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June 24, 2011, 07:52:10 AM
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Absolutely I completely agree. But lets say everyone worked for the government, then the power would be truly distributed. Smiley

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June 24, 2011, 07:56:55 AM
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Absolutely I completely agree. But lets say everyone worked for the government, then the power would be truly distributed. Smiley

...and nothing would ever get done.  Tongue Besides, there are many levels of hierarchy in government, no?
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June 24, 2011, 07:58:15 AM
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no. there should be the choice: pay or leave.
i don't like all them who says: i don't pay taxes, they are bad. only stupid people say that.
intelligent people accept the facts: either i follow the rules and get the benefits, or i keep totally to my self, not paying, and not getting any of the benefits.

Well, it isn't as easy if the service you provide is a basic human right. If someone is dying in his blood in the street, is it acceptable to let him dying because he didn't pay?

I don't think so. In most countries, this is not even legal to let someone die without trying to help him.

Thus, you cannot really leave such service.

What about services that are hurting everybody if you don't use them, like garbage collecting.

You decide you don't pay the tax and burry all your garbage in your garden. This is hurting the whole neighborhood. As such, you cannot really leave such service.

And last but not least: you are benefitting from some services like walking on roads. You cannot simply choose to not use any road.

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June 24, 2011, 08:04:19 AM
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Yea maybe things wouldn't get done, but no one ever thinks:

Well given that monopoly of force is the problem, and the government( insert entity name here) has the monopoly. Why don't we make the monopoly bigger? Why don't we include more people in the monopoly therefore the entity with the monopoly is more likely to represent the communities interest?

I never hear that.

And the hierarchy is going to be evident in any system. BTW I do agree with distribution of power. I think the Welfare and Emotional Functions should be used to show which hierarchies are best at fulfilling these requirements.

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June 24, 2011, 08:10:27 AM
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Well, it isn't as easy if the service you provide is a basic human right. If someone is dying in his blood in the street, is it acceptable to let him dying because he didn't pay?

I don't think so. In most countries, this is not even legal to let someone die without trying to help him.

Thus, you cannot really leave such service.

What about services that are hurting everybody if you don't use them, like garbage collecting.

You decide you don't pay the tax and burry all your garbage in your garden. This is hurting the whole neighborhood. As such, you cannot really leave such service.

And last but not least: you are benefitting from some services like walking on roads. You cannot simply choose to not use any road.

There are ways to solve these problems without requiring a coercive monopoly, but they require humanity growing up and maturing which may not happen.

http://mises.org/books/boundaries.pdf

Great book on the concept of property rights and how it affects social issues (all rights are property rights). My friends and I are reading it and discussing over dinner and beer during this month. Beer and ideas are a great combination.  Smiley
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