step in?

[interviewee] Presuming the real Satoshi Nakamoto is still alive, I don’t think he’s bothered too much by Craig Wright. Just like the Bitcoin OGs are totally not bothered by Craig either. Because Craig is just one of the few handfuls of Faketoshis that we’ve seen over Bitcoin’s lifespan.

Let’s be honest, Craig Wright is pretty irrelevant in the grand Bitcoin scheme.

If you bother to read:
https://modernconsensus.com/commentary/the-case-against-craig-wright-part-i-2009-2011/
https://modernconsensus.com/people/exclusive-the-case-against-craig-wright-part-ii-2012-to-present/

and the twitter posts linked within:
https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1225479475456024585
https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1209858790113337344

and the author's website:
https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/fraud-timeline.html

You should have all the evidence you could ever need.  But instead, you continue to make yourself look a complete fool by continuing to support an exposed fraud.

Wanting original Satoshi Version to run as set up and in stone by Satoshi is pretty much aligned with Satoshi, isn't it ?

Attempting to secure 6000 patents based on Bitcoin and blockchain is not "aligned with satoshi".  The conman wants fiat, you poor, deluded muppet.  He couldn't give less of a shit about Bitcoin.  It's just something he can exploit for gains in his preferred national currency.  You are blind if you can't recognise that.

[DooMAD]

Be prepared to be attacked on this forum if you fail to tow the blockstream line.

If you try to rip people off by attempting to scam them with shitcoins, you mean.  I don't care how many of you group together to protest your supposed innocence, you're all scum trying to profit from scams.

[Wind_FURY]

It's got to the point where he just continues to claim to be Satoshi because he's so far in to his lie that doing otherwise would be so much more harmful than to just keep up with the lies.  He's still got a lot of people fooled.  Plenty of people shoveling money his way based on his claims.  He gives himself up, all those things go away. He's clearly not satoshi, he could easily prove it and has not...Satoshi being dead or not doesn't seem to matter much in my opinion.

I believe it's the same for Bitcoin Cash SV holders like Kevin Pham as well. They won't admit that they were scammed. The shame would be unbearable! Hahahaha!

[nutildah]

Be prepared to be attacked on this forum if you fail to tow the blockstream line.

If you try to rip people off by attempting to scam them with shitcoins, you mean.  I don't care how many of you group together to protest your supposed innocence, you're all scum trying to profit from scams.

And there are still horse and carriage maximalists in Lancaster County.

You made up a lie that satoshi was your friend in order to promote your altcoin. That's pretty low.

This just isn't true:

Satoshi who friended me years ago on P2P Foundation was actually a group.

You being "attacked" has nothing to do with Blockstream or BTC maximalism. It has to do with making shit up in order to promote your own investment, which is inherently untrustworthy behavior.

[leyton11]

Just an idea. If Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, he would definitely risk the real Satoshi come up with a proof, that Craig is not SN. Is it possible, that CW explicitly knows about the death of the person behind SN, so he can make his claims without backing them up with a proof? 

it is possible that he knew that Satoshi Nakamoto did not want to appear or he was arrested, so he claimed to be Satoshi. But it doesn't matter that he is one of the people who holds the most bitcoins. Now, even if Satoshi appeared, what could he do when bitcoin's technology was in the way? For me, who is Satoshi Nakamoto doesn't matter, who is making the most money in this market. Now I only pay attention to the influencers and they can manipulate the market.

[BitcoinsGreat]

Craig Wright only wants to get public attention, so he claims to be Satoshi Nakamoto. After all, how would Craigs Wright know Satoshi
Nakamoto has died, while Satoshi Nakamoto identity is unknown. Several times claiming he was Satoshi Nakamoto was useless, as long
as can't show proof that craig wright is satoshi nakamoto. Now craig wright is known as faketoshi.

Many people tried to claim themselves Satoshi Nakamoto including Craig Wright. Satoshi Nakamoto did not reveal himself to the public for whatever reason, therefore many people tried to take advantage of that by presenting themselves to be (fake) Satoshi. No body believed Craig Wright when he claimed to be the founder of bitcoin.
Also where is the original  Satoshi Nakamoto , dead or alive , no body knows ?

[hv_]

Sure, but there might be 'no other'

Doesn't matter.  A lack of presence by satoshi doesn't mean we want or need a cheap imitation knockoff:

[interviewer] OK, let’s pretend the real SN is alive and watching all this happen. Why doesn’t he step in?

[interviewee] Presuming the real Satoshi Nakamoto is still alive, I don’t think he’s bothered too much by Craig Wright. Just like the Bitcoin OGs are totally not bothered by Craig either. Because Craig is just one of the few handfuls of Faketoshis that we’ve seen over Bitcoin’s lifespan.

Let’s be honest, Craig Wright is pretty irrelevant in the grand Bitcoin scheme.

If you bother to read:
https://modernconsensus.com/commentary/the-case-against-craig-wright-part-i-2009-2011/
https://modernconsensus.com/people/exclusive-the-case-against-craig-wright-part-ii-2012-to-present/

and the twitter posts linked within:
https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1225479475456024585
https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1209858790113337344

and the author's website:
https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/fraud-timeline.html

You should have all the evidence you could ever need.  But instead, you continue to make yourself look a complete fool by continuing to support an exposed fraud.

Wanting original Satoshi Version to run as set up and in stone by Satoshi is pretty much aligned with Satoshi, isn't it ?

Attempting to secure 6000 patents based on Bitcoin and blockchain is not "aligned with satoshi".  The conman wants fiat, you poor, deluded muppet.  He couldn't give less of a shit about Bitcoin.  It's just something he can exploit for gains in his preferred national currency.  You are blind if you can't recognise that.

depends all on your own view - funny 'legal' proof there.

I see that facts - BSV does what Satoshi wanted - no matter of all the rest

All - really all other protocols (gambelling tickers!!) got derailed, hijacked - altered -

call that a success - the price is on a different plate (moaning trolls - what a fun)

[nutildah]

I see that facts - BSV does what Satoshi wanted - no matter of all the rest

All - really all other protocols (gambelling tickers!!) got derailed, hijacked - altered -

call that a success - the price is on a different plate (moaning trolls - what a fun)

There's literally a thousand other altcoins out there that "does what Satoshi wanted" according to your very low standards. The only difference between those and BSV is that BSV is being led by a fraudulent conman who insists that he is Satoshi, despite being thoroughly ridiculed by the bitcoin community and never offering a single shred of proof that he is.

I call usership the ultimate measure of success. So far BSV has a very small actual userbase. It is accepted by almost no one, for anything, anywhere. Here's some quick stats for you:

Bitcoin SV
Median Transaction Value   0.00002 BSV ($0.0039 USD)
Active Addresses last 24h   21,220

vs

Bitcoin
Median Transaction Value   0.035 BTC ($266.13 USD)
Active Addresses last 24h   660,855

BSV has spent so much effort into filling its blocks with meaningless transactions in order to say, "behold muh big blocks!" that its totally lost sight of what was supposed to be its main goal: acting as a form of digital currency.

Really, when was the last time you wanted to send 4/10th of a penny to somebody?

BSV is like 99% of other altcoins: a lot of "look what we can do" with nobody actually doing it. If it weren't backed by Calvin Ayre, pumping millions of dollars into propping up its place in the CMC rankings, it would have fallen somewhere between Bitcoin Gold and Bitcoin Diamond, where it should be.

Your response will include the words "troll" and "triggered," because that's all you ever have to say. I don't think you're mentally capable of coming up with an actual rebuttal, but I'd be delighted to be proven wrong.

[hv_]

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too much bla for what??

triggered ?

BSV is just Bitcoin

No shit

just fun

[Wind_FURY]

Sure, but there might be 'no other'

Doesn't matter.  A lack of presence by satoshi doesn't mean we want or need a cheap imitation knockoff:

[interviewer] OK, let’s pretend the real SN is alive and watching all this happen. Why doesn’t he step in?

[interviewee] Presuming the real Satoshi Nakamoto is still alive, I don’t think he’s bothered too much by Craig Wright. Just like the Bitcoin OGs are totally not bothered by Craig either. Because Craig is just one of the few handfuls of Faketoshis that we’ve seen over Bitcoin’s lifespan.

Let’s be honest, Craig Wright is pretty irrelevant in the grand Bitcoin scheme.

If you bother to read:
https://modernconsensus.com/commentary/the-case-against-craig-wright-part-i-2009-2011/
https://modernconsensus.com/people/exclusive-the-case-against-craig-wright-part-ii-2012-to-present/

and the twitter posts linked within:
https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1225479475456024585
https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1209858790113337344

and the author's website:
https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/fraud-timeline.html

You should have all the evidence you could ever need.  But instead, you continue to make yourself look a complete fool by continuing to support an exposed fraud.

Wanting original Satoshi Version to run as set up and in stone by Satoshi is pretty much aligned with Satoshi, isn't it ?

Attempting to secure 6000 patents based on Bitcoin and blockchain is not "aligned with satoshi".  The conman wants fiat, you poor, deluded muppet.  He couldn't give less of a shit about Bitcoin.  It's just something he can exploit for gains in his preferred national currency.  You are blind if you can't recognise that.

depends all on your own view - funny 'legal' proof there.

I see that facts - BSV does what Satoshi wanted - no matter of all the rest

All - really all other protocols (gambelling tickers!!) got derailed, hijacked - altered -

call that a success - the price is on a different plate (moaning trolls - what a fun)

What he "wanted", with the information he had that time, doesn't matter. He is not here anymore.

ALTHOUGH, if he was here, I believe he would agree to the conservative design-decisions taken by the Core developers that made Bitcoin more robust.

[DooMAD]

I see that facts - BSV does what Satoshi wanted - no matter of all the rest

That's not a fact.  That's an opinion.  

What he "wanted", with the information he had that time, doesn't matter. He is not here anymore.

Taking satoshi out of the equation altogether, whether they were here or not, the only thing that has any discernible impact is consensus.  It's fine to have an opinion on which network you believe is a closer reflection to a document written by satoshi, but at the end of the day, it's just an opinion.  

If some people allow their opinion to blind them to the reality that the Bitcoin network is the one that has the:

• most potent network effects
• longest chain without cheating with an emergency difficulty adjustment
• strongest security of any blockchain on earth
• majority of the community's dev talent working on it
• largest support from users running full nodes
• most recognisable "brand"
• greatest utility and actual usage in making real-world transactions

then there's nothing we can do for them (by the way, @hv, those are what "facts" look like).  

Faketoshi supporters are entitled to their fantasies that they're winning some sort of perceived "moral high ground" and pretending that only they are uniquely placed to know what satoshi really wanted, but the simple truth is, they've lost far more than just that.  They've lost their credibility by following a fraud.

[Wind_FURY]

Newbies, this is Satoshi's real vision,



That's not possible if the Core developers made design-decisions that would centralize the network towards a few entities that are driven by profit.

I'm not saying those entities are "evil". They only act according to what's necessary for the network.