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May 22, 2013, 08:13:02 PM
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I am looking for "dummy press here and there" instructions for making paper wallet and transferring BTC for safe keeps. Please no smart ass answer, doesn't help anyone except it makes responders look stupid.

Yes, I have searched it on google and I noticed (1) The article on bitcoin.it is somewhat useless, as it is seems to be written by a paranoid person who says everything except for how to do it. (2) A number of web-sites and video focus entirely on the beautiful printing instructions that mimic physical currency (nice!).

But what I do not get is -- what do I need to do transfer BTCs from my online account to the address coin address. Help!

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http://blockchain.info/it/wallet/paper-tutorial

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Thanks. But been there and done that. I do not have an android phone so I cannot use their app.

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May 22, 2013, 08:24:03 PM
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Good answer above from blockchain.info but if you want to do it yourself, then you simply need to understand that your wallet is the privatekey.

Whether you choose to have that privatekey online with a 3rd party; in your computer; on your phone; on paper; or in your brain; or even in your brain as something that can be translated back into the privatekey, that is all it is. The public key is then trivial to derive from the private key. The balance then is simply the sum of all transactions.

So if you're running a client in Linux you can dump the private key and do whatever you want with it. So long as it's meaningful to you - make art if you want.
Code:
bitcoind dumpprivkey <bitcoinaddress>

When you want it you import it, you simply need that string that is the private key.
Code:
bitcoind importprivkey <bitcoinprivkey>

Probably that's very similar for other operating systems interaction with their clients too.
Other daemon calls listed in the --help and at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list


The only complex factor here is that getting the privatekey from the publickey is orders of magnitude more difficult.

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May 22, 2013, 08:25:11 PM
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I don't see the problem, go on bitaddress.org and ta-dah, you will automatically have your paper wallet, print it and that is done.

The rest of the tutorial is about spending them with a smartphone.

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The only complex factor here is that getting the privatekey from the publickey is orders of magnitude more difficult.

isn't that intractable?
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May 22, 2013, 08:31:16 PM
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Thanks! This is helpful in understanding the process.

Good answer above from blockchain.info but if you want to do it yourself, then you simply need to understand that your wallet is the privatekey.

Whether you choose to have that privatekey online with a 3rd party; in your computer; on your phone; on paper; or in your brain; or even in your brain as something that can be translated back into the privatekey, that is all it is. The public key is then trivial to derive from the private key. The balance then is simply the sum of all transactions.

So if you're running a client in Linux you can dump the private key and do whatever you want with it. So long as it's meaningful to you - make art if you want.
Code:
bitcoind dumpprivkey <bitcoinaddress>

When you want it you import it, you simply need that string that is the private key.
Code:
bitcoind importprivkey <bitcoinprivkey>

Probably that's very similar for other operating systems interaction with their clients too.
Other daemon calls listed in the --help and at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list


The only complex factor here is that getting the privatekey from the publickey is orders of magnitude more difficult.
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May 22, 2013, 08:34:07 PM
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Well bitaddress.org will print the address with the art. But how to transfer BTC to that location is something I do not understand.

Let me put it in other words, when one goes to bitaddress.org in the print wallet section -- it will generate those paper wallet without asking how much I want to put on it? So what amount is associated with those addresses? Clearly I didn't put anything on them. Try it.

I don't see the problem, go on bitaddress.org and ta-dah, you will automatically have your paper wallet, print it and that is done.

The rest of the tutorial is about spending them with a smartphone.
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The only complex factor here is that getting the privatekey from the publickey is orders of magnitude more difficult.

isn't that intractable?

It's interesting to understand how SHA-256 and other similar functions work. Creating ambiguity through XOR functions means you get the same answer reducing the private key but in reverse you don't know where to look because the information has been lost. One grain of sand from all the sand on all the beaches.

What I don't know anything of is what quantum computers do that's different beyond fuzzy logic. I can't immediately see a way that the answer would magically appear even then. I'm also not sure why the military recommends a move to SHA-3 - and I've yet to find an ABC description of that function but it would be interesting to see the difference.


Edit: ignore this above.. keys are more about ECDSA

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May 22, 2013, 08:44:07 PM
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Whether you choose to have that privatekey online with a 3rd party; in your computer; on your phone; on paper; or in your brain; or even in your brain as something that can be translated back into the privatekey, that is all it is. The public key is then trivial to derive from the private key. The balance then is simply the sum of all transactions.

Okay now thinking through this, I am getting to understand this. So basically one can generate the bitcoin address (from any of the multiple options online). And the balance as you say is "the sum of transactions" sent to that address. And I assume I would need an app or some other way to use the private key when I want to spend the BTC.

One question -- Is there a way to check the balance? Would it be as easy as peasy as just looking at:
http://blockexplorer.com/address/<address>?


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May 22, 2013, 08:45:22 PM
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it will generate those paper wallet without asking how much I want to put on it? So what amount is associated with those addresses? Clearly I didn't put anything on them. Try it.

I don't need to try it.
your wallet is the privatekey.
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The balance then is simply the sum of all transactions.

The blockchain that the clients download, is a history of all transactions.. that's why there's a worry about the size of that. The paper wallet doesn't hold an amount, it allows you access to the account - that is, it allows you to action change in that account, which is the same. You then think that you own something called a Bitcoin.. but your don't own some-thing, you own an idea - that idea has value and that idea is money in your account. Money is an idea, a confidence that tomorrow you can spend what you have today... it's simply a medium that people agree on exchanging.. and that then communicate wealth. Wealth matters; money does not.

To check your account you can put the public address into https://blockchain.info/
Do not ever post your private key to an online website!

Some third party sites will store the private key for you; you will have a public address and a more traditional password - Andriod blockchain.info app does that - but that's not as secure because you are trusting that 3rd party.. blockchain.info is probably ok but still not as secure as d.i.y.

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May 22, 2013, 08:46:05 PM
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Well bitaddress.org will print the address with the art. But how to transfer BTC to that location is something I do not understand.

Let me put it in other words, when ones goes to bitaddress.org in the print wallet section -- it will generate those paper wallet without asking how much I want to put on it? So what amount is associated with those addresses? Clearly I didn't put anything on them. Try it.

I don't see the problem, go on bitaddress.org and ta-dah, you will automatically have your paper wallet, print it and that is done.

The rest of the tutorial is about spending them with a smartphone.

when you go to bitaddress.org you will automatically generate a key pair.  example:

Bitcoin address:  1HSLPBjJ6UF9hPKmWNtQ3drZgUECZukUxa

private key:  5JZ74h718stdbnDz5Db3Vxksot4MfVfWHccbp3y6Wo6gt2WA4Ph

Of note is the fact that the Bitcoin address is a double hash of the public key, which you really don't need to know from a user's standpoint.

paste the Bitcoin address into your online wallet (blockchain i assume?) and hit send.  make sure you save the private key somewhere safe as that will be needed to access your coins from the Bitcoin address.

edit:  you should ideally generate the key pair from a computer that is not connected to the internet.  you'd do that by going to bitaddress.org and unplugging your ethernet cord from the wall before generating the keypair.  even this won't protect you from preloaded malware.
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May 22, 2013, 08:47:18 PM
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Please learn how bitcoin works before trying to transfer bitcoins and risk to lose everything.

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May 22, 2013, 08:53:29 PM
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I personally use Blockchain.info which had a very straightforward process to create a paper wallet. But just this morning I bumped into this: https://bitcoinpaperwallet.com/
I haven't tried it so I cannot guarantee, but from the video tutorial it seems quite easy.
Hope it can help.

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May 22, 2013, 08:55:46 PM
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it will generate those paper wallet without asking how much I want to put on it? So what amount is associated with those addresses? Clearly I didn't put anything on them. Try it.

I don't need to try it.

This was not for you. It was for another poster.

your wallet is the privatekey.
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The balance then is simply the sum of all transactions.

The blockchain that the clients download, is a history of all transactions.. that's why there's a worry about the size of that. The paper wallet doesn't hold an amount, it allows you access to the account - that is, it allows you to action change in that account, which is the same. You then think that you own something called a Bitcoin.. but your don't own some-thing, you own an idea - that idea has value and that idea is money in your account. Money is an idea, a confidence that tomorrow you can spend what you have today... it's simply a medium that people agree on exchanging.. and that then communicate wealth. Wealth matters; money does not.

To check your account you can put the public address into https://blockchain.info/
Do not ever post your private key to an online website!

Some third party sites will store the private key for you; you will have a public address and a more traditional password - Andriod blockchain.info app does that - but that's not as secure because you are trusting that 3rd party.. blockchain.info is probably ok but still not as secure as d.i.y.

Of course. This is like "open sesame" situation. Any body who knows how to access it, can spend (or put) BTC on it. Thanks.
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Please learn how bitcoin works before trying to transfer bitcoins and risk to lose everything.

Thanks for your concern. Don't worry about me Smiley I am fine. And I promise, I won't bother you if when I lose everything.
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May 22, 2013, 09:06:03 PM
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Well bitaddress.org will print the address with the art. But how to transfer BTC to that location is something I do not understand.

Let me put it in other words, when ones goes to bitaddress.org in the print wallet section -- it will generate those paper wallet without asking how much I want to put on it? So what amount is associated with those addresses? Clearly I didn't put anything on them. Try it.

I don't see the problem, go on bitaddress.org and ta-dah, you will automatically have your paper wallet, print it and that is done.

The rest of the tutorial is about spending them with a smartphone.

when you go to bitaddress.org you will automatically generate a key pair.  example:

Bitcoin address:  1HSLPBjJ6UF9hPKmWNtQ3drZgUECZukUxa

private key:  5JZ74h718stdbnDz5Db3Vxksot4MfVfWHccbp3y6Wo6gt2WA4Ph

Of note is the fact that the Bitcoin address is a double hash of the public key, which you really don't need to know from a user's standpoint.

paste the Bitcoin address into your online wallet (blockchain i assume?) and hit send.  make sure you save the private key somewhere safe as that will be needed to access your coins from the Bitcoin address.

edit:  you should ideally generate the key pair from a computer that is not connected to the internet.  you'd do that by going to bitaddress.org and unplugging your ethernet cord from the wall before generating the keypair.  even this won't protect you from preloaded malware.

Thanks. This helps me in understanding whats going on -- and yup, I got the security concerns. I work in the IT sector, so I have a pre-planned protocol for printing off-line with other precautions Smiley ... but I have learned in last 17 yrs is nothing is 100% safe.
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May 22, 2013, 09:07:59 PM
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I don't understand paper wallets.

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I personally use Blockchain.info which had a very straightforward process to create a paper wallet. But just this morning I bumped into this: https://bitcoinpaperwallet.com/
I haven't tried it so I cannot guarantee, but from the video tutorial it seems quite easy.
Hope it can help.

Yes I saw this just minutes before posting this. I liked the video and the effort this guy has put it into the art (didn't care much about the back-ground music). Everything was fine, except they missed an obvious step in video, how to load the paper wallet -- which turns out is straight-forward.
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May 22, 2013, 09:12:27 PM
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As i said, learn how bitcoin works.

You will "load" it exactly like you send bitcoins to any other address. It IS an address.

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I don't understand paper wallets.

Hi FinShaggy, what do you mean? That you don't see the usefulness of papaer wallet and cold storage?

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As i said, learn how bitcoin works.

You will "load" it exactly like you send bitcoins to any other address. It IS an address.

You are a little late. Others helped me understand the process -- and in a much nicer way.

Now you can get down from your high horse.
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I don't understand paper wallets.

Hi FinShaggy, what do you mean? That you don't see the usefulness of papaer wallet and cold storage?

No, I don't understand how you get a coin from a wallet to a serial number or barcode or whatever. I don't really understand how they put information in a barcode either...

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I don't understand paper wallets.

Hi FinShaggy, what do you mean? That you don't see the usefulness of papaer wallet and cold storage?

No, I don't understand how you get a coin from a wallet to a serial number or barcode or whatever. I don't really understand how they put information in a barcode either...

This is exactly what I did not understand either! Well it turns out all you need to do is sent an BTC amount to the bitcoin address that comes with the private key. As somebody mentioned earlier, the "value" of your paper wallet will be sum of all transactions at this address.

EDIT: For others also looking for clarifications on how to use paper wallet. This is what I have understood so far (could be a little wrong):
1. Paper wallet services allow you to create a "bitcoin address + private key"
2. You can print this information on a piece of paper; art is optional
3. To load this wallet, send BTC to the listed address. You can send multiple times and the value will be equal to sum of all transactions.
4. When you want to spend the money, use the private key or scan the code with a suitable app.

PS: There are a billion concerns about security, apparently no computer or system on the planet is hack-proof. See somebody is standing behind you and looking at your puter:)
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I don't understand paper wallets.

Hi FinShaggy, what do you mean? That you don't see the usefulness of papaer wallet and cold storage?

No, I don't understand how you get a coin from a wallet to a serial number or barcode or whatever. I don't really understand how they put information in a barcode either...

go here:  https://www.bitaddress.org

notice how a Bitcoin address (double hash of public key) and private key are generated with the corresponding QR codes (just another way of representing the key).

keep clicking.  each click will generate a brand new, unique, never been seen before keypair.  you can use anyone of these pairs for your own.  just send coins to the address and save the private key somewhere safe.  from then on, you can keep sending as many coins to that address as you want and the sum will be collected there waiting for you to cash them out using the private key one day.
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I don't understand paper wallets.

Hi FinShaggy, what do you mean? That you don't see the usefulness of papaer wallet and cold storage?

No, I don't understand how you get a coin from a wallet to a serial number or barcode or whatever. I don't really understand how they put information in a barcode either...

I can tell you my experience: I have my wallet with blockchain. I access it online but I also have the app on my phone. From the website, I exported my wallet into a paper form (easy guided process online). Now in this piece of paper I have both the pubkey and the private one. I made a copy of the pubkey only - it comes both in the usual form (1hmsn84...) and in QR code. If anyone want to pay some BTC to me, I just give him the piece of paper or he can scan the QR code. Exactly same process if I want to pay my bill at a bar: the waiter will show me the bill QR code, I scan it and pay!

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So each coin already has a serial number?

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So each coin already has a serial number?

No and yes. There is no serial number. There is
1. The bitcoin address -- that you send BTC to load it up and
2. It has a private key that you use to spend the money associated with the bitcoin address.
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So each coin already has a serial number?

No and yes. There is no serial number. There is
1. The bitcoin address -- that you send BTC to load it up and
2. It has a private key that you use to spend the money associated with the bitcoin address.

So like a private wallet for the coin?

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So each coin already has a serial number?

No and yes. There is no serial number. There is
1. The bitcoin address -- that you send BTC to load it up and
2. It has a private key that you use to spend the money associated with the bitcoin address.

This is something I also struggled with at the beginning: don't think about bitcoins like coins! Let me try to explain it in an easy way:
There are no "coins" but "balances". The pubkey (and the correspondent private key) doesn't identify a "coin", but your wallet. And this wallet has a balance (2,7242482 BTC for example). When you transfer some BTC to someone, you transfer your balance (or part of it).

Does it make sense to you? Smiley

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We're making illustrated instructions, single-key-press wallet printing software and LiveCD-based bootable secure OS packaging as part of the Safe Paper Wallet project.

Expect the first batch to ship this week to customers. Then we release the software and instructions as open source.

We will need more testers and feedback...


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1) Install a LaTeX distribution (aka, miktex or texlive)
2) load the sources from github (https://github.com/xeroc/LaTeX-PaperWallet)
3) ./import-wallet.py
4) ./generate.sh

See also: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=213946.0
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As i said, learn how bitcoin works.

You will "load" it exactly like you send bitcoins to any other address. It IS an address.

You are a little late. Others helped me understand the process -- and in a much nicer way.

Now you can get down from your high horse.
It seems despite that you had the need to reply to me, interesting. Oh and do your homework please.

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I can't believe nobody in this thread mentioned Armory yet: http://www.bitcoinarmory.com/

It is very easy to use, and makes making paper wallets a breeze.
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As i said, learn how bitcoin works.

You will "load" it exactly like you send bitcoins to any other address. It IS an address.

You are a little late. Others helped me understand the process -- and in a much nicer way.

Now you can get down from your high horse.
It seems despite that you had the need to reply to me, interesting. Oh and do your homework please.

You are annoying to say the least. What is it with you wanting me (a stranger) to follow your order? Give me a good reason why should I follow anything you said?

I feel for people around you in the physical world. I am sorry for them that they have to deal with you.
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1) Install a LaTeX distribution (aka, miktex or texlive)
2) load the sources from github (https://github.com/xeroc/LaTeX-PaperWallet)
3) ./import-wallet.py
4) ./generate.sh

See also: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=213946.0

Nice! will give it a try. Thanks.
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I can't believe nobody in this thread mentioned Armory yet: http://www.bitcoinarmory.com/

It is very easy to use, and makes making paper wallets a breeze.

Seems useful. But I was trying to avoid installations. Just my preference ...
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We're making illustrated instructions, single-key-press wallet printing software and LiveCD-based bootable secure OS packaging as part of the Safe Paper Wallet project.

Expect the first batch to ship this week to customers. Then we release the software and instructions as open source.

We will need more testers and feedback...



Please post and update when you are ready.
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November 21, 2017, 08:37:53 PM
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