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September 03, 2017, 11:47:53 AM
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I think it's an exaggeration. We know the capitalist countries in which many poor people. For Example India. And we know that a socialist country like Sweden where there is poor. The number of poor in the country depend on the fairness of the distribution of monetary resources.
This line that you have mentioned. It is really indeed true that this would really be a great thing but having a fair distributions is nearly impossible on most countries which we would really able to see there are still poor on the place.As long there are people who dont really care on that equality.

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September 03, 2017, 01:58:49 PM
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Basically many modern societies are capitalist where we have the bourgeois (known as the employers) and the proletariats(known as the employees )- as postulated by Karl Marx.
In my view,  the point then is, it is poverty that has made more capitalist to emerge both individuals or country because of the struggle to survive as also opined by Herbert Spencer (survival of the fittest ). Poverty is in the land & people are trying their hands in different fields and daring new grounds and eventually emerging as new employer, you can name them even globally ranging from those who have made there mark in social media, comedy, arts & culture science & technology, health, hospitality industry etc.
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September 03, 2017, 02:25:12 PM
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This is a decent youtube clip emphasizing positive aspects of capitalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n6ivGgb9RY

More fuel for the discussion on capitalism fire.

The main point alleged here is: "world poverty has fallen by 80% since 1970".

They claim capitalism is the main driving force behind reduced levels of poverty over the past 5 or so decades, which in turn implies capitalism creates elevated living standards.


First of all Increase in GDP doesn't implies increase in Welfare.
No doubt Capitalism is fuel for the economy and make it productive. But may not give desired results due to following points -
1. Inflation - Even if capitalism raises national income, it always contribute to increasing prices and therefore worse the situation if inflation rate is more than growth rate.
2. Per Capita Income - However, we cannot stick to one measure if we have more contradictory measures like population. When population increase is more than growth than capitalism becomes irrelevant as poors lose.
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September 03, 2017, 03:04:43 PM
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I think it's an exaggeration. We know the capitalist countries in which many poor people. For Example India. And we know that a socialist country like Sweden where there is poor. The number of poor in the country depend on the fairness of the distribution of monetary resources.
This line that you have mentioned. It is really indeed true that this would really be a great thing but having a fair distributions is nearly impossible on most countries which we would really able to see there are still poor on the place.As long there are people who dont really care on that equality.
Actually, if you work hard everyday and never give up your job, you can get rich in someday.
Believe me, because our life never have bad treat poorly with those who are diligent, humble and not waste money.

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September 03, 2017, 03:21:19 PM
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There is one very key word that is missing from the thread title: "Regulated" Capitalism. It is the nature of a capitalist business to seek a monopoly as the most efficient means to keep it's profits flowing. Not only does it seek the monopoly, but it seeks to continue the monopoly and this means putting up barriers to competitors. This all leads to a bad end result for most consumers. That is why you need sensible market regulators, who contain the greedy while sharing the funds necessary for government.

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September 03, 2017, 03:43:44 PM
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It is just the same for every kind of rule.
It will always be the richest that is up there.
Why not give the poor a chance to be the capitalist. Maybe we will see how they are all better than those who have been rich since birth.
The thing is there will always be slavery in this world for any kind of government system.

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September 03, 2017, 04:12:25 PM
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Just as true communism has never existed, nor has true capitalism. If you took a proper look at how US defence companies are funded it's veering towards socialistic paternalism. Each one is funded to keep them all ticking along happily enough even when there are clearly superior and cheaper alternatives.

Truly unfettered capitalism would be just as corrosive as all the other failed systems.

So are you saying that true communism would actually work?  Huh Well yes and that's pretty much capitalism, each one needs a sponsor a donator to fund them in order to start things or keep them going for a cut of a profit. just like how first pc was made and distributed and even how Tesla had things going, he was given funds by a wealthy person. in this case, government is that wealthy person. There is no perfect system, there are just ones that work better.
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Just as true communism has never existed, nor has true capitalism. If you took a proper look at how US defence companies are funded it's veering towards socialistic paternalism. Each one is funded to keep them all ticking along happily enough even when there are clearly superior and cheaper alternatives.

Truly unfettered capitalism would be just as corrosive as all the other failed systems.

So are you saying that true communism would actually work?  Huh Well yes and that's pretty much capitalism, each one needs a sponsor a donator to fund them in order to start things or keep them going for a cut of a profit. just like how first pc was made and distributed and even how Tesla had things going, he was given funds by a wealthy person. in this case, government is that wealthy person. There is no perfect system, there are just ones that work better.

Communism can work in ideal world. But in place where each human has his or her owen incentives, it will never work. That is the problem.

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September 04, 2017, 08:58:54 AM
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Just as true communism has never existed, nor has true capitalism. If you took a proper look at how US defence companies are funded it's veering towards socialistic paternalism. Each one is funded to keep them all ticking along happily enough even when there are clearly superior and cheaper alternatives.

Truly unfettered capitalism would be just as corrosive as all the other failed systems.

So are you saying that true communism would actually work?  Huh Well yes and that's pretty much capitalism, each one needs a sponsor a donator to fund them in order to start things or keep them going for a cut of a profit. just like how first pc was made and distributed and even how Tesla had things going, he was given funds by a wealthy person. in this case, government is that wealthy person. There is no perfect system, there are just ones that work better.

Communism can work in ideal world. But in place where each human has his or her owen incentives, it will never work. That is the problem.
By your logic, unregulated capitalism (or "anarcho-capitalism") would not work.  Let me explain:

-In a society with no government, anyone could steal property because there is no significant body protecting the existence of it.
-Because of this, private firms would develop which help to protect people's homes
-The private firms are incentivised by profit, so the best security is for rich people

Therefore, rich people can protect their property while poor people cannot.  Because you claim that people act based on their incentives, that would mean that rich people would become oppressive and control poor people's homes, thus making the transition to "anarcho-capitalism" utterly pointless.

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September 04, 2017, 11:55:31 AM
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I think it's an exaggeration. We know the capitalist countries in which many poor people. For Example India. And we know that a socialist country like Sweden where there is poor. The number of poor in the country depend on the fairness of the distribution of monetary resources.
This line that you have mentioned. It is really indeed true that this would really be a great thing but having a fair distributions is nearly impossible on most countries which we would really able to see there are still poor on the place.As long there are people who dont really care on that equality.
Actually, if you work hard everyday and never give up your job, you can get rich in someday.
Believe me, because our life never have bad treat poorly with those who are diligent, humble and not waste money.

It would really depend on your hard work and possibilities of getting rich is really possible and as you said we should not really waste off money and be wise on how to spend it and invest at the same time.This is some way on which you would really taking your road into that state.Getting rich wont really be an easy thing and you would really still need to face lots of challenges or failures.

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September 04, 2017, 12:02:18 PM
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I hate poverty in the sense that it brings about bad conditions for people and that it makes them live a difficult life, but I also don't agree with capitalism. I have accepted the fact that in a society, there will always be a class system and that poverty cannot be 100% alleviated, especially if the rich prevails. I still continue to pity the poor and wish I could do something more for them. I've been active in public service and try to help in my capactity but this is simply how society works. I don't think everyone can ever be 100% equal.
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September 04, 2017, 10:28:49 PM
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This is a pure sophism since capitalism will always define the concepts of poverty or wealth according to its own consumerist and destructive parameters, so that the individuals who consume the most are usually considered the richest, and not those who live happily despite their austere habits.
Well you cannot call those parameters as consumerist and destructive. Capitalism is no doubt helping the people who cannot fulfill their daily needs. It is very unique concept. A concept which must be appreciated by all of us. It removes the difference between rich and poor in a way that everyone can enjoy their rights.

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September 07, 2017, 09:59:58 AM
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Just as true communism has never existed, nor has true capitalism. If you took a proper look at how US defence companies are funded it's veering towards socialistic paternalism. Each one is funded to keep them all ticking along happily enough even when there are clearly superior and cheaper alternatives.

Truly unfettered capitalism would be just as corrosive as all the other failed systems.

One observation that may be made of true capitalism, true socialism and similar "true" based systems. All might be defined in terms of being very centralized. True socialism is defined by a structure where power is centralized within a state or government. True capitalism is defined by a structure where power is centralized primarily within the private sector.

The most successful systems of socialism & capitalism may be defined in terms of being decentralized. Power being decentralized between government socialism and private sector capitalism. A decentralized balance rather than monolithic centralization.

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Just as true communism has never existed, nor has true capitalism. If you took a proper look at how US defence companies are funded it's veering towards socialistic paternalism. Each one is funded to keep them all ticking along happily enough even when there are clearly superior and cheaper alternatives.

Truly unfettered capitalism would be just as corrosive as all the other failed systems.

One observation that may be made of true capitalism, true socialism and similar "true" based systems. All might be defined in terms of being very centralized. True socialism is defined by a structure where power is centralized within a state or government. True capitalism is defined by a structure where power is centralized primarily within the private sector.

The most successful systems of socialism & capitalism may be defined in terms of being decentralized. Power being decentralized between government socialism and private sector capitalism. A decentralized balance rather than monolithic centralization.
Well your elaboration and concept clarification is nice and easy to understand. No doubt capitalism has worked very wisely and very positively for the betterment of the people who are not having another source and who are not able to serve their families, it has increased the income and it has raised the standard of the living and giving the sources of the income so for me it is the best step all the time.

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