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August 30, 2017, 10:10:42 PM
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So I would like to give everyone the chance to check their coins on this thread. The time limit is 2 months from today. Also I would like to give you the advice to redeem your coins ASAP because I will not be backing up any claims or accusations after this 2 months. My coins are worthless so i am told and a lot of you have lost plenty of MONEY Sad


So film yourself withdrawing the coin and if it in't there I will refund it. Providing the withdraw date is not after yesterday30/8/2017  Smiley


Some people think I kept the keys! Some people know I didnt fund some (accident man jees) but some people think I am going to scam EVERYONE!


So after 2 months the legitimacy of my business is finished and I will not answer anything. I have an extremely good lawyer in the UK so you have 2 months to act.

What I say to you is this. WITHDRAW ALL FUNDS NOW AND IF YOU DONT YOU RISK LOSING EVERYTHING. - for people that withdraw I will even provide a sticker for you to make it a DIY coin. Postage will be my pleasure.

You have 2 months to throw abuse at me. I am looking forward to it but kinda dreading it at the same time.

THIS IS MY LEGAL CONTRACT I HAVE NO CLAIM TO ANY OF THE COINS FUNDS as of DECEMBER 1st. - Until then I will sort out all problems.


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seriously I thought there would be so many people saying 'buthurt' buthurt' the end is here. Come on lads give me something to go on here please.

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August 30, 2017, 10:34:04 PM
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Can you please clarify what happens after 2 months?  Are you implying that you will be redeeming what is left on all of your coins?? Because that's how this comes across. 
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I guess its like terrorism. Some people are nasty fuckers who kill people but most of them in the same situation are actually nice. But the evil bastards kill each other to prove a point and the rest of them follow blindly because they do not feel associated with the victim. Just someone say a good word out loud about me before these savage assholes cut my head off and leave me for the worms.



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August 30, 2017, 10:40:22 PM
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I have purchased a few of your coins, and apart from having to PM you a couple of times to get them funded after receiving them in the mail, I've never had any issues. 

That said, you are giving me a lot of concerns about whether you intend to redeem these coins two months from now.  Please clarify whether your funded coins are at risk. 
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August 30, 2017, 10:44:59 PM
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OK, I'm currently having issues redeeming a 0.05 Silver coin.

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Your suggestions for sweeping it as so far the apps I've tried have failed. Electrum/Jaxx

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August 30, 2017, 10:45:44 PM
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You are doing a disservice to anyone who has chosen to continue to hold your coins. Your post sounds as if you are declaring "no confidence" in your own product. You are hurting the value of your coins, and in so doing you are actively hurting your past customers financially. What was your lawyer's advice about this?

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All I said in the written contract is that after 2 months I will NOT sort out any problems. Do you really think I am gonna fly round the world demanding peoples coins back? The only one interesting is bitenvy but I dont like angry parents. Just claim the coins or you are liable for anything that happens after that. I am through here. Scam this scam that scam anyone. I am out. Also I will not be providing the list of public keys until I get a computer to do so. How I feel right now I am seriously not bothered. Some nice people will probably not peel their coins. Then they will come to me saying ' hi sorry you had a hard time in the coin making industry, is it possible I can get a full set of public keys please?'     To those kinda people I would say yes. But all I give you now is 2 MONTHS. I will also make STickers AVAILABLE for 2 months and any mistakes repaid for 2 MONTHS Smiley. Use this time! Listen to the people who call me a scammer and take the bitcoin which is yours. After the 2 months there is no guarantee.


I am not doing anything I am legally stepping away. When did you guys sign terms and conditions here? Are all of you claiming your bitcoin profits in tax? Are you all declaring your coin profits in tax from the sales of coins because I could name a few? My 3k profit in 3 years  is like laughable. 

I am not saying anything bad about my product I am saying I will no further be involved with these bull shit troll artists that you guys support. I am totally out after 2 months so MAKE THE MOST OF IT Smiley







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Sucks for people that bought these at a premium  Undecided

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Sucks for people that bought these at a premium  Undecided



OH wait yeah people payed a premium for the russian roulette. So ok I will put 0.5 bitcoin as a roulette for you charming people. Who want to run the competition? I will send immediately.

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no one?

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Sucks for people that bought these at a premium  Undecided



OH wait yeah people payed a premium for the russian roulette. So ok I will put 0.5 bitcoin as a roulette for you charming people. Who want to run the competition? I will send immediately.

Wow ive never said anything to you.  Just commenting that is sucks for people that paid a premium for your coins thats all...you ok man?

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what the fuck do you mean premium? I worked my ass off selling them cheaper than anyone else. Explain. Yes I am ok. Just interested what your thoughts are Smiley

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what the fuck do you mean premium? I worked my ass off selling them cheaper than anyone else. Explain. Yes I am ok. Just interested what your thoughts are Smiley

People paid over what the loaded amount was, now you are devaluing them.  Im not attacking you but you seem unhinged.  Was just saying for people that bought your coins and now you are running them into the ground.  Maybe not from you but second hand sellers, etc about the premium.  Dam man im out good luck.

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Are all coins created under the Microsoul brand affected or only certain series?

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Are all coins created under the Microsoul brand affected or only certain series?



100% all. None to spare. Before december like I said I will sort out. Then we are 100% finished. If the coin was cashed out before today 31st or over 5 hours of you posting a complaint your coin is gone . Quite simple really. If its gone then I will allow the police to come raid my house and find my stuck together collectors magasine.

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what the fuck do you mean premium? I worked my ass off selling them cheaper than anyone else. Explain. Yes I am ok. Just interested what your thoughts are Smiley

People paid over what the loaded amount was, now you are devaluing them.  Im not attacking you but you seem unhinged.  Was just saying for people that bought your coins and now you are running them into the ground.  Maybe not from you but second hand sellers, etc about the premium.  Dam man im out good luck.


unhinged? really? Well no one jumped to my defence when I was getting called a scammer. I get it follow the load obnoxious ones its fine. Hype and threatening behaviour. Thats the coin community today

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no one?

OK, I'm currently having issues redeeming a 0.05 Silver coin.

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what the fuck do you mean premium? I worked my ass off selling them cheaper than anyone else. Explain. Yes I am ok. Just interested what your thoughts are Smiley

People paid over what the loaded amount was, now you are devaluing them.  Im not attacking you but you seem unhinged.  Was just saying for people that bought your coins and now you are running them into the ground.  Maybe not from you but second hand sellers, etc about the premium.  Dam man im out good luck.


unhinged? really? Well no one jumped to my defence when I was getting called a scammer. I get it follow the load obnoxious ones its fine. Hype and threatening behaviour. Thats the coin community today

Ok man, all i was saying is that a bunch of people bought your coins second hand at a premium thats all i was saying and now they have to redeem them at face value.  And yes you seem a bit unhinged.  As far as defending you i never knew you, talked to you or dealt with you.  What other people do and do not do is not under my or anyones control but you seem to feel like devaluing ALL of your coins is a good way to get back at certain people or this community i dont know....but collaterally people who never dealt with you are now getting shit on....thats all i was saying

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OK, I'm currently having issues redeeming a 0.05 Silver coin.

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Your suggestions for sweeping it as so far the apps I've tried have failed. Electrum/Jaxx

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OK well take a deep breath and post the video. If you did it incorrectly and someone steels your bitcoin I will not pay. Maybe send privately 1st

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what the fuck do you mean premium? I worked my ass off selling them cheaper than anyone else. Explain. Yes I am ok. Just interested what your thoughts are Smiley

People paid over what the loaded amount was, now you are devaluing them.  Im not attacking you but you seem unhinged.  Was just saying for people that bought your coins and now you are running them into the ground.  Maybe not from you but second hand sellers, etc about the premium.  Dam man im out good luck.


unhinged? really? Well no one jumped to my defence when I was getting called a scammer. I get it follow the load obnoxious ones its fine. Hype and threatening behaviour. Thats the coin community today

Ok man, all i was saying is that a bunch of people bought your coins second hand at a premium thats all i was saying and now they have to redeem them at face value.  And yes you seem a bit unhinged.  As far as defending you i never knew you, talked to you or dealt with you.  What other people do and do not do is not under my or anyones control but you seem to feel like devaluing ALL of your coins is a good way to get back at certain people or this community i dont know....but collaterally people who never dealt with you are now getting shit on....thats all i was saying


I estimate like 5%  of peolpe have problems which sucks I know but I always sorted them out. But I refuse to come to this shit hole to take abuse from blatent trolls who have no life or care for anyone elses thoughts. I am not an active part of this community and I am not a YES man. So you can blame yourself. Trust me I know a lot of other coin makers who complain about this shit. I am the 1st to say it. well there we go. 2 Months. After 2 months i am officially out. Simple.

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You'll send .5 to a roulette? I'll take you up on that lol

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You'll send .5 to a roulette? I'll take you up on that lol
well not quite as easy as that. All of the gold digger series will have to be numbered and 0.5 BTC sent to one of them. I can get a list together tomorrow then someone trustworthy sends it. Who wants to send it?

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I guess its like terrorism. Some people are nasty fuckers who kill people but most of them in the same situation are actually nice. But the evil bastards kill each other to prove a point and the rest of them follow blindly because they do not feel associated with the victim. Just someone say a good word out loud about me before these savage assholes cut my head off and leave me for the worms.



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I guess its like terrorism. Some people are nasty fuckers who kill people but most of them in the same situation are actually nice. But the evil bastards kill each other to prove a point and the rest of them follow blindly because they do not feel associated with the victim. Just someone say a good word out loud about me before these savage assholes cut my head off and leave me for the worms.



SAVE THE SCAMMER GRAVITATE.

You're off your fucking door mate, sleep it off!

Hey I am not actually drunk. I like your name by the way though. takes me back to UNI days. I am totally sound seriously. These messages are my written contract from now on.

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OK, I'm currently having issues redeeming a 0.05 Silver coin.
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OK well take a deep breath and post the video. If you did it incorrectly and someone steels your bitcoin I will not pay. Maybe send privately 1st

Video sent

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The "key" problem it appears is that the easy to read code on the bit of paper does not sweep into any of the wallets I've tried.
Now I've checked and rechecked my typing of the code but to no avail.

There were no issues removing the holo from the coin and the text was easy to read. It just doesn't appear to want to be swept. Now, that could be me using the wrong method hence my request for you advice. Which wallet do you recommend to get this key swept?

It starts with a 5

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I thought the roulette coins were cool looking and a great idea.  I'm sorry things turned out this way.

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The "key" problem it appears is that the easy to read code on the bit of paper does not sweep into any of the wallets I've tried.
Now I've checked and rechecked my typing of the code but to no avail.

There were no issues removing the holo from the coin and the text was easy to read. It just doesn't appear to want to be swept. Now, that could be me using the wrong method hence my request for you advice. Which wallet do you recommend to get this key swept?

It starts with a 5

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If it's a mini key (30 characters) it starts with an S, maybe try that?

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The "key" problem it appears is that the easy to read code on the bit of paper does not sweep into any of the wallets I've tried.
Now I've checked and rechecked my typing of the code but to no avail.

There were no issues removing the holo from the coin and the text was easy to read. It just doesn't appear to want to be swept. Now, that could be me using the wrong method hence my request for you advice. Which wallet do you recommend to get this key swept?

It starts with a 5

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If it's a mini key (30 characters) it starts with an S, maybe try that?

Printed on the paper its most definitely a 5. I tried the S and s though. No luck in electrum.


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As the chances are reasonably high that the private keys are broken I would welcome a refund of the Bitcoin contained on the 2 Silver coins I have.
The one that has been redeemed in the video sent to you and the other in the pic here. As they are from the same batch I think it is fair to estimate that this coins priv key is also worthless. Batch error?

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I would also welcome your comments on the 0.01 Coins in the second picture. Are the keys on those coins likely to be a problem? I believe they may have been part of your zombie batch. If so, again, a refund of the contained bitcoin would be appreciated, again to the above address.



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Thanks Gravitate for making some cool coins.  I appreciate and will keep them with my Casascius and Lealana.  I think this is exactly why Mike said "mission accomplished" and quit.  Regulations were a headache but I bet customers are even worse.

Thanks for your contribution here.
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Hey gravitate you made some real nice coins, I picked up two Russian Roulettes from another member and they are definitely in my top 3 favorite coins I own.

The funding issues suck and I'm sure staring at strings and strings of numbers while funding them may have led to the issues presented. Care and attention is so important with bitcoin and mistakes have cost a lot of people (buyer and seller) a lot of their hard earned money. I believe this to be a problem on both sides of the situation here.

It will prove interesting once people begin to peel and we will see if it may have been an honest mistake or if it were malicious. We all buy physical coins and put our blind trust in the coin creators to do the right thing... Probably more than we should to be honest..

If you peel please speak up here guys.
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So I would like to give everyone the chance to check their coins on this thread. The time limit is 2 months from today. Also I would like to give you the advice to redeem your coins ASAP because I will not be backing up any claims or accusations after this 2 months. My coins are worthless so i am told and a lot of you have lost plenty of MONEY Sad


So film yourself withdrawing the coin and if it in't there I will refund it. Providing the withdraw date is not after yesterday30/8/2017  Smiley


Some people think I kept the keys! Some people know I didnt fund some (accident man jees) but some people think I am going to scam EVERYONE!


So after 2 months the legitimacy of my business is finished and I will not answer anything. I have an extremely good lawyer in the UK so you have 2 months to act.

What I say to you is this. WITHDRAW ALL FUNDS NOW AND IF YOU DONT YOU RISK LOSING EVERYTHING. - for people that withdraw I will even provide a sticker for you to make it a DIY coin. Postage will be my pleasure.

You have 2 months to throw abuse at me. I am looking forward to it but kinda dreading it at the same time.

THIS IS MY LEGAL CONTRACT I HAVE NO CLAIM TO ANY OF THE COINS FUNDS as of DECEMBER 1st. - Until then I will sort out all problems.

I'm glad you're warning the buyers of your coins. But, I've been doing this for almost a year.  

Legitimacy?  You never finished the gold digger series.  You never made me whole in my scam accusation #1.  You never addressed my scam accusation #2.  You have scammed me two times now with 3 different coins.  This is fact!  I have laid out all of my evidence which points to both coins being received without funds!  I bought 3 different coins and were sold "funded" according to you, but yet they were not.  Want to talk about legal?  It is illegal to sell an item advertised as "funded" as you have done, but then ship coins to customers with no funds on the coins.  It is also what scammers do.  

And, now this post...  This post is no legal contract.  You refuse to make me whole again by putting these stipulations on time frames when I posted this latest accusation a month ago.  Basically, excluding me from receiving a refund.  What a way to treat a customer!  And, you have done absolutely nothing to address the legitimate scam accusation.  This is about more than a refund at this point.  But, what are you doing about my coins that should be funded?  I, like others have lost out on huge premiums because of this and by redeeming, then only to find out there aren't even any funds on the coins! 


I am not doing anything I am legally stepping away. When did you guys sign terms and conditions here?

How about your terms on your sale that says the coins will be "funded"?  I bought based on those terms.  Others did too.  I am not alone.  Vizique is showing multiple coins that were not funded when they should have been.  Jackblack90909 had multiple coins were not funded in recent thread.  More evidence of a bigger scam.  So, how many of your coins are NOT funded?  We will find out...  


what the fuck do you mean premium? I worked my ass off selling them cheaper than anyone else. Explain. Yes I am ok. Just interested what your thoughts are Smiley

People paid over what the loaded amount was, now you are devaluing them.  Im not attacking you but you seem unhinged.  Was just saying for people that bought your coins and now you are running them into the ground.  Maybe not from you but second hand sellers, etc about the premium.  Dam man im out good luck.


unhinged? really? Well no one jumped to my defence when I was getting called a scammer. I get it follow the load obnoxious ones its fine. Hype and threatening behaviour. Thats the coin community today

Ok man, all i was saying is that a bunch of people bought your coins second hand at a premium thats all i was saying and now they have to redeem them at face value.  And yes you seem a bit unhinged.  As far as defending you i never knew you, talked to you or dealt with you.  What other people do and do not do is not under my or anyones control but you seem to feel like devaluing ALL of your coins is a good way to get back at certain people or this community i dont know....but collaterally people who never dealt with you are now getting shit on....thats all i was saying


I estimate like 5%  of peolpe have problems which sucks I know but I always sorted them out. But I refuse to come to this shit hole to take abuse from blatent trolls who have no life or care for anyone elses thoughts. I am not an active part of this community and I am not a YES man. So you can blame yourself. Trust me I know a lot of other coin makers who complain about this shit. I am the 1st to say it. well there we go. 2 Months. After 2 months i am officially out. Simple.

Your coins had a huge premium because of the puzzle reward that no one is receiving because you didn't finish the series.  Once again, another scam.  Your coins are worthless because you made them worthless by making mistakes, not funding them, mixing up private keys to coin id's, messing up orders, upsetting customers, not handling things professionally.  I didn't do it.  I didn't want to post a scam accusation.  But, you forced me to because of how you handled everything and with the evidence I had.    





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He is just saying there will be no more support or after 2 months from now. You don't have to redeem Microsoul coins if you don't want to. Maybe I will redeem some of my coins because there is also bitcoincash on them, but I will sure keep 1 coin of each type unredeemed.

So if you have any problems regarding his coins act now within these 2 months and after that just leave him be, get on with life, enjoy life, be happy  Grin

Matthew just wants to stop with microsoul, that is his own choice and we have to respect that. Too bad, coins are nice and Matthew is nice and trusted guy.

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What is there to redeem if he never loaded some coins? Thank God I do not have any high value Micro coins..only one 0.01btc..but in the past I was planning to buy more.

 He should stand behind his product not just fold shop and leave.

What about the buyers from outside this forum? Are they being told about this? These people who are under the impression their coins are loaded are holding coins that are either not loaded or have the wrong private

public keys being matched. What about future sales? Are unscrupulous sellers gonna tell their buyers about this? Probably not if they want to unload them.

Action speaks louder than words fellas, and this is deeply disturbing indeed.

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This situation sucks... I like Microsoul coins, they are nice in my opinion. I'm not really motivated to peel those I have  Undecided

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Still haven't received my Russian Roulette coins...........   

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As the chances are reasonably high that the private keys are broken I would welcome a refund of the Bitcoin contained on the 2 Silver coins I have.
The one that has been redeemed in the video sent to you and the other in the pic here. As they are from the same batch I think it is fair to estimate that this coins priv key is also worthless. Batch error?

Please send the 0.1 refund to this address - 16xaiWYHhEw28gySEG9zJBXMX7MbiBZDKV

I would also welcome your comments on the 0.01 Coins in the second picture. Are the keys on those coins likely to be a problem? I believe they may have been part of your zombie batch. If so, again, a refund of the contained bitcoin would be appreciated, again to the above address.



Thanks in advance

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It especially sucks that you cannot redeem, even if he refunds the 0.1 BTC.  You still will lose out on the BCC associated with the address. 

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What is this crap???
 
If you made the coins you will be responsible for eternity. No excuses when you play with private keys.


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As the chances are reasonably high that the private keys are broken I would welcome a refund of the Bitcoin contained on the 2 Silver coins I have.
The one that has been redeemed in the video sent to you and the other in the pic here. As they are from the same batch I think it is fair to estimate that this coins priv key is also worthless. Batch error?

Please send the 0.1 refund to this address - 16xaiWYHhEw28gySEG9zJBXMX7MbiBZDKV

I would also welcome your comments on the 0.01 Coins in the second picture. Are the keys on those coins likely to be a problem? I believe they may have been part of your zombie batch. If so, again, a refund of the contained bitcoin would be appreciated, again to the above address.



Thanks in advance

Viz

It especially sucks that you cannot redeem, even if he refunds the 0.1 BTC.  You still will lose out on the BCC associated with the address. 

Indeed, roughly $30 a coin for the silvers and $6 per brass 0.01BTC so $78 bucks down if BCH is included.

Disappointing to be sure.

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Has anyone managed to actually successfully redeem one of these coins?
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Has anyone managed to actually successfully redeem one of these coins?

yes, in the past I redeemed some 0.01 microsoul coins, all were funded. I also checked my unredeemed coins on blocktrail and all are funded.

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Has anyone managed to actually successfully redeem one of these coins?

yes, in the past I redeemed some 0.01 microsoul coins, all were funded. I also checked my unredeemed coins on blocktrail and all are funded.

Thanks for that, I only have the one 0.05 which is funded as per blockchain, didnt see much point in redeeming it. Gonna see how this plays out
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He is just saying there will be no more support or after 2 months from now.

No!  He can't just stop being responsible for his past coins not being funded by posting this thread!  He is handling other people's money and is responsible if he steals, or defrauds his customers past, present and future.  Period!  No excuses!  This thread is a cop-out!  

I will echo what moonrock said:

If you made the coins you will be responsible for eternity. No excuses when you play with private keys.


Has anyone managed to actually successfully redeem one of these coins?

yes, in the past I redeemed some 0.01 microsoul coins, all were funded. I also checked my unredeemed coins on blocktrail and all are funded.

Just because the public key shows funded doesn't mean the coin is!  The coin ID (or public address) and the private key under the hologram may not be correct.  I found this out the hard way.  The private key when trying to sweep had no funds, the coin ID and public address Matthew supplied did not match the private key.  So, you talk about trusting gravitate with your momey?  He is saying in this thread, you cannot trust him or his coins!  I am saying you cannot trust him or his coins!

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Gravitate,

It's funny that you are lashing out at your customers when you are the one who has repeatedly fucked up so many times on customers orders.  Whether it's putting the wrong keys on coins, not funding the coins, or in the case of Vizique putting invalid keys altogether on the coins.   One has to assume that you are either a scammer or totally incompetent handling private keys. Either way, there is no room for these types of issues in this business, and I'm glad that you are finally admitting it.   

The next Encyclopedia needs to include a Hall of Shame of scammers and incompetents with Microsoul front and center, along with Coinographic and Alitin. 
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If you made the coins you will be responsible for eternity. No excuses when you play with private keys.
Indeed. What about the people that own a coin and do not visit the forum. How did you make up the 2 months ?

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Gravitate,

It's funny that you are lashing out at your customers when you are the one who has repeatedly fucked up so many times on customers orders.  Whether it's putting the wrong keys on coins, not funding the coins, or in the case of Vizique putting invalid keys altogether on the coins.   One has to assume that you are either a scammer or totally incompetent handling private keys. Either way, there is no room for these types of issues in this business, and I'm glad that you are finally admitting it.   

The next Encyclopedia needs to include a Hall of Shame of scammers and incompetents with Microsoul front and center, along with Coinographic and Alitin. 


oh yeah! That would be awesome!  Grin
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Gravitate,

It's funny that you are lashing out at your customers when you are the one who has repeatedly fucked up so many times on customers orders.  Whether it's putting the wrong keys on coins, not funding the coins, or in the case of Vizique putting invalid keys altogether on the coins.   One has to assume that you are either a scammer or totally incompetent handling private keys. Either way, there is no room for these types of issues in this business, and I'm glad that you are finally admitting it.   

The next Encyclopedia needs to include a Hall of Shame of scammers and incompetents with Microsoul front and center, along with Coinographic and Alitin. 


oh yeah! That would be awesome!  Grin

  A section devoted to scammers and incompetents has been suggested already and will probably be added. This will enlighten people who are not aware of what we know of, to stay away from certain coins that have a bad reputation.

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What is this crap???
 
If you made the coins you will be responsible for eternity. No excuses when you play with private keys.


What is this crap?? eternity?? you are always responsible for you own actions and buys. You know the risk when buying a coin from somebody else then you who knows/handles the private key. You should have thought about that before you bought the coin(s), this is with every coinmaker.

Years ago I had money on a bank account, the bank had a official license, the bank went bankrupt, bye bye money. I trusted the bank with my money, a risk I took. Legally I could do nothing, all my money was gone. That is the risk you take when you trust a third person or company with your money, you own responsiblity.

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Ping....

Gravitate... what news on sorting those coins out?

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Remember to claim the airdrops for Clams (CLAM), Byteball (GBYTE), Bitcore (BTX), and the Bitcoin Cash (BCC/BCH) fork before your private keys are completely compromised. Lumens airdrop wrapped up Aug 27.

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Just peel off my coins serial "microsould 2016 funded 0.05". Then all the privatekey contains and accordingly. Onto address 1EyoU1XzrJdrsXq4qXHAAD59imdSfzP2iP and 1GTd12TGKxrYMaVbEDjb44jHiFtRXyHXUS. Thankyou for your service gravitate.

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So I would like to give everyone the chance to check their coins on this thread. The time limit is 2 months from today. Also I would like to give you the advice to redeem your coins ASAP because I will not be backing up any claims or accusations after this 2 months. My coins are worthless so i am told and a lot of you have lost plenty of MONEY Sad


So film yourself withdrawing the coin and if it in't there I will refund it. Providing the withdraw date is not after yesterday30/8/2017  Smiley


Some people think I kept the keys! Some people know I didnt fund some (accident man jees) but some people think I am going to scam EVERYONE!


So after 2 months the legitimacy of my business is finished and I will not answer anything. I have an extremely good lawyer in the UK so you have 2 months to act.

What I say to you is this. WITHDRAW ALL FUNDS NOW AND IF YOU DONT YOU RISK LOSING EVERYTHING. - for people that withdraw I will even provide a sticker for you to make it a DIY coin. Postage will be my pleasure.

You have 2 months to throw abuse at me. I am looking forward to it but kinda dreading it at the same time.

THIS IS MY LEGAL CONTRACT I HAVE NO CLAIM TO ANY OF THE COINS FUNDS as of DECEMBER 1st. - Until then I will sort out all problems.


Why would I bother redeeming coins you never funded ? You sold me empty coins but said they were loaded.  Plain and simple..
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Shit like this made me realise why the community is so averse to funded crypto products.

People like you impact progress by either displaying pure incompetence or actually having the intent to defraud.

Either way... this is disappointing!
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September 01, 2017, 11:10:24 AM
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All the coins I've purchased from gravitate are currently loaded (even though some took a while). I just checked the following:
- 0.05BTC Russian Roulette (funded by you and confirmed by me at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1248541.msg15394656#msg15394656)
- 0.05BTC 2016 series (funded by you and confirmed by me at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1248541.msg15394656#msg15394656)
- 0.01BTC 2014 series
- 0.01BTC 2013 coin

The Zombie coin you gifted me (or I bought, I don't remember) seems to be loaded as well (firstbit).

Of course, I did not peel the coins, since that would be quite wasteful as I prefer coins in pristine condition if possible, so I cannot confirm if the private key matches the public key. I sure hope it does.




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That sounds like a threat gravitate. Are you going to empty my coins, which means you kept all the private keys?

I just checked all of them, so if those are suddenly empty I'll know what's up. I would hate to lose 0.23BTC.

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Is that a threat gravitate? Are you going to empty my coins? Are you telling us that you kept all the private keys?

I know for a fact that my Russian Roulette coins were funded by you (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1248541.msg15394656#msg15394656), so if those are suddenly empty I'll know what's up.

It appears that gravitate is a crytpo- cluster-fuck when it comes to public relations and private key/ public address handling and is a major fuckup as a coin creator....  It seems ,  The addresses he funded are not the addresses to ANY of the private keys on his coins.... How the fuck do you overlook Something this serious in the business.... So if you want to preserve and protect any digital bitcoins that were supposed to be loaded...... Peel now or forever loose your bits....  He will only honor this til DEC 1, 2017.. at which time he will then vanish and move on to another scammy venture.....

This is the way I am taking this....  It is both a threat and a promise.......

Now My personal opinion....  everyone should Peel and get back any coins you can...  And Bitcoin bankrupt this mother fucking scum bag if he is going to man up and honor his mess for only two months... 

At least he is doing that much.....to correct the problem.. I have to give him that at least.... But only that...
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Surprise, surprise. The negative ratings are warranted and I regret ever removing the initial one. I hope that we never see you or any new coins produced by you in this section.

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That sounds like a threat gravitate. Are you going to empty my coins, which means you kept all the private keys?
Deserves more negative ratings.

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Is that a threat gravitate? Are you going to empty my coins? Are you telling us that you kept all the private keys?

I know for a fact that my Russian Roulette coins were funded by you (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1248541.msg15394656#msg15394656), so if those are suddenly empty I'll know what's up.

It appears that gravitate is a crytpo- cluster-fuck when it comes to public relations and private key/ public address handling and is a major fuckup as a coin creator....  It seems ,  The addresses he funded are not the addresses to ANY of the private keys on his coins.... How the fuck do you overlook Something this serious in the business.... So if you want to preserve and protect any digital bitcoins that were supposed to be loaded...... Peel now or forever loose your bits....  He will only honor this til DEC 1, 2017.. at which time he will then vanish and move on to another scammy venture.....

This is the way I am taking this....  It is both a threat and a promise.......

Now My personal opinion....  everyone should Peel and get back any coins you can...  And Bitcoin bankrupt this mother fucking scum bag if he is going to man up and honor his mess for only two months... 

At least he is doing that much.....to correct the problem.. I have to give him that at least.... But only that...

I did peel.... all my Lucky coins and 2 others....

None of the private keys match the public addresses and further more....

I was able to generate numerous public addresses from a single private key due to the way they were generated....

Happy to provide proof/listing of all of this....

And I still have not received my Russian Roulette coins  Angry 

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Are the 2016 Microsoul coins (0.05 silver and gilt) affected by priv key error too ?

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Are the 2016 Microsoul coins (0.05 silver and gilt) affected by priv key error too ?

I peeled 2 sets of those a while back and had no problem.....  but it may have been just my 2 sets.

The other coins I peeled were 2013 brass.

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Are the 2016 Microsoul coins (0.05 silver and gilt) affected by priv key error too ?

I peeled 2 sets of those a while back and had no problem.....  but it may have been just my 2 sets.

The other coins I peeled were 2013 brass.

Ok, I hope my set is correct too. A few days ago I thought about selling my microsouls coins but after what gravitate said I bet nobody will buy them -_-

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The decision gravitate is forcing me to take is not one I enjoy taking. I'll either lose 0.23BTC (currently around $1100) if he goes through with his threat or I'll ruin six (currently) pristine coins. As a collector, it's a very hard decision to make. At least with Coinographic it was taken for me (and only 1LTC, which was nothing back then).

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September 01, 2017, 01:44:57 PM
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The decision gravitate is forcing me to take is not one I enjoy taking. I'll either lose 0.23BTC (currently around $1100) if he goes through with his threat or I'll ruin six (currently) pristine coins. As a collector, it's a very hard decision to make. At least with Coinographic it was taken for me (and only 1LTC, which was nothing back then).

I felt the same then read through this thread and now just want to recover the BTC ...

whether the other "extras" like BCH and Clams is possible to recover I don't know but now I am withdrawing all sales of these coins.

I confess to being disappointed. I've liked many of the designs microsoul came out with. Ah well. It was not to be it appears. my own experiences of "making" has shown that it's not an easy task to cover all the bases.

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So if you want to preserve and protect any digital bitcoins that were supposed to be loaded...... Peel now or forever loose your bits....  He will only honor this til DEC 1, 2017.. at which time he will then vanish and move on to another scammy venture.....

This is the way I am taking this....  It is both a threat and a promise.......

Now My personal opinion....  everyone should Peel and get back any coins you can...  And Bitcoin bankrupt this mother fucking scum bag if he is going to man up and honor his mess for only two months... 

At least he is doing that much.....to correct the problem.. I have to give him that at least.... But only that...

At this point, what evidence do we have that he will actually honor his mistakes?  At least if one keeps the coin in tact, it has some collector value and a public key that shows a balance. If I peel, I have a worthless coin and a promise from a scammer/imbecile that he will make things right.

Pinging Vizique. Any updates on the coins you recently peeled? 
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nobody will buy them -_-

There is a market for sweeped coins. Maybe minerjones and digicoinuser can "Pod-ify" these.

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September 01, 2017, 02:25:14 PM
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nobody will buy them -_-

There is a market for sweeped coins. Maybe minerjones and digicoinuser can "Pod-ify" these.

Ah... thank you for the vote of confidence.
Unfortunately, the Microsoul coins are too small to fit our hologram.... but this is a lesson for the future....
A smaller hologram can have a larger application base due to size constraints on the back of most physical cryptos. Cheesy

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At this point, what evidence do we have that he will actually honor his mistakes?  At least if one keeps the coin in tact, it has some collector value and a public key that shows a balance. If I peel, I have a worthless coin and a promise from a scammer/imbecile that he will make things right.

Pinging Vizique. Any updates on the coins you recently peeled? 

Nothing yet.

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Are the 2016 Microsoul coins (0.05 silver and gilt) affected by priv key error too ?

I believe so, when I asked the below question he stated "100% all" which I took to mean all Microsoul and collaboration coins made under that brand (Cryptoimperator/Microsoul Philopsoher coin for example).


Are all coins created under the Microsoul brand affected or only certain series?

100% all. None to spare. Before december like I said I will sort out. Then we are 100% finished. If the coin was cashed out before today 31st or over 5 hours of you posting a complaint your coin is gone . Quite simple really. If its gone then I will allow the police to come raid my house and find my stuck together collectors magasine.

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The decision gravitate is forcing me to take is not one I enjoy taking. I'll either lose 0.23BTC (currently around $1100) if he goes through with his threat or I'll ruin six (currently) pristine coins. As a collector, it's a very hard decision to make. At least with Coinographic it was taken for me (and only 1LTC, which was nothing back then).

Unfortunate.  There are people who have been loyal customers and because of a couple people he is deciding to screw everyone over.  As btc rises those "smaller" coins arent so small anymore and it does make the decision tough....this whole thing is wonky.  Anyone hear from grav privately since his last post on here?

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Are the 2016 Microsoul coins (0.05 silver and gilt) affected by priv key error too ?

I believe so, when I asked the below question he stated "100% all" which I took to mean all Microsoul and collaboration coins made under that brand (Cryptoimperator/Microsoul Philopsoher coin for example).


Are all coins created under the Microsoul brand affected or only certain series?

100% all. None to spare. Before december like I said I will sort out. Then we are 100% finished. If the coin was cashed out before today 31st or over 5 hours of you posting a complaint your coin is gone . Quite simple really. If its gone then I will allow the police to come raid my house and find my stuck together collectors magasine.

This affects all of his coins!

Please see my scam accusation (part 2) on his 2016 Microsoul 0.05BTC coins.
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Someone should make a google spreadsheet listing anybody who has a Microsoul coin, that they either want to redeem or get the original fiat sales value for it. Gravitate must be under immense pressure right now, whatever the rights or wrongs, and knowing who is owed what would be a fair start. You could also link to a photo in each with a hologram view and timestamped+username on a piece of paper.
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Someone should make a google spreadsheet listing anybody who has a Microsoul coin, that they either want to redeem or get the original fiat sales value for it. Gravitate must be under immense pressure right now, whatever the rights or wrongs, and knowing who is owed what would be a fair start. You could also link to a photo in each with a hologram view and timestamped+username on a piece of paper.

This is a nightmare he created.  I would say, good luck making this list because it's a real life russian roulette!  That's ironic!

There is a reason why people want the manufacturer of the coins to have a list of public addresses when they sell them.  The manufacturer should be organized enough to 1) Handle private keys securely.  2)  Manage those private keys in the utmost care (and destroying them after applying to coin).   3)  Maintain a list of public addresses (not private keys)!  Did gravitate do any of these? 
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because of a couple people he is deciding to screw everyone over.

Who are these "people" that keep being referenced as having harassed this guy into losing his marbles?

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Who are these "people" that keep being referenced as having harassed this guy into losing his marbles?
I take it that he is talking about the people who he has outright scammed, such as bitenvy: reference link.

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I must say that this is disappointing to run a business like this.  Can we at least get a full reaching guide of all the coins that we should look through our collections for that are affected by this?


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I must say that this is disappointing to run a business like this.  Can we at least get a full reaching guide of all the coins that we should look through our collections for that are affected by this?
Essentially anything by Microsoul should be considered to be unloaded/faulty unless found to be otherwise (by peeling, don't assume from other coins in the same series). Depending on who did the key generation, the same should be assumed for the CI/Microsoul collab coin.

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because of a couple people he is deciding to screw everyone over.
Who are these "people" that keep being referenced as having harassed this guy into losing his marbles?
I take it that he is talking about the people who he has outright scammed, such as bitenvy: reference link.

Yes that and a couple people here and there.  But what do you expect people to do when they buy "money" and you guve them a piece of paper with garble on it that isnt the right priv key info.  He cant claim to be the victim under those circumstances thats just common sense

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because of a couple people he is deciding to screw everyone over.

Who are these "people" that keep being referenced as having harassed this guy into losing his marbles?

I take it that he is talking about the people who he has outright scammed, such as bitenvy: reference link.

Yes that and a couple people here and there.  But what do you expect people to do when they buy "money" and you guve them a piece of paper with garble on it that isnt the right priv key info.  He cant claim to be the victim under those circumstances thats just common sense

Agreed.  It makes you wonder what other precautions aren't being taken.  bitenvy made a good point earlier...

There is a reason why people want the manufacturer of the coins to have a list of public addresses when they sell them.  The manufacturer should be organized enough to 1) Handle private keys securely.  2)  Manage those private keys in the utmost care (and destroying them after applying to coin).   3)  Maintain a list of public addresses (not private keys)!  Did gravitate do any of these?  

The writing is usually on the wall.  

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September 01, 2017, 08:44:24 PM
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Sad to hear such information. I have almost whole series Microsoul, I can not imagine to peel off my coins. I heard that the first coins (2013 or 2014 0.01) are zombie, hope that only those.

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I still have many of these coins and they are too beautiful to peel. Im going to keep them. I think the way you have gone about this to be quite foolish.
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I still have many of these coins and they are too beautiful to peel. Im going to keep them. I think the way you have gone about this to be quite foolish.

Knowing that bitcoin on them is unrecoverable makes them worth significantly less. Sadly, I doubt even the interesting history these coins have developed because of Mathews handling etc etc will ever make it worth NOT peeling then. With coins that are KNOWN to be at issue it seems to be the smarter move.
Where coin series have been shown to be good, and there were some I believe? Then yes, hold on to them unpeeled... but of course its your call.

I've chosen to redeem all that I have but maintain them in good condition once peeled.

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So if you want to preserve and protect any digital bitcoins that were supposed to be loaded...... Peel now or forever loose your bits....  He will only honor this til DEC 1, 2017.. at which time he will then vanish and move on to another scammy venture.....

This is the way I am taking this....  It is both a threat and a promise.......

Now My personal opinion....  everyone should Peel and get back any coins you can...  And Bitcoin bankrupt this mother fucking scum bag if he is going to man up and honor his mess for only two months... 

At least he is doing that much.....to correct the problem.. I have to give him that at least.... But only that...

At this point, what evidence do we have that he will actually honor his mistakes?  At least if one keeps the coin in tact, it has some collector value and a public key that shows a balance. If I peel, I have a worthless coin and a promise from a scammer/imbecile that he will make things right.

Pinging Vizique. Any updates on the coins you recently peeled? 

I could slap a public key that shows a random BTC balance on any object, doesn't make it worth more.

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Are the 2016 Microsoul coins (0.05 silver and gilt) affected by priv key error too ?
Yes.  How many times do I have to repeat this??  Read my scam accusation posted above.    Huh


So if you want to preserve and protect any digital bitcoins that were supposed to be loaded...... Peel now or forever loose your bits....  He will only honor this til DEC 1, 2017.. at which time he will then vanish and move on to another scammy venture.....

This is the way I am taking this....  It is both a threat and a promise.......

Now My personal opinion....  everyone should Peel and get back any coins you can...  And Bitcoin bankrupt this mother fucking scum bag if he is going to man up and honor his mess for only two months... 

At least he is doing that much.....to correct the problem.. I have to give him that at least.... But only that...

At this point, what evidence do we have that he will actually honor his mistakes?  At least if one keeps the coin in tact, it has some collector value and a public key that shows a balance. If I peel, I have a worthless coin and a promise from a scammer/imbecile that he will make things right.
I agree with BG4.  Peel and redeem.

He will not honor.  He has not honored mine.  And, never will.   Angry


because of a couple people he is deciding to screw everyone over.
Who are these "people" that keep being referenced as having harassed this guy into losing his marbles?
I take it that he is talking about the people who he has outright scammed, such as bitenvy: reference link.

Yes that and a couple people here and there.  But what do you expect people to do when they buy "money" and you guve them a piece of paper with garble on it that isnt the right priv key info.  He cant claim to be the victim under those circumstances thats just common sense

Because of a couple of people?   Shocked  Basically, me.  Seriously, are you blaming me for this?!?  He is to blame.  Only him.  I was only a customer and I didn't get what I purchased.  He is a scammer.   Don't put blame on me for his own mistakes.   Undecided 




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Are the 2016 Microsoul coins (0.05 silver and gilt) affected by priv key error too ?
Yes.  How many times do I have to repeat this??  Read my scam accusation posted above.    Huh


So if you want to preserve and protect any digital bitcoins that were supposed to be loaded...... Peel now or forever loose your bits....  He will only honor this til DEC 1, 2017.. at which time he will then vanish and move on to another scammy venture.....

This is the way I am taking this....  It is both a threat and a promise.......

Now My personal opinion....  everyone should Peel and get back any coins you can...  And Bitcoin bankrupt this mother fucking scum bag if he is going to man up and honor his mess for only two months... 

At least he is doing that much.....to correct the problem.. I have to give him that at least.... But only that...

At this point, what evidence do we have that he will actually honor his mistakes?  At least if one keeps the coin in tact, it has some collector value and a public key that shows a balance. If I peel, I have a worthless coin and a promise from a scammer/imbecile that he will make things right.
I agree with BG4.  Peel and redeem.

He will not honor.  He has not honored mine.  And, never will.   Angry


because of a couple people he is deciding to screw everyone over.
Who are these "people" that keep being referenced as having harassed this guy into losing his marbles?
I take it that he is talking about the people who he has outright scammed, such as bitenvy: reference link.

Yes that and a couple people here and there.  But what do you expect people to do when they buy "money" and you guve them a piece of paper with garble on it that isnt the right priv key info.  He cant claim to be the victim under those circumstances thats just common sense

Because of a couple of people?   Shocked  Basically, me.  Seriously, are you blaming me for this?!?  He is to blame.  Only him.  I was only a customer and I didn't get what I purchased.  He is a scammer.   Don't put blame on me for his own mistakes.   Undecided 






Dont take my words out of context i am on your side.  All i was saying is that he is doing this cause a couple people got on his case (and rightfully so) id be hellbent if my loaded coins were found to have no coin on them.  If you read all my comments i am dissapointed he is doing this entire sharade over being hassled by people who have 100% right to hassle him.  Its not like people randomly are harassing him.  Either way i hope you get your dough back even if its just the loaded amount.

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Are the 2016 Microsoul coins (0.05 silver and gilt) affected by priv key error too ?
Yes.  How many times do I have to repeat this??  Read my scam accusation posted above.    Huh


Sry, I read your scam accusation. I've the same coins, graded, thinking about redeem them hurts me a little...

I would understand if a coin maker does some minor mistakes like funding a coin with delay etc, if he sells hundreds or thousands coins, but there is just too much problems with Microsouls coins, and huge problems like priv key errors, the way gravitate handles them is not professional, this is innaceptable.


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An update?

I'd like to take you up on your offer and get all of these coins redeemed now.

Cheers
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Which coin was the CI/Microsoul collaboration?

Either the CI halving or unchained?

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Which coin was the CI/Microsoul collaboration?

Either the CI halving or unchained?

It was the Philosopher's coin.
There were a total of 20 coins minted.... 10 of them were assembled by CI, 10 of them were assembled by MS.
As far as I know, there was only 1 of the coins funded and that was the one MS that Bitenvy had.

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Oh bummer... It was tough to do but I just peeled three of my 2014 0.01 coins.  All three have zero BTC.  Two of the private keys were for different bitcoin addresses and one was completely invalid.  Naturally the addresses with the first bits still have 0.01 BTC on them.   

I did peel one of my 2013 0.01 coins.  The private key did match the public address.  I'm going to keep the rest of my 2013s hoping they are funded (but not banking on it).

I will assume all my 2014s are worthless.  We'll see if Gravitate honors the 0.10 he owes me....I'll ignore the BCH.  I'll peel them all or send them back to him too...either way is fine with me.  Not holding my breath though.  Thankfully I only have ten of the 2013s and 2014s.
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I peeled 3 of the Lucky coins....
Each private key was able to generate at least 5 different addresses

I also peeled 2x 2013 coins.... private keys did not match hologram addresses nor did the alternate addresses contain any BTC balance.....

Well done gravitate.... you fucked us all pretty good.....  bravo

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I really hope he can come back and address the users who I've assumed PM'ed him since he started this thread.

Very sad to hear dumbchump and MJ.   Cry

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At what point do mistakes turn into a scam?
Private keys not matching isn't something to be taken lightly...

Keeping in mind that there aren't any back-ups, so those funds are non-retrievable. (Or so gravitate can claim.)




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this is the ultimate long con.. create coins with little value at the time, fuck up a few times then try to wash hands...

I wouldnt be surprised if all the coins get swept within a few months.

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OK, so it looks like we've been screwed.

So Mathew, going to come here and pay at the address supplied? Or do I come to you?

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September 05, 2017, 06:32:33 PM
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this is the ultimate long con.. create coins with little value at the time, fuck up a few times then try to wash hands...

I wouldnt be surprised if all the coins get swept within a few months.


So it could be possible,. That the public addresses were intentionally not the same as the private keys in hopes to not have anyone peel the coins. So when people fine out, play stupid and just repay the people .....   Hence ... The Long Con..
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So it could be possible,. That the public addresses were intentionally not the same as the private keys in hopes to not have anyone peel the coins. So when people fine out, play stupid and just repay the people .....   Hence ... The Long Con..

Yes, and with the small amounts (0.01 - 0.05) who would want to peel them anyway?

And those who do find out would definitely contact Gravitate first.
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I have had all the Microsoul coins I have graded which is adding to the investment made over face value

So am I to crack anacs slabs, peel coins and then what...

If they are empty, I have ruined a coin for nothing, and haven't seen anyone who has got an empty coin getting their funds

If they aren't empty I have needlessly ruined a coin (if they were going to be swept wouldn't they have already?)

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I have had all the Microsoul coins I have graded which is adding to the investment made over face value

So am I to crack anacs slabs, peel coins and then what...

If they are empty, I have ruined a coin for nothing, and haven't seen anyone who has got an empty coin getting their funds

If they aren't empty I have needlessly ruined a coin (if they were going to be swept wouldn't they have already?)

This is such a mess



Yeah this would be a good time for gravitate to chime in here.  Vizique seems to have done everything that was asked to get a refund and hasnt gotten any response it seems.  Bad position because if you do crack them like you said, then what....

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I have had all the Microsoul coins I have graded which is adding to the investment made over face value

So am I to crack anacs slabs, peel coins and then what...

If they are empty, I have ruined a coin for nothing, and haven't seen anyone who has got an empty coin getting their funds

If they aren't empty I have needlessly ruined a coin (if they were going to be swept wouldn't they have already?)

This is such a mess



If it we're me , I would not crack open a graded coin unless you have it sent back to be reslabbed and the title changed to something that reflects that the coins were nothing but a scam?Huh
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I was able to generate numerous public addresses from a single private key due to the way they were generated....

What exactly did you mean by this statement?

A private key is just a random 256 bit number.  A private key maps to exactly one point on the specified secp256K1 elliptic curve.  The point on the curve can be expressed in only two ways:  the full form with the full x and y coordinates of the point and the short form with just the x coordinate and a sign bit.

Then these two forms of the point can be encoded into exactly two different Bitcoin addresses.

Are you saying you found a way to get more than the two possible Bitcoin addresses from your private key?

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I was able to generate numerous public addresses from a single private key due to the way they were generated....

What exactly did you mean by this statement?

A private key is just a random 256 bit number.  A private key maps to exactly one point on the specified secp256K1 elliptic curve.  The point on the curve can be expressed in only two ways:  the full form with the full x and y coordinates of the point and the short form with just the x coordinate and a sign bit.

Then these two forms of the point can be encoded into exactly two different Bitcoin addresses.

Are you saying you found a way to get more than the two possible Bitcoin addresses from your private key?


There are 4 options for public keys
Public key
Public key compressed
Public address
Public address compressed

There are 5 private key options

Private key WIF
Privatekey WIF compresses
Private key Hexadecimal
Private key base64
Private key BIP38

All from 1 random 256 bit number
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I was able to generate numerous public addresses from a single private key due to the way they were generated....

What exactly did you mean by this statement?

A private key is just a random 256 bit number.  A private key maps to exactly one point on the specified secp256K1 elliptic curve.  The point on the curve can be expressed in only two ways:  the full form with the full x and y coordinates of the point and the short form with just the x coordinate and a sign bit.

Then these two forms of the point can be encoded into exactly two different Bitcoin addresses.

Are you saying you found a way to get more than the two possible Bitcoin addresses from your private key?


There are 4 options for public keys
Public key
Public key compressed
Public address
Public address compressed

There are 5 private key options

Private key WIF
Privatekey WIF compresses
Private key Hexadecimal
Private key base64
Private key BIP38

All from 1 random 256 bit number

These:

Private key WIF
Privatekey WIF compresses
Private key Hexadecimal
Private key base64
Private key BIP38

are just forms of private keys.  A single private key (a 256 bit random number) can be stored/transported/encoded in one of these forms.

These:

Public key
Public key compressed

Are the two forms of public keys.  A single public key (a single point on the elliptic curve) can be stored/transported/encoded in one of these forms.

These:

Public address
Public address compressed

Are the two forms of Bitcoin addresses that correspond to the two forms of public key above.  A bitcoin address is the check summed triple hash of the corresponding public key.  They do not represent new forms of public keys.  They are hashes of public keys.

In other words:

The private key on the coin will be stored on the coin in exactly one and only one of these forms:

Private key WIF
Privatekey WIF compresses
Private key Hexadecimal
Private key base64
Private key BIP38

You need to decode the private key in the correct form.  There will be only one correct choice.

Then from that one private key you can generate exactly two different forms of the one public key:  compressed or uncompressed.

From these two forms of the one public key you will get exactly two forms of the Bitcoin address.  The compressed public key form will give you the compressed Bitcoin address form and the uncompressed public key form will give you the uncompressed Bitcoin address form.

One private key -> one public key -> two public key forms -> two bitcoin address forms.

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I was able to generate numerous public addresses from a single private key due to the way they were generated....

What exactly did you mean by this statement?

A private key is just a random 256 bit number.  A private key maps to exactly one point on the specified secp256K1 elliptic curve.  The point on the curve can be expressed in only two ways:  the full form with the full x and y coordinates of the point and the short form with just the x coordinate and a sign bit.

Then these two forms of the point can be encoded into exactly two different Bitcoin addresses.

Are you saying you found a way to get more than the two possible Bitcoin addresses from your private key?


There are 4 options for public keys
Public key
Public key compressed
Public address
Public address compressed

There are 5 private key options

Private key WIF
Privatekey WIF compresses
Private key Hexadecimal
Private key base64
Private key BIP38

All from 1 random 256 bit number

These:

Private key WIF
Privatekey WIF compresses
Private key Hexadecimal
Private key base64
Private key BIP38

are just forms of private keys.  A single private key (a 256 bit random number) can be stored/transported/encoded in one of these forms.

These:

Public key
Public key compressed

Are the two forms of public keys.  A single public key (a single point on the elliptic curve) can be stored/transported/encoded in one of these forms.

These:

Public address
Public address compressed

Are the two forms of Bitcoin addresses that correspond to the two forms of public key above.  A bitcoin address is the check summed triple hash of the corresponding public key.  They do not represent new forms of public keys.  They are hashes of public keys.

In other words:

The private key on the coin will be stored on the coin in exactly one and only one of these forms:

Private key WIF
Privatekey WIF compresses
Private key Hexadecimal
Private key base64
Private key BIP38

You need to decode the private key in the correct form.  There will be only one correct choice.

Then from that one private key you can generate exactly two different forms of the one public key:  compressed or uncompressed.

From these two forms of the one public key you will get exactly two forms of the Bitcoin address.  The compressed public key form will give you the compressed Bitcoin address form and the uncompressed public key form will give you the uncompressed Bitcoin address form.

One private key -> one public key -> two public key forms -> two bitcoin address forms.

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I peeled 3 of the Lucky coins....
Not 1 of them had the 0.01BTC on it.... not 1 address matched to what was supposed to be on there.
Each private key was able to generate at least 5 different addresses and none of them matched to what was supposed to be on the coin.....

I also peeled 2x 2013 coins.... private keys did not match hologram addresses nor did the alternate addresses contain any BTC balance.....

Well done gravitate.... you fucked us all pretty good.....  bravo

I remember redeeming my 0.01 a while back.   You may want to try either using a magnifying glass or enlarging a high res photo.    In the font used a lot of characters looked the same.    Im not saying your coins arent empty, because it appears a lot of them have been, but at $45 a pop, it's worth a shot.

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This picture clearly shows that the private key starts with a 5 and that is followed by letters and numbers.  This means that the private key is (probably) in the "Wallet Import Format".  This means that the key is base 58 encoded.  This means that the only allowed characters are the following 58 characters:

     123456789ABCDEFGHJKLMNPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijkmnopqrstuvwxyz

Notice that 0 (zero), O (the capital letter O), I (the capital letter I), and l (the small letter l) are all missing.  So your private key will not contain those characters.  Also there is a checksum in the WIP format so if you type the private key into a good private key decoder it will immediately be able to tell if there is an error because the check sum will fail.

Obviously if you see any of the illegal characters then transpose them to legal characters "0" and "O" to "o" for example then try again.  

Assuming you get a good checksum you will then have a valid WIP encoded private key.

Since the encoded private key starts with a 5 it should correspond to an uncompressed public key.  However since there were some issues in the key pair generation and encoding just try both the compressed and uncompressed forms of the public key to form the Bitcoin address.  Does not hurt to try.

The private key you get can give you two different Bitcoin addresses as I stated above.  First try the correct version, the uncompressed version
 (since the private key started with a 5).  If that does not work then with some contortions you can calculate the compressed version of the same public key and the corresponding Bitcoin address. If neither of those is the correct Bitcoin address on the coin then you are out of luck.

Reference:  

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Wallet_import_format

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Is this picture from a PBC coin? Try this,

1. write it out in reverse (bottom right- left) (middle right- left)(top right-left)
2. add a 5 on the front
3. Swap the the last 2 digits
4. Swap the 15th digit with the last digit
This is your private key
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I was able to generate numerous public addresses from a single private key due to the way they were generated....

What exactly did you mean by this statement?

A private key is just a random 256 bit number.  A private key maps to exactly one point on the specified secp256K1 elliptic curve.  The point on the curve can be expressed in only two ways:  the full form with the full x and y coordinates of the point and the short form with just the x coordinate and a sign bit.

Then these two forms of the point can be encoded into exactly two different Bitcoin addresses.

Are you saying you found a way to get more than the two possible Bitcoin addresses from your private key?

This is exactly what I am "saying"

Here is private key from Lucky 5.6 coin



Now, here is the correct address and private key:

13DQcF6FwiqNqzN38CP5Ux6KqpfHYv4VCe  /  L4iBNP5mEeoYznpS4Mhwe5ruZTmWWyitK5TyCvrqB7nHd8Yv3L6F

It did have the 0.01BTC as seen here: https://blockchain.info/address/13DQcF6FwiqNqzN38CP5Ux6KqpfHYv4VCe

BUT, shortening the private key at different lengths gave 4 more addresses.

I did this using the blockchain.info wallet import feature

19wcxrL5izN65SqBDaYoXjCuSFRgWPwfxJ  /     L4iBNP5mEeoYznpS4Mhwe5ruZTmWWyitK5TyCvrq
16p1DSBSrhjjtdeKHZJwBuK1Zw4McyEnmw  /  L4iBNP5mEeoYznpS4Mhwe5ruZTmWWyitK5TyCvrqB
1CXRnWL5YNJJT1fERi3YcBb1fcJmEBehTn  /     L4iBNP5mEeoYznpS4Mhwe5ruZTmWWyitK5TyCvrqB7
1KzPnXmb2q32frsXAPxpj9UBNLXRBdKmb2  /   L4iBNP5mEeoYznpS4Mhwe5ruZTmWWyitK5TyCvrqB7n

I was able to duplicate this process in my #4.5 and 3.2 Lucky coins as well

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I do not know what the heck blockchain.info is doing with the improperly formatted private keys you are entering there but using the "WIF checksum checking" dialog on this page:

http://gobittest.appspot.com/PrivateKey

We find:

L4iBNP5mEeoYznpS4Mhwe5ruZTmWWyitK5TyCvrqB7nHd8Yv3L6F has a valid check sum (2767919C)

L4iBNP5mEeoYznpS4Mhwe5ruZTmWWyitK5TyCvrq
L4iBNP5mEeoYznpS4Mhwe5ruZTmWWyitK5TyCvrqB
L4iBNP5mEeoYznpS4Mhwe5ruZTmWWyitK5TyCvrqB7
L4iBNP5mEeoYznpS4Mhwe5ruZTmWWyitK5TyCvrqB7n

all fail the checksum test as is expected.  All of these should have been rejected as they are not properly formated WIF private keys.

BTW since this starts with an "L" you should use the compressed public key format and the corresponding compressed version of the Bitcoin address, which you did.

ALSO I found that if you use the "Wallet Detail" tab here:

https://www.bitaddress.org/bitaddress.org-v2.4-SHA1-1d5951f6a04dd5a287ac925da4e626870ee58d60.html

It will give you both the compressed and uncompressed bitcoin addresses, which in your case are:

13DQcF6FwiqNqzN38CP5Ux6KqpfHYv4VCe  (compressed)
12X1rVtFnzYAZKskBakfAZYPF4HeqkgUSq   (uncompressed)

And it properly rejects all the incorrectly formatted keys you generated by hacking off the tail of the WIF formatted key.

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Is this picture from a PBC coin? Try this,

1. write it out in reverse (bottom right- left) (middle right- left)(top right-left)
2. add a 5 on the front
3. Swap the the last 2 digits
4. Swap the 15th digit with the last digit
This is your private key

WTF?  Are you serious?  Where did you get that?  Did he screw up printing the private key like that on purpose or by accident?

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Is this picture from a PBC coin? Try this,

1. write it out in reverse (bottom right- left) (middle right- left)(top right-left)
2. add a 5 on the front
3. Swap the the last 2 digits
4. Swap the 15th digit with the last digit
This is your private key

WTF?  Are you serious?  Where did you get that?  Did he screw up printing the private key like that on purpose or by accident?

Yup, on purpose. At least for the specific number I bought this is what I was told would work. I never tried it but it's worth a shot to anyone trying to redeem these coins.  

Edit: Can anyone confirm receiving similar instructions from gravitate? Please post any variations.
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Is this picture from a PBC coin? Try this,

1. write it out in reverse (bottom right- left) (middle right- left)(top right-left)
2. add a 5 on the front
3. Swap the the last 2 digits
4. Swap the 15th digit with the last digit
This is your private key

WTF?  Are you serious?  Where did you get that?  Did he screw up printing the private key like that on purpose or by accident?

Yup, on purpose. At least for the specific number I bought this is what I was told would work. I never tried it but it's worth a shot to anyone trying to redeem these coins. 

Holy hell, what?  So he turned the key into a puzzle?  What kind of wizardry is that.  Are you serious?

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Is this picture from a PBC coin? Try this,

1. write it out in reverse (bottom right- left) (middle right- left)(top right-left)
2. add a 5 on the front
3. Swap the the last 2 digits
4. Swap the 15th digit with the last digit
This is your private key

WTF?  Are you serious?  Where did you get that?  Did he screw up printing the private key like that on purpose or by accident?

Yup, on purpose. At least for the specific number I bought this is what I was told would work. I never tried it but it's worth a shot to anyone trying to redeem these coins.  

Holy hell, what?  So he turned the key into a puzzle?  What kind of wizardry is that.  Are you serious?

BHcoin did something kind of similar on their CoA cards. This is for the original PBC coins.

Edit: It didn't seem that weird at the time. If someone stole your coin, they couldn't access the private key without the cipher is what I thought was going on. 
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Is this picture from a PBC coin? Try this,

1. write it out in reverse (bottom right- left) (middle right- left)(top right-left)
2. add a 5 on the front
3. Swap the the last 2 digits
4. Swap the 15th digit with the last digit
This is your private key

WTF?  Are you serious?  Where did you get that?  Did he screw up printing the private key like that on purpose or by accident?

Yup, on purpose. At least for the specific number I bought this is what I was told would work. I never tried it but it's worth a shot to anyone trying to redeem these coins.  

Edit: Can anyone confirm receiving similar instructions from gravitate? Please post any variations.

Nope, never received any of this regarding privkeys. I redeemed several 0.01 coins in the time Clam got popular, all private keys imported in the bitcoin-qt without any problem. Also importered some on blockchain.info without any problem.

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Is this picture from a PBC coin? Try this,

1. write it out in reverse (bottom right- left) (middle right- left)(top right-left)
2. add a 5 on the front
3. Swap the the last 2 digits
4. Swap the 15th digit with the last digit
This is your private key

WTF?  Are you serious?  Where did you get that?  Did he screw up printing the private key like that on purpose or by accident?

Yup, on purpose. At least for the specific number I bought this is what I was told would work. I never tried it but it's worth a shot to anyone trying to redeem these coins.  

Holy hell, what?  So he turned the key into a puzzle?  What kind of wizardry is that.  Are you serious?

BHcoin did something kind of similar on their CoA cards. This is for the original PBC coins.

Edit: It didn't seem that weird at the time. If someone stole your coin, they couldn't access the private key without the cipher is what I thought was going on. 

I dont get it.  Who would want a key pair that is intentionally scrambled for funded coins or unfunded.  Is that publically know for the microsoul coins?  I feel like i missed the memo or something.

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Is this picture from a PBC coin? Try this,

1. write it out in reverse (bottom right- left) (middle right- left)(top right-left)
2. add a 5 on the front
3. Swap the the last 2 digits
4. Swap the 15th digit with the last digit
This is your private key

WTF?  Are you serious?  Where did you get that?  Did he screw up printing the private key like that on purpose or by accident?

Yup, on purpose. At least for the specific number I bought this is what I was told would work. I never tried it but it's worth a shot to anyone trying to redeem these coins.  

Holy hell, what?  So he turned the key into a puzzle?  What kind of wizardry is that.  Are you serious?

BHcoin did something kind of similar on their CoA cards. This is for the original PBC coins.

Edit: It didn't seem that weird at the time. If someone stole your coin, they couldn't access the private key without the cipher is what I thought was going on. 

I dont get it.  Who would want a key pair that is intentionally scrambled for funded coins or unfunded.  Is that publically know for the microsoul coins?  I feel like i missed the memo or something.

Maybe Gravitate screwed up the PBC coin keys and he sent this out with them instead of redoing them. I think there were only a handful of the original coins sold. I trust the person who gave me that cipher and they bought the coin directly from gravitate early on.
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This just gets wierder as we go along

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Is this picture from a PBC coin? Try this,

1. write it out in reverse (bottom right- left) (middle right- left)(top right-left)
2. add a 5 on the front
3. Swap the the last 2 digits
4. Swap the 15th digit with the last digit
This is your private key

I don't have the exact sequence but this sounds about what gravitate told me for a funded 1B PBC coin. 

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Is this picture from a PBC coin? Try this,

1. write it out in reverse (bottom right- left) (middle right- left)(top right-left)
2. add a 5 on the front
3. Swap the the last 2 digits
4. Swap the 15th digit with the last digit
This is your private key

I don't have the exact sequence but this sounds about what gravitate told me for a funded 1B PBC coin. 

Thanks for the confirmation. The dark background under the holo in vizique's image made me think it might be from a PBC coin. Vizique, I hope this helps recover your BTC.
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what now?

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Each PBC coin had a different set of instructions for what you needed to do

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 "Make the Private Key a puzzle"....

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This has to be turning into the most insane scam thread ever. If Gravitate ever comes back (Not holding my breath), I would expect nothing but bullshit as always.

Anyhow, on that note, I want to apologize to anybody here I ever resold those shitty ass scam coins to. I feel dirty right now. Fuck you gravitate, you are now a real scammer.  Embarrassed

Edit - can we get this moved to scam accusations? Cyrus? .... Tongue

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#126

Each PBC coin had a different set of instructions for what you needed to do
That is insane.

So, anyone who bought the coins on the secondary market better have known to get the unique instructions to cache in that specific coin?

If you do not have those unique instructions for that coin then you have to go back to the person you bought it from and try to get them.

Hopefully most of the people with these "puzzle" coins have the instructions with the coin.

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Does anyone have his full Dox?

To me he has issues, he has 0 client service skills and is lacking in organisation and technical skills.

This happens to RL businesses all the time, he needs assistance and not an attack from the community, maybe a sit down with someone who can help him out and sort the issue.

either that or he is a total scammer and needs a good kicking. Either or I think Dox might be a step towards helping the community...

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September 07, 2017, 11:51:16 AM
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Each PBC coin had a different set of instructions for what you needed to do

I bought a PBC coin and redeemed it successfully a couple of years ago. I'm trying to remember what I was told as there was a little process to go through but it wasn't as complicated as the one listed. The private key printed on the coin starts with a K. I must have written the process down somewhere so I'll dig around.


Does anyone have his full Dox?

He used to have a scan of his passport on his website. He certainly looked after me when I bought from him so it's a shame it's all gone tits up.


Edit - I wrote the correct private key down too. With my PBC coin I had to add a 5 to the front and reverse the final two letters of what was printed on the coin.

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Okay, this site https://coinfirm.org/product/pbc-coin provides a brief history and talks about the cipher process for the PBC coins. It sounds like Gravitate probably has a master list of these codes.
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Okay, this site https://coinfirm.org/product/pbc-coin provides a brief history and talks about the cipher process for the PBC coins. It sounds like Gravitate probably has a master list of these codes.

At some point in time I'm sure that was true but as the countdown to the two month deadline closes, this becomes a much slimmer chance.  He stated there were technical issues surrounding his digital components (hard drive/laptop/etc.) so I would have to assume all details are currently lost.

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waiting for a response ...

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Okay, this site https://coinfirm.org/product/pbc-coin provides a brief history and talks about the cipher process for the PBC coins. It sounds like Gravitate probably has a master list of these codes.

At some point in time I'm sure that was true but as the countdown to the two month deadline closes, this becomes a much slimmer chance.  He stated there were technical issues surrounding his digital components (hard drive/laptop/etc.) so I would have to assume all details are currently lost.

And with the lack of responses now i would assume that when he said 2 months he meant, sorry you guys are all screwed.

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At some point in time I'm sure that was true but as the countdown to the two month deadline closes, this becomes a much slimmer chance.  He stated there were technical issues surrounding his digital components (hard drive/laptop/etc.) so I would have to assume all details are currently lost.

Somebody in that line of work wouldn't have the gumption to back them up? You can obtain a hard disk or another laptop for a heady fifty bucks.

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I was scammed as well as everyone else here. Imagine having to go through life always looking over your shoulder, never knowing when its coming.  No thanks.. I learned my lesson in - BTC. How could he possibly relax? Think about it..  Huh
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Okay, this site https://coinfirm.org/product/pbc-coin provides a brief history and talks about the cipher process for the PBC coins. It sounds like Gravitate probably has a master list of these codes.

At some point in time I'm sure that was true but as the countdown to the two month deadline closes, this becomes a much slimmer chance.  He stated there were technical issues surrounding his digital components (hard drive/laptop/etc.) so I would have to assume all details are currently lost.

And with the lack of responses now i would assume that when he said 2 months he meant, sorry you guys are all screwed.

But you cant hide forever and I'm a very patient man......

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And with the lack of responses now i would assume that when he said 2 months he meant, sorry you guys are all screwed.

But you cant hide forever and I'm a very patient man......

This article has his full name if that's of any help, but I'm pretty sure I've heard it before, so I know it can't be some big secret. Roll Eyes

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/microsoul-physical-bitcoins-everyone/

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Has anyone contacted the authorities yet???  I haven't....  I'm in the US....so I call and say someone from France sent me some funded bitcoins that are actually not funded.... yeah, that would be a fun conversation.... "bitcoins are online...I heard about those...what do you mean he sold you actual coins?"  "The hologram acts as a wallet?"    Uggg.

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Each PBC coin had a different set of instructions for what you needed to do

I bought a PBC coin and redeemed it successfully a couple of years ago. I'm trying to remember what I was told as there was a little process to go through but it wasn't as complicated as the one listed. The private key printed on the coin starts with a K. I must have written the process down somewhere so I'll dig around.


Does anyone have his full Dox?

He used to have a scan of his passport on his website. He certainly looked after me when I bought from him so it's a shame it's all gone tits up.


Edit - I wrote the correct private key down too. With my PBC coin I had to add a 5 to the front and reverse the final two letters of what was printed on the coin.

It was like this for me as well - it wasn't a complicated transformation or anything, it was just reversing a couple letters. Unfortunately, he either didn't send me the instructions with the coin (bought directly from him), or they weren't quite right, I don't remember -- regardless, I had to contact him to get the correct redemption instructions.

In his favor, he was very helpful and did help me redeem the 1 BTC PBC coin. But of course then I was glad I'd redeemed it, because if I'd sold it to someone else and then it had been unredeemable, and he'd been unreachable... the blood runs cold with terror.

And now that's where we're at all over again. I've re-sold a few low-denomination Microsoul coins. Are these people going to be knocking at my door in a few years when BTC hits $100k, and somehow I'm on the hook now? Thanks, gravitate.




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OK, lets bring this forward...

Matthew, here's your chance, as you yourself said you would, to make me whole on my coins.

You claim to be "a good guy" .. .well lets see that in action and you close this complaint down with some modicum of professionalism.

Pay me the BTC that was "supposed" to be on my coins and we'll call it a closed deal....

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I'm just not so sure why he chose to even make this thread if he wasn't going to respond or follow through.  What is the point?

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I'm just not so sure why he chose to even make this thread if he wasn't going to respond or follow through.  What is the point?

It's a long con. He keeps dragging everything out forever. Classic scammer... Roll Eyes

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September 09, 2017, 11:39:03 AM
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Hi All if you keep a list of all missing here I will return 23rd of this Month and will pay everyone back. My replacement Mac book has arrived but I will be traveling to then. Same for PM's I will answer all then. Thanks for your patience with this and I am not just dragging it out. Until I get the register I literally can not do anything.

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September 11, 2017, 11:36:45 PM
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Hi All if you keep a list of all missing here I will return 23rd of this Month and will pay everyone back. My replacement Mac book has arrived but I will be traveling to then. Same for PM's I will answer all then. Thanks for your patience with this and I am not just dragging it out. Until I get the register I literally can not do anything.

Why would you need a register to repay the BTC you already acknowledged you own me ?  Just curious..  Huh
Would you like my payment address Matt ? It's been over a year now...
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September 13, 2017, 04:14:37 PM
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Whole thread screams "audit your manufacturer & his method before you buy"

Sorry for your lost gents.
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September 13, 2017, 05:05:45 PM
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Whole thread screams "audit your manufacturer & his method before you buy"

Sorry for your lost gents.

Your whole post screams "I'm late to the party but just want to chip in some trivial input". Microsoul has been around since 2013, these issues have only been realised (in bulk) during 2017. Unless you physically demand to be part of the minting and hologram generation process, good luck with that, you're just working on trust with any coin manufacturer. What other pearls of wisdom can you bestow upon us?
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September 13, 2017, 07:56:40 PM
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Pretty certain I have some microsoul coins, will have to dig them out.  Huh
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September 13, 2017, 11:36:00 PM
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Pretty certain I have some microsoul coins, will have to dig them out.  Huh

Don't think it matters much but this goes to show not everyone who owns microsoul coins visit here often enough to get the 2 month warning...I mean contract from gravitate.  Piss poor way to handle it as I'm sure many will be bought and sold on ebay with zero knowledge about this one thread that "clears" gravitate from any wrong doing after the 2 month period is over... Undecided

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September 23, 2017, 10:36:01 PM
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Bah, was in a conversation with Matt then had to go out unexpectedly.

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September 24, 2017, 01:44:17 AM
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Bah, was in a conversation with Matt then had to go out unexpectedly.

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September 24, 2017, 08:48:07 AM
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What I was planning on doing is listing all the problems I EVER had with coins so then coin holders can make a decision to peel or not. But all this exit scam stuff. Well guess that makes not much difference now.

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September 24, 2017, 08:54:33 AM
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Also as promised I started refunding people last night and today. But Viz wanted me to refund an unpeeled coin,. I cant do that. I refunded the peeled one but doing it for an unpeeled one is a bit unfair.

The problem he had there was one of the zombie coins.

And look in realistic terms I am not disappearing. But I will not be as reachable as usual so its best people consider peeling them now and I will also send some holograms so they can keep the coins as DIY.

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