Sixth alt coin thread I forgot to mod last thread.

[philipma1957]

[...]
I finally setup a youtube account

3 films on the avalon 741

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkI7lEe6krs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlmGTYCPxAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONCJYCIqdG4

Finally! You got your 5th subscriber, Phil! Great video quality by the way.

Speaking of new vs slightly used Avalons... I usually can tell how well (or for how long) some piece of electronics was used by smelling the exhaust air. If it has a fan, the electronics aroma dissipates in a few weeks/months of 24/7 usage, especially when it's getting hot. It's like the new car smell. Plastics, adhesives, soldering flux and all the other good stuff.

For example, I can tell that roughly half of the 2400W Deltas I received from Parallel were very well used since they didn't give off any flavors whatsoever. A few were brand new and a couple appeared only slightly used. Two 750W HP PSUs from them were brand new. After sitting for a month at 50% load in my garage, the new ones don't smell anymore...

-scsi

  That  is a 100 dollar camera on ebay  does  1080p up to 9 minutes and 59 seconds.  It is a Canon PowerShot ELPH 300hs


https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2380580,00.asp

here is a used one on ebay

https://www.ebay.com/p/Canon-PowerShot-ELPH-300-HS-IXUS-220-HS-12-1MP-Digital-Camera-Black/100107879?iid=142520240057

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[jt00]

I hope that somebody makes one with ample enough spacing to run a full 6-8 higher wattage GPUs, such as GTX 1080 Ti, Rx Vega etc.

Looks like your prayers were answered :

Colorful recently launched a 8 GPU motherboard, similar to the boards in the Pandaminer and clones.

https://i.imgur.com/CElIdBg.jpg

Where is/will be the best place to buy Colorful Motherboards?  When will the 8 GPU riser-less mobo be released to the public?

[Spotswood]

Anyways, I think focusing on the riserless mobos is better strategy moving forward. Save money on unreliable risers, better heat control and lessen OS compatibility issues.

Which begs the question, how is your progress with the Onda board?  

As always, thanks in advance for any updates  

I am out of town but cant wait to get back home to work on those boards.

I had limited testing on the board but looks like is working - but MingMining found some kinks on 1st and 2nd GPU slots -- I think there is a special setting on the BIOS to make it work.

I sent a unit to Philip too - I hope it reaches him soon. He can do a more detailed review.

waiting very patiently for it.

I prepped this psu.

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/rmx-series-rm1000x-1000-watt-80-plus-gold-certified-fully-modular-psu



I have  

1x 24pin cable
1x cpu cable
5x pcie cables  all  2 headed 8 pin
3x sata cables
3x molex cables

I finally setup a youtube account

3 films on the avalon 741

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkI7lEe6krs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlmGTYCPxAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONCJYCIqdG4

Do you think its appropriate to use a standard ATX PSU for the Onda board or will a server PSU along w a pico be the recommendation?

[SCSI2]

[...]That  is a 100 dollar camera on ebay  does  1080p up to 9 minutes and 59 seconds.  It is a Canon PowerShot ELPH 300hs

https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2380580,00.asp

Yep. I love those little Canon Elphs. Still have a 15-year old ELPH 100 and bought a 110HS five years ago just because it does make great 1080p for a pocket toy PS camera. Guess it's time to upgrade again...

Speaking of upgrades. Here's what FedEx Santa just left at my door a few minutes ago.

It's a 66lbs box worth of eight 30A 250V PDUs. Eight C13 outlets per unit. Fully manageable. Switched and Metered per outlet. It even measures Power Factor per outlet. Top of the line model from BayTech: http://www.baytech.net/product/mmp-modular/.

Some IT recycling company from Texas has listed them as Baytec (with no h) and got no hits on ebay for $100 e.a. shipped. I talked them into selling them for $55 e.a. shipped in US. Best thing for you guys is that they still have two units left (while supplies last hehe): https://www.theitmart.com/category/power-supplies/39845/mmp101-baytec-mmp-8-outlets-8-x-iec-60320-c13-1u-horizontal-rackmount-pdu



And a quick peek inside.

[philipma1957]

Anyways, I think focusing on the riserless mobos is better strategy moving forward. Save money on unreliable risers, better heat control and lessen OS compatibility issues.

Which begs the question, how is your progress with the Onda board?  

As always, thanks in advance for any updates  

I am out of town but cant wait to get back home to work on those boards.

I had limited testing on the board but looks like is working - but MingMining found some kinks on 1st and 2nd GPU slots -- I think there is a special setting on the BIOS to make it work.

I sent a unit to Philip too - I hope it reaches him soon. He can do a more detailed review.

waiting very patiently for it.

I prepped this psu.

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/rmx-series-rm1000x-1000-watt-80-plus-gold-certified-fully-modular-psu



I have  

1x 24pin cable
1x cpu cable
5x pcie cables  all  2 headed 8 pin
3x sata cables
3x molex cables

I finally setup a youtube account

3 films on the avalon 741

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkI7lEe6krs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlmGTYCPxAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONCJYCIqdG4

Do you think its appropriate to use a standard ATX PSU for the Onda board or will a server PSU along w a pico be the recommendation?

Tough call  the onda  needs six power inputs  3 sata and 3 molex.  So first test will be with exactly that.  

that  atx psu has six separate cables.  

3  sata  3 molex

it also has 5x 2 head pcie cables

and it can put out 1000 watts at the wall  for months on end.

I am afraid  to try a server with a pico  until I test it with an atx.
once I do that  I have adapters  that go pcie to molex and pcie to sata.

I just had a cross wired pcie cable come from parallel miners.  to be fair it would be 1 of 80  done wrong.  

but if I use that pcie to a molex and power this board  I think I go boom.

I want to be careful on the test build

[...]That  is a 100 dollar camera on ebay  does  1080p up to 9 minutes and 59 seconds.  It is a Canon PowerShot ELPH 300hs

https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2380580,00.asp

Yep. I love those little Canon Elphs. Still have a 15-year old ELPH 100 and bought a 110HS five years ago just because it does make great 1080p for a pocket toy PS camera. Guess it's time to upgrade again...

Speaking of upgrades. Here's what FedEx Santa just left at my door a few minutes ago.

It's a 66lbs box worth of eight 30A 250V PDUs. Eight C13 outlets per unit. Fully manageable. Switched and Metered per outlet. It even measures Power Factor per outlet. Top of the line model from BayTech: http://www.baytech.net/product/mmp-modular/.

Some IT recycling company from Texas has listed them as Baytec (with no h) and got no hits on ebay for $100 e.a. shipped. I talked them into selling them for $55 e.a. shipped in US. Best thing for you guys is that they still have two units left (while supplies last hehe): https://www.theitmart.com/category/power-supplies/39845/mmp101-baytec-mmp-8-outlets-8-x-iec-60320-c13-1u-horizontal-rackmount-pdu



And a quick peek inside.

I ordered one  pdu  55 for that is good price.  looks like I can turn it on and off

[arielbit]

Anyways, I think focusing on the riserless mobos is better strategy moving forward. Save money on unreliable risers, better heat control and lessen OS compatibility issues.

I love the sound of eliminating risers if possible. Just the time saved troubleshooting the rig if it's acting up would be pretty valuable, even without the additional cost savings. I hope that somebody makes one with ample enough spacing to run a full 6-8 higher wattage GPUs, such as GTX 1080 Ti, Rx Vega etc.

i don't get what citronick is saying about "better heat control" but risers are imoprtant to make space between hot gpus, the closer they are together the hotter they get..

quality risers are good, most of my risers from late 2013 are still going strong.

The non-powered ribbon style risers do work nicely especially if they are well made. However, with newer GPUs requiring more power, the newer risers that have voltage control, better capacitors and 6-pin power (v6c/v7c?) is the gold standard for riser based rigs. Avoid the molex powered risers or any of the v1 to v5 risers.

Better heat control can be achieved more efficiently with riser less mobo builds, using in conjunction with powerful "Scythe" fans placed back and/or front of the cards depending on reference/blower GPU or otherwise.  If done properly, you could get 1080tis with paper thin spacing at beast mode and still attain acceptable temps.

Currently, I use a "vertical GPUs on S hook design" for the RX ETH farm and also using zip-ties for the newer builds on TB250s and H110s....

I will try and get some pictures to show my experiments in the warehouse..... but my group members is kind off anal about showing pictures of the farm.... but will take some discreet shots.

that cooling solution might be enough for the place/country you are mining but other countries/places that tend to be hotter than yours, that setup might not be good enough for them..

regarding "Scythe" fans or any solution like that....that's basically blowing the heat in tight spaces between gpus, heating the room and then exhausting the heat from the room to outside..that is... GPUs--->small fans---> room exhaust (3 step cooling)

for me it is better to make wide space between cards (no need for "Scythe" fans or any solution like that), the room heats up and then you exhaust the heat from the room, this way it is more simple and less energy/fans/effort used....that is.. GPUs-->room exhaust (2 step cooling)

that "small fans" solutions for me is just a remedy to certain areas/situations in my mining room where temps tend to become hotter (places where it is getting crowded and cards get uncomfortably hotter)...

i totally agree with your setup if risers are pain in the ass for you and the country/place you are mining is advantageously cool enough.

just think of it..you underclock/run a GPU in its most efficient power tune/bios mod to become power efficient overall and save power(hashes per watt)...and then you add a 6w fan as an additional power consumption.

[rs1x]

Sorry if this is a silly question I have some capital to invest in an asic , and access to cheap electricity near a dam. What should I be trying to get my hands on prices are all over the place. I'm willing to wait 1-2 months just want to make the right decision.

[QuintLeo]

i don't get what citronick is saying about "better heat control" but risers are imoprtant to make space between hot gpus, the closer they are together the hotter they get..

quality risers are good, most of my risers from late 2013 are still going strong.

Avoid the molex powered risers or any of the v1 to v5 risers.

 Why avoid Molex - the connectors can EASILY handle the needed 75 watts (the actual connectors are rated for about 150 watts IIRC) as long as the WIRING is beefy enough.

 Avoid SATA definitely, those connectors aren't rated for more than about 45 watts and WON'T handle the load.



 to rslx - if you're willing to wait, your best choice is to buy from the manufacturer(s) direct.

[QuintLeo]

I hope that somebody makes one with ample enough spacing to run a full 6-8 higher wattage GPUs, such as GTX 1080 Ti, Rx Vega etc.

Looks like your prayers were answered :

Colorful recently launched a 8 GPU motherboard, similar to the boards in the Pandaminer and clones.

 And it's "standard" 2 card spacing, NOT wider for good cooling.
 Note that the Pandaminer was designed around PASSIVE COOLED mobile-type GPU cards - one of the reasons it has so many case fans - and thus it can get away with closer spacing while still having good cooling.

[philipma1957]

Anyways, I think focusing on the riserless mobos is better strategy moving forward. Save money on unreliable risers, better heat control and lessen OS compatibility issues.

I love the sound of eliminating risers if possible. Just the time saved troubleshooting the rig if it's acting up would be pretty valuable, even without the additional cost savings. I hope that somebody makes one with ample enough spacing to run a full 6-8 higher wattage GPUs, such as GTX 1080 Ti, Rx Vega etc.

i don't get what citronick is saying about "better heat control" but risers are imoprtant to make space between hot gpus, the closer they are together the hotter they get..

quality risers are good, most of my risers from late 2013 are still going strong.

The non-powered ribbon style risers do work nicely especially if they are well made. However, with newer GPUs requiring more power, the newer risers that have voltage control, better capacitors and 6-pin power (v6c/v7c?) is the gold standard for riser based rigs. Avoid the molex powered risers or any of the v1 to v5 risers.

Better heat control can be achieved more efficiently with riser less mobo builds, using in conjunction with powerful "Scythe" fans placed back and/or front of the cards depending on reference/blower GPU or otherwise.  If done properly, you could get 1080tis with paper thin spacing at beast mode and still attain acceptable temps.

Currently, I use a "vertical GPUs on S hook design" for the RX ETH farm and also using zip-ties for the newer builds on TB250s and H110s....

I will try and get some pictures to show my experiments in the warehouse..... but my group members is kind off anal about showing pictures of the farm.... but will take some discreet shots.

_______________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________

that cooling solution might be enough for the place/country you are mining it but other countries/places that tend to be hotter than yours, that setup might not be good enough for them..

he lives in a tropical country with  high temps and high humidity.

_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________



regarding "Scythe" fans or any solution like that....that's basically blowing the heat in tight spaces between gpus, heating the room and then exhausting the heat from the room to outside..that is... GPUs--->small fans---> room exhaust (3 step cooling)

for me it is better to make wide space between cards (no need for "Scythe" fans or any solution like that), the room heats up and then you exhaust the heat from the room, this way it is more simple and less energy/fans/effort used....that is.. GPUs-->room exhaust (2 step cooling)

that "small fans" solutions for me is just a remedy to certain areas/situations in my mining room where temps tend to become hotter (places where it is getting crowded and cards get uncomfortably hotter)...

i totally agree with your setup if risers are pain in the ass for you and the country/place you are mining is advantageously cool enough.

just think of it..you underclock/run a GPU in its most efficient power tune/bios mod to become power efficient overall and save power(hashes per watt)...and then you add a 6w fan as an additional power consumption.

yeah 6 gpus  saving 15 watts each and spend 6 watts back net 84 watts.

Riser free vs lots of risers.

I am a riser free guy in principal   but I do use risers.

What I have found is  heavy clocks burn risers  and don't burn mobo's

I have burned more risers then mobos.

I am at the point all my gear is paid  and I have:

spare mobos.
Spare ram.
spare psus.
spare hdds
spare ssd
spare usb's

mostly because  I pushed in the 1080 ti mining  which removes  needs for slots and or risers.

3 card  1080 ti rigs riser free  =   7 or 8  card 1060 riser rigs.

[arielbit]

i don't get what citronick is saying about "better heat control" but risers are imoprtant to make space between hot gpus, the closer they are together the hotter they get..

quality risers are good, most of my risers from late 2013 are still going strong.

Avoid the molex powered risers or any of the v1 to v5 risers.

 Why avoid Molex - the connectors can EASILY handle the needed 75 watts (the actual connectors are rated for about 150 watts IIRC) as long as the WIRING is beefy enough.

 Avoid SATA definitely, those connectors aren't rated for more than about 45 watts and WON'T handle the load.



 to rslx - if you're willing to wait, your best choice is to buy from the manufacturer(s) direct.

the risers i'm running since 2013 are molex and some molex to sata adaptors are still fine, although i'm plugging molex to my risers directly (and preffered it that way) there are situations that i let it pass, when i run out of molex connection or when my molex wires didn't reach the area and sata wires can reach the place where i placed my riser/gpu.

[philipma1957]

I hope that somebody makes one with ample enough spacing to run a full 6-8 higher wattage GPUs, such as GTX 1080 Ti, Rx Vega etc.

Looks like your prayers were answered :

Colorful recently launched a 8 GPU motherboard, similar to the boards in the Pandaminer and clones.

 And it's "standard" 2 card spacing, NOT wider for good cooling.
 Note that the Pandaminer was designed around PASSIVE COOLED mobile-type GPU cards - one of the reasons it has so many case fans - and thus it can get away with closer spacing while still having good cooling.

panda miner should use  blower cards and more fans  plus it needs to be clocked lower.  I could have made  good panda miners  using

blower style  1070's  forced to use 100-120  watts  with  extra fans.

the large passive heatsink idea they used was not good.

but that is just an opinion on my part.

Oh tomorrow I will show part one of a sound deadening design for avalon 741's

[arielbit]

Anyways, I think focusing on the riserless mobos is better strategy moving forward. Save money on unreliable risers, better heat control and lessen OS compatibility issues.

I love the sound of eliminating risers if possible. Just the time saved troubleshooting the rig if it's acting up would be pretty valuable, even without the additional cost savings. I hope that somebody makes one with ample enough spacing to run a full 6-8 higher wattage GPUs, such as GTX 1080 Ti, Rx Vega etc.

i don't get what citronick is saying about "better heat control" but risers are imoprtant to make space between hot gpus, the closer they are together the hotter they get..

quality risers are good, most of my risers from late 2013 are still going strong.

The non-powered ribbon style risers do work nicely especially if they are well made. However, with newer GPUs requiring more power, the newer risers that have voltage control, better capacitors and 6-pin power (v6c/v7c?) is the gold standard for riser based rigs. Avoid the molex powered risers or any of the v1 to v5 risers.

Better heat control can be achieved more efficiently with riser less mobo builds, using in conjunction with powerful "Scythe" fans placed back and/or front of the cards depending on reference/blower GPU or otherwise.  If done properly, you could get 1080tis with paper thin spacing at beast mode and still attain acceptable temps.

Currently, I use a "vertical GPUs on S hook design" for the RX ETH farm and also using zip-ties for the newer builds on TB250s and H110s....

I will try and get some pictures to show my experiments in the warehouse..... but my group members is kind off anal about showing pictures of the farm.... but will take some discreet shots.

_______________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________

that cooling solution might be enough for the place/country you are mining it but other countries/places that tend to be hotter than yours, that setup might not be good enough for them..

he lives in a tropical country with  high temps and high humidity.

_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________



regarding "Scythe" fans or any solution like that....that's basically blowing the heat in tight spaces between gpus, heating the room and then exhausting the heat from the room to outside..that is... GPUs--->small fans---> room exhaust (3 step cooling)

for me it is better to make wide space between cards (no need for "Scythe" fans or any solution like that), the room heats up and then you exhaust the heat from the room, this way it is more simple and less energy/fans/effort used....that is.. GPUs-->room exhaust (2 step cooling)

that "small fans" solutions for me is just a remedy to certain areas/situations in my mining room where temps tend to become hotter (places where it is getting crowded and cards get uncomfortably hotter)...

i totally agree with your setup if risers are pain in the ass for you and the country/place you are mining is advantageously cool enough.

just think of it..you underclock/run a GPU in its most efficient power tune/bios mod to become power efficient overall and save power(hashes per watt)...and then you add a 6w fan as an additional power consumption.

yeah 6 gpus  saving 15 watts each and spend 6 watts back net 84 watts.

Riser free vs lots of risers.

I am a riser free guy in principal   but I do use risers.

What I have found is  heavy clocks burn risers  and don't burn mobo's

I have burned more risers then mobos.

I am at the point all my gear is paid  and I have:

spare mobos.
Spare ram.
spare psus.
spare hdds
spare ssd
spare usb's

mostly because  I pushed in the 1080 ti mining  which removes  needs for slots and or risers.

3 card  1080 ti rigs riser free  =   7 or 8  card 1060 riser rigs.

a single 6w fan cannot blow air in between 6 gpus, ideally you need 5, that's 6w x5 = 30w

usually what burns in risers (from my experience) are the molex to sata adaptors or when direct molex connections are loose

why not 7 or 8 card 1080 ti riser rigs?

i get it that you have spares and using them is reasonable but using riser, uses less power and space than using cpu/ram/processor/board/ssd-hdd-usb.

i got spares too, using them as combination of riser-free and riser GPUs.....but my main setup in my mining room is riser GPUs utilizing all pcie sockets.

[philipma1957]

Anyways, I think focusing on the riserless mobos is better strategy moving forward. Save money on unreliable risers, better heat control and lessen OS compatibility issues.

I love the sound of eliminating risers if possible. Just the time saved troubleshooting the rig if it's acting up would be pretty valuable, even without the additional cost savings. I hope that somebody makes one with ample enough spacing to run a full 6-8 higher wattage GPUs, such as GTX 1080 Ti, Rx Vega etc.

i don't get what citronick is saying about "better heat control" but risers are imoprtant to make space between hot gpus, the closer they are together the hotter they get..

quality risers are good, most of my risers from late 2013 are still going strong.

The non-powered ribbon style risers do work nicely especially if they are well made. However, with newer GPUs requiring more power, the newer risers that have voltage control, better capacitors and 6-pin power (v6c/v7c?) is the gold standard for riser based rigs. Avoid the molex powered risers or any of the v1 to v5 risers.

Better heat control can be achieved more efficiently with riser less mobo builds, using in conjunction with powerful "Scythe" fans placed back and/or front of the cards depending on reference/blower GPU or otherwise.  If done properly, you could get 1080tis with paper thin spacing at beast mode and still attain acceptable temps.

Currently, I use a "vertical GPUs on S hook design" for the RX ETH farm and also using zip-ties for the newer builds on TB250s and H110s....

I will try and get some pictures to show my experiments in the warehouse..... but my group members is kind off anal about showing pictures of the farm.... but will take some discreet shots.

_______________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________

that cooling solution might be enough for the place/country you are mining it but other countries/places that tend to be hotter than yours, that setup might not be good enough for them..

he lives in a tropical country with  high temps and high humidity.

_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________



regarding "Scythe" fans or any solution like that....that's basically blowing the heat in tight spaces between gpus, heating the room and then exhausting the heat from the room to outside..that is... GPUs--->small fans---> room exhaust (3 step cooling)

for me it is better to make wide space between cards (no need for "Scythe" fans or any solution like that), the room heats up and then you exhaust the heat from the room, this way it is more simple and less energy/fans/effort used....that is.. GPUs-->room exhaust (2 step cooling)

that "small fans" solutions for me is just a remedy to certain areas/situations in my mining room where temps tend to become hotter (places where it is getting crowded and cards get uncomfortably hotter)...

i totally agree with your setup if risers are pain in the ass for you and the country/place you are mining is advantageously cool enough.

just think of it..you underclock/run a GPU in its most efficient power tune/bios mod to become power efficient overall and save power(hashes per watt)...and then you add a 6w fan as an additional power consumption.

yeah 6 gpus  saving 15 watts each and spend 6 watts back net 84 watts.

Riser free vs lots of risers.

I am a riser free guy in principal   but I do use risers.

What I have found is  heavy clocks burn risers  and don't burn mobo's

I have burned more risers then mobos.

I am at the point all my gear is paid  and I have:

spare mobos.
Spare ram.
spare psus.
spare hdds
spare ssd
spare usb's

mostly because  I pushed in the 1080 ti mining  which removes  needs for slots and or risers.

3 card  1080 ti rigs riser free  =   7 or 8  card 1060 riser rigs.

a single 6w fan cannot blow air in between 6 gpus, ideally you need 5, that's 6w x5 = 30w

usually what burns in risers (from my experience) are the molex to sata adaptors or when direct molex connections are loose

why not 7 or 8 card 1080 ti riser rigs?

i get it that you have spares and using them is reasonable but using riser, uses less power and space than using cpu/ram/processor/board/ssd-hdd-usb.

i got spares too, using them as combination of riser-free and riser GPUs.....but my main setup in my mining room is riser GPUs utilizing all pcie sockets.

Well I do use risers but I have places to run pc's  for free power.
In my case  this means a 50-50 split of coins.
I have 3 office locations  with friends    that  have the following restrictions.

Gear must be quiet.
Gear must be in a case.
Gear must be about 1000 watts per location.

here is one setup  3 pc's  6 1080 ti's
fully paid for  .  and  the coins in the btc addy  are ½ his and ½ mine.

So  while 6-7 dollars a day sound small  my costs are zero.
My friends costs are zero.
and the coins grow.
that addy is a stand alone trezor.
and will just grow.

[TheYankeesWin!]

So the way I see it for you phil is that  2 and 3 card rigs that are  quiet and  high hashing rigs are what you look to build.

How many spots do you have doing this?

[philipma1957]

@ yankees I have 2 soon to be three.

I do hope that I can get the six  rig to push  enough air  at a quiet sound  stay under 1000 watts.

As I may  get more locations this winter.

With the smos  I can fix them  from my home.

I found a senior citizen development with  electric  heat.  I am trying to find a senior citizen or two to run a rig or two.  This fall as a space heater.

Since they use straight resistor style baseboard heat.  If I could get this project going  I could do well.

@ arielbit  I wil always have a few riser style  setups  but never go into them alone.

As riser rigs in the office locations  are a no go.  And riser gear in a seniors house is not happening.

[philipma1957]

For those who looking for something new to mine, check my signature.
There are one promising coin with not much attention at the moment.

I deleted it  not because I do not like it.

but  If there is no link to an exchange  I do not like  a new coin listed.

So if you give me an exchange link  I will promo it and mine.

I checked

polinex
bittrex
cryptoia

the VOT  symbol does not show

I don't like people  having to open a wallet to mine I get a lot of new people  and bad wallets can steal coins from other wallets

lastly  the coin does not show on

https://coinmarketcap.com/


and they list more then 800 coins


here is a link on bitcointalk

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2167614.0

[Marvell2]

Anyways, I think focusing on the riserless mobos is better strategy moving forward. Save money on unreliable risers, better heat control and lessen OS compatibility issues.

I love the sound of eliminating risers if possible. Just the time saved troubleshooting the rig if it's acting up would be pretty valuable, even without the additional cost savings. I hope that somebody makes one with ample enough spacing to run a full 6-8 higher wattage GPUs, such as GTX 1080 Ti, Rx Vega etc.

i don't get what citronick is saying about "better heat control" but risers are important to make space between hot gpus, the closer they are together the hotter they get..

quality risers are good, most of my risers from late 2013 are still going strong. and add to that my 775 motherboards circa 2006-2007 that are paired with these risers are still working...

look at that very long motherboard and look at the capacitors in between pcie slots, if only one of them gets cooked you're gonna get some headaches.

You must have risers fashioned by jesus himself Ive had risers go bad all over the place , pretty much given up dual mining due to exploding risers or pcie slots connected to risers, It wasnt so bad with hawaii cards never had much issues withrisera on my 390 a s 290x builds unless the risers were doa, but with polaris and even Pascal it seems they can draw excessive amounts of power from the pcie slots , like spike or something which usualy overload tbe pcie connector or the sata part and fuse them. 

Honestly I think it has something to do with the die shrink from 28 to 16 and the power distribution circuits being poor
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I ordered one  pdu  55 for that is good price.  looks like I can turn it on and off

I'm sure you will like it. Just tested one of the PDUs and it worked fine. Can manage and measure via telnet/ssh/snmp or built-in web server. Has DHCP enabled by default. Needed to reset to factory defaults to regain root access. http://www.baytech.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Reset-Modular-Horizontal.pdf

One other unit I opened randomly had its management board cable unplugged. No idea why.

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Question about the trezor.  How exactly does that thing work?  Like it doesn't download the entire blockchain does it?  Does it rely on some kind to web services from trezor or do I have to run the trezor wallet on my machine and that downloads the blockchain?